http://www.razerzone.com/razer-mechanic ... blackwidow
this looks pretty good for playing osu :p any feedback?
this looks pretty good for playing osu :p any feedback?
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new mechanical switches by razer (orange)
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It seems they have stopped using Cherry MX switches.
Razer Greens seem to be based on the Cherry MX Blues.
Razer Oranges seem to be based on the Cherry MX Browns.
Razer Greens seem to be based on the Cherry MX Blues.
Razer Oranges seem to be based on the Cherry MX Browns.
>60 millions keystrokes
Since it's razer, divide by 20 and it's probably closer from the truth.
Razer product, so it'll probably break/start malfunctioning after a few months of moderate use.
This. I would go for corsair, as i have a better personal experience with their keyboards. Razer uses a lot of plastic, and it makes it feel weak and mass produced.Luna wrote:
Razer product, so it'll probably break/start malfunctioning after a few months of moderate use.
The keyboard i have now(K90) feels like a proper keyboard. Its front plane is metal, and it just generally looks and feels like a good keyboard.
This is only my opinion, though.
If it wasn't Razer, I probably would've wanted to pick up a BlackWidow TE Stealth to give it a try. The idea of a gaming switch based off of my favorite typing switch is enticing, but it's not really enough for me to want to switch back to a brand that has given me bad experiences in the past.
Really interesting, anyone think it could be better then reds? Besides the fact that its razer and its probably going to break.
It bugs me how everyone is saying it'll break fast or shitty because it's Razer. Razer does have SOME good products, not everything is weak or garbage. My BlackWidow and DeathAdder were able to survive my rage quite well, and I'd say that my BlackWidow was built a bit better than the Quickfire Pro I have now. But I agree most of their products are pretty shitty and weak.
You are lucky then. I've had two Deathadders, and while I really like the size, weight and form, both of them broke within a year of use. I didn't even use them a lot or handle them with unnecessary force or anything. A friend had a Blackwidow and that one broke quickly as well, the wiring came loose and stuff.NixXSkate wrote:
My BlackWidow and DeathAdder were able to survive my rage quite well
Razer gear is good for as long as it lasts, but from personal experience I can say that that's generally not a long period of time.
How could the wiring come loose? It's a thick braided cable on a keyboard lolLuna wrote:
the wiring came loose and stuff.
I find it hard to believe that it would break from "casual use"
I would bang on the thing and it survived like 2 years until the switch in the spacebar broke. It was a 2$ fix though and I sold it to someone else. Not even any of its LEDs went out!
Edit: I do remember it was sensitive to my love juices though, if just a tiny bit got in, it would go haywire for a day. But after that it would always work fine. Maybe your friend gave it too much love?
I mean internal wiring, from the switches to the central board (whatever that thing is called in a keyboard)
whatNixXSkate wrote:
Edit: I do remember it was sensitive to my love juices though, if just a tiny bit got in, it would go haywire for a day. But after that it would always work fine. Maybe your friend gave it too much love?
Sounds appealing considering my keyboard already has four broken keys after just two months (a razer keyboard). Hopefully it would be an improvement, but considering all the negativity in regards to the durability of razer products, who knows.
I bought a Gen-1 Black Widow and it took years for just one key to stop functioning properly, and it was my K1 osu key. Everything else about it is working just as well as it did from the day that I got it. I have a gen-1 Death Adder that still works perfectly, even though the grip is obviously worn off after that many years. I guess everyone here has either really bad luck with theirs or plays football with them. I've had no issues other than my H key messing up, and I'm not even mad about that. Two straight years of osu after two years of gaming already before that...
Yeah must be everyone unlucky and not you being lucky.Thatgooey wrote:
I guess everyone here has either really bad luck with theirs or plays football with them.
sstonn
The new Razer switches could very well be Kailh (Chinese Cherry ripoffs) switches. See this album for more info: http://imgur.com/a/7ujle
Courtesy ripster55 from http://reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/
The switch shapes are very similar and Kailh stems ride just a bit higher than Cherry, similar to the new Razer switches. They also activate at around the same point, 1.9mm.
Courtesy ripster55 from http://reddit.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/
The switch shapes are very similar and Kailh stems ride just a bit higher than Cherry, similar to the new Razer switches. They also activate at around the same point, 1.9mm.
60 million keystrokes
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Play osu! on that thing and I bet it will explode into a hundred sharp pieces killing and destroying everything within a 5 meter radius
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... HAHAHAHAHAHA
Play osu! on that thing and I bet it will explode into a hundred sharp pieces killing and destroying everything within a 5 meter radius
Doesn't look safe at all.
my deathadder broke after 2 weeks of moderate use (just browsing forums and such, not even playing an mmo or anything) i shall never buy another razer product no matter how good they make something sound
on that note it's funny how exaggerated the descriptions of their products are
on that note it's funny how exaggerated the descriptions of their products are
my deathadder works fine after 1.5 years but the scroll wheel broke after a month or two of use. now when i try to scroll up it sometimes scrolls down. pretty neat other than that and the fact that it gets dirty so easily
how the heck does any mouse break after 2 weeksbewaredrev wrote:
my deathadder broke after 2 weeks of moderate use
I'm pretty sure if I threw my mouse against a wall every day it would be fine after 2 weeks
Anyways, aren't the new switches tactile? ew
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it is only on osu i hear bad stuff about razer, every single thing i bought from razer works just fine and doesnt break at all... even years after, my blackwidow being the latest one, bought it a year ago. if it would ever break as so many people are saying here i might buy this new version :p its hard to find the quickfire here in belgium (belgium azerty)
isnt a normal mechanical 50 million keystroke? nice try razerGoldenWolf wrote:
>60 millions keystrokes
Since it's razer, divide by 20 and it's probably closer from the truth.
Ahahaha, some truth in there, the keys are shattering.Full Tablet wrote:
Doesn't look safe at all.
its just the fact that razer has unstable quality control with most of their products. some people are lucky, others are notN3ON wrote:
it is only on osu i hear bad stuff about razer, every single thing i bought from razer works just fine and doesnt break at all... even years after, my blackwidow being the latest one, bought it a year ago. if it would ever break as so many people are saying here i might buy this new version :p its hard to find the quickfire here in belgium (belgium azerty)
also the blackwidow ultimate is fkn $229 AUD, may as well get a corsair rgb for the same price
You guys must be raping your hardware or something... I have a rubberdome keyboard and I've been using it for 10 years now, works perfectly fine. 10 years... that must be older than some osu players!
Hmm, it's either I get these, or buy some Cherry MX Browns...
I don't see what could be wrong with razer products (other than being overpriced), all my friends who have bought razer products have had them last for as long as they've bought them, which has been like 2-3ish years. Even my own Black Widow is still functioning properly without any keys being broken...EVEN THE PAINT IS STILL LIKE IT WAS WHEN I BOUGHT IT! ...maybe I was lucky...and so were my friends...
I don't see what could be wrong with razer products (other than being overpriced), all my friends who have bought razer products have had them last for as long as they've bought them, which has been like 2-3ish years. Even my own Black Widow is still functioning properly without any keys being broken...EVEN THE PAINT IS STILL LIKE IT WAS WHEN I BOUGHT IT! ...maybe I was lucky...and so were my friends...
Well, I have an old office keyboard from 1995 that still works fine (keys got pretty stiff, but that's to be expected) and I certainly handled that one less carefully than my Razer gear, which broke within months of casual use. So yes, I'd say it's Razer's fault and not mine.
I think we're going off about the quality of razer a bit too much here...
Based on experience, (I use a black widow ultimate and a CM storm quickfire pro), I find tactile bumps to be completely useless in playing osu!
When I bought my quickfire pro with red switches, it was pretty hard to type on at first due to the low actuation force, but after getting used to it and playing many rounds of osu! with it, I find that I just can't recommend someone to use a tactile switch instead.
So yea, I'd say just go for a linear switch if you're getting it for osu!
Based on experience, (I use a black widow ultimate and a CM storm quickfire pro), I find tactile bumps to be completely useless in playing osu!
When I bought my quickfire pro with red switches, it was pretty hard to type on at first due to the low actuation force, but after getting used to it and playing many rounds of osu! with it, I find that I just can't recommend someone to use a tactile switch instead.
So yea, I'd say just go for a linear switch if you're getting it for osu!
But what about that feedback? Some people find the clicking to be helpful, i for one really like blues because of that. I've never used any other type, so i can't really compare my experience. I was wondering about how the feed back was for reds?-Ephemeral- wrote:
Based on experience, (I use a black widow ultimate and a CM storm quickfire pro), I find tactile bumps to be completely useless in playing osu!
No feedback on reds. When I switched to the browns I found the bump to be incredible. I always mashed down on my reds because there was no feedback and I never knew how far down to press, but with the browns I can stream with a lot more control now because I am not just smashing my keys.Syden wrote:
But what about that feedback? Some people find the clicking to be helpful, i for one really like blues because of that. I've never used any other type, so i can't really compare my experience. I was wondering about how the feed back was for reds?-Ephemeral- wrote:
Based on experience, (I use a black widow ultimate and a CM storm quickfire pro), I find tactile bumps to be completely useless in playing osu!
I also found O-rings useful because when I put 2 40A-R orings on my keys I was able to reduce a lot of that deadzone on the keys so that I could bottom out without worrying too much.
How much speed would you say was sacrificed in turn for that? It sounds even more appealing to me, considering that i came from logitech g510 which has those plastic bump things. Orings is another thing on my priority list, considering i broke my z&x key from mashing. Would you say 2 40A-R orings would be enough for my keys aswell? I mash pretty hard, and i don't think i would mind reduced distance.Mathsma wrote:
No feedback on reds. When I switched to the browns I found the bump to be incredible. I always mashed down on my reds because there was no feedback and I never knew how far down to press, but with the browns I can stream with a lot more control now because I am not just smashing my keys.
I also found O-rings useful because when I put 2 40A-R orings on my keys I was able to reduce a lot of that deadzone on the keys so that I could bottom out without worrying too much.
The browns have the same resistance that the reds have, but they just have that bump that might reduce stamina if anything but I don't think it actually does. I didn't lose any speed when I switched to browns. Also, two o-rings would be fine. The o-rings do make the key feel a bit different though, but overall I like the new feel and the reduced dead zone that the keys have because of them.Syden wrote:
How much speed would you say was sacrificed in turn for that? It sounds even more appealing to me, considering that i came from logitech g510 which has those plastic bump things. Orings is another thing on my priority list, considering i broke my z&x key from mashing. Would you say 2 40A-R orings would be enough for my keys aswell? I mash pretty hard, and i don't think i would mind reduced distance.
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>60 millions keystrokes
Since it's razer, divide by 20 and it's probably closer from the truth.
Better get it guys, it has "Optimized tactile feel". Obviously not some buzzword for pro gamurzzz to buy into.
The orange seems like a hybrid between a red and blue which could prove to be a really good keyboard if you don't know why you want a mechanical keyboard also I highly doubt that this keyboard will be silent, mechanical switches are loud I don't see why this will be any different. Also why is the average life span 50million on one table and 20million on the other, typo or made up numbers?
Overall this just seems like a huge marketing ploy by razer and it saddens me that it's probably going to work. Personally I bought my CM Storm Quickfire TK for gaming, it was marketed as a gaming keyboard and the switches were ideal for use in a game, i first heard of the keyboard watching people play a game and was recommended it by gamers. To me this sounds like red switches may aswell have been designed for gaming because that's mostly what they're used for. Just seems like another "for gamers by gamers" gimmick.
Overall this just seems like a huge marketing ploy by razer and it saddens me that it's probably going to work. Personally I bought my CM Storm Quickfire TK for gaming, it was marketed as a gaming keyboard and the switches were ideal for use in a game, i first heard of the keyboard watching people play a game and was recommended it by gamers. To me this sounds like red switches may aswell have been designed for gaming because that's mostly what they're used for. Just seems like another "for gamers by gamers" gimmick.
sstonn
The table refers to the new Razer switches having a 60 million keystroke lifespan while "standard mechanical switches" have only a lifespan of 20 million keystrokes. This is also entirely untrue, as all Cherry keyswitches have a lifespan of 50 million. Only the old MX blue switches had a lifespan of 20 million while Topre are rated at 30 million and ALPS at 10-15 million.milky228 wrote:
The orange seems like a hybrid between a red and blue which could prove to be a really good keyboard if you don't know why you want a mechanical keyboard also I highly doubt that this keyboard will be silent, mechanical switches are loud I don't see why this will be any different. Also why is the average life span 50million on one table and 20million on the other, typo or made up numbers?
Overall this just seems like a huge marketing ploy by razer and it saddens me that it's probably going to work. Personally I bought my CM Storm Quickfire TK for gaming, it was marketed as a gaming keyboard and the switches were ideal for use in a game, i first heard of the keyboard watching people play a game and was recommended it by gamers. To me this sounds like red switches may aswell have been designed for gaming because that's mostly what they're used for. Just seems like another "for gamers by gamers" gimmick.
well I guess I'm just unlucky? I've had products not work straight out of the box before. I suppose I'm used to it nowRewben2 wrote:
how the heck does any mouse break after 2 weeks
I'm pretty sure if I threw my mouse against a wall every day it would be fine after 2 weeks
Anyways, aren't the new switches tactile? ew
why are normal ones called cherry?
I think that is the corporation that makes them.sarasseo wrote:
why are normal ones called cherry?
sstonn
aka cherry brownsmilky228 wrote:
The orange seems like a hybrid between a red and blue which could prove to be a really good keyboard if you don't know why you want a mechanical keyboard also I highly doubt that this keyboard will be silent, mechanical switches are loud I don't see why this will be any different. Also why is the average life span 50million on one table and 20million on the other, typo or made up numbers?.
mechanical keyboards, silent?!? pshh..
20 million keystroke lifespan were the norm for old cherry blues/browns (the tactile switches), don't know what actually happened but now there are companies selling cherry blue/brown keyboards @ 50 million key lifespan (such as my cm storm quickfire tk brownzz)
probably just razer trying to look more professional xXx_420_JVlLgZz_/V0$c0p3Zz_|3re|-|!!1_xXx
waiting for someone to actually prove that this 0.3mm actuation point difference improves gaming performance by 9000 million fucktons
Topic Starter
man all this hate against razer 
its allround the best gaming keyboard there is, lighten up, and what the hell do some people do with there stuff? trow it against a wall repeatedly?
its allround the best gaming keyboard there is, lighten up, and what the hell do some people do with there stuff? trow it against a wall repeatedly?
Now now, I don't hate BlackWidows but the BlackWidow is definitely not the best gaming keyboard... lolN3ON wrote:
man all this hate against razer
its allround the best gaming keyboard there is, lighten up, and what the hell do some people do with there stuff? trow it against a wall repeatedly?
There's the Corsair K95, Ducky Shine 3, Logitech G710+, etc. Quickfire keyboards are pretty overrated though.
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well what i meant that, people find it the best keyboard allround, yes there are 200+ euro keyboards but are they really worth it?
lately i saw a poll wich was the best keyboard u think and blackwidow had double the votes then the 2nd. so lets say its the most popular
lately i saw a poll wich was the best keyboard u think and blackwidow had double the votes then the 2nd. so lets say its the most popular
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^exactly thisNotCookie wrote:
It's a Razer product, of course it's going to win a popularity contest. Fact remains that the quality and performance is terrible on blackwidows, RELATIVE TO OTHER MECHANICAL BOARDS. If you've never tried a good board, of course you'll think a blackwidow is good.
popularity =/= quality, the BW has a terrible quality and keys break faster than I can hit them, don't ever buy it it's not worth the price
same goes for every razer product, not worth their price even if they're actually good because it breaks before you can even use it
Tell that to my Mamba, been using it for over 10hs every day for the last 5~ years and it's still working perfectly.