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Asherz007

Ilham wrote:

qqqant wrote:

00:22:358 (22358|0) - to 00:30:142 (30142|2) - should be in 3/4 ? the accented beats are every third beat
oh that's true, don't even notice it ._.


*notes for qual check that I add red line on 00:22:358 (22358|0) - to 00:30:142 (30142|2) -
Timing changes need a rebubble anyway, so update and I'll take another quick look through, saves the hassle then.
Asherz007
rebub

small irc to resnap everything because osu
2017-12-05 00:41 Ilham: updated then ._.
2017-12-05 00:58 Asherz007: psst
2017-12-05 00:58 Asherz007: you need to resnap everything
2017-12-05 01:01 Ilham: whoops
2017-12-05 01:18 Ilham: huaa done, hope I dont miss some stuff
2017-12-05 01:18 Asherz007: 00:05:270 (5270|0) - lol 1/16
2017-12-05 01:19 Ilham: 1/6 right?
2017-12-05 01:20 Asherz007: 00:08:351 (8351|2,8838|2) - and these
2017-12-05 01:20 Asherz007: yeah should be
2017-12-05 01:20 Ilham: I use 1/16 snap to resnap uwu
2017-12-05 01:20 Ilham: oh that stuff okay fixed
2017-12-05 01:21 Asherz007: 00:36:851 (36851|1,36891|2) -
2017-12-05 01:21 Asherz007: 00:42:040 (42040|0,42081|1) -
2017-12-05 01:21 Asherz007: 00:43:114 (43114|3,43114|2) - LN ends?
2017-12-05 01:21 Asherz007: 00:47:229 (47229|2,47270|1) -
2017-12-05 01:21 Ilham: yup
2017-12-05 01:22 Ilham: I think the issues are the 1/6 stuff -,-
2017-12-05 01:22 Asherz007: yeah p much
2017-12-05 01:34 Ilham: and yeay, is it ready?
2017-12-05 01:34 Asherz007: Just need to do a quick check through on those snaps
2017-12-05 01:34 Ilham: updated btw
2017-12-05 01:35 Asherz007: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296167 enzo + O2i3 - Mentanpindoradora [ilhm + Sydw's Vermilion Lv.13]]
2017-12-05 01:35 Asherz007: 00:16:034 (16034|3,16095|2,16135|0) -
2017-12-05 01:35 Asherz007: 00:21:223 (21223|1,21284|0,21324|2) -
2017-12-05 01:37 Ilham: okiiii
2017-12-05 01:38 Asherz007: 01:35:060 (95060|0,95060|3) - these used to be 1/12 shorter, which stopped at 01:35:141 - (because SV)
2017-12-05 01:39 Ilham: oh yes
2017-12-05 01:40 Asherz007: kiai aren't snapped in Lv9
2017-12-05 01:41 Asherz007: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1296166 enzo + O2i3 - Mentanpindoradora [Orange Lv.9]]
2017-12-05 01:41 Ilham: fixed
2017-12-05 01:41 Asherz007: 01:35:060 (95060|2) - same length issue?
2017-12-05 01:43 Ilham: 1/12 shorter?
2017-12-05 01:43 Asherz007: Think so
2017-12-05 01:43 Ilham: yup
2017-12-05 01:45 Asherz007: think that should be everything
2017-12-05 01:46 Ilham: submitted yay
2017-12-05 01:47 Asherz007: Can't believe I didn't point that out lol
Topic Starter
Ilham
and I dunno what is probation BN

edit: popped, I dunno but 01:35:358 (95358|2) - should be on 1/12 for a better feels
Maxus
Sorry telat, ceknya

[Insane]
00:04:520 (4520|1,4683|1,4845|0) - Bikin jadi 1-1-2 ja biar simetris bentuk jackny

00:16:683 - 00:16:845 - trlalu ringan rasanya drumnya single note, mending jadi double note.

00:31:601 (31601|2,31601|3,31763|1,31763|0) - Bikin Ctrl+H karena suara 00:31:439 - dan 00:31:601 - sama-sama whistle.

00:36:628 (36628|3) - Pindah ke col 2 biar 00:36:141 (36141|3,36304|3,36628|3,36790|3,36952|3,37114|3) - ga terlalu banyak

00:41:817 (41817|3) - ke col 2 biar lbih balance, mirip dengan sebelumnya

00:44:655 - ini agak noticeable missing soundnya, add note?

00:47:655 - Patternnya kerasa awkward karena LN nya tiba2 miring begini, http://puu.sh/z71M4/0963fa5538.png

00:54:466 - Strukturnya agk inkonsisten imo, pattern ini mirror ama 00:54:952 - , terus pattern di 00:57:060 - 00:57:547 - dibuat sama persis, lalu 01:02:250 - dan 01:02:736 - patternnya berbeda. poin wa, di setiap section, coba dibuat konsisten konsepnya untuk setiap suara yang sama, biar strukturnya dapet.

01:18:141 - klo bagian ini dijack, yang 01:20:736 - juga harusnya ada jacknya klo menurut struktur disana

01:23:006 - tambah 1 LN lagi disini karena suaranya makin keras, sama kyk konsep yang kamu bikin di 01:12:790 -

01:34:196 (94196|3) - pindah ke col 2 biar stack di 01:33:060 (93060|3,93223|3,93385|3,93709|3,93871|3,94033|3,94196|3) - ga gitu padat

01:35:358 (95358|3,95358|0,95358|2) - entah knp wa rasa snapnya di 01:35:331 - , mungkin mau dikonfirmasi lagi, tapi awkward ja kalo dah ad SV, tapi snapny di tempat yang ambigu.

01:36:547 - add note sama kyk 00:44:655 -

[Hard]
00:04:196 (4196|3,4358|2,4520|3,4845|2,5007|3,5331|2,5331|3) - wa ga yakin disengaja/ga, tapi kenapa unbalance disini.. mending kyk http://puu.sh/za7Zl/44f53c0fef.png

00:17:007 - kerasa agk ambigu imo, coba kyk http://puu.sh/zaamL/9aea4dd3dc.png , nahh, ini jg skalian bikin patternnya simetris ama 00:20:250 -

00:21:710 (21710|0,22682|0,23330|0) - ini kalo distack smua jadi rada aneh karena part music di 00:26:574 - ga ad yang distack sama sekali, pindah 00:22:682 (22682|0) - ke col 2 ja, lebih ngeflow jg

00:35:655 (35655|2,35655|1) - Ctrl+H ini ja biar efek pitchny lebih kerasa bedanya ama 00:35:006 -

00:44:087 - kenapa cuma part ini yang ga distack 3 LN, bandingin ama 00:33:871 (33871|3,34196|3,34520|3) - 00:39:060 (39060|2,39385|2,39709|2) - ama 00:49:439 (49439|0,49763|0,50087|0) -

00:43:114 - http://puu.sh/zab1E/8864caf8f5.jpg snap conflict antara diff hard ama insane, hard 1/8 sedangkan hard 1/6.

00:50:574 - 00:50:736 - agak aneh disini LNmu tiba2 menghilang padahal masih ad 1/2 disana..

01:34:844 (94844|0) - ini harusnya 1/4 LN kalo 01:34:925 - 1/4 LN.

01:35:385 - sama kyk insane diff.

[Normal]
00:01:602 - Wa biasa ga bakal hiraukan ini. tapi akhir2 ini bn lain suka ribut kalo urusan gap antara normal ama hard diff walaupun ini sebenarnya gapapa buat wa, menurut wa ente mending nanya ja ini boleh / ga gapnya. (mksdnya dari LN ke 1/2 pattern)

00:19:439 (19439|3,19601|2,20088|3,20250|2) - kalo disamain kurang masuk pitchnya disini karena beda-beda nadanya, rekomendasi ane, mending buat 00:20:088 (20088|3,20250|2,20412|0) - jadi 3-1-4.

00:31:925 - ini ane bs bayangin bnyk yang bakal ngadu karena dari LN ke jumpstream, coba dah kalo yang gap-gap kyk bgini, kamu coba bikin jadi 1/2 pattern biar progresinya 1/2 > 1/4 dan klo 1/1 > 1/2 tiap kali. wa bilang sekali ini ja, wa asumsi ente dah tau dimana aja yang perlu dideketin gapnya.

00:46:033 (46033|2,46358|2,46844|2) - flow ini agak kurang natural waktu dimaeninnya, coba bikin 00:46:358 (46358|2,46682|0,46844|2) - jadi 1-3-1.

01:30:141 (90141|0,90304|2) - bikin jadi 3-4 biar lebih balance tangan kirinya.

01:35:358 - sama lagi.

untuk beberapa snap, coba tanya QAT ja kalo mw yakin.
terus, snap conflictny coba diliat lagi beberapa yang kagak diintended (kyk hard diff 1/8 tp insane diff malah 1/6)
ama gap issues wa ga yakin juga, klo ga dibikin lebih friendly mngkin bakal ada yang komplen dari pengalaman wa.
klo udah diadress semua, call me back.
Topic Starter
Ilham
asasddasgdafhgfgh I lost my mod reply sorry..

kebanyakan semua w apply dan untuk snap issues itu yang bener diff insane, karena w abis nambah timing merah dan resnap ke 1/16, nice notice mz
Maxus
ok dah, ane rasa snapnya dh bner
yang simplify dr 1/8 ke 1/6 di hard diff juga gapapa harusny, dlu qat pada bilang boleh
good luck
Shurelia
Ilham
Topic Starter
Ilham
emm, actually i'm not sure whether people read it right or not, the collab diffname, but yea gonna change the name maybe
Maxus
If want to change it, make sure sydw > syadow too. otherwise, it will be inconsistent.
Syadow-
Kalo kataku itu diff name nya mengacu ke artisnya
Jadi enzo + o2i3 itu masing2 ada 4 huruf dan nama diffnya di singkat jd 4 huruf biar kliatan keren (ini subjektif)
Btw mas dikon balik o/
Topic Starter
Ilham
awalnya w mikir gitu sih, cuma jadi kerasa weird wkwk mungkin ngikutin caps sama engga nya doang aja kali ya, ham + Sya's Vermilion
Asherz007
I'm back again weeeeeee

Dunno what anyone's been saying lol xD

so uh if you want to change that diff name I guess now's the time to do it.

minor stuffs then (if you want to contact a qat about the snapping before I set another icon you're more than welcome to do so. Dunno whether you have yet.)

1|2|3|4 (not that I need this tbh)

Lv.4
  1. 00:32:412 (32412|0,32412|1) - So I forget why this is a double lol (besides it's the only one in the diff that has the "pon" hitsound and is a double so I dunno whether this is a consistency error or something.
  2. 01:35:060 (95060|1) - Gonna challenge this LN (again?) since most of it is basically over silence.
  3. 01:35:331 (95331|3) - +soft-hitfinish pls
Lv.9
  1. 01:21:871 (81871|2,81952|1) - should both be doubles, right? (cus 01:16:682 and 01:19:277)
  2. 01:35:331 (95331|3) - +soft-hitfinish thx
Lv.13
  1. 00:05:169 (5169|0,5277|1,5331|2,5331|3,5493|0,5656|1,5818|3,5980|1,6466|1,6629|3) - What happened to the two-note stack thing you had going... maybe it's just a little weird to break the pattern here of all places but I'm not going to force the change since it works either way lol
  2. 00:17:493 (17493|3) - shorten by 1/2 since you're following the tune with it and 00:17:818 (17818|2,17899|1) so like doesn't need to be there... unless there's something I'm not seeing/have forgotten about
  3. 00:43:277 - Going to get you to change a couple of things SV related here since I'm not really liking the fact that the SV here isn't snapped to the end of the note, so it just looks weird (dunno how I didn't spot this earlier tbh)
    1. 00:43:277 - move SV line back to 00:43:223
    2. 00:43:358 - Change value to 1.75x
    3. 00:43:601 and 00:43:763 - would perhaps remove these two and change 00:43:439 to be 1x to match 01:35:331... or the other way I guess. But make these two consistent, at the very least.

So yeah I still have no idea what exactly changed but it still looks fine for the most part lol

Keep me posted with what happens
Syadow-
  • little mod for Lv. 13 since i'm too lazy to apply
  1. 00:37:682 - really kinda hard to hit the note n different soundwith 00:48:060 - ._. how about change the SV like this
  2. 00:37:601 - 1,6x
  3. 00:37:682 - 0,8x
  4. 00:37:925 - 1x
  5. 01:29:574 - same as above
Topic Starter
Ilham

Asherz007 wrote:

I'm back again weeeeeee

Dunno what anyone's been saying lol xD

so uh if you want to change that diff name I guess now's the time to do it.

minor stuffs then (if you want to contact a qat about the snapping before I set another icon you're more than welcome to do so. Dunno whether you have yet.) // the snapping is okay I guess .-.

1|2|3|4 (not that I need this tbh)

Lv.4
  1. 00:32:412 (32412|0,32412|1) - So I forget why this is a double lol (besides it's the only one in the diff that has the "pon" hitsound and is a double so I dunno whether this is a consistency error or something. oh yes the pon is single here
  2. 01:35:060 (95060|1) - Gonna challenge this LN (again?) since most of it is basically over silence. // change to note
  3. 01:35:331 (95331|3) - +soft-hitfinish pls // k
Lv.9
  1. 01:21:871 (81871|2,81952|1) - should both be doubles, right? (cus 01:16:682 and 01:19:277) // whoops, when you mention about this, I realize that lv 13 has lower density in this section with 1-1-2, while here 2-2-2, remap lv 13 with 2-2-2 (?)
  2. 01:35:331 (95331|3) - +soft-hitfinish thx // yea
Lv.13
  1. 00:05:169 (5169|0,5277|1,5331|2,5331|3,5493|0,5656|1,5818|3,5980|1,6466|1,6629|3) - What happened to the two-note stack thing you had going... maybe it's just a little weird to break the pattern here of all places but I'm not going to force the change since it works either way lol // o..ok
  2. 00:17:493 (17493|3) - shorten by 1/2 since you're following the tune with it and 00:17:818 (17818|2,17899|1) so like doesn't need to be there... unless there's something I'm not seeing/have forgotten about // shortened
  3. 00:43:277 - Going to get you to change a couple of things SV related here since I'm not really liking the fact that the SV here isn't snapped to the end of the note, so it just looks weird (dunno how I didn't spot this earlier tbh) // fixed all
    1. 00:43:277 - move SV line back to 00:43:223
    2. 00:43:358 - Change value to 1.75x
    3. 00:43:601 and 00:43:763 - would perhaps remove these two and change 00:43:439 to be 1x to match 01:35:331... or the other way I guess. But make these two consistent, at the very least.

So yeah I still have no idea what exactly changed but it still looks fine for the most part lol

Keep me posted with what happens

Syadow- wrote:

  • little mod for Lv. 13 since i'm too lazy to apply
  1. 00:37:682 - really kinda hard to hit the note n different soundwith 00:48:060 - ._. how about change the SV like this
  2. 00:37:601 - 1,6x
  3. 00:37:682 - 0,8x
  4. 00:37:925 - 1x
  5. 01:29:574 - same as above
^ using this

updated!
Asherz007
Response to question in mod response: changes are fine. If you wanted too, you could have 2-1-2 or 1-1-2 for Lv.9 and keep the 2-2-2 for Lv.13.

Lv.13
00:48:060 and 01:39:952 - keeping as is or swapping to sya's suggestion as well?
01:29:573 - what (nice pointless green line ya got there)
Topic Starter
Ilham

Asherz007 wrote:

Response to question in mod response: changes are fine. If you wanted too, you could have 2-1-2 or 1-1-2 for Lv.9 and keep the 2-2-2 for Lv.13. // 2-1-2 is meta on moba

Lv.13
00:48:060 and 01:39:952 - keeping as is or swapping to sya's suggestion as well? // gonna keep that way since it has different pattern
01:29:573 - what (nice pointless green line ya got there) // omg, what is this lol
updated!
Asherz007
*pon pon*

I am qat now and I think the snapping is fine xd
Surono
rank my map thannkss
Garalulu

Asherz007 wrote:

*pon pon*

I am qat now and I think the snapping is fine xd
s h o t
Topic Starter
Ilham

Asherz007 wrote:

*pon pon*

I am qat now and I think the snapping is fine xd
wkwk, thank you and dont dq this please kthx.
Rivals_7
https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/museca/com ... tml?page=4



isnt the Title should be メンタンピンドラドラ ?
The romanised is correct though
Topic Starter
Ilham
if it needs to be done then that's what we gotta do
Asherz007

Ilham wrote:

if it needs to be done then that's what we gotta do
Topic Starter
Ilham
00:38:087 (38087|1,38169|2,38250|1,38331|2) - rearrange a bit maboi
Asherz007
Okay, I'd better update you as to what's going on and as to why I haven't set an icon yet.

Had a little discussion with the metadata team, they seem to agree (I think) that as it stands the metadata is all correct, so that's fine.

My remaining issue which has surfaced since is to do with the hitsounds. If you're not aware, a lot of mania maps in qualified have been reported for inaudible hitsounds, as we're now trying to re-enforce this rule (in the ranking criteria) which has been neglected by the mania BNG/QAT for quite a while.

I'm not really wanting to have this map suffer the same fate as many of the other maps that were qualified, so I'm going to strongly urge you to increase the volume of hitsounds so that they can be heard over the original audio (as that is what the hitsounds are supposed to do), as I'm a little concerned, particularly during the kiai, where the hitnormal is hardly audible.

While you're figuring out what exactly you need to do (something along the lines of increasing hitsound volume), prot and I will try and figure out exactly where the thresholds are, amongst the many other things we need to do.

Keep me posted on what you're going to do, and my apologies for the slight delay.

(Also that minor change you did is also fine by me.)
Topic Starter
Ilham
ayey sir, wew mania maps on qualified section are gone ._.
Lirai
Adding another unrankable issues that must be fixed below:
Hitsound files missing:
soft-hitclap2.wav
soft-hitfinish2.wav
hat2.wav

Since some of the files missing, but you still used as Storyboarded Hitsound, here's one of example
00:23:006 - 0:23:7 soft-hitclap2.wav@70%
even though it's late 1 ms as you can see at your osu file code here which is placed at 00:23:007 instead 00:23:006
Sample,23007,0,"soft-hitclap2.wav",70

That hs was used through all difficulty

and that's another main problem at timing points which is caused those SB hitsound didn't snap
00:30:142 - You putted the Timing point (red line) here right? if you move your mapping line with the keyboard it should be at point 00:30:141 instead so the next pattern could be 1ms ealier than the first part.
You did snapped right the previous red line at point 00:22:358 following the previous red line.

Since you have time to fix this, i guess it could be worth. Good luck!
Topic Starter
Ilham
oh I use no red timing diff as source to copy the hitsound, my bad

edit: fixed, all the blame to syadow for missing hs.
Syadow-

Ilham wrote:

edit: fixed, all the blame to syadow for missing hs.
hehehe updated
Topic Starter
Ilham
is multi BG still allowed? I want to use multi BG ;w;
AchsanLovers
its still allowed, dont worry.

nah gitu dong ditukar BGnya akwkaw
Topic Starter
Ilham

AchsanLovers wrote:

nah gitu dong ditukar BGnya akwkaw
apasi tod, terbengkalai ni map gw
Shima Rin
I have a few concerns and suggestions before pushing this to rank again.

[General]
  1. hat.wav and soft-hitnormal.wav are barely audible. As to this, I have increased both hitsound volumes +15dB for you. Besides, raising the overall hitsound volumes in each diff to 40% or 50% would be better.
  2. BG quality is very low, I used waifu2x to update your BG quality then. If you want you can save this website for later use: http://waifu2x.udp.jp/
For the hitsound files and updated BGs download the zip file below and unzip to your song folder to replace the old ones.
Click here
Shima Rin
Adjusted hitsound volume to kiai 50% non-kiai 25%. Let's get this back~ Rebubbled!
Topic Starter
Ilham
thankyou tofood1222
Maxus
[lv13]
00:22:176 (22176|3,22237|2,22297|1) - kenapa snapnya pada pake 1/16? sbenernya boleh kok disimplifikasi jadi 1/8 klo bentuknya rumit begini

[Lv9]
01:44:574 - knp notenya double, tapi di lv 13 malah single?

[Lv4]
00:54:466 - 00:54:952 - 00:57:060 - 00:57:547 - 01:02:250 - 01:02:736 - masing2 poin ini coba add note dah biar spreadny lebih deket ama diff hard nya.
Topic Starter
Ilham

Maxus wrote:

[lv13]
00:22:176 (22176|3,22237|2,22297|1) - kenapa snapnya pada pake 1/16? sbenernya boleh kok disimplifikasi jadi 1/8 klo bentuknya rumit begini // emm disini gw bingung sih kalo 1/8 itu kek kecepetan, w playback 25% vol 0$ sih suaranya di 3/16, mungkin ganti pattern? (kalo rumit)

[Lv9]
01:44:574 - knp notenya double, tapi di lv 13 malah single? // ohiya harusnya di lv 13 double sama kek part sbelumnya, fixed

[Lv4]
00:54:466 - 00:54:952 - 00:57:060 - 00:57:547 - 01:02:250 - 01:02:736 - masing2 poin ini coba add note dah biar spreadny lebih deket ama diff hard nya. // oki gw deketin gapnya, catch suara kicky
updated
Maxus
Good luck there :)
Asherz007
Well, guess I came around to check this eventually...

(I dieded for a couple of months because of personal issues)

So, checking time.

[Hitsounds, woo]
So in the lower difficulties, there are a few sounds similar to the ones that you have in play that are in the storyboard. Particularly in the Lv.4 diff, there were a few places where the storyboarded hitsounds were a little weird since the player won't be playing anything at all, like 00:14:088. I don't know whether this was intentional.

Even so, I noticed 01:02:250 which has something in the storyboard yet the note in play has nothing.

As a side note, I'm glad that you increased the general hitsound volume, but at the same time, I feel like one of the samples has been put it at such a high volume it stands out so much from the music that it might be detrimental. Namely, the hat hitsound imported at 90% (especially since it's used in quieter sections as opposed to hat2). It might be a little bit better to have this hitsound imported at around 50-65% instead.

Also, the background for Lv.4 seems a little fuzzier compared to the other two. I dunno whether that's just me though.

tofood is making me hungry lol
Topic Starter
Ilham

Asherz007 wrote:

Well, guess I came around to check this eventually...

(I dieded for a couple of months because of personal issues)

So, checking time.

[Hitsounds, woo]
So in the lower difficulties, there are a few sounds similar to the ones that you have in play that are in the storyboard. Particularly in the Lv.4 diff, there were a few places where the storyboarded hitsounds were a little weird since the player won't be playing anything at all, like 00:14:088. I don't know whether this was intentional. //intended to be consistent to another diff uwu

Even so, I noticed 01:02:250 which has something in the storyboard yet the note in play has nothing. // hmm, just a minor thing that isnt too noticeable when played (?) uwu

As a side note, I'm glad that you increased the general hitsound volume, but at the same time, I feel like one of the samples has been put it at such a high volume it stands out so much from the music that it might be detrimental. Namely, the hat hitsound imported at 90% (especially since it's used in quieter sections as opposed to hat2). It might be a little bit better to have this hitsound imported at around 50-65% instead. // umm I think volume is relative, besides I've a concern to give some impact on the hat uwu

Also, the background for Lv.4 seems a little fuzzier compared to the other two. I dunno whether that's just me though. actually... I dont know what to do if it got dqed again.. uwu

tofood is making me hungry lol
uwu party.
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