Finalized
Original Post
Edit: change title to match the thread better. This is mostly intended for Doujin music that has circles and a wide variety of other things.
First off: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/62125 - https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/81828 do exist but have been finalized or really outdated.
Lately it seems that there is a bit of talk between what should be used as an artist mostly in Touhou songs and other songs that have groups known as Circles.
A few examples of recently ranked beatmaps.
Dark PHOENiX - Last Remote - Type gamma
♦ Publisher/Circle: Dark PHOENiX
♦ Arranger: Dark PHOENiX (Yu, Shion Himekawa)
♦ Original Composer: ZUN
♦ Album: Sound-0 Phase-11
http://vgmdb.net/album/26985
IOSYS - Shining Grace
♦ Publisher: IOSYS
♦ Arranger: D.watt, DJ Laugh, uno (I don't have this CD so I can't tell who arranged which track)
♦ Composer: ARM
♦ Vocals: miko
♦ Lyrics: 夕野ヨシミ (Yuno Yoshimi?)
♦ Album: Project U-Ta-Hi-Me Original Soundtrack
http://vgmdb.net/album/36039
Linjin - Walking in the NIGHT
♦ Publisher: CYTOKINE
♦ Arranger: Linjin
♦ Original Composer: ZUN
♦ Vocals: itori
♦ Lyrics: Linjin
http://vgmdb.net/album/24434
Out of all these, and based on their respective threads, Linjin - Walking in the NIGHT was asked to be changed from CYTOKINE, and it's possible that the IOSYS one might be changed as well (depending on what other BATs suggest)
From Wikipedia for terms.
So my question is... What do we use as the artist? Is it the Publisher/Circle, Arranger, Composer (Even if its the original), or the Vocalist even? Do we create a priority system such as Composer (Unless not Original) > Arranger (Unless they're the only arrangers of the circle), Circle, Vocals?
A previous thread already outruled using the vocalist as the singer for songs from Vocaloids, but it is still worth mentioning.
My opinion will be in the next post.
peppy wrote:
Most artists group themselves under the circle name, unless they are very well known. If they are well known enough, it's feasible to use their artist name instead of circle name.
---Ephemeral wrote:
BAT decision is always priority regarding issues pertinent to map metadata issues.
Approving this specific amendment case using peppy's explanation.
Original Post
Edit: change title to match the thread better. This is mostly intended for Doujin music that has circles and a wide variety of other things.
First off: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/62125 - https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/81828 do exist but have been finalized or really outdated.
Lately it seems that there is a bit of talk between what should be used as an artist mostly in Touhou songs and other songs that have groups known as Circles.
A few examples of recently ranked beatmaps.
Dark PHOENiX - Last Remote - Type gamma
♦ Publisher/Circle: Dark PHOENiX
♦ Arranger: Dark PHOENiX (Yu, Shion Himekawa)
♦ Original Composer: ZUN
♦ Album: Sound-0 Phase-11
http://vgmdb.net/album/26985
IOSYS - Shining Grace
♦ Publisher: IOSYS
♦ Arranger: D.watt, DJ Laugh, uno (I don't have this CD so I can't tell who arranged which track)
♦ Composer: ARM
♦ Vocals: miko
♦ Lyrics: 夕野ヨシミ (Yuno Yoshimi?)
♦ Album: Project U-Ta-Hi-Me Original Soundtrack
http://vgmdb.net/album/36039
Linjin - Walking in the NIGHT
♦ Publisher: CYTOKINE
♦ Arranger: Linjin
♦ Original Composer: ZUN
♦ Vocals: itori
♦ Lyrics: Linjin
http://vgmdb.net/album/24434
Out of all these, and based on their respective threads, Linjin - Walking in the NIGHT was asked to be changed from CYTOKINE, and it's possible that the IOSYS one might be changed as well (depending on what other BATs suggest)
From Wikipedia for terms.
SPOILER
Publisher: Publishing is the process of production and dissemination of literature, music, or information — the activity of making information available to the general public. In some cases, authors may be their own publishers, meaning: originators and developers of content also provide media to deliver and display the content for the same. Also, the word publisher can refer to the individual who leads a publishing company or imprint or to a person who owns a magazine.
Arranger: An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure.[1] Orchestration differs in that it is only adapting music for an orchestra or musical ensemble while arranging "involves adding compositional techniques, such as new thematic material for introductions, transitions, or modulations, and endings...Arranging is the art of giving an existing melody musical variety".[1]
Compser: A composer (Latin com+ponere, literally "one who puts together") is a person who creates music, either by musical notation or oral tradition, for interpretation and performance, or through direct manipulation of sonic material as electroacoustic music.
Vocalist: Singing is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, and augments regular speech by the use of both tonality and rhythm. One who sings is called a singer or vocalist. Singers perform music (arias, recitatives, songs, etc.) that can be sung either with or without accompaniment by musical instruments. Singing is often done in a group of other musicians, such as in a choir of singers with different voice ranges, or in an ensemble with instrumentalists, such as a rock group or baroque ensemble.
Lyrics: Lyrics (in singular form lyric) are a set of words that make up a song, usually consisting of verses and choruses. The writer of lyrics is a lyricist or lyrist. The meaning of lyrics can either be explicit or implicit. Some lyrics are abstract, almost unintelligible, and, in such cases, their explication emphasizes form, articulation, meter, and symmetry of expression. The lyricist of traditional musical forms such as Opera is known as a librettist.
Arranger: An arrangement is the adaptation of a previously written musical composition for presentation. It may differ from the original form by reharmonization, paraphrasing or development of the melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic structure.[1] Orchestration differs in that it is only adapting music for an orchestra or musical ensemble while arranging "involves adding compositional techniques, such as new thematic material for introductions, transitions, or modulations, and endings...Arranging is the art of giving an existing melody musical variety".[1]
Compser: A composer (Latin com+ponere, literally "one who puts together") is a person who creates music, either by musical notation or oral tradition, for interpretation and performance, or through direct manipulation of sonic material as electroacoustic music.
Vocalist: Singing is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, and augments regular speech by the use of both tonality and rhythm. One who sings is called a singer or vocalist. Singers perform music (arias, recitatives, songs, etc.) that can be sung either with or without accompaniment by musical instruments. Singing is often done in a group of other musicians, such as in a choir of singers with different voice ranges, or in an ensemble with instrumentalists, such as a rock group or baroque ensemble.
Lyrics: Lyrics (in singular form lyric) are a set of words that make up a song, usually consisting of verses and choruses. The writer of lyrics is a lyricist or lyrist. The meaning of lyrics can either be explicit or implicit. Some lyrics are abstract, almost unintelligible, and, in such cases, their explication emphasizes form, articulation, meter, and symmetry of expression. The lyricist of traditional musical forms such as Opera is known as a librettist.
So my question is... What do we use as the artist? Is it the Publisher/Circle, Arranger, Composer (Even if its the original), or the Vocalist even? Do we create a priority system such as Composer (Unless not Original) > Arranger (Unless they're the only arrangers of the circle), Circle, Vocals?
A previous thread already outruled using the vocalist as the singer for songs from Vocaloids, but it is still worth mentioning.
My opinion will be in the next post.