So I'm making an online game (similar to osu! in that it will have a chat, multiplayer, etc.). Could someone go over the basics? Like what I will need and where to get it?
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Well, for chat/forums/website you generally use a normal LAMP setup + IRC server. For that you could get away with VPS hosting, but if you plan on having the server do more complex, game related, things you're going to want your own dedicated server in a datacenter somewhere.
Initially your userbase is going to be small, so start small and think big. If you don't have a spare PC to run linux/your own server, use VMWare. Get everything working nicely locally, then deploy to your chosen hosted solution.
Initially your userbase is going to be small, so start small and think big. If you don't have a spare PC to run linux/your own server, use VMWare. Get everything working nicely locally, then deploy to your chosen hosted solution.
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Unfortunately, I only understand 5% pf what you just said ;_;phill wrote:
Well, for chat/forums/website you generally use a normal LAMP setup + IRC server. For that you could get away with VPS hosting, but if you plan on having the server do more complex, game related, things you're going to want your own dedicated server in a datacenter somewhere.
Initially your userbase is going to be small, so start small and think big. If you don't have a spare PC to run linux/your own server, use VMWare. Get everything working nicely locally, then deploy to your chosen hosted solution.
Thanks anyway, I'll have to look into whatever that means.
Well, it's not a small thing really. There are many many components that come together to present what you see ingame, through the website and in chat, and most of them have had hours and hours of customisation and modification put into them by peppy.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses Apache.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses Apache.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
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Now THIS I can understand! Thanks! Also, If anyone else has anything to contribute, it's welcome!phill wrote:
Well, it's not a small thing really. There are many many components that come together to present what you see ingame, through the website and in chat, and most of them have had hours and hours of customisation and modification put into them by peppy.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses Lighttpd.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
Also I lol'd at avoiding mssqlphill wrote:
Well, it's not a small thing really. There are many many components that come together to present what you see ingame, through the website and in chat, and most of them have had hours and hours of customisation and modification put into them by peppy.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses apache.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
. Presumably due to the obscene licence fees.Or if you are just getting started and don't want to install LAMP, I suggest WAMP.
Its basically the same thing for Windows (except maybe without chat).
http://www.wampserver.com/en/
I'm currently working on this game, hopefully will see the light someday.
Its basically the same thing for Windows (except maybe without chat).
http://www.wampserver.com/en/
I'm currently working on this game, hopefully will see the light someday.
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I was working on the assumption that some people prefer to go the MS route for hosting and would probably pirate MSSQLpeppy wrote:
Also I lol'd at avoiding mssqlphill wrote:
Well, it's not a small thing really. There are many many components that come together to present what you see ingame, through the website and in chat, and most of them have had hours and hours of customisation and modification put into them by peppy.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses apache.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
And yeah, wasn't sure about lighttpd/apache.
How much 'game' have you made yet? You don't need to think about this stuff until your game is fairly developed. It sounds like you'd be better off finding a friend who is familiar with all this to set it up for you.gaph2000 wrote:
Err, uh, I just came up with a bunch more questions (Which I will probably forget as I'm writing them)phill wrote:
Well, it's not a small thing really. There are many many components that come together to present what you see ingame, through the website and in chat, and most of them have had hours and hours of customisation and modification put into them by peppy.
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
A webserver - Apache, Lighttpd, IIS etc. Osu uses Lighttpd.
A chat server - IRC. Peppy pretty much re-rolled his own on this. Normal IRC clients work fine with it but it's not IRC in the normal sense.
A scripting language: Your website needs to talk to the db and soforth. Osu uses PHP, mostly.
LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP. It's abbreviated because it's a very common set of applications for web-related duties.
So this sounds like Ill need a whole other PC to run all this on. If this is the case, what specs does it need, and about how much do they cost? And will it need to be on constantly? Also... You mentioned something about going to a data center? Could you tell me more?
And if you don't mind (I know it's asking slot) Could you explain what each of the things you mentioned do?
One more thing - I have the Adobe CS3 Master Collection, which includes Dreamweaver, which I beleive is used for creating websites. Would it basically start out as me using that and, say, getting a domain name from a place like GoDaddy? Or something more complex?
If only I could find some tutorial kind of thing. You'd think there was one somewhere, but I sure cant find it.
Yup. Game first. Online functionality later. Sounds like you have a lot of reading to do, anwyays.
When you say an online game, do you mean a game you play from your browser, or standalone like osu?
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$150 a month!? If it's possible to use any computer, why wouldn't I just buy a new, dedicated computer to run it on? Would'nt that be cheaper?Loginer wrote:
The domain will cost about $10/year, and the hosting will be free if you use your own computer as a server (which should do for the moment, but you'll have to keep your computer on 24/7). A "real" dedicated server will cost you about $150/month.gaph2000 wrote:
But I need to know about how much this will cost me, so I know if I going to go through with this at all.That depends on what language/program you're using.gaph2000 wrote:
Oh, and if anyone knows a place where I can go for help once I'm at the point where I'm going to add in online capabilities, that would be nice.
And as for the programming language, I'm working in C++ on Visual Studio 8, if that helps.
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Oh, and peppy, mind if I ask you a proramming question?
Assuming osu! is programmed in C++, HOW DO YOU MAKE THE FRIKIN' PROGRAM FULLSCREEN!? It's been buggin me all day ;_; If you don't want to answer (or osu! isn't programmed in C++) it's a'ight. I'll just have to keep looking.
Assuming osu! is programmed in C++, HOW DO YOU MAKE THE FRIKIN' PROGRAM FULLSCREEN!? It's been buggin me all day ;_; If you don't want to answer (or osu! isn't programmed in C++) it's a'ight. I'll just have to keep looking.
Sorry gaph, I think you should focus on your programming for now. If you end up with a client-server type multiplayer game you can get it working locally first and then think about finding a server to support more than a few players.
As for a website like this, you can definitely do the forum/irc/frontpage part for cheap/free/no effort. It won't look nearly as nice/integrated as the Osu! site does unless you put effort into learning some php/html/css though.
some ok free hosting...
http://www.000webhost.com/
then some software to get you going...
frontpage - http://www.phpnuke.org
forums - http://www.phpbb.com
chat / irc - http://cgiirc.org/ (find an existing irc server, make a channel on there to discuss your game)
As for a website like this, you can definitely do the forum/irc/frontpage part for cheap/free/no effort. It won't look nearly as nice/integrated as the Osu! site does unless you put effort into learning some php/html/css though.
some ok free hosting...
http://www.000webhost.com/
then some software to get you going...
frontpage - http://www.phpnuke.org
forums - http://www.phpbb.com
chat / irc - http://cgiirc.org/ (find an existing irc server, make a channel on there to discuss your game)
Depends on what library you are using to display your content. There are different API calls for directx and opengl, and i'm sure if you search google for "directx fullscreen" or something similar, you will feel lucky.gaph2000 wrote:
HOW DO YOU MAKE THE FRIKIN' PROGRAM FULLSCREEN!?
phill wrote:
The basics:
Hardware:
A server - this can be windows for your game server, but your way better off hosting websites/chat on a linux box.
Software
A database - Osu uses MySQL for example. Avoid MSSQL. PostgrSQL is good but there a less examples and support if you're new to db's in general
Microsoft Windows Servers are pretty lame compared to Linux; The big L runs More efficiently, with just a little extra work put in. You definitely want to stay away from Microsoft SQL as well, Microsoft condenses and tried to package their programs with little to no cross compatibility. SQL is no exception, access taught me that
I use Textmate on OSX and Notepad++ on Windows.Atmey wrote:
I've been searching for an alternative lately, would do you suggest?phill wrote:
You *can* but what's the point? There are better syntax-highlighting editors out there.Atmey wrote:
You can use dreamweaver to write php, for php I recommend w3schools.
also lol @ phpbb website.
http://www.macromates.com
http://notepad-plus.sf.net
This is very debatable. PHP applications actually run faster when compiled to CLR (.NET) bytecode. MSSQL outperforms MySQL by miles - just search for any benchmarks. It also features management, security, optimisation and tracing, and logging beyond what MySQL could ever hope for. I'm not sure what you mean by "cross compatibility", but I'm pretty sure you are looking at this from an unnecessarily and unfairly negative viewpoint.Azure_Kyte wrote:
Microsoft Windows Servers are pretty lame compared to Linux; The big L runs More efficiently, with just a little extra work put in. You definitely want to stay away from Microsoft SQL as well, Microsoft condenses and tried to package their programs with little to no cross compatibility. SQL is no exception, access taught me that
I don't want to start a debate though - just informing you of the blatant facts
. Linux wins hands down for not having insane license fees and restrictions.I recommend Cream for windows - a prepackaged gVim installation. Of course, use visual studio over everything if you are coding in c, c++, or .net of any kind.phill wrote:
I use Textmate on OSX and Notepad++ on Windows.
http://www.macromates.com
http://notepad-plus.sf.net
I use Programmer's Notepad for my non-.NET dev
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Ooooh, a debate?
Anyway, thanks peppy! After trying about 6 different methods (spanning 4 hours
) I finally found one that worked, and to top it off, used only 2 lines of code, unlike the other ones using about 30. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to make the program close as the method I'm using to make the program fullscreen doesn't use a window. That, and how to switch in and out of Window/Fullscreen without a program restart, then I can really get going on this! Thanks again!
Anyway, thanks peppy! After trying about 6 different methods (spanning 4 hours
) I finally found one that worked, and to top it off, used only 2 lines of code, unlike the other ones using about 30. Now I'm just trying to figure out how to make the program close as the method I'm using to make the program fullscreen doesn't use a window. That, and how to switch in and out of Window/Fullscreen without a program restart, then I can really get going on this! Thanks again!So what are you actually using as your 2d/3d interface?
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OpenGL. And if you're curious as to what I'm making, I've got a thread about it on the "Other Games" Forumpeppy wrote:
So what are you actually using as your 2d/3d interface?
http://osu.ppy.sh/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9767
I use straight-up Notepad.phill wrote:
Notepad++
Thug life.
I bet you have your font set to Comic Sans MS, bold 14pt too.
i find this thread oddly amusing.
dam, and i thought my bloodshed Dev-C++ was gangsta'.awp wrote:
I use straight-up Notepad.phill wrote:
Notepad++
Thug life.