[Proposal] Custom hitnormal.wav hit sound should have hitnormal support

realy0_

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realy0_ 2019-09-30T12:43:45+00:00

I just checked on the rc if having no hitnormal support on custom kick hitsounds is allowed but apparantly yes. But sometimes, the kick hitsound itself doesn't give enough clicking feedback to compensate the missing hitnormal support.

it seems like really minimal because most of the time,the hitnormal support blend very well with the song but if the custom kick hitsound often named as "drum-hitnormal.wav" is used frequently and barely gives feedback, the feedback seems sometimes empty because of the missing hitnormal support on those kick hitsounds

there's a current rule very related to this proposal is this :

RC wrote:
Do not use key sounds without hitnormal support. If sounds blend perfectly with the song, feedback for hitting notes is minimal.

i would suggest to change the wording so it includes any cases like the one above instead of only keysounds.
OR add it in a new guideline so cases that hitnormal without hitnormal support are still acceptable if it is detrimental to a map.

examples of ranked maps with uses of custom kick hitsounds without hitnormal feedback but doesn't give enough feedback
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/720066#osu/1746869
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1011173#osu/2116494
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1004378#osu/2102353

there's a lot more but that's all the recents map i can think of for now

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pishifat

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pishifat 2019-10-25T21:59:43+00:00

[quote]Do not use hit/key sounds without hitnormal support. If sounds blend perfectly with the song, feedback for hitting notes is minimal.[quote]

does the italicized change work? generally people already understand that if hitsounds blend too much, dont use them, though clarifying is ok too

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pishifat 2019-10-25T23:32:57+00:00

https://github.com/ppy/osu-wiki/pull/2711 will leave this up for a few days

realy0_

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realy0_ 2019-10-26T08:45:04+00:00

change seems fine for me but in this case, it would be probably better if the definiton of "hit sound" is added, not just only "active/passive hit sound" so it would be less likely to be ignored

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pishifat 2019-10-28T01:24:50+00:00

what would you suggest?

-Keitaro

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-Keitaro 2019-10-31T01:14:40+00:00

I would say using "Do not use hit/key sounds that blend with the song without hitnormal support. This leads to minimal hitsound feedback" is a lot better

or

"Do not use keysounds without hitnormal support. If a hitsound is used as hitnormal, make sure it does not blend with the song as it provides minimal feedback."

Current wording make it feels like using kicks on hitnormal is totally unrankable.

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realy0_

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realy0_ 2019-10-31T08:31:57+00:00

i actually agree more with the second suggestion proposed by -Keitaro, it's more understable from a new mapper's viewpoint

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