Spinner length rule (osu!)

pishifat

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pishifat 2019-09-15T05:23:31+00:00

Ranking Criteria wrote:
Spinners must be long enough for Auto to achieve 1000 bonus score. Short spinners are unreasonably difficult to complete.

standard rc has this rule because really short spinners used to be impossible to get 300s on. after a client update a few months ago, really short spinners became easy to pass, so i'm wondering like... what do we do with this rule?

should it be kept + second sentence updated so people don't use stupidly short spinners? or should it be deleted and we should allow BNs/mappers to determine when spinners are retarded? low diffs already have spinner length guidelines so if removed, we won't be seeing dumb spinners in low diffs -- only on diffs insane and higher

are either of those options good? or do you have any other suggestions?

-Keitaro

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-Keitaro 2019-09-15T09:50:48+00:00

Hmm, though I think this *could* be removed, this may allow things like ninja spinner putted in some sort of inappropriate place.

Something like: (assuming 180bpm) you're in the middle of the the map and then suddenly a 1/4 spinner pops up, player doesn't have enough time to register that it is a 1/4 as its really fast, making the player keep spinning for a split second after the spinner ends, thus may cause reading issues for the next objects to come

but if we somehow get a wording that could prevent the case above, then sure, why not, its still gonna be 300 anyway

so tldr; make it to something like

"A spinner must be long enough for the player to recognize and react. Having too short stream might lead to confusion and cause readability issues."

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Juuuuuuuuul

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Juuuuuuuuul 2019-09-15T09:53:18+00:00

My opinion, completing spinners is now more a matter of reaction time instead of spinning speed.
I'm for keeping the rule, may be modified accordly to the update.
Also, Auto is not representative of average spinning speed+reaction time of players, SO is better for that.

Suggestion :

Spinners must be long enough for Spun-Out to achieve a 100.

or maybe 300, it should be tested and compared with nomod spinning.

edit :
Testing spun-out on wizards in winter, 132 spinners, 11 are 100s, 0 are 50s, seems reasonable.

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UndeadCapulet

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UndeadCapulet 2019-10-16T02:38:57+00:00

so iirc when the changes were first implemented celerih and i tried to test to see if the required minimum lengths of spinners changed at all, (like did spinners get 1k bonus sooner or not) and we determined they didn't change. it's been a good while since then tho, so this could use proper confirmation. im gonna assume for the timebeing that it's true tho ^^'

personally think requiring auto to achieve 1k bonus score minimum should still be required, and the second sentence of the current rule be reworded to focus on like, how people should be able to theoretically get 1k bonus from a spinner, cuz that's like the whole reason spinners were implemented in the first place? /shrug

either way if we wanted to reduce the required length down to where players can reasonably get 300 instead, that'd require a wording that like, hits that number across the different od values, which sounds.. hard, and like a lot of testing. no idea how that'd be implemented rn o.O

pishifat

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pishifat 2019-10-25T22:03:09+00:00