Okay, here's the deal. Peppy has informed us that removing background elements will soon be considered a form of cheating. I'm not here to whine about this. I have a younger brother who occasionally likes to get on Osu! For this reason, I have several beatmaps that I've edited the backgrounds of. For example, this (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/20801) and this (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/21472). Will it be considered cheating to edit these backgrounds?
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I think so. In most cases this game is at LEAST 16+ age wise. I understand playing the map the way it was made, but even pretty innocent songs have Echii backgrounds (pretty much any nightcore song, anime opening, hatsune miku song, touhou, etc). Seeing this game has no disclaimer or minimum age recommendation, you would think these backgrounds would be removed or at least taken off the front page, before the player even knows exactly what the game is. My little brother has an account and I've pretty much edited half the backgrounds I have on his computer just because he wants to play the same songs I do, and we play online.
How about an option to download a "G rated" background instead of the normal one? I already use the "without video" download if I think there will be anything mature in them.
How about an option to download a "G rated" background instead of the normal one? I already use the "without video" download if I think there will be anything mature in them.
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Yea I thought about this as well. I live in a house with 4 children, alot of the times I delete echii bgs when they are around. Don't get me wrong I love echii stuff as much as any other otaku, but I keep it to myself.
Just have to be more selective with what you play I guess. Doesn't seem like anythings gonna change.
Just have to be more selective with what you play I guess. Doesn't seem like anythings gonna change.
most likely, yes.
however, you can simply play the maps briefly for him beforehand and disable the skins before allowing him to play.
alternatively, maps should not have backgrounds that are overtly questionable (or ecchi), so hit any of the staff up if you find a map with a background that you may find objectionable for whatever reason. it is difficult to have this control delegated to someone else and I can understand that, but problematic maps should not be entering the rankings to begin with.
i sincerely doubt the developers will make a hard toggle for a feature request they have already expressed considerable disdain in adding in the first place, however.
however, you can simply play the maps briefly for him beforehand and disable the skins before allowing him to play.
alternatively, maps should not have backgrounds that are overtly questionable (or ecchi), so hit any of the staff up if you find a map with a background that you may find objectionable for whatever reason. it is difficult to have this control delegated to someone else and I can understand that, but problematic maps should not be entering the rankings to begin with.
i sincerely doubt the developers will make a hard toggle for a feature request they have already expressed considerable disdain in adding in the first place, however.
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The skin toggle doesn't affect the background in anyway and there is no way I'm going to suggest that peppy add a background toggle. He would come to my house with a baseball bat!Ephemeral wrote:
most likely, yes.
however, you can simply play the maps briefly for him beforehand and disable the skins before allowing him to play.
alternatively, maps should not have backgrounds that are overtly questionable (or ecchi), so hit any of the staff up if you find a map with a background that you may find objectionable for whatever reason. it is difficult to have this control delegated to someone else and I can understand that, but problematic maps should not be entering the rankings to begin with.My main problem here is that people simply have different standards. For instance, I personally avoid any material (Osu! or otherwise) that depicts massive breasts, even if nothing is exposed. However some people don't see any problem with that, so... I'm so out of luck if I can't take things into my own hands.
a valid point, if you can't remove the background, you can at least reduce it to 10% visibility, i believe.
little solace, but there's nothing else that can really be done, i am afraid.
little solace, but there's nothing else that can really be done, i am afraid.
question: does the background just have to have the same name, or is it actually checking the file size?Ephemeral wrote:
a valid point, if you can't remove the background, you can at least reduce it to 10% visibility, i believe.
little solace, but there's nothing else that can really be done, i am afraid.
it'll likely be a checksum of all map elements, changing a single thing of any map-related element will change the checksum and invalidate the map
i am no developer though, don't take my word for it. that's just what i would do.
i am no developer though, don't take my word for it. that's just what i would do.
Allowing to edit backgrounds allows you to just make it black, which completely destroys the purpose of what peppy has been doing.
Also, people generally don't really add super echii backgrounds nowadays. To be honest, I don't feel like it would be a huge problem if you pay a little attention. If you really need to play a map with such a background, well I guess you are going to have to figure something out yourself like Ephemeral kinda said. (Unless peppy decides to do something, which I don't think he will lol)
Also, people generally don't really add super echii backgrounds nowadays. To be honest, I don't feel like it would be a huge problem if you pay a little attention. If you really need to play a map with such a background, well I guess you are going to have to figure something out yourself like Ephemeral kinda said. (Unless peppy decides to do something, which I don't think he will lol)
like I said earlier, if there are some really questionable maps that somehow slip through the hundred-something members of staff that now handle beatmap submission and ranking, hit one of us up with the details and we'll see what we can do about having the background changed.
osu! is supposed to be all-ages and that is as much a part of the criteria as the more technical things
osu! is supposed to be all-ages and that is as much a part of the criteria as the more technical things
The problem is that some of the staff members don't necessarily understand that osu! is supposed to be an all-ages game. At least that's what it feels like.
I would be fine with no BG toggle if the BG was appropriate, or had a replacement that was allowed by the ruleset.
peppy and a baseball batMithost wrote:
I would be fine with no BG toggle if the BG was appropriate, or had a replacement that was allowed by the ruleset.
^Only applies to updates already added.
NSFW <3
This is one of the things what people don't understand.Mithost wrote:
I think so. In most cases this game is at LEAST 16+ age wise.
I understand theMikeAG's statement, but things like NSFW Elements or SBs sometimes does not make this to a children-friendly place IMO.
However, to add a rule about a minimum of the age would be ridiculous. And easy to avoid.
And if you think about this, young children should not spend time in osu! an go out to play with other children.
not necessarily, the only time i play osu! is in my room and in places where people can't see my screen because of BGs. and I'm 18TheNutritiousGuy wrote:
And if you think about this, young children should not spend time in osu! an go out to play with other children.
We shouldn't have to limit our playerbase to players ages 16 and up just so a few people can use ecchi backgrounds (which are never the only choice) in their maps. There are Ecchi skins you can use if you want to play osu! with those graphics there. If it wasn't for these backgrounds, I know half a dozen cousins/friends' siblings that are addicted to rhythm games and would be more than happy to pick this up.
is this problem really as prevalent as this thread makes it seem? such quantities of questionable beatmap elements should not be passing through the MAT/BAT
anyone mind linking a few of the maps in question?
anyone mind linking a few of the maps in question?
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24315
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11947
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29864
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19882
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18729
I don't really mind having ecchi bg's on maps that allow it (all nightcore maps basically). A toggle would be nice but I see how that would not happen. The only problem with the BG's now is that you will not be able to delete them. I think you will have to either ban all echhi BGs (not wanted) or add an option of some sort for those who want something more "SFW".
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11947
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/29864
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/19882
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18729
I don't really mind having ecchi bg's on maps that allow it (all nightcore maps basically). A toggle would be nice but I see how that would not happen. The only problem with the BG's now is that you will not be able to delete them. I think you will have to either ban all echhi BGs (not wanted) or add an option of some sort for those who want something more "SFW".