Dear UC.
1 - I personally find your maps insteresting in terms of creativity and "controversy" because they are not the kind of maps we see everyday, and bringing some variation would be nice to this game imo, and i respect you for that.
Even if the system is re-built from the bottom, controversal maps still can pass, the only thing that would change is the way people would take and handle them. So saying that a system where your maps can't get ranked is pretty wrong.
Your maps are not about quality, they are about the way they are mapped. Refer to this quote, you will probably recognize the map.
3 - Miss you was another case, it was something "new" and we were waiting for someone who would be able to fc it, and rrtyui came and showed to the whole community that the map could be humanly fc'd. And as you said, i consider it now as a Masterpiece compared to the other technical maps ranked today just because the mapper was able to maintain its own concept from A to Z, without making the map much overdone even if i find it a little overmapped, something you can't find in most of current technical maps, that used to be super rare in past, but now that look pretty common and generic.
And finally, technical maps from the same era as Miss You weren't pushed far in terms of difficulty, and they were more mapped reasonably than today. And when you start making more difficult stuff, the exigence in terms of quality raises.
4 - Concerning your suggestions :
- "BNG will be given forum moderation and disqualification privileges, with a rule set in place preventing them from using powers outside of thread relocation in the Beatmap Management/Ranking Criteria sections, disqualification, and modding page moderation."
Giving ability to BNG to disqualify maps isn't a good idea, from my own experience, i've seen BNs (i won't mention them) who abused of their "notoriety" to do some mods after qualification, and they were enforcing their ideas of ideal mapping, and they were begging for DQs in the "report a qualified map" thread that wasn't initially made for this kind of "dq reason". I know time changes, but this caan easily lead to abuses and be quickly out of control.
- "Qualified beatmaps will no longer be disqualified for subjective or intersubjective issues unless a contributor to the mapset requests it or a BN places a veto."
This isn't a good idea, when i'm reading this it looks like "i can do everything as long it meets the RC and consistent my map is safe", that's not how it should work especially in a community based game. The community should be able to have an impact on the map's judgement, and sometimes having reviews from experienced players/mappers, former BN/staff members is way better than having some from current ones, in terms of "quality" of the judgement.
1 - I personally find your maps insteresting in terms of creativity and "controversy" because they are not the kind of maps we see everyday, and bringing some variation would be nice to this game imo, and i respect you for that.
Even if the system is re-built from the bottom, controversal maps still can pass, the only thing that would change is the way people would take and handle them. So saying that a system where your maps can't get ranked is pretty wrong.
Your maps are not about quality, they are about the way they are mapped. Refer to this quote, you will probably recognize the map.
2 - Concerning gaia's asymmetry, the DQ reason (lack of concept), would be applied in all maps who plays like a simple map with various patterns, and then you don't know why, there are 1-2 patterns that don't fit the song, and sadly it looks like the QAT closed their eyes towards this "new mapping era" with many maps that lack of concept and are mostly overdone. I remember other cases like Asphyxia's jump map that got disqualified by himself because the commuity found that the jumps were simply overdone, or the long toumei elegy drama etc...Loctav wrote:
You can stop arguing about what is subjective, what is objective, what is intersubjective and what would the map may look like if mapped by sprosive. That doesn't really matter at all. The Ranking Criteria itself is a formal guideline of "fundamental rules" that MUST be hold in in all circumstances. Everything else is on a "case by case" basis. This does NOT MEAN that mapping must ONLY obey the RC and nothing else. You still must map reasonable.
I looked on this map - and top tier players may like it, but as *QAT* stated, this is NOT what we expect to join our official osu! rankings yet. It is unpolished, it is overdone, the music is not complimenting the map sufficiently (no one said, it must be a 1:1 copy of the music, but the degree it is syncing and pleasing the music is subpar).
And *MAPPER*, we discussed that already. You seem to forget partially that this is a game, after all. And I do not know who you let testplay, but I suggest you to find more testplayers, especially ones that do not run around your skirt and yell "oooh, *MAPPER*-sama, you do so great", because that's how many people here talk. They lack of serious criticism.
If you fail to map beatmaps reasonably and stop trying to squeeze an abomination chimera of the big black, freedom dive and strange program on a 173bpm e-guitaresque song, where every normal person would use like 45% of the sum of all hitobjects used here instead, please do not try to get them approved - or at least don't be so pissed and butthurt about it, if you can not make it into the "Official osu! beatmaps".
3 - Miss you was another case, it was something "new" and we were waiting for someone who would be able to fc it, and rrtyui came and showed to the whole community that the map could be humanly fc'd. And as you said, i consider it now as a Masterpiece compared to the other technical maps ranked today just because the mapper was able to maintain its own concept from A to Z, without making the map much overdone even if i find it a little overmapped, something you can't find in most of current technical maps, that used to be super rare in past, but now that look pretty common and generic.
And finally, technical maps from the same era as Miss You weren't pushed far in terms of difficulty, and they were more mapped reasonably than today. And when you start making more difficult stuff, the exigence in terms of quality raises.
4 - Concerning your suggestions :
- "BNG will be given forum moderation and disqualification privileges, with a rule set in place preventing them from using powers outside of thread relocation in the Beatmap Management/Ranking Criteria sections, disqualification, and modding page moderation."
Giving ability to BNG to disqualify maps isn't a good idea, from my own experience, i've seen BNs (i won't mention them) who abused of their "notoriety" to do some mods after qualification, and they were enforcing their ideas of ideal mapping, and they were begging for DQs in the "report a qualified map" thread that wasn't initially made for this kind of "dq reason". I know time changes, but this caan easily lead to abuses and be quickly out of control.
- "Qualified beatmaps will no longer be disqualified for subjective or intersubjective issues unless a contributor to the mapset requests it or a BN places a veto."
This isn't a good idea, when i'm reading this it looks like "i can do everything as long it meets the RC and consistent my map is safe", that's not how it should work especially in a community based game. The community should be able to have an impact on the map's judgement, and sometimes having reviews from experienced players/mappers, former BN/staff members is way better than having some from current ones, in terms of "quality" of the judgement.