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What can a mapper do to get a MAT/BAT to look at their maps

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Kirino Kousaka
655 posts
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Kirino Kousaka
Yes, I know what you mean. I understand what it feels, what you currently feel. You may even check the intro of my user page and read what's written on it.

But what Shiirn said is true. You should be friendly to be kinda well-known in the community or have not actually "MAT Friends" but true friends. Being patient is also needed, yes there are times like there's almost a month and no one mods your map. But just go and ask and ask, and make requests, just be sure you don't bug others or leading them to get insulted. I know that you know there are pending maps celebrating their birthdays for being in pending for soooo long. I hope you also get what I mean.
friendok
127 posts
Joined September 2010
friendok

Kirino Kousaka wrote:

Yes, I know what you mean. I understand what it feels, what you currently feel. You may even check the intro of my user page and read what's written on it.

But what Shiirn said is true. You should be friendly to be kinda well-known in the community or have not actually "MAT Friends" but true friends. Being patient is also needed, yes there are times like there's almost a month and no one mods your map. But just go and ask and ask, and make requests, just be sure you don't bug others or leading them to get insulted. I know that you know there are pending maps celebrating their birthdays for being in pending for soooo long. I hope you also get what I mean.
that may be true but shiirn is still a bully it's a fact lol
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Kyshiro

those wrote:

I'm not sure what I've done to get certain people of certain status to look at my map. I'm a newbie mapper, but I've been able to be patient and wait for replies from people. I'm sure these people don't consider it nagging so much. If it annoys you so much that you get ignored, go annoy the people that annoy you.

On that note, can you guys mod my map? http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47690
I'm not going to annoy anyone on purpose, I've been, and still am patient(Starting to fade now as you probably noticed)

Also I'm not trying to push it by asking every mat every day to check it.
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Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani

Kyshiro wrote:

Shiirn wrote:

My personal failings as a modder include being unable to give out good mods to extremely new mappers since I have problems explaining every little detail to making a decent map (Since it's pretty much instinct to me).

Your complaints are legitimate. It's fine to complain, but try to fix it yourself rather than shoving the problem out in public.
''extremely new mappers'' Really? Funny, 'cause everyone that played my map actually really liked it, as far as I know of.

Trying to fix it in here, someone might actually read what I say now.
Not to be an asshole, but just because people find a map fun doesn't mean it's good.

There's plenty of maps that are ranked that people love, but aren't really that good. Vice Versa too. I know from experience :<. It also depends on who "everyone" is. Depending on who you talk to, I could be a highly skilled 2011 mapper, or one of the worst current active mappers.

But just piggy-backing on Shiirn's statement, Attitude is a huge thing when getting a map ranked. A lot of the reason that people DON'T mod maps is because of the mapper's atititude. I've modded plenty of bubbles in my time, and I've been faced with a lot of ignored mod posts because the map is bubbled and their map is going to be ranked and omggg. If your attitude is good, then people will want to mod your map, because you show yourself off as someone who actually cares about making the map better and will actually take suggestions from the mod.

I had another post that had stuff too, but I guess I pressed another button and it died </3
those
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Joined November 2010
those

Kyshiro wrote:

Also I'm not trying to push it by asking every mat every day to check it.
How do you think I got my map rechecked by Agnes?
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
1,642 posts
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Kyshiro

those wrote:

Kyshiro wrote:

Also I'm not trying to push it by asking every mat every day to check it.
How do you think I got my map rechecked by Agnes?
She didn't even bother to check mine, I'm supposed to be a ninja to get in her queue which barely opens up.
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Shiirn

those wrote:

On that note, can you guys mod my map? http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47690
I dislike you as a person, but your attitude is good and I am pleasantly surprised at the quality of your map, nag me when you get a bubble.

On a more general note, MATs themselves have been somewhat encouraged to slow down the bubbling, since the BATs aren't as active (personal failings, wohoo!), so some of them might feel like they don't know what to say. This is maybe a way of NOT switching from "how do i get bubble?" to "my bubble is 3 months old wtf where bats bat dictators never do siht"

Kyshiro wrote:

those wrote:

How do you think I got my map rechecked by Agnes?
She didn't even bother to check mine, I'm supposed to be a ninja to get in her queue which barely opens up.
Yes. x3
Garven
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Garven
Heres a quick tip: ask for a play test. im happy to just do a quick play through and give general advice. theres a big difference of time from a test play mod and a full on mod for me and that is an important factor.
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Kyshiro

CDFA wrote:

Not to be an asshole, but just because people find a map fun doesn't mean it's good.

There's plenty of maps that are ranked that people love, but aren't really that good. Vice Versa too. I know from experience :<. It also depends on who "everyone" is. Depending on who you talk to, I could be a highly skilled 2011 mapper, or one of the worst current active mappers.


But just piggy-backing on Shiirn's statement, Attitude is a huge thing when getting a map ranked. A lot of the reason that people DON'T mod maps is because of the mapper's atititude. I've modded plenty of bubbles in my time, and I've been faced with a lot of ignored mod posts because the map is bubbled and their map is going to be ranked and omggg. If your attitude is good, then people will want to mod your map, because you show yourself off as someone who actually cares about making the map better and will actually take suggestions from the mod.

I had another post that had stuff too, but I guess I pressed another button and it died </3
Sigh.. The way I asked them to check it was the most decent way i could think of. Can't say it's not true.

And would everyone just stop talking about attitude? I mean, in this thread my attitude seems to be a bit bad yeah, that's 'cause I'm getting a bit tired of this :/

Also, I have lots of mods, which I just asked politely, not like most people who are just like ''mod [link here] ty''
Kirino Kousaka
655 posts
Joined November 2010
Kirino Kousaka

friendok wrote:

that may be true but shiirn is still a bully it's a fact lol
Lol he may be at times, but he's kind.
Well, everyone is. They just forget to be one.
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Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Kyshiro

Garven wrote:

Heres a quick tip: ask for a play test. im happy to just do a quick play through and give general advice. theres a big difference of time from a test play mod and a full on mod for me and that is an important factor.
I haven't seen you online yet :< So I didn't have a chance to ask. (Except for forum pm's ofcourse)
Shiirn
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Shiirn
: ( @ kirino
Mara
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Joined November 2009
Mara
I'm actually wondering, by the way; how often do you guys check #modreqs?
those
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Joined November 2010
those

Shiirn wrote:

I dislike you as a person, but your attitude is good and I am pleasantly surprised at the quality of your map, nag me when you get a bubble.
Some sort of criticism there, and thanks for the praise and offer P:
Wanna give me some hints as to how I can make you not dislike me? It's not like I've done anything to you, I don't think.
Shiirn
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Shiirn

LunaticMara wrote:

I'm actually wondering, by the way; how often do you guys check #modreqs?
I have it open all the time, but very rarely is the time I actually drag a map from there (seeing as bubbles don't exactly dominate it and that's what I want to focus on)
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Kyshiro
Nvm lol answered~
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Mara
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Mara
So I still should try and post my requests six times per day.

You can do it, Mara! You can do it!
friendok
127 posts
Joined September 2010
friendok

LunaticMara wrote:

So I still should try and post my requests six times per day.

You can do it, Mara! You can do it!
i'm with you ! let's make it 12 times mara x2 twice the fun get it?
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Kyshiro
Okay well, I'm done here I guess

I'll just continue asking for testplays/mods/bubbles and stuff :/

Thanks for all the replies.

/me goes back into the game
Agnes
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Agnes

Kyshiro wrote:

those wrote:

How do you think I got my map rechecked by Agnes?
She didn't even bother to check mine, I'm supposed to be a ninja to get in her queue which barely opens up.
No offense, but.

You never asked. I have horrid memory and sometimes people will even have to poke at my brain a bit to even SEE if I remember to mod or recheck the map. i'm sorry for that though, those, i'm a silly jolt. This display of public complaints has happened more than once. And let me tell you, I get pretty gosh darn tired of it.

And the queue is pretty hard to manage. I try to get at least one other person with me to help me manage it, but I end up alone in the end *gives Shiirn an intense, endless stare*.

But if the OP is done here, Shiirn, you can lock the thread, since it'll lack purpose.
Shiro
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Shiro

Kyshiro wrote:

@Odaril: What do you mean o-o
I was pointing out the fact that despite being BAT myself, I am having as hard a time to get my maps modded as any other mapper out there.

As Shiirn said, be active in the community. Get known. And prove that your have a good attitude. I've refused so many mods because I knew the mapper had a terrible attitude. Even for mappers whose maps I like or for friends - if their attitude when dealing with mods is bad, they don't get any.

I might sound old or whatever, but you should worry about making your map as perfect as you can instead of only worrying about ranking.

@Mara: every single time there is a new message in it when I'm awake.
Mara
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Mara
I-I'm doing h-hard work here!!
Kyshiro
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Kyshiro

Agnes wrote:

No offense, but.

You never asked. I have horrid memory and sometimes people will even have to poke at my brain a bit to even SEE if I remember to mod or recheck the map. i'm sorry for that though, those, i'm a silly jolt. This display of public complaints has happened more than once. And let me tell you, I get pretty gosh darn tired of it.

And the queue is pretty hard to manage. I try to get at least one other person with me to help me manage it, but I end up alone in the end *gives Shiirn an intense, endless stare*.

But if the OP is done here, Shiirn, you can lock the thread, since it'll lack purpose.
*cough*wasn'tgoneyet*cough*

I have asked you D: you said you only took requests from #modreqs and your queue.
Fabi
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Fabi
On a side note, this is updated memberlist.php?g=7&mode=group&start=0 ?
Shiirn
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Joined August 2010
Shiirn
every time i look at that fabi, i sigh at the lack of color.


;~;
Fabi
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Joined September 2009
Fabi
Seems a lot of them are inactive ;__;
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Joined January 2011
Stefan

Kyshiro wrote:

Regou wrote:

There are not just 1 MAT here.
You failed to get a mod then go find another one D:
Which is why I contacted a bunch of MAT's which all told me the same thing.
That's why I'm sorry for marshall_racer's Map, which been promised by alot of MATs for Modding and never did.
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

Regou wrote:

There are not just 1 MAT here.
You failed to get a mod then go find another one D:
then why is he/she MAT?...if doesnt help,
Faust
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Faust
Hahahahahaha ^
-Athena-
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Joined June 2011
-Athena-
MAT's don't have it easy is what I can say
The MAT's I know almost never really play this game anymore because of they're duties and also making maps of they're own
Cyclohexane
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Cyclohexane
Of course.
Of course a MAT should be able to mod every single requests he gets, through ingame PM, #modreqs, forum PM, or even sometimes in public channels!
Of course he shouldn't be a MAT if he's unable to do it, and to do it well!
I mean, that's totally how it works, right?


On a more serious note, if you want your maps modded, get them to be known somehow. Be creative. Show why your map should be ranked. Get your friends to play it, look at it, test it, possibly mod it. Take into account suggestions and apply the relevant ones. Make your map awesome. And when you're done, the mods should come by themselves.
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

-A t H e N a- wrote:

MAT's don't have it easy is what I can say
The MAT's I know almost never really play this game anymore because of they're duties and also making maps of they're own
okey,then why is he/she MAT if cannot helps?
Krisom
osu! Alumni
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Krisom
Hello,

MATs are voluntary doing their best to get to everyone's map, however, they are spending their free time in something, why should they be forced to mod? They do what they can. osu! is a free to play game, if osu! needed a monthly subscription to be played, then I guess everyone could complain "why is the MAT team taking so long to check my map?" because then we'd have to pay to MATs to do a job, however, right now, they are doing the community a favor.
Miya
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Joined June 2011
Miya

I really don't agree with this. I think a good MAT should take any form of map and music, not depend on his/her criteria. Well, if a MAT act that way, everything will be turn up like these.

Krisom wrote:

Hello,

MATs are voluntary doing their best to get to everyone's map, however, they are spending their free time in something, why should they be forced to mod? They do what they can. osu! is a free to play game, if osu! needed a monthly subscription to be played, then I guess everyone could complain "why is the MAT team taking so long to check my map?" because then we'd have to pay to MATs to do a job, however, right now, they are doing the community a favor.
True that krisom say, well, i don't blame MAT if a MAT have any criteria of music and map. But once the map is good for bubble, i don't think it's must to be on his/her criteria.

Well, just be patient. If you want everything is fast, osu must be a paid game itself. Don't expect an awesome thing in a free game itself.
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NoHitter
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NoHitter

ReVeNg3r wrote:

okey,then why is he/she MAT if cannot helps?
Not helping you at that point in time does not mean that the MAT isn't helpful.
Please remember that MATs are busy and have real lives too.(I was a MAT before so I know.)
He/she may have had something more important to do at the time.

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Miya wrote:

I really don't agree with this. I think a good MAT should take any form of map and music, not depend on his/her criteria. Well, if a MAT act that way, everything will be turn up like these.
Well MATs are people too, and people will have their respective tastes.
Mismagius
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Joined July 2008
Mismagius

ReVeNg3r wrote:

-A t H e N a- wrote:

MAT's don't have it easy is what I can say
The MAT's I know almost never really play this game anymore because of they're duties and also making maps of they're own
okey,then why is he/she MAT if cannot helps?
I am not modding currently because of personal issues. Does that mean I should be kicked off the MAT, just because I'm not being able to do my job for a consistent amount of time?


Put yourself on our shoes, do you think you'd like to accept EVERY request when you can't even mod more than one map per week?
Stefan
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Stefan

Blue Dragon wrote:

ReVeNg3r wrote:

okey,then why is he/she MAT if cannot helps?
I am not modding currently because of personal issues. Does that mean I should be kicked off the MAT, just because I'm not being able to do my job for a consistent amount of time?


Put yourself on our shoes, do you think you'd like to accept EVERY request when you can't even mod more than one map per week?
^ but really.
ziin
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Joined January 2010
ziin

Miya wrote:


I really don't agree with this. I think a good MAT should take any form of map and music, not depend on his/her criteria. Well, if a MAT act that way, everything will be turn up like these.
do you star every map? If I don't star a map, I don't care if it's ranked or not.

Kyshiro wrote:

I'd love to be one for a week just to prove it's possible not to be lazy

You're not even a mapper so what do you know?
29 kudos per year...

You're not really in a position to talk. Certainly you understand that there is no difference between a MAT and a good modder other than the fact that they can bubble.
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those
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Joined November 2010
those

Blue Dragon wrote:

I am not modding currently because of personal issues. Does that mean I should be kicked off the MAT, just because I'm not being able to do my job for a consistent amount of time?
We trust you're able to determine and prioritize. In return, if you insist on staying on the Team, somehow let the community know that you will try to make this "consistent amount of time" not "indefinite".
Miya
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Miya
nope, i'm just star a map that really need to star. Well, a good map deserve a star i guess, even it's not my type of music. If you look into the sentece, it mean the MAT has look into the map, right? if i were him, of course i will give it a bubble even i don't like the music.
ziin
2,632 posts
Joined January 2010
ziin

those wrote:

We trust you're able to determine and prioritize. In return, if you insist on staying on the Team, somehow let the community know that you will try to make this "consistent amount of time" not "indefinite".
I would rather have 50 inactive MATs with 12 active MATs than 12 active MATs and 0 inactive MATs.

Miya wrote:

nope, i'm just star a map that really need to star. Well, a good map deserve a star i guess, even it's not my type of music. If you look into the sentece, it mean the MAT has look into the map, right? if i were him, of course i will give it a bubble even i don't like the music.
I'm not going to star a bad map that has a song I don't like. I might star a good map with a song I don't like. If a MAT won't bubble songs she doesn't like, then whatever. She's not the only fish in the MAT sea. There's a MAT out there for you.
DerekMcD
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Joined February 2009
DerekMcD
MATs goes around their pending beatmaps randomly for a check and it doesn't mean it can get a bubble quickly, it really needs more improvement for it to be bubbled. But it can be popped is something is unrankable.

Do you think they should get kicked out from being a MAT because they're inactive for checking/bubbling/modding? Maybe because of their personal issues/mood. osu! is a free game and it's a part for the anime/otaku fandom.

Anyway, it should be hope, remember.

Don't take it seriously, I'm just saying.

do you star every map? If I don't star a map, I don't care if it's ranked or not.
Actually, I save up stars and it's for the songs I really love and has one of my favorite singers and for my beatmaps.
Wishy
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Joined September 2010
Wishy
Thing with new mappers is that many of them are completely unknown players that barely played the game and just want to make a map, then they go and make some horrible map with tons of mistakes per second and it might even be considered disrespectful asking a MAT/BAT for a mod for that kind of disastrous map. That's why I'm pretty much not asking for mods to any MAT/BAT on my first map (yet) since I feel it'd be better to get it decent before asking them a mod, since I wouldn't like to go waste their time having to tell me to change 95% of what I did.

It's sad but that's how it is, even if your map is good, if you're a new mapper they will probably just ignore you because fact might be many new mappers make maps that seem to be a joke. Asking for test-plays is what you should be doing, since well, you won't get a super full mod for every hit, but yeah getting people to play your map might help you to notice stuff that doesn't fit/sounds good, and the player you asked himself might feel some stuff would be better some other way.
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

Blue Dragon wrote:

I am not modding currently because of personal issues. Does that mean I should be kicked off the MAT, just because I'm not being able to do my job for a consistent amount of time?


Put yourself on our shoes, do you think you'd like to accept EVERY request when you can't even mod more than one map per week?
Ok,that is you.nut if i ask MAT for mod and answer is.no. (without reason)
then??....he/she should tell me at least why..Not?
Zelmarked
407 posts
Joined September 2011
Zelmarked
Despite the warning that a lot of maps are submitted and the process is slow, many mappers still jump into the grinder. It's your choice to map. And a MAT's to spend their time modding.

If I were to map, not anytime soon for sure, I would be willing to pay a MAT to mod. Why not? That's something I could suggest to you, OP. You don't even need to directly pay them. You could pay for their osu! supporter status. Your map gets refined, the MAT gets incentive, the game gets funded. Win-win and a bonus win.
Kyshiro
Elite Mapper
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Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Kyshiro

ziin wrote:

Kyshiro wrote:

I'd love to be one for a week just to prove it's possible not to be lazy

You're not even a mapper so what do you know?
29 kudos per year...

You're not really in a position to talk. Certainly you understand that there is no difference between a MAT and a good modder other than the fact that they can bubble.
Loool First off, I've been active for 5/6 months now,Which is about when i started mapping too, I wasn't even serious back then, didn't mod stuff. About your reply, it was a response to someone above me, I didn't mean that I wanted to become a MAT(yet?). Would you read the whole thing before posting your stupid thoughts? Thanks :3
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

Kyshiro wrote:

I'd love to be one for a week just to prove it's possible not to be lazy


^THIS
eldnl
Former osu!catch Champion: 2013
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Joined March 2010
eldnl

Krisom wrote:

Hello,

MATs are voluntary doing their best to get to everyone's map, however, they are spending their free time in something, why should they be forced to mod? They do what they can. osu! is a free to play game, if osu! needed a monthly subscription to be played, then I guess everyone could complain "why is the MAT team taking so long to check my map?" because then we'd have to pay to MATs to do a job, however, right now, they are doing the community a favor.
Nope, they must mod maps, and if they don't have enough time, they should quit the team and be changed by someone who has it until he has time.
The point is, if you're volunteer in something, you must do the job ... is not when you want.
Sync
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Sync

ziin wrote:

those wrote:

We trust you're able to determine and prioritize. In return, if you insist on staying on the Team, somehow let the community know that you will try to make this "consistent amount of time" not "indefinite".
I would rather have 50 inactive MATs with 12 active MATs than 12 active MATs and 0 inactive MATs
...

Why?

Inactive MATs make the team look poorly managed and lazy; they set bad examples for newMATs; and it makes it tough for mappers to weed out the MATs who actually mod.
Cyclohexane
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Cyclohexane
Oh, but you don't become a MAT for a week.

Come back when you're determined to be a MAT for months, years. Then we'll talk business.
I'm 100% sure you guys have absolutely no idea of the stress upon the MATs. If anyone should complain about the situation, I surely don't think it would be the players. After all, if a regular player refuses to mod your map, you just shrug and move on.
Why shouldn't it be the same for the MATs ? as we said, they aren't paid for their services, they do this out of their own voluntarism, so don't impose anything on them. They might refuse without any justification to mod your map, and that's perfectly in their own right.

Also, simplistic vision of the MATs much? Do you have even a single idea of what MATs do besides modding? Try discussing the new rules, dealing with foul bubbles, dealing with mappers that refuse to fix their map after their mod, dealing with the community as a whole, but also dealing with their own lives...
Try and join the MAT. I dare you, ReVeNg3r. I dare you, Kyshiro. I'd give you one week before you resign.
It's high time people realize that MATs and BATs are people before anything else.
Shiro
Global Moderator
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Shiro
I like how the people who complain the most aren't modders themselves.

Oh, sorry, I'm clearly a bad BAT, I spent time posting instead of modding a map. This is unacceptable, I should be kicked out of the BAT.

Oh and just for your information, dear whiners, the ones who whine the most are the ones whose maps get modded the least. Why ? Because their constant whining proves their attitude isn't good at all and no MAT or BAT wants to have to deal with them.

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