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All of us are shit without even knowing it.

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DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro
How so?

Well, we expect way too many things from others.
As we saw a little while ago, AsrielDr33murr posted a thread to spill his dislikes with his current situation. Clearly, if he wants his map ranked he should cater to the players’ taste (mostly).
But what i’ve also seen there is that people expect others to solve all their problems themselves.
I disagree with that, because, as Kirito put it, “there are limits to what a solo player can do”.
I hope this makes sense.
E m i
E m i
i'm shit but pretty much all i want to do is be useful to other people so absolve me despite my shitness if you can
ColdTooth
1,108 posts
Joined June 2012
ColdTooth
You don't have to tell me twice.
Achromalia
347 posts
Joined November 2016
Achromalia

ColdTooth wrote:

You don't have to tell me twice.
DJ Enetro
88 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro

Xuequinox wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

You don't have to tell me twice.
yeah, but can’t assume that everyone is aware of this now can we? So I’m putting this on like a PSA.
Achromalia
347 posts
Joined November 2016
Achromalia
yeah, im aware of that.

We're just stating that we've acknowledged this before, and still do.

Anyways, youre doing an okay job.
B1rd
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Joined December 2013
B1rd
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

Romans 3:23
Tae
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Joined June 2015
Tae
Who the actual fuck quotes SAO

Also the longer these threads go on, the more I'm seeing at least some truth in what B1rd says.
ColdTooth
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Joined June 2012
ColdTooth

Hwa Yang wrote:

Who the actual fuck quotes SAO
Who is quoting SAO?
DJ Enetro
88 posts
Joined January 2017
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DJ Enetro

ColdTooth wrote:

Who is quoting SAO?
That would be me, if you haven’t checked the OP yet.
yuhaii
215 posts
Joined May 2017
yuhaii

DJ Enetro wrote:

I disagree with that, because, as Kirito put it, “there are limits to what a solo player can do”.
SAO quote here btw
abraker
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abraker
I constantly need someone supporting me to keep continuing things, the common source of motivation I can find is working with someone to get things done. If I lack motivation, the other person drags me back up. They lack motivation, I drag them back up. Good luck finding someone like that, though. I wish I had someone to create such feedback loop of productivity. Being by yourself, you drag yourself against this flow. That is your motivation constantly sinking and your will trying to prevent it from sinking. Until you get lucky I guess, you are a solo player. If there is any truth in this world is that most of us have no interest in sharing productivity due to differentiating ideas and interests. If someone does care, it is usually for personal gain. As a society we only care about each other enough to help ourselves.
Saturnalize
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Saturnalize
I'm a golden shit bow down peasant
Serraionga
11,487 posts
Joined November 2014
Serraionga
Well, I'm a diamond shit. Get on my level.

johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999
Last post of the first page.
johnmedina999
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johnmedina999
First post of the second page.

johnmedina999 wrote:

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Meah
733 posts
Joined November 2014
Meah
yes
DJ Enetro
88 posts
Joined January 2017
Topic Starter
DJ Enetro
I’m just gonna put notices since I can’t quote for shit normally on the old forum on mobile.

Reply to abraker
I constantly need someone supporting me to keep continuing things
For you, why would that be? Could it possibly be an instinctual desire for attention?
the common source of motivation I can find is working with someone to get things done. If I lack motivation, the other person drags me back up. They lack motivation, I drag them back up. Good luck finding someone like that, though. I wish I had someone to create such feedback loop of productivity.
As is the case in any work relationship or friendship. I see what you mean.
For me though, I watch what’s going on around me and try - try now, mind you, as I don’t always succeed - to motivate myself from there. This sort of independence frees me from relying on others to turn a wish of mine into a reality.
One example I have is my hobby for non-English languages. Communication barriers should not be a problem towards friendship and success in today’s society, so to “do my share”, I am actively trying to use 4 languages - English, Spanish, Japanese, and Indonesian.
Being by yourself, you drag yourself against this flow. That is your motivation constantly sinking and your will trying to prevent it from sinking. Until you get lucky I guess, you are a solo player.
Assuming this “flow” is the mutual support between partners, yeah. Our minds might be able to do anything, but working together accelerates the grasping of knowledge.
If both partners are taught the same concept, and only one understands, because each partner has an idea of how the other acts most of the time, the the message might be able to be understood quicker.
If there is any truth in this world is that most of us have no interest in sharing productivity due to differentiating ideas and interests. If someone does care, it is usually for personal gain. As a society we only care about each other enough to help ourselves.
Those “differing ideas and interests” are not the sole cause of the barrier to sharing productivity, but the fact that some of us have an “either you completely agree with what I’m saying or you’re against me” attitude against them. Like unity and diversity whether you see that you gain something or not (material or karmic wealth) is purely based on attitude. After all, how else is it possible for people to be happy in the worst conditions, and vice versa?
As for your last sentence, it ties in with the “differing ideas and interests” thing you are saying in that people might have the same interest but don’t give it the same priority level.
As always, let me know if I am not making sense to you.
abraker
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abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

abraker wrote:

I constantly need someone supporting me to keep continuing things
For you, why would that be? Could it possibly be an instinctual desire for attention?
Not attention, but positive reinforcement

DJ Enetro wrote:

abraker wrote:

Being by yourself, you drag yourself against this flow. That is your motivation constantly sinking and your will trying to prevent it from sinking. Until you get lucky I guess, you are a solo player.
You crossed out will. I think you thought "will" is a verb and a grammatical error in this context. It's not, and that has led you to misinterpret what I meant as a result.



DJ Enetro wrote:

Assuming this “flow” is the mutual support between partners, yeah.
You, misinterpreted. The flow internally within one's self. Your motivation sinks down, your will keeps it from sinking down. The natural flow causes motivation to sink down, and unless you apply force (your will), it is going to sink down.

DJ Enetro wrote:

Those “differing ideas and interests” are not the sole cause of the barrier to sharing productivity, but the fact that some of us have an “either you completely agree with what I’m saying or you’re against me” attitude against them.
The “either you completely agree with what I’m saying or you’re against me” attitude can be counted as differing interests. One is interested in following this idea, another is interested in following that idea.

DJ Enetro wrote:

As for your last sentence, it ties in with the “differing ideas and interests” thing you are saying in that people might have the same interest but don’t give it the same priority level.
No. What I am saying is that you don't care about me, but you will if it is going to be bad for you if you don't. This applies to most people in society. It can be beyond the external notion of "if you one does help the other, then you loose support from others", to the internal notion of "I don't know how I will live knowing that I could helped the person and I did not".

As a society we only care about each other enough to help ourselves.
And it really depends from person to person how much they want to help themselves. Some who can't be helped even externally have lost place in society,
Achromalia
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Achromalia

Serraionga wrote:

Well, I'm a diamond shit. Get on my level.

I'm the cosmic shit of the void.

Don't get on my level. You'll just stop existing at that point.

>;3
DJ Enetro
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Joined January 2017
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DJ Enetro
Reply to abraker
You crossed out will. I think you thought "will" is a verb and a grammatical error in this context. It's not, and that has led you to misinterpret what I meant as a result.

Then shouldn’t it be “will to try” instead of “will trying”? I have seen sentences with the former, but i am not sure if the latter is correct.

And it really depends from person to person how much they want to help themselves.
Some who can't be helped even externally have lost place in society
What if you consider that you only live to serve others and only save the bare minimum for yourself?
Let’s say the bare minimum is, say what, housing, food, a bed + sheets, clothes, a TV, a computer, internet access (preferably wi-if), an unlocked phone, + laundry and utensils.
Then, that person isn’t really helping him/herself, is (s)he? All that person’s doing is enough to extend their lifespan to maximize their usefulness.
Those people, in others’ eyes, still have a place in society, even though they might not think so themselves, right?
Achromalia
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Achromalia

DJ Enetro wrote:

abraker wrote:

You crossed out will. I think you thought "will" is a verb and a grammatical error in this context. It's not, and that has led you to misinterpret what I meant as a result.

Then shouldn’t it be “will to try” instead of “will trying”? I have seen sentences with the former, but i am not sure if the latter is correct.
I would honestly prefer the latter. When put in context, "will" is being put into an active role, as in "your will is trying to prevent you from sinking". "your will to try and prevent you from sinking" not only sounds passive, but it feels like it focuses on the will, and not what your will is doing. See how the arrangement of sentence structure can change the meaning like that?

Hopefully that helps.
abraker
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abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

And it really depends from person to person how much they want to help themselves.
Some who can't be helped even externally have lost place in society

What if you consider that you only live to serve others and only save the bare minimum for yourself?
Let’s say the bare minimum is, say what, housing, food, a bed + sheets, clothes, a TV, a computer, internet access (preferably wi-if), an unlocked phone, + laundry and utensils.
Then, that person isn’t really helping him/herself, is (s)he? All that person’s doing is enough to extend their lifespan to maximize their usefulness.
Those people, in others’ eyes, still have a place in society, even though they might not think so themselves, right?
That person is helping themselves by obliging. They have an option not to oblige. Fear is a motivator too, and the will to avoid the what of that fear is what keeps motivation from sinking down. Their place in society is to be a servant for someone and having much less influence in society. They would be aware that it is their current place, but likely not accept that it is their place unless they are content with their life.
DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro
I see. Well then.
abraker, I have a few questions for you:
  1. How much do you think you want to help yourself?
  2. What are your main motivations for thinking that way?
  3. Given that it is possible to be motivated either by a single strong motivation or many small ones, are there any you place more worth on and why?
abraker
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abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

How much do you think you want to help yourself?
Anyone who thinks not to help themselves would be in depression and even go as far as contemplating suicide. Now there are times I thought all was shit, was depressed and thinking maybe I should not be, but I just kept going. So I can say I want to help myself enough to live life through one of the toughest moments in life, relatively speaking.

DJ Enetro wrote:

What are your main motivations for thinking that way?
If you look at now, you won't get anywhere. If you fear the future, you won't get far. If you are curious, you might get somewhere. Curiosity may kill the cat, but it does drive it forward, and it may go forward for quite some time before it is killed. Simply put, I like to see what my life will become beyond now and what the future will be like. I fear, but I am curious.

DJ Enetro wrote:

Given that it is possible to be motivated either by a single strong motivation or many small ones, are there any you place more worth on and why?
Many small ones are better than a single strong one because we remember our darkest moments more than we do our greatest. It's actually hardwired into us to do so. Google "why we remember traumatic events better" to get studies scientists did on animals that examine this effect.
Meah
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Meah
yes
Serraionga
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Serraionga

Meah wrote:

yes
Wiwi_
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Wiwi_
me too thanks
johnmedina999
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johnmedina999
If you think about it, this entire subforum has gone completely mental. Just imagine what this would all look like without the internet medium between us. First, one OT shitposter shows everyone a picture, then everybody else begins laughing and parroting phrases back and forth. Everybody in a room, just repeating shit over and over, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" Then someone takes the picture, and draws something else on top of it; usually something we can all recognize from before. And everybody laughs and parrots the same phrase again, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" If you imagine it, it looks like we're all in an insane asylum. In fact, that's really all we do here; just drive each other insane. We keep repeating the same shit over and over until one person finally snaps, and everybody agrees and moves onto something else. Then the whole fucking cycle repeats itself. We're all stuck in the Loony Bin and nobody can escape because we just keep feeding into each other's crippling mental illness. And I don't know if I can fucking take it anymore, one of these days I'm just going to lose every last bit of san- Lol I mean me too thanks.
ColdTooth
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ColdTooth

johnmedina999 wrote:

If you think about it, this entire subforum has gone completely mental. Just imagine what this would all look like without the internet medium between us. First, one OT shitposter shows everyone a picture, then everybody else begins laughing and parroting phrases back and forth. Everybody in a room, just repeating shit over and over, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" Then someone takes the picture, and draws something else on top of it; usually something we can all recognize from before. And everybody laughs and parrots the same phrase again, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" If you imagine it, it looks like we're all in an insane asylum. In fact, that's really all we do here; just drive each other insane. We keep repeating the same shit over and over until one person finally snaps, and everybody agrees and moves onto something else. Then the whole fucking cycle repeats itself. We're all stuck in the Loony Bin and nobody can escape because we just keep feeding into each other's crippling mental illness. And I don't know if I can fucking take it anymore, one of these days I'm just going to lose every last bit of san- Lol I mean me too thanks.
abraker
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abraker

ColdTooth wrote:

johnmedina999 wrote:

If you think about it, this entire subforum has gone completely mental. Just imagine what this would all look like without the internet medium between us. First, one OT shitposter shows everyone a picture, then everybody else begins laughing and parroting phrases back and forth. Everybody in a room, just repeating shit over and over, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" Then someone takes the picture, and draws something else on top of it; usually something we can all recognize from before. And everybody laughs and parrots the same phrase again, "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" "Me too thanks!" If you imagine it, it looks like we're all in an insane asylum. In fact, that's really all we do here; just drive each other insane. We keep repeating the same shit over and over until one person finally snaps, and everybody agrees and moves onto something else. Then the whole fucking cycle repeats itself. We're all stuck in the Loony Bin and nobody can escape because we just keep feeding into each other's crippling mental illness. And I don't know if I can fucking take it anymore, one of these days I'm just going to lose every last bit of san- Lol I mean me too thanks.
ah yes reddit, the epitome of I think what they think because what they think cannot possibly be wrong if it has a big number of upvotes
DJ Enetro
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DJ Enetro

abraker wrote:

I think what they think because what they think cannot possibly be wrong if it has a big number of upvotes
This type of thinking is kinda... dangerous, isn’t it? Why would majority opinion = “absolute truth”?
abraker
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abraker

DJ Enetro wrote:

abraker wrote:

I think what they think because what they think cannot possibly be wrong if it has a big number of upvotes
This type of thinking is kinda... dangerous, isn’t it? Why would majority opinion = “absolute truth”?
Hivemind is reddit in a nutshell, well per subreddit
Achromalia
347 posts
Joined November 2016
Achromalia

DJ Enetro wrote:

I see. Well then.
abraker, I have a few questions for you:
  1. How much do you think you want to help yourself?
  2. What are your main motivations for thinking that way?
  3. Given that it is possible to be motivated either by a single strong motivation or many small ones, are there any you place more worth on and why?
honestly I don't care if this was meant specifically for abraker, I kinda just want to answer these 'cause why not OwO

I don't really know. I can "think" of anything. I don't really have a way of gauging what I feel about keeping myself alive or how much I care about making sure I get the things I want. Overall, I'd say I don't really want to help myself, in the sense of that difference between "not liking" and "disliking", and being on the neutral "not liking" side.

My main motivations for why I have little to no motives? Little to none. If anything, its an instinctive will to keep on surviving, and a lack of will to end my own life, due to the lack of reason or triggers that would make me give a shit about doing so.

Well, your third question doesn't really mention the possibility of having apathy, and at best it's very indirect and implied. Again, you wont really care. What motives can you value if none of them have value? You could say "not caring" is a motive in itself, that perhaps why you don't do things is because you don't care or don't have a motive to, but I guess there is something I can weigh that with: Active, and inactive motives.

Active motives are proactive reasons that make you do something, inactive ones will be why you don't do something. Try not to mistake that with having inactive ones as a reason to... lets say, "rebel" against something, since that is more of an active decision.

Just giving my pointless input OwO
VINXIS
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VINXIS
Ok Good 4 U this is how i deal with bein shit (6th panel on thje 2nd page of the picture)

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