Strangely, after SakuraIIDX opened some threads asking about Lunah's ban, he got PERMANENTLY BANNED for apparently no reason, isn't this abusing of power ? we're all annoyed, you're just banning randomly our FRIENDS without any reason and without giving us a proof or something; this is pure dictatorship, NOW, WE ARE ASKING FOR AN EXPLANATION, don't fucking close this topic, and talk if you dare
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hi lunah
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Good preconcept broIppE602 wrote:
watch out peppy, the italian mafia is onto you!
gtfo
Sakura Hana is here, watchout! She/he's coming to lock this thread 
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(There's nothing we can do if you trust your cheater friends over what peppy says, if you dont want to believe us be that way, but that wont change the reality.
Sakura Hana wrote:
How many times has it been, you guys should learn to read:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=65850
Any bans appeals should be directed to osu@ppy.sh
viewtopic.php?p=1165115#p1165115
This isnt power abuse, im just telling you guys the correct way of handling things, rather than just post and post and post threads that will end up with the same fate regardless of who's the moderator that does it.
Edit: on and in the first link it says screenshots/videos wont prove anything.
Edit 2: I'm only locking this thread since it's regarding Lunah's ban, you're free to discuss other things if u want as long as it doesn't turn into drama or flamewars
peppy wrote:
I went out of my way to write an announcement with regards to logic/rules behind cheating/foul play bans as I knew there would be some repercussion. Please go re-read this announcement, as it would seem from the nature of this thread that many of you haven't yet read it.
yes i am and for obvious reasonsmirquez wrote:
Sakura Hana is here, watchout! She/he's coming to lock this thread
I get that English isn't your first language, but you do kind of need to read that one thing peppy posted and then subsequently linked to regarding the "post proof" argument
as long as you say "post proof" you're demonstrating that you don't actually know what you're talking about
as long as you say "post proof" you're demonstrating that you don't actually know what you're talking about
ampzz
osu! is actually fairly lenient towards people who have cheated or their friends who may have known that they cheat.
In my old FPS community anybody who was found to have cheated or harboured (known that [user] cheated but still continued playing with them) cheaters within their team would be banned (permanently) without a very slim chance at redemption.
The reason I know this is because I was a member of the administration and anti-cheat teams
We would also publicly list the newly banned cheaters every month or two.
I have never once found banning people who openly and publicly discuss about their own ban or someone they know to be an abuse of administrative powers, it's fairly logical really. You are not supposed to create threads in regards to the aforementioned bans so isn't it as simple as people not following the rules?
If people are banned, they have a way to discuss this out (in a civilised matter) with the correct individuals, it's not that hard...
Wall of text aside and tl;dr version:
Use some common sense and don't openly discuss about bans from osu! in the forums, use the right tools which are available to you.
In my old FPS community anybody who was found to have cheated or harboured (known that [user] cheated but still continued playing with them) cheaters within their team would be banned (permanently) without a very slim chance at redemption.
The reason I know this is because I was a member of the administration and anti-cheat teams
We would also publicly list the newly banned cheaters every month or two.
I have never once found banning people who openly and publicly discuss about their own ban or someone they know to be an abuse of administrative powers, it's fairly logical really. You are not supposed to create threads in regards to the aforementioned bans so isn't it as simple as people not following the rules?
If people are banned, they have a way to discuss this out (in a civilised matter) with the correct individuals, it's not that hard...
Wall of text aside and tl;dr version:
Use some common sense and don't openly discuss about bans from osu! in the forums, use the right tools which are available to you.
*has nothing constructive to add*
I could have sworn this thread was locked the last time I saw it.
I could have sworn this thread was locked the last time I saw it.
awp probably unlocked it due to it being unjustified and what seemed to be an "iron-fist" approach with control.
directed towards SakuraIIDX
mm201 wrote:
The funny part is how you're hacking too~
Edit:This is interesting. I was considering writing my own Ouendan clone, until I discovered this one and how mature a project it already was. It's not very difficult to find, so I'd expect any half-decent coder (disgruntled cheaters don't count) would do the same.SakuraIIDX wrote:
and I'll enjoy when everybody will get off this fucking game or someone copy your idea, make it better and you will get fucked.
I didn't unlock the thread unless there's a bug in the Quick-Reply functionality. Let's find out!
EDIT: Yes, yes there is a bug in the Quick Reply function.
OTHER EDIT: Also I don't personally think the thread should be locked but all we're likely to get out of unlocking it is another geyser of ignorant babble
EDIT: Yes, yes there is a bug in the Quick Reply function.
OTHER EDIT: Also I don't personally think the thread should be locked but all we're likely to get out of unlocking it is another geyser of ignorant babble
lets give this another shot
i know you guys are angry at the apparent lack of proof over these bans, but think about it - if we were using it as an excuse to ban people who said things against us or that we don't agree with, why would we leave these threads in plain view, not wastelanded and open for all to read? the point is: we wouldn't. if we were power hungry tyrants, nobody would ever know about it simply because the people who would otherwise be around to assert the fact wouldn't be present in the community at all.
we're not trying to cover anything up. lunah is as much a cheater as the rest of them - all of his other actions precipitate to nothing in the face of the game flat out detecting him using cheats and submitting scores with them. there's no element of "i think lunah cheated" involved here - it is simply the truth.
i'm sorry that you feel ignored and betrayed. if any of you would ever like to discuss the situation in depth, hit me up ingame or through PM and i'd be more than happy to sit down with you and give you a brief overview of the situation.
i know you guys are angry at the apparent lack of proof over these bans, but think about it - if we were using it as an excuse to ban people who said things against us or that we don't agree with, why would we leave these threads in plain view, not wastelanded and open for all to read? the point is: we wouldn't. if we were power hungry tyrants, nobody would ever know about it simply because the people who would otherwise be around to assert the fact wouldn't be present in the community at all.
we're not trying to cover anything up. lunah is as much a cheater as the rest of them - all of his other actions precipitate to nothing in the face of the game flat out detecting him using cheats and submitting scores with them. there's no element of "i think lunah cheated" involved here - it is simply the truth.
i'm sorry that you feel ignored and betrayed. if any of you would ever like to discuss the situation in depth, hit me up ingame or through PM and i'd be more than happy to sit down with you and give you a brief overview of the situation.
1. This.Ephemeral wrote:
i know you guys are angry at the apparent lack of proof over these bans, but think about it - if we were using it as an excuse to ban people who said things against us or that we don't agree with, why would we leave these threads in plain view, not wastelanded and open for all to read? the point is: we wouldn't. if we were power hungry tyrants, nobody would ever know about it simply because the people who would otherwise be around to assert the fact wouldn't be present in the community at all.
2. I cannot think of any online game, professional or otherwise, that regularly posts proof of cheating when it bans somebody or provides them when asked. It's just not done for two reasons:
-a. Knowing how hacks are detected makes it much easier to circumvent the detection.
-b. Let's be honest; most of the lot would just accuse any pics/videos provided of being edited so there's no real point.
3. If they were power hungry tyrants I would've been banned years ago. I'd be the most obvious liar in the world if I said I never lost control of my temper. ;P
honestly io sono un gato
Lunah is annoying so I'd ban him 100 times if I were peppy.
Considering the fact that Italy isn't completely IP blocked, I wouldn't really call peppy a tyrant.
At this stage, I'd prefer to call peppy a tyrant for not IP blocking Italy.Shellghost wrote:
Considering the fact that Italy isn't completely IP blocked, I wouldn't really call peppy a tyrant.
Is it really necessary to defend Lunah insulting peppy? You all act like childish people, lol
Shohei Ohtani
You killed me.OzzyOzrock wrote:
honestly io sono un gato
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
BTW, It first happened on the beginning of November when he posts help about problems with adding ranked scores on Help and Support section.CDFA wrote:
I thought people stopped caring about Lunah's ban a long time ago, why is it suddenly all "WTF MAN. CONSPIRACY! ABUSE! COMMUNISM! AAAYYYOOO"
But they have to get over it and learn to understand the cheat Q&A list peepy made. I really doubt this will help also when people made a Livestreaming show to prove they're innocent because it might be the same as posting videos and photo to prove though.
We know y'all Italians miss Lunah on osu! But y'all just have to let it go, there's nothing the admins can do according to wait peppy wrote last month..
Hacking incident happens, y'all know.
this piece of thread with nonsense..
Weird thing, yes.
LMAO, nope.
Weird thing, yes.
LMAO, nope.
+1Maddy wrote:
meh ok fuck this
i lol'd so hardOzzyOzrock wrote:
honestly io sono un gato
how many times has Lunah been 'permanently banned', now?
more than enoughCuddlebun wrote:
how many times has Lunah been 'permanently banned', now?
yeah he should stop soonMaddy wrote:
more than enoughCuddlebun wrote:
how many times has Lunah been 'permanently banned', now?
Lunah, fuck off and take your shitty friends/tagalongs with you. Thanks.
before all y'all hate on him, how can you be 100% sure that he did cheat? I doubt the detection system is 100% accurate (?)
mathexpert9981 wrote:
before all y'all hate on him, how can you be 100% sure that he did cheat? I doubt the detection system is 100% accurate (?)
Okay... Now we're gonna give Lunah some good laughs if he keeps it up. 
:-D
:-DYou know, peppy is providing a service to us for FREE.
We are not paying for the services with supporter, as it clearly states on the supporter page:
As he has said several times himself. If you cannot trust his judgement then perhaps you should reconsider having a program which he created installed on your computer.
We are not paying for the services with supporter, as it clearly states on the supporter page:
"Please note that you are not paying for extra features. You are donating and any extras that come as a result are not considered to have a monetary value"If peppy one day wakes up and decides that he doesn't want to pay lots of money to keep the servers up just so a group of people can bitch at him and complain constantly, then no one can stop him and no one should stop him for he has done far more for us than any of you seem to appreciate.
As he has said several times himself. If you cannot trust his judgement then perhaps you should reconsider having a program which he created installed on your computer.
under normal circumstances, nothing really interferes with osu!'s core resources in such a fashion that cheating does. it is immediately obvious when a user is cheating, and there is no guesswork involved.mathexpert9981 wrote:
before all y'all hate on him, how can you be 100% sure that he did cheat? I doubt the detection system is 100% accurate (?)
you simply can't trigger a false positive for the system that is currently in place. you have to be deliberately trying to cheat in order to set it off.
hello win32 apiEphemeral wrote:
under normal circumstances, nothing really interferes with osu!'s core resources in such a fashion that cheating does. it is immediately obvious when a user is cheating, and there is no guesswork involved.mathexpert9981 wrote:
before all y'all hate on him, how can you be 100% sure that he did cheat? I doubt the detection system is 100% accurate (?)
you simply can't trigger a false positive for the system that is currently in place. you have to be deliberately trying to cheat in order to set it off.
inject hooks into all processes to detect readprocessmemory?????
Lunah has uploaded the video to his youtube account (lesslunatic), where everybody can see that he's not cheating... In my mind, it's really plausible proof... Lunah-sama always tried so hard for the osu community, so you, peppy, should be thankful...
Even if Lunah really cheated (but i'm pretty sure it's not so), you should forgive him and give him a second chance. That's all i want to say.
Even if Lunah really cheated (but i'm pretty sure it's not so), you should forgive him and give him a second chance. That's all i want to say.
I thought he got banned for FL cheats? Why is he playing double time ~.~
I can use cheatsMarKKaM wrote:
Lunah has uploaded the video to his youtube account (lesslunatic), where everybody can see that he's not cheating... In my mind, it's really plausible proof...
I can record a video of me playing osu!
I can choose to do either of these activities simultaneously or separately
???????????????????????????
Lunah is already amazing player, he's one of the most high-skilled players in osu community. So, what is the point for him to cheat? I thought, that cheats are only necessary if you're a totally noob.awp wrote:
I can use cheatsMarKKaM wrote:
Lunah has uploaded the video to his youtube account (lesslunatic), where everybody can see that he's not cheating... In my mind, it's really plausible proof...
I can record a video of me playing osu!
I can choose to do either of these activities simultaneously or separately
???????????????????????????
Awp, do you have any proofs that Lunah is cheating, or it's just because Peppy said so?
You thought wrong then. Anyone has the capacity to cheat, regardless of skill level.
There is no point for him to cheat. There's no point for anyone to cheat. There's nothing to actually unlock in osu!; you get all of its content regardless of "how far into the game" you are, or "how good you are". Apart from treating it as an academic exercise in software development, I don't see why anyone would bother trying it - using tools that someone else made would be completely pointless in my eyes.MarKKaM wrote:
So, what is the point for him to cheat? I thought, that cheats are only necessary if you're a totally noob.
Awp, do you have any proofs that Lunah is cheating, or it's just because Peppy said so?
I have about as much proof of Lunah cheating as I have of Lunah not cheating - none. That's not my department. It has nothing to do with me.
Well let's bring something from the ace attorney series then, even if you can prove that Lunah isnt cheating ->right now<- on a video, you cant prove that he didnt cheat way back then when he made the scores.
Hey, just bringing something old that's kinda relevant here
and he didn't get banned after posting that, either. So... Yeah, about peppy being thankful to Lunah, not really.
and he didn't get banned after posting that, either. So... Yeah, about peppy being thankful to Lunah, not really.
The less you care about a game, the people running it, and the community backing it, the more likely you are to cheat.