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Rantai
Hey, the dead isn't supposed to speak.
Salvage
i'm leaning towards krzy right now cause he posted like nothing d1 and didn't say anything important, on the other hand rantai did the exact opposite that was post a lot of important things, and that couuld be a really nice mafia play so i have no idea right now.




i do find the title of the thread a bit interesting tho.
Rantai
Oh didn't notice it until you pointed it out.

Clever NoHItter and his word play.
Salvage
well krzy, then you will just stay quiet and let the lynch be or you want to say something? i assume you already know that you'll lose on both situations (town or mafia) if you just don't say nothing so let's expect something good for you, no need to end the day before the deadline anyways.
KRZY
I love how everyone is like "hey let's lynch KRZY because he never says something!"
KRZY

Salvage wrote:

i'm leaning towards krzy right now cause he posted like nothing d1 and didn't say anything important, on the other hand rantai did the exact opposite that was post a lot of important things, and that couuld be a really nice mafia play so i have no idea right now.


Post counts at D1:



5:8. I wouldn't say that is the difference between 'posting like nothing' and 'posting a lot of important things.' Salvage you wasted half your posts RVing and restating your questions, don't think you've been a super important Town person because you've been posting a lot. I've answered Rantai's question about who I was going to shoot if I were mafia, I've given my reasons why, and I pointed out that we gotta lynch someone D1 (although it seems that Rantai did earlier). I'm sick of people saying "HEY LET'S LYNCH KRZY HE MAKES NO CONTRIBUTIONS!" when it's not the truth. Seriously.

Scumpaint me better next time, Salvage.

vote: salvatge
Salvage
actually i never rv so there goes half your post.



and i wasn't expecting you to get so emotional, i wasn't taking rantai off the list but you being that emotional makes it a lot easier.


and btw, i don't get that scumpaint term at all .. isn't it part or the game krzy?.




anyways the postcount doesn't even matter, the only thing you did in the entire thread was answer to rantai post and that's like nothing at all,


and lastly : "don't think you've been super important town person because you've been posting a lot" rofl..
Salvage
actually i think i won't change my mind now and that if rantai it's mafia he'd just hammer me and win so yeah


vote : KRZY
KRZY

Salvage wrote:

anyways the postcount doesn't even matter, the only thing you did in the entire thread was answer to rantai post and that's like nothing at all,
Congratulations, in addition to contradicting your last post, you've just roleclaimed Mafia. Can't do it any better than that, downplaying what would have been the only lead we have after N1 (unfortunately it didn't turn out that way).

Salvage wrote:

well krzy, then you will just stay quiet and let the lynch be or you want to say something? i assume you already know that you'll lose on both situations (town or mafia) if you just don't say nothing so let's expect something good for you, no need to end the day before the deadline anyways.
This was posted seven hours after the Day began. SEVEN. Are you serious? Do you expect me to be waiting for the night to end so I can post before I go to bed? Looks like an attempt to rush me into posting to me.

Also, when I say half of your posts have been RVing and restating your questions, I mean that half of your posts have been completely meaningless. You did make a lot of useless posts when we were in the RV phase:

Salvage wrote:

yeah i am sherlock

Salvage wrote:

i used to have a teammate called blackfire on cs 1.6




but then i took an arrow in the knee
Not to mention your blatant misrepresenting/driving of DxS to be lynched.

Salvage wrote:

and i wasn't expecting you to get so emotional, i wasn't taking rantai off the list but you being that emotional makes it a lot easier.
Again, misrepresentation.

Everything you are throwing at me is total bullshit. I am making my point clear with examples, you are just talking shit.
KRZY
Actually, unvote. While I'm 99.99% sure that you are Mafia, voting at this stage gives a free win to Rantai on the 0.01% chance that he is Mafia. We need to look at his response to all this before we vote, and I suggest you do the same too if you are Town.
Salvage
unvote
Salvage
why so mad krzy
Salvage
anyways


KRZY wrote:

Congratulations, in addition to contradicting your last post, you've just roleclaimed Mafia. Can't do it any better than that, downplaying what would have been the only lead we have after N1 (unfortunately it didn't turn out that way).

downplaying what? rofl .. i just said that it was useless from you to just answer that one question another person did and not contribute anything else at all to the game


KRZY wrote:

This was posted seven hours after the Day began. SEVEN. Are you serious? Do you expect me to be waiting for the night to end so I can post before I go to bed? Looks like an attempt to rush me into posting to me.
of course you don't, you just send the night kill and afk like a boss, you already know who's gonna die, and don't need to even check it.



KRZY wrote:

Also, when I say half of your posts have been RVing and restating your questions, I mean that half of your posts have been completely meaningless. You did make a lot of useless posts when we were in the RV phase:

Salvage wrote:

yeah i am sherlock

Salvage wrote:

i used to have a teammate called blackfire on cs 1.6




but then i took an arrow in the knee
Not to mention your blatant misrepresenting/driving of DxS to be lynched.
he didn't want to contribute to the game and actually said it, you are trying to hide it but failing at it pretty bad, he alone pushed for his own lynch, the other posts were cause backfire acused me trying to seem smart swiftstyle and the other one was cause of my typo and explaining why it was.




KRZY wrote:

Everything you are throwing at me is total bullshit. I am making my point clear with examples, you are just talking shit.

you're just throwing stuff to yourself sir.
Rantai
Hmm here's my thoughts so far on both of you;

KRZY

- I can understand the not being here and not posting as often as he'd like part, it's happened to me a lot. So I don't take that as scum or town.

- However Salvage does have a point where the only significant thing that you posted on D1 was the answer to my question, that wasn't a repeat. Yes, it was important at the time but other than that, nothing was brought to the table.

- Being defensive/lashing out is a large scum tell for me. It means frustration of not being to deflect in my eyes. Also if meta is involved you acted a similar way in lovers and turned out scum but using meta is on the lower end of the priority scale.

- The unvote came off more town than anything, recognising the potential quick hammer. I'm not sure whether to take it as mafia feigning town or a quick thinking town.

Salvage

- The reason I was leaning town for him was because of the anomaly. (Hypothetically) What I figure is that KRZY shot Backfire leaving KRZY and I 'clear' as we have each other as targets leaving Salvage to be the odd one out (ie he targeted me but no one targeted him). With an odd one out it would be easier to use that argument against him. I may have over analysed it but that was the only thing I could extract from that information.

- Salvage has been actively scum hunting/painting for most of the game (not that much filler to be honest). However he has painted both Backfire and DxS using only pressure, who both turned out town. This can go either way though so I'm not exactly sure how to take it.

- Most of the arguments that Salvage has brought up actually make sense to me making me lean further to him being town in my eyes.

In the end I'm still leaning KRZY as mafia and Salvage as town after going through both your posting. If my analysis isn't over analysed then I wouldn't put it past KRZY to come up with something like that. (also because I'm fairly certain if Salvage was mafia he would have shot me because the wifom could have been extended over both of you* and I believe that Salvage is more straightforward)

Edit:*
Rantai
Be back in a bit.
Salvage
sure, even tho we didn't vote i think i won't change my mind about KRZY and he probabbly won't change his about me so you're on the kiddo situation.
Rantai
Back.

Hrm not this again. I'm still tossing it up but knowing me, whenever I change feelings I always get it wrong...
Salvage
then don't



can't be clearer than now anyways
Rantai
Ugh fine.

Vote: KRZY

I hope this was the right choice.
KRZY
aww come on rantai, share me some love :<
KRZY
lemme post something after i finish my math hw and get some sleep. It'd be nice if I'm not lynched by then.
Rantai
Alright, I'll give you the chance.

Unvote
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Deadline is in around 24 hours.
KRZY
I'll make sure I post this afternoon, shitload of schoolwork...
KRZY
posting in minutes
KRZY
All right let's try this. Thank you for waiting.

Salvage

Salvage wrote:

sure.


i won't rv cuase it's useless guys, also the best idea d1 it's no-lynch, either way we shouldn't rush on it

Salvage wrote:

analysis on why is better to do no lynch d1 and lynch someone d2 blablabla



oh nice there is rantai, thanks a lot in advance ranty cya later guys
Could be seen as pushing the worst move in the game, and scummy. Could also be seen as someone who didn't read carefully into the setup and made the mistake of stating what is usually true in small setup games, but not this one.




Didn't give a reason for his choice, asks DxS for his reason, and then votes on him after only 6 hours. The reason part is understandable if he implied that he has the same reason that I gave for wanting to nightkill Rantai if I were mafia. However, even though DxS was being all emo and making the worst town moves, seems like Salvage here was rushing the vote.


Salvage wrote:

are you really saying that u'd shoot him being mafia cause he voted for you?

Salvage wrote:

are you saying that you're willing to probabbly misslynch either KRZY or me and make it easier for the mafia to avoid killing any of us?
Then comes his questioning of Backfire and DxS, which were all valid but pretty aggressive, until DxS decided to be an ass and get lynched.

Now comes the fun part. With DxS down, the "who I would nightkill" info looked like:

Rantai - KRZY
Salvage - Rantai
Backfire - DxS
KRZY - Rantai

Here, if Salvage was mafia, his best move would have been to shoot me, drive Rantai as mafia (it's all WIFOM and shit but considering Backfire was the remaining town member he would have had a good shot at doing so), and get the win. NK'ing Rantai would have been a bad option because he claimed he would shoot Rantai if he were mafia. Neither happened, and Backfire came up dead. What to make of it? Not sure.


Salvage wrote:

i'm leaning towards krzy right now cause he posted like nothing d1 and didn't say anything important, on the other hand rantai did the exact opposite that was post a lot of important things, and that couuld be a really nice mafia play so i have no idea right now.




i do find the title of the thread a bit interesting tho.

Salvage wrote:

well krzy, then you will just stay quiet and let the lynch be or you want to say something? i assume you already know that you'll lose on both situations (town or mafia) if you just don't say nothing so let's expect something good for you, no need to end the day before the deadline anyways.
Again, he starts rushing, although it was not as bad as how he rushed DxS. In the exchange of posts that followed,

Salvage wrote:

actually i think i won't change my mind now and that if rantai it's mafia he'd just hammer me and win so yeah


vote : KRZY
This was the only bad move that he made (aka voting), although I made an identical bad move and we were quick to unvote. I still think he gave no reason other than that "KRZY never posts" which wasn't even true.

Rantai
Started the game by asking everyone who they would nightkill, which was a good way to start the game and probably adapted from Wojjan's similar question on lyncher mafia a bit earlier.

Pointed out there was absolutely no need to nolynch after Salvage made two posts saying no lynch is best option D1.

Voted for DxS who was well-lynched D1.

Pointed out on D2 that he was disappointed the question he asked on the previous day could not offer us much valuable information, expressed his opinion that he slightly thinks Salvage is town, and came back after Salvage and I voted for each other to assess the situation.

After the analysis, voted me. This could have been a big scumtell since I had just mentioned that any wrong vote could give mafia an instant win, and voting any of the two at that stage would have pretty much ensured the win for Rantai if he was mafia. Salvage and I were pretty much convinced that each other was mafia, and it is highly likely that any of us will have followed the vote after Rantai had made his decision. On the other hand, if Rantai was town, he should not have voted so quickly, as the 50% chance he had at the time could have increased by looking at our reactions to his analysis.

However, after I ask for more time, he unvotes. This is more town than anything he has done in this game, since if he was mafia there would be no reason for him to unvote. Just keep the vote, wait for Salvage to hammer, and bring the win home. Why risk Salvage and I turning on him when he can get the easy win? But he unvotes because, as town, he needs every single piece of information he needs before he can make a decision.

Conclusion
I see that I have printed myself pretty well as mafia. In addition to lashing out at Salvage a little bit too early and a little bit too strong, I made the mistake of voting prematurely, which I was quick to correct but still would have been very, very dangerous. However, I feel I did not make any moves that qualify as scummy other than my reaction to Salvage on D2; I have contributed when I can.

I think Salvage is mafia. I would vote Salvage, but I am not making the same mistake again. I need to see both of you's reaction to this post before I vote.
Salvage
my "no lynch" suggestion d1 was because as i hate mini-games, i'm clrearly not good at them .. and i said i'd wait for an analyzis for Rantai on it right when i saw him online anyways.



about how i acted at DxS and Backfire i don't see any wrong about it and i never will cause that's the way i play.


lastly the vote against you was because you already had voted me and it was useless to not do the same even if rantai was mafia .. cause he would just pick anyone and win (in case i didn't vote he would just hammer me anyways), then when you unvoted i did the same cause it was the logic thing to do on both cases.


about rantai i'm leaning towards him being town but just because he aported like 10 times more than you and the several chances he had to win and didn't took them (if he was mafia), but nothing else to go more than that.
KRZY
Deadline is in 8 hours. What do
KRZY
If Rantai is mafia, the best thing for him to do would be to wait until the last minute to throw a vote to whoever has been voted. Equally attractive to him is a no-lynch, which also gives him the win.

As much as we want to avoid voting, someone has got to start it. I will give him until I sleep to post (which is roughly 1~3 hours before deadline), and if he does not post anything until then, I am voting for Rantai. Otherwise, I will see what he posts and make my decision.
Salvage
fair enough, i'll wait for him to post too .. i find it hard to believe that he's mafia but nothing is for a fact here anyways, no informative roles zzzzzzzzzzz
Rantai
Sorry guys, I tried to stay awake until you both returned (~11am for me, I only made it to 9am D:)

Valid point on my vote, I shouldn't have been talked into making that hasty choice based on my previous failures.

Though you have given me more to think about in terms of Salvage, especially the no-lynch push (somehow I missed that). Though he did explain it off but that could go either way.

I still think KRZY may be mafia though but I'm a lot less sure now. So far Salvage has played town (see previous post) on the most part for me but after seeing him talk me into doing a quick vote, I'm not so sure anymore. On the other hand KRZY has been fairly quiet the whole game until accused, this could be reactionary but from either direction. But this discussion generation is telling me town, especially the willingness to exercise caution in voting.

It's really hard to sift through all this without an informative role.
KRZY
Wow this air

so hard to make that vote lool
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Deadline is in around 4 hours.
Salvage
wow i almost overlsept



i'll vote before the deadline since i see you both are online
Salvage
well anyways i'm on the same situation as before but with some more information to believe KRZY it's mafia



and i'm saying that cause he's post it's like really trying to paint me with pictures and everything, extremely elaborated on my part of the post and like 1 paragraph of just words on Rantai's part .. like trying to convince Rantai that i'm mafia cause ofc he knows that's easier to get out with.




vote KRZY
Rantai
Vote: KRZY

We're out of time.
Salvage
ok game over, were u mafia rantai?
KRZY
LOL I missed the party by like 30 mins.

I was town. Who was mafia?
Rantai
Salvage.

One of you finally voted when I was awake.
Salvage
damn u rantai
Chris_old
salvage is the new kiddo

krzy is the new swiftwolf
Salvage
IM NOT THE NEW KIDDO


everyone would have made the same vote than me lol
Jinxy
We should have a thread to record these things down
KRZY
dude Chris you scare me lol do you follow all games that go on?
Chris_old

KRZY wrote:

dude Chris you scare me lol do you follow all games that go on?
yes especially towards the end
Rantai
His meta gathering skills shine.

:P
Salvage
i do the same lol .. especially cause they kill us for being too good at the beginning
Topic Starter
NoHitter
FINAL VOTE COUNT:
KRZY (2) - Salvage, Rantai
====================================
Not Voting (1) - KRZY

Both Rantai and KRZY agreed that Salvage had to be the one killing everyone. He was the one who had the key to the weapons cache in which the shotguns came from. Salvage just replied that he had lent the key a couple of days ago.

Salvage said that Rantai had borrowed the key, and that was the last he saw of it. KRZY and Salvage looked at Rantai with suspicion.

Rantai replied that they had it wrong. He returned the key to Salvage, and only used it to jimmy the lock of his suitcase. He hadn't even opened the cache, nor did he know what guns were inside.

Salvage replied cautiously. It couldn't have been him. He didn't know how to use a shotgun. In fact, he would have preferred to use the Tommy Gun instead. The Tommy Gun's spamming capability would suit his bad aim more.

Rantai quickly replied that it was impossible for him to have used a Tommy Gun anyway, there weren't any Tommy Guns in the cache. Salvage smiled as Rantai realized what he just said. Rantai had just basically admitted that he saw the cache when he claimed he didn't.

Quickly, Rantai jumped over the Backfire's dead body and took the shotgun from the wall on the right. He quickly reloaded it and fired a shot towards Salvage, but as Rantai wasn't adept at using guns, it missed Salvage, but...

With a bang, KRZY fell on the floor, dead.

KRZY - Explorer - Lynched - Day 2

Salvage quickly made a dash for the other shotgun. He grabbed it and attempted to reload, but it apparently had no ammo left. At that moment, he realized it was too late. Rantai only placed spare ammo in the shotgun he was holding.

With a bang, Salvage fell on the floor, dead.

Salvage - Explorer - Endgamed - Day 2

Rantai was ecstatic. Now this tomb will be safe with all treasures intact. He would have to contact the Nation Museum after he dealt with the bodies.
Rantai - Archeologist - Survived - Day 2

MAFIA WINS!
Topic Starter
NoHitter
Roles/Actions should be simple given the outcomes.

Notes:
Rantai did a great scum play, but I did notice some differences in his town play with his scum play.
Hurray for some new meta analysis.

Also can I say that he puilled a great "bmin" on Salvage and KRZY,
He was the one basically the least suspicious.
Salvage
damnnn no ammo shotgun .. so close ranty
Rantai
I have bad aim :<
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