2017-10-10 21:48 Mini Gaunt: Hi, would you be interested in doing a testplay? Its 7k
2017-10-10 21:48 ZeroCalamity: ok
2017-10-10 21:48 Mini Gaunt: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1437403 Caravan Palace - Lone Digger (Ragtime Piano Cover)]
2017-10-10 21:49 ZeroCalamity: oh nice song choice
2017-10-10 21:49 Mini Gaunt: thanks owo
2017-10-10 21:53 ZeroCalamity: fun map
2017-10-10 21:53 ZeroCalamity: I like it
2017-10-10 21:53 ZeroCalamity: biggest problems are:
2017-10-10 21:53 Mini Gaunt: thanks
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: lack of structure
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: not enough clear patterns
2017-10-10 21:54 Mini Gaunt: ok
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: so it's harder to read and plays like a convert
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: similar to like
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/839569 Excision & Pegboard Nerds - Bring The Madness (Noisestorm Nightcore Remix)]
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: then
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: you need to playtest more
2017-10-10 21:54 ZeroCalamity: patterns don't have enough flow
2017-10-10 21:55 ZeroCalamity: this is closely related to lack of structure
2017-10-10 21:55 Mini Gaunt: yeah, I have been gathering testplays from others because I am not really good enough to play it
2017-10-10 21:55 ZeroCalamity: usually fixing one means the other will be much better
2017-10-10 21:55 ZeroCalamity: yeah
2017-10-10 21:55 ZeroCalamity: gj on mapping it that well since you can't play it
2017-10-10 21:55 ZeroCalamity: then
2017-10-10 21:55 Mini Gaunt: thanks!
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: you need to think a little bit about how the fingers move
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: and not overdo each hand
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: when you move the chords
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: that kind of thing is very hard
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: to map and to play
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: ex: /np
2017-10-10 21:56 Mini Gaunt: is putting single key jacks on 1 or 7 too much in general?
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/699696 shiraishi - True Millennium Queen]
2017-10-10 21:56 ZeroCalamity: nah
2017-10-10 21:56 Mini Gaunt: because I avoided doing those
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: it's better than 2 and 5 actually
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: but ... in moderation
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: outer fingers get tired more
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: spacebar is very hard
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: spacebar is hardest*
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: and thumb isn't good for jacking
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: but you didn't overdo it much there
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: best to spread it out
2017-10-10 21:57 ZeroCalamity: either evenly or with a slight bias to pointer and middle finger imo
2017-10-10 21:58 ZeroCalamity: but look at the patterns and think about how readable they are
2017-10-10 21:58 ZeroCalamity: making them more organised, structured could help
2017-10-10 21:58 Mini Gaunt: is it a good idea to switch from a left hand chord to a right hand chord with a space bar note?
2017-10-10 21:58 ZeroCalamity: can you give example, not sure what you mean
2017-10-10 21:59 Mini Gaunt: so having 123 4 567 with as 1/4ths in the map
2017-10-10 22:00 ZeroCalamity: yeah thats fine
2017-10-10 22:00 ZeroCalamity: kind of depends which hand you have spacebar on
2017-10-10 22:00 ZeroCalamity: not sure which one would be harder
2017-10-10 22:00 Mini Gaunt: yeah, somoneone mentioned they play left hand space bar and had some trouble
2017-10-10 22:00 ZeroCalamity: but it's similar to chordstreaming so you should be good
2017-10-10 22:00 Mini Gaunt: since left and right hand are seperated in the map
2017-10-10 22:01 ZeroCalamity: mhm
2017-10-10 22:01 ZeroCalamity: I'm left hand spacebar
2017-10-10 22:01 ZeroCalamity: also
2017-10-10 22:01 ZeroCalamity: you have a big section of just using 1 [23] repeating
2017-10-10 22:01 ZeroCalamity: it's annoying because your thumb doesn't play anything
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: and then when it has to, it's not ready
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: so maybe add variety there
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: and last thing
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: you have a resource usually people don't have
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: a scrolling midi picture of the notes
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: so you can use that to maybe adjust some chord sizes
2017-10-10 22:02 ZeroCalamity: like
2017-10-10 22:02 Mini Gaunt: yes, it has been really helpful with the mapping process
2017-10-10 22:03 ZeroCalamity: 00:30:125 -
2017-10-10 22:03 ZeroCalamity: you did that well
2017-10-10 22:03 ZeroCalamity: keep thinking of more ways to use that
2017-10-10 22:04 ZeroCalamity: and different ways
2017-10-10 22:04 ZeroCalamity: you'll get a long way like that
Implemented2017-10-10 22:06 Mini Gaunt: I see
2017-10-10 22:06 Mini Gaunt: Thanks a lot for all the input though
2017-10-10 22:06 ZeroCalamity: np np
2017-10-10 22:19 ZeroCalamity: hey
2017-10-10 22:19 ZeroCalamity: I found a thing or 2 more
2017-10-10 22:20 Mini Gaunt: throw 'em at me
2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: ok another thing you can do, is ctrl H some parts that you made
2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: that repeat
2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: so you have more balance for diferent spacebar users
2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: 01:20:931 (80931|3,80931|6,80931|0,80931|5,80931|4,81052|4,81052|5,81052|3,81052|6,81173|1,81173|2,81294|6,81294|4,81294|5,81294|3,81415|0) -
Fixed, and flipped a couple parts2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: patterns like these
2017-10-10 22:20 ZeroCalamity: so both kinds of players get the chord experience
2017-10-10 22:21 Mini Gaunt: Oh, I never thought about that
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: it's a cool way to map faster and better
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: just don't overuse
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: anyway
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: patterns that are kinda hard
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: just so you get the idea
2017-10-10 22:21 ZeroCalamity: 01:27:705 (87705|4,87705|5,87826|4,87947|5,88068|4) -
2017-10-10 22:21 Mini Gaunt: hey if you want to post in my beatmap thread:
t/652159 I can give you some kudosu for the time you are spending on this map
2017-10-10 22:22 ZeroCalamity: 02:09:560 (129560|5,129560|4,129681|5,129681|4,129802|5,129802|6) -
Fixed,2017-10-10 22:22 ZeroCalamity: ok
2017-10-10 22:22 ZeroCalamity: I will
2017-10-10 22:22 ZeroCalamity: 02:15:125 -
2017-10-10 22:22 ZeroCalamity: 02:15:971 (135971|2,135971|4,136092|4,136092|2,136092|3,136213|4,136213|2) -
Fixed,and implemented2017-10-10 22:23 ZeroCalamity: it's pretty much
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: if they look nice
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: they're probably easier to play
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: not always
2017-10-10 22:24 Mini Gaunt: hmm
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: but at least they're probably easier to read
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: and sometimes that's not the point
2017-10-10 22:24 ZeroCalamity: but if you want to make it as fun as you can
2017-10-10 22:25 Mini Gaunt: I played alot of bms converts so I played a lot of easy to read hard to play maps
2017-10-10 22:25 ZeroCalamity: ah
2017-10-10 22:25 ZeroCalamity: yeah I kinda get the feel of that
2017-10-10 22:25 Mini Gaunt: and a lot of years in music makes me care about the pitches of every note/chord/instrument
2017-10-10 22:26 Mini Gaunt: its not a good combination xd
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: hahah
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: pitch relevancy is cool
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: but hard to implement
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: usually best to put it when you have low density patterns
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: and when playability is not an issue
2017-10-10 22:26 ZeroCalamity: cus pitched patterns are sometimes very awkward
2017-10-10 22:27 Mini Gaunt: yeah, thats true, I should stop worrying about it when doing the chord jack sections
2017-10-10 22:27 ZeroCalamity: yeah
2017-10-10 22:27 Mini Gaunt: its a good baseline at least
2017-10-10 22:27 ZeroCalamity: playability is the most important
2017-10-10 22:27 ZeroCalamity: and testing gives you playability