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Hobbes2 wrote:

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another-

check ai-mod yo
00:44:718 (1,2,3) - rhythm here is kinda bad, 00:45:093 - should be clickable as a downbeat here (just listen to the music and you'll notice it as a very important beat), try this http://puu.sh/yqZnT/82352c13ef.jpg i was being edgy and following the left hand (which plays where my clicks are) B) prefer to keep.
01:12:093 - map this? The double is kinda awkward to play ? theres nothing there. and it doesnt matter if the player reflexively plays a triple since theres nothing after it either lol.
01:51:374 (4) - again, rhtym here is kinda sloppy. Add a circle here 01:51:374 - and start the reverse slider on the downbeat. I also suggest doing something to make 01:51:843 - clickable, perhaps fill out the rhythm there (which means mapping 01:51:936 - ) changed it a bit. i dont think making everything clickable is a good way to go about mapping a lower diff, the simplfication is alright imo.
02:02:905 (10,11,12,1) - not a big fan, in a lower insane like this players arent really expected to click this kind of rhythm or be able to read it. I think using a repeating 1/6 slider is better. made it a triple.
https://pastebin.com/raw/ThD9ikrz
Topic Starter
polka

Hobbes2 wrote:

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unsnapped kiai check aimod :arrow:fixed

hyper-

00:21:843 (5,1) - spacing being this low is kinda odd, why not space it regularly? something like 00:23:343 (2,3) - 's spacing :arrow:fixed.
00:39:093 (6) - NC :arrow:^
00:49:218 (5,1) - ya again, and this really slight touching looks kinda ugly tbh, a slight gap would be a loot better imo. :arrow:^
01:15:093 (1) - the ending of this slider doesnt make sense, either end it on 01:15:843 or...well i think thats about it. The piano sound after doesnt really go on a specific beatsnap divisor :arrow:Lands on loudest part of the sound. Keeping
01:53:155 (2,3,4) - completely inaudible (5%) which is unrankable. pls fix :arrow:fixed


black another-

00:24:093 (1,2,3) - should be 1/6, not 1/4 :arrow:fixed
00:43:218 (3,4) - if 3 is a 1/4 slider, i think 4 should be as well. :arrow:Agree but it messes with flow too much
01:40:593 (1) - spaced alternating rhythm is quite challenging on its own, consider starting this off unspaced and then making it start being spaced here to set the player up better. Its also their first time tapping 1/3 in this diff like this after all. :arrow:Its 1/3 snap which is much slower and we've seen this more traditionally represented with a spaced stream. I would move this closer but it messes with the stream shape too much. I'll get more opinions on this.
01:49:968 (3) - spacing a stream like you do in the kiai while its only the calm part is quite questionable. I would considering nerfing the spacing a lot and using repeating 1/4 sliders; no need to have it be the same difficulty as the kiai in the calm part. :arrow:I don't see what's calm about this part at all actually. The piano playing is absolutely vigorous.
02:09:186 (1) - this is weird, theres no sound on the blue tick that deserves being clickable, but there are sounds on 02:09:374 - and 02:09:093 - :arrow:fixed
02:12:843 - make this a 1/6 repeating slider starting on this tick, since that's what it is in the music :arrow:^

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00:24:655 (2,3,4) - should be 1/6 :arrow:fixed

yeah like I told you in irc my biggest gripe with this map is the fact that the 1/4 jumps are SO SO big. like, they're actually kinda absurd in parts. Especially considering the diff below has no diffs, theres some debate that the spread has an issue. but my concern isn't the spread atm. It's just how crazy some of these 1/4 jumps are.

00:44:718 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - is huge, and the angle is extremely akward to land. :arrow:^
01:50:249 (4,1,2) - a big big for this section and quite awkward to land :arrow:^
02:04:218 (9,10,11,12,1) - this movement is very uncomfortable to play :arrow:I can land this fine every time I play it. Odd movement helps emphasize here imo

01:15:093 (1,2,3,4) - should be 1/6 :arrow:fixed
02:12:843 (5,6) - 1/6 also :arrow:^

I think if you got some more testplays on this top diff you could improve it a lot. Ask some people for plays and get feedback on which of the 1/4 jumps works and which don't.
Thanks for all your help!!
Noffy

Uta wrote:

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  1. 01:00:843 (2,3) - use the same flow as 00:59:343 (2,3) - should be better that way they're like, already the same though? o.o
  2. 01:45:093 - use extended slider that end here 01:45:843 - new players dont like hitting blue tick after a big stop First of all, it's on a purple tick. Secondly, I think having the additional time between helps to emphasize the isolated harshness of the notes on 01:46:093 (1) - and that I doubt it would be so hard to play, no change.
ailv
sorry late mod thanksgiving op

extreme

00:39:843 (4,1,1) - nc here is weird

01:00:093 (1,2) - add emphasis here to match since earlier u break flow 00:58:593 (1,2) -
01:04:593 (1,2) - ^

01:01:405 (10,11) - remove this since u don't use any other 1/4 jump in this section

01:10:780 (2,3,4) - spacing a bit large here imo

here 01:30:093 (3,4) - u ignore the bg piano so i don't t hink 01:25:593 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - needs to be so dense

01:49:968 (1,2,3,4) - prolly should have lower spacing than 01:50:624 (4) -


black another

not a problem its just kinda weird how this diff doesn't use the bottom much compared to the rest

00:19:218 (5) - split into two sliders? 00:19:405 - is rlly strong

00:54:093 (1,2) - kinda weak spacing here

01:46:093 (7) - rlly strong sound on slider end here clickable works better imo

02:02:249 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - only sharp angled stream, i think it'd make more sense both aesthietically and playabilityh to keep it curved like the rest

02:12:093 (1) - imo this is kinda ugly shape

another

01:07:405 (9,2) - overlap

01:15:093 (4,5,1) - fix nc to match same as higher diffs
02:12:093 (5,6,1) - ^

hyper

01:43:217 (4) - snap

00:59:155 (3,4,5,1,2) - this pattern feels too visually dense

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uh ur green lines are doubled
Reynolduh
hi late mod i blame my holiday trip
thats one weird bg
ithink all diff need to end on same note. pls fix this. correct me if im wrongf
classical music makes me want to jump off a building

beginner
00:46:593 (1) - ctrl j?
01:40:593 (1) - spinner must have at least 4 beat rest time for beginner
01:49:968 (1) - ^

normal
01:15:843 (1) - extend spinner enmd tyo 01:15:843 (1) -
01:49:968 (1) - spinner in normal must have 3 beat rest time

another
00:24:843 (4) - blanket can be improved. use hitcircles

cannot take clasical music head explodes.
modding skills has died over the past week
Noffy

ailv wrote:

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uh ur green lines are doubled wtf... fixed by removing a ton of timing points whee

Reynolduh wrote:

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01:15:843 (1) - extend spinner enmd tyo 01:15:843 (1) - ok
01:49:968 (1) - spinner in normal must have 3 beat rest time
uh
  1. >ranking criteria
    1. >osu
      1. >normal
        1. >guidelines
          1. >"Spinner recovery time should be at least 2 beats."

So no, it does not have to be 3 beat rest. It is a guideline it should be at least 2. Additionally, there is one bar rest immediately following the 2 objects after the spinner, so the player will have plenty of time to recover before playing the more dense objects. no change.
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Topic Starter
polka

ailv wrote:

sorry late mod thanksgiving op

extreme

00:39:843 (4,1,1) - nc here is weird :arrow:I need it for the slider slow down haha

01:00:093 (1,2) - add emphasis here to match since earlier u break flow 00:58:593 (1,2) - :arrow:Not sure I understand.
01:04:593 (1,2) - ^ :arrow:^

01:01:405 (10,11) - remove this since u don't use any other 1/4 jump in this section :arrow:01:07:218 (8,9,10,11,1) - ?

01:10:780 (2,3,4) - spacing a bit large here imo :arrow:adjusted.

here 01:30:093 (3,4) - u ignore the bg piano so i don't t hink 01:25:593 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - needs to be so dense :arrow:Think I fixed.

01:49:968 (1,2,3,4) - prolly should have lower spacing than 01:50:624 (4) - :arrow:Done.


black another

not a problem its just kinda weird how this diff doesn't use the bottom much compared to the rest :arrow:Players wont care about it

00:19:218 (5) - split into two sliders? 00:19:405 - is rlly strong :arrow:Yeah but Im trying to keep the density lower.

00:54:093 (1,2) - kinda weak spacing here :arrow:For emphasise to 00:54:843 (3) - .

01:46:093 (7) - rlly strong sound on slider end here clickable works better imo :arrow:Really too hard to read.

02:02:249 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - only sharp angled stream, i think it'd make more sense both aesthietically and playabilityh to keep it curved like the rest :arrow:Its because 02:02:718 (8,9,10) - sounds different.

02:12:093 (1) - imo this is kinda ugly shape :arrow:Its a curve ??

another

01:07:405 (9,2) - overlap

01:15:093 (4,5,1) - fix nc to match same as higher diffs
02:12:093 (5,6,1) - ^

hyper

01:43:217 (4) - snap :arrow:finxed

00:59:155 (3,4,5,1,2) - this pattern feels too visually dense :arrow:Maybe

normal

uh ur green lines are doubled
Topic Starter
polka

Reynolduh wrote:

hi late mod i blame my holiday trip
thats one weird bg :arrow:fits tho
ithink all diff need to end on same note. pls fix this. correct me if im wrongf :arrow:another doesnt have to because its a gd
classical music makes me want to jump off a building :arrow:why lol

beginner
00:46:593 (1) - ctrl j? :arrow:Ehhh I like how this looks
01:40:593 (1) - spinner must have at least 4 beat rest time for beginner
01:49:968 (1) - ^

normal
01:15:843 (1) - extend spinner enmd tyo 01:15:843 (1) -
01:49:968 (1) - spinner in normal must have 3 beat rest time

another
00:24:843 (4) - blanket can be improved. use hitcircles

cannot take clasical music head explodes.
modding skills has died over the past week
:arrow:lol what. Aslo ya they have this was kinda ass especially considering what I gave you.
Monstrata
went on vacation so this took a while, sry!!. about hitsounds i'll copy them later, still debating whether to use my own or not since i don't really like additive customs. more a personal preference tho~

please use my name on gd thx :D

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Uta
finally, a monstrata gd
Topic Starter
polka

Uta wrote:

finally, a monstrata gd
?
Shirayuki-chan
I hope this beatmap will finish sooner~! :):):):):)
Topic Starter
polka

Shirayuki-chan wrote:

I hope this beatmap will finish sooner~! :):):):):)
waiting patiently ouo
Lulu-
hi m4m with monstrata, smol mod

[general]

00:12:093 - unsnapped kiai
02:09:093 - ^
check aimod for more stuff
[diff]

00:17:999 (4,1) - the movement you chose for these two is great, but they could do a better job at representing the song's rising intensity if you were to increase the spacing on them

00:59:155 - after seeing you go all out on the first major kiai, the others just seem somewhat disappointing in terms of utilizing what the song offers to its fullest. while i do think that the first one is kinda overdone and needs some 1/4 sliders to make it play more fluently, this one needs some more work put into using some of the potential they have. both the volume and intensity just really call for something more powerful, considering how quiet the instruments in the first kiai were

01:01:593 (1) - isn't this offscreen

01:15:093 (1,2) - these sound more like 1/6s than 1/4s and changing them wouldn't make them feel particularly heavy either

01:31:593 (1,2) - the transition to 1/3 here seems a bit unintuitive to me, as you don't really have an indicator that makes it seem like the following section is snapped in 1/3. what i'd do here is to go with 1/3 reverses similar to what you did in the rest of the part

01:53:343 - consider increasing the hs volume, this is barely audible. a quick personal suggestion would be to increase the volume with each circle on 01:54:843 (1,2,3) -

02:12:093 (1,2) - same as above

this is some really cool stuff tbh, gl!
SquareTude
mostrata m4m

00:31:218 (3) - Feel like this one should be away from 00:30:468 (1,2) - these two as it is quite different
00:34:593 (1,4) - is this overlap intentional?
00:49:593 (1) - This one should be clickable since it's way louder than 00:50:718 (3) - which is a circle.
01:11:718 (1,2,3,4) - has bigger spacing than 02:08:718 (1,2,3,4) - but it's sounding exactly the same.
01:26:343 (1,3) - should definitely have bigger spacing than the rest of those circles https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132240
01:45:093 (3) - ugly, only slider like that in whole map
02:05:718 (2,3,4) - Isn't this too close to 02:05:343 (1) - ? 01:08:718 (5,6,7) - Overe here you have it spaced further away from the slider that was before it.

:):):)
Monstrata
@Lulu-

01:31:593 (1,2) - the transition to 1/3 here seems a bit unintuitive to me, as you don't really have an indicator that makes it seem like the following section is snapped in 1/3. what i'd do here is to go with 1/3 reverses similar to what you did in the rest of the part I think the transition is fine, so i just added an NC for combo color change.

Fixed the rest

@SquareTude

00:31:218 (3) - Feel like this one should be away from 00:30:468 (1,2) - these two as it is quite different I think they play fine as they are so i don't really want to distinguish it
00:34:593 (1,4) - is this overlap intentional? yes
00:49:593 (1) - This one should be clickable since it's way louder than 00:50:718 (3) - which is a circle. i like it better as a sliderend
01:11:718 (1,2,3,4) - has bigger spacing than 02:08:718 (1,2,3,4) - but it's sounding exactly the same. the pitch is higher
01:26:343 (1,3) - should definitely have bigger spacing than the rest of those circles https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/10132240 I prefer the current spacing i dont want to make the distinction here because its a simple section of the song
01:45:093 (3) - ugly, only slider like that in whole map curved it better
02:05:718 (2,3,4) - Isn't this too close to 02:05:343 (1) - ? 01:08:718 (5,6,7) - Overe here you have it spaced further away from the slider that was before it. fixed.



buffed the kiai and adjusted the hitsounding to fit my diff better.

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409,211,126655,1,8,0:0:0:0:
236,148,126843,6,0,P|216:173|207:203,1,63.7500024318696,6|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
349,105,127124,1,0,0:0:0:0:
349,105,127218,1,8,1:2:0:0:
287,210,127405,1,8,0:0:0:0:
427,91,127593,70,0,P|415:61|394:38,1,63.7500024318696,6|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
409,211,127874,1,0,0:0:0:0:
409,211,127968,1,0,1:0:0:0:
349,105,128155,1,8,0:0:0:0:
287,210,128343,5,4,0:0:0:0:
291,230,128436,1,0,0:0:0:0:
296,251,128530,1,10,0:0:0:0:
300,272,128624,1,2,0:0:0:0:
365,319,128718,5,2,0:0:0:0:
391,301,128811,1,0,0:0:0:0:
422,295,128905,1,0,0:0:0:0:
453,300,128999,1,2,0:0:0:0:
480,317,129093,6,0,L|472:394,1,63.7500024318696
384,237,129374,5,2,0:0:0:0:
384,237,129468,2,0,L|392:314,1,63.7500024318696,2|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,316,129749,5,0,0:0:0:0:
300,316,129843,2,0,L|294:380,1,63.7500024318696,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
204,236,130124,5,2,0:0:0:0:
204,236,130218,2,0,L|212:313,1,63.7500024318696,2|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
120,315,130499,53,0,0:0:0:0:
120,315,130593,2,0,L|113:378,1,63.7500024318696,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
22,235,130874,5,2,0:0:0:0:
22,235,130968,2,0,L|27:286,1,31.8750012159348,2|0,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
119,155,131155,2,0,L|113:205,1,31.8750012159348
19,43,131343,5,2,0:0:0:0:
21,64,131436,1,0,0:0:0:0:
23,85,131530,1,0,0:0:0:0:
26,107,131624,1,0,0:0:0:0:
99,82,131718,5,2,0:0:0:0:
97,71,131811,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,60,131905,1,2,0:0:0:0:
95,50,131999,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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318,331,132843,2,0,L|339:333,3,21.2500008106232,0|0|0|0,0:2|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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Topic Starter
polka
sweet! LETS PUSH!!!!

waiting for sotarks : )
Sotarks
hi

general
aimod
01:48:749 - 01:49:124 - can you check snapping here? I think should be 1/4? not 1/3? some diffs use 1/3 some use 1/4 so not consistent
also please check all diffs you have kiai unsnapped and some tags and countdown conflicts, get that fixed.

monstrata's extra
00:30:468 (1,2,3,1) - not the same spacing?
02:01:030 (4,5,6) - move 5 more to the right? angle is plays bad here, and too close to 02:01:968 (3) -

extreme
00:17:905 (6,7,1) - 1/4 jump here would be cool, or something like what Monstrata did?
00:21:843 (3) - shorten to 1/1? you are skipping piano notes on 00:22:405 -
00:32:905 (5,1) - too big for this section man
01:10:780 (2,3,4) - why the extra spacing on 4? sounds the same as 01:09:280 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) -
01:13:874 - triplet here?
01:54:093 (1) - better to map the piano. playing a spinner to those piano notes on 01:54:843 - is questionable...

black another
00:04:221 (3,4) - really big for a quiet section... its even bigger than 00:08:718 (7,1) -
00:25:593 (1) - should end on white tick no?
01:15:093 (1,2) - should be 1/6

nao's another
00:11:717 (7,8) - 2 repeats beginning on white tick?
00:44:905 (2,3,4) - why this is so easy compared to stream earlier? and on red tick instead of white?
01:12:093 - forgot a slider here?
01:15:093 (4,5,1) - 1/6 slider instead? since this is 1/6 same with 02:12:093 (5,6,1) -
01:38:093 (2) - nothing here dude

back me call
Topic Starter
polka

Sotarks wrote:

hi

general
aimod :arrow:fixed
01:48:749 - 01:49:124 - can you check snapping here? I think should be 1/4? not 1/3? some diffs use 1/3 some use 1/4 so not consistent :arrow:fixed
also please check all diffs you have kiai unsnapped and some tags and countdown conflicts, get that fixed. :arrow:fixed

monstrata's extra
00:30:468 (1,2,3,1) - not the same spacing?
02:01:030 (4,5,6) - move 5 more to the right? angle is plays bad here, and too close to 02:01:968 (3) -

extreme
00:17:905 (6,7,1) - 1/4 jump here would be cool, or something like what Monstrata did? :arrow:fixed
00:21:843 (3) - shorten to 1/1? you are skipping piano notes on 00:22:405 - :arrow:mapping strings.
00:32:905 (5,1) - too big for this section man :arrow:fixed.
01:10:780 (2,3,4) - why the extra spacing on 4? sounds the same as 01:09:280 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) - :arrow:increase in pitch.
01:13:874 - triplet here? :arrow:fixed
01:54:093 (1) - better to map the piano. playing a spinner to those piano notes on 01:54:843 - is questionable... :arrow:fixed

black another
00:04:221 (3,4) - really big for a quiet section... its even bigger than 00:08:718 (7,1) - :arrow:fixed
00:25:593 (1) - should end on white tick no? :arrow:fixed
01:15:093 (1,2) - should be 1/6 :arrow:fixed

nao's another
00:11:717 (7,8) - 2 repeats beginning on white tick?
00:44:905 (2,3,4) - why this is so easy compared to stream earlier? and on red tick instead of white?
01:12:093 - forgot a slider here?
01:15:093 (4,5,1) - 1/6 slider instead? since this is 1/6 same with 02:12:093 (5,6,1) -
01:38:093 (2) - nothing here dude

back me call
Thank you!

Waiting on nao and monstertata
Monstrata
@Sotarks. First one, I want the slider to be emphasized a bit thats whyt he spacing changes
Second one, agree, moved it more to the right, thanks!
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