Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen - Tuy Am · forum

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Title:Tuy Am
TitleUnicode:Túy Âm
Artist:Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen
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Creator:Yamicchi
Version:Asuka_-'s Hard
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huywewe123

3 posts

Joined October 2014

huywewe123 2017-09-26T15:31:48+00:00

rabked this map pls

Jemzuu

600 posts

Joined February 2016

Jemzuu 2017-10-04T10:12:36+00:00

ayyee this is pretty dope

Osatia

272 posts

Joined November 2015

Osatia 2017-10-05T01:50:23+00:00

Hope you're better

General

You need a Normal diff (but I think you know that already)
Take "drunk" out of tags unless there is an actual reason that is needed.
Add "Asuka_- to tags.
Remove green line at 00:03:239 - as there is no real reason for it.

Easy

00:47:132 (5) - Why do you have this slider as a repeat? It would suit better to take off the repeat, especially since the other repeats always have a clap on where the repeat starts such as 00:49:951 (2) -
00:52:769 (4) - You could turn this into a 1/2 slider so you can cover both claps, as it seems weird to only map one.
01:37:870 (3) - Why even map this? There is no significant sound except the "eh" in the music, which doesn't even sound like it should be mapped to. It would work better without the circle imo.
01:44:313 (3) - As I said above. I feel these shouldn't be mapped and that the map would feel better without them, having those being a tiny break feels much better.
01:44:716 (4) - Why not nc this? It's completely different sound then the rest of the kiai before.
02:50:756 - This should be an nced circle like you did at 01:59:212 (1) - imo

Asuka_-'s Hard

00:29:011 (1,2,3,4) - These aren't all the same sound, which doesn't make sense as you set this pattern up and used the same slider for each 1/2. Like 00:29:816 (3) - should be a circle and then 00:30:219 (4) - should be deleted as there isn't any sound here (Why did you map it?) So even if you don't change the sliders atleast change the pattern as it makes it seem as if they are all the same or similar sounds although they aren't.
00:30:219 (4,1) - Incorrect blanket, I will point them out but won't show a picture of how it should look like as it should be self-explanatory.
I think 00:34:649 (3) - and 00:35:051 (4) - should be 2 circles for each instead of 2 1/2 sliders, if you are following the vocals it makes sense for 2 circles and if you're following the instruments it also makes sense.
00:38:675 (3) - This seriously doesn't look good, the angle and the way it's slightly curved is not visually pleasing at all. Please either curve it more or fix the angle.
01:31:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - This is seriously confusing. The ds just confuses the player and the long string of circles doesn't play nicely, and I don't even think mapping that is necessary, you could just not map that and leave it as a kind of break. If you really want to maybe make a repeating 1/1 slider for
01:31:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
01:40:186 - Delete this greenline as it affects nothing.
01:40:991 - Delete this greenline.
01:44:212 - Delete this greenline. You should see where this is going, go through the map and delete all unused greenlines.

Insane

00:53:977 (2) - I know you can make this slider look much better.

Nice diff

Desperate Tears

00:41:092 (1,2,1,2) - Why aren't these the same size when they aren't different sounds?

I did irc for top diff already so sorry for not that much, good mapset and good luck!

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2017-10-05T10:52:32+00:00

Waku wrote:
Hope you're better

General

You need a Normal diff (but I think you know that already)
Take "drunk" out of tags unless there is an actual reason that is needed.
Add "Asuka_- to tags. will work on tags once Normal is finished
Remove green line at 00:03:239 - as there is no real reason for it. lazy
Easy
00:47:132 (5) - Why do you have this slider as a repeat? It would suit better to take off the repeat, especially since the other repeats always have a clap on where the repeat starts such as 00:49:951 (2) - vocal supports repeat slider though
00:52:769 (4) - You could turn this into a 1/2 slider so you can cover both claps, as it seems weird to only map one. kay
01:37:870 (3) - Why even map this? There is no significant sound except the "eh" in the music, which doesn't even sound like it should be mapped to. It would work better without the circle imo. not really want to skip the beat there
01:44:313 (3) - As I said above. I feel these shouldn't be mapped and that the map would feel better without them, having those being a tiny break feels much better.
01:44:716 (4) - Why not nc this? It's completely different sound then the rest of the kiai before. that is actually the same sound without instrument so ya I don't think it deserves a NC
02:50:756 - This should be an nced circle like you did at 01:59:212 (1) - imo slider represents stream so nah
Insane

00:53:977 (2) - I know you can make this slider look much better. it looks nice though ;w;

Nice diff
Desperate Tears

00:41:092 (1,2,1,2) - Why aren't these the same size when they aren't different sounds fixed?
I did irc for top diff already so sorry for not that much, good mapset and good luck!

Thanks :3

Asuka_-

1,459 posts

Joined February 2016

Asuka_- 2017-10-05T13:41:06+00:00

Waku wrote:
Hope you're better

Asuka_-'s Hard
00:29:011 (1,2,3,4) - These aren't all the same sound, which doesn't make sense as you set this pattern up and used the same slider for each 1/2. Like 00:29:816 (3) - should be a circle and then 00:30:219 (4) - should be deleted as there isn't any sound here (Why did you map it?) So even if you don't change the sliders atleast change the pattern as it makes it seem as if they are all the same or similar sounds although they aren't.
here is calm part. and this is hard diff. 2 circles dont match.
00:30:219 (4,1) - Incorrect blanket, I will point them out but won't show a picture of how it should look like as it should be self-explanatory.
I think 00:34:649 (3) - and 00:35:051 (4) - should be 2 circles for each instead of 2 1/2 sliders, if you are following the vocals it makes sense for 2 circles and if you're following the instruments it also makes sense.
same reason.
00:38:675 (3) - This seriously doesn't look good, the angle and the way it's slightly curved is not visually pleasing at all. Please either curve it more or fix the angle. keep for now
01:31:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - This is seriously confusing. The ds just confuses the player and the long string of circles doesn't play nicely, and I don't even think mapping that is necessary, you could just not map that and leave it as a kind of break. If you really want to maybe make a repeating 1/1 slider for
here is exciting part before kiai time, so 1/1 slider doesn't suit imo. bit changed spacing of them
01:40:186 - Delete this greenline as it affects nothing. uhe
01:40:991 - Delete this greenline. uhe
01:44:212 - Delete this greenline. You should see where this is going, go through the map and delete all unused greenlines. uhe

Thanks~

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Annex

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Annex 2017-10-18T13:55:32+00:00

smol mod u asked to post here lol, though only little

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20:19 Yamicchi: hey James do you have time for a short mod please?
20:19 Agent_James: Sure
20:19 *Yamicchi is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1413768 Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen - Tuy Am]
20:19 Yamicchi: thanks first :3
20:20 Agent_James: Forums or just here?
20:22 Yamicchi: either is fine
20:24 Agent_James: /np
20:24 *Agent_James is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1413768 Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen - Tuy Am [Desperate Tears]]
20:24 Agent_James: 00:34:649 (3,4,5,6) -
20:25 Agent_James: why is the spacing different
20:25 Agent_James: on the last circle
20:25 Yamicchi: the pitch though
20:25 Yamicchi: i would move 4 a bit so it looks clearer
20:27 Agent_James: 01:30:219 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - U know this is painful to play XD
20:27 Yamicchi: can't think of anything better xd
20:28 Agent_James: 01:21:964 (5,1) - I would give this a little more spacing
20:28 Agent_James: like the others
20:30 Yamicchi: done
20:36 Agent_James: 02:27:803 (1) - I feel like this could look better owo
20:37 Yamicchi: ;-; kay fixing it
20:39 Agent_James: owo
20:39 Agent_James: lol
20:39 Agent_James: it plays smooth already
20:39 Agent_James: i like it
20:41 Yamicchi: thanks :3~
20:45 Yamicchi: oh can you post the mod on thread?
20:46 Agent_James: But i didnt mod much ;-;
20:47 Yamicchi: it's k
20:47 Yamicchi: a little help is appreciated
20:51 Agent_James: 00:51:561 (1,2) - I think this should be a slider because of the heavy drum only knock once
20:51 Agent_James: unlike this 00:52:769 (2,3)

good luck

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

_DT3 2017-10-20T10:47:37+00:00

A mod as requested ^^

[General]

Might wanna add "Asuka" to tags so that users can search for the GDer more easily

[Easy]

00:51:561 (3) - It is easily noticeable in-game that it's copy-pasted from the previous slider, however it is also noticeable that 00:48:340 (1) - isn't exactly copied from the other slider (when being similar musically). It seems kinda off because it's a concept you never really use in your map (although you do copy-paste sliders, they never are copied onto the other slider other than here 02:12:098 -). Also, (1) is noticeably less intense than (3) so it's weird that their sliderpaths are just copy-pasted. I would recommend you find some other slider shape for 00:51:561 (3) - and move it around a bit even if it seems a bit nazi, it doesn't feel that unimportant imo.
01:57:199 (3,4) - Visual spacing seems pretty weird between the circle and slider body. Might wanna flip 01:57:602 (4,5,1) - like this to create some sort of blanket and to even out spacing.

[Normal]

Those 1/2 chains are really long, and it's fine at this BPM I guess. It just feels like a massive step up from the easy. However the object spread in the bottom diffs seems fine, so it's fine but might cause some trouble.
01:33:441 - I get that you wanted to emphasize stuff like this 01:36:662 (1) - with the stacks, however I really doubt that they are really readably because you use different ways of expressing 1/2s which players at Normal level won't really be accustomed to. It's fine from a mappers perspective but also just something to look out for
01:46:326 (1,2,3) - 01:52:769 (1,2,3) - As opposed to the thing above though, these don't really fit in with the other stacks imo since stuff like 01:54:380 (7) - and 01:49:548 (1) - is more worth emphasizing with the stacks than 01:46:729 (3) - 01:53:172 (3) - . I think unstacking those mentioned stacks would be just fine too and match with the rather high intensity of 01:52:769 (1,2,3) - . Example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9355131
02:24:984 - Just realized that this entire section is mapped with stacks though. Meh, it's fine then I guess but I don't really agree with the stacking here either because stuff like 02:26:595 (7) - has the same intensity and strength as 02:26:192 (5,6) - . But unstacking here would be a too much of a difficulty increase. So do what you want xd

[Asuka_-'s Hard]

01:31:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 01:33:441 (1,2,3) - Only thing to really complain about in this diff but it's pretty minor compared for the diff xd. These hitcircles could be hard to read since first you stack 1/2s then you stack 1/4s which might not immediately be readable, but it's fine
Looks good to me!

[Insane]

01:22:971 (3) - Isn't stuff like this unrankable? Just maybe ask for opinions maybe because it seems alright but:
Ranking Criteria wrote:
When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in
Brilliant xd

[Desperate Tears]

00:34:649 (3,4,5,6) - This type of placement isn't really used in the diff where spacing decreases like that even when the pitch of the instruments does drop. I suggest just spacing them equally. Correct me if I'm wrong though
02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same as in Insane but again, might be wrong
There might be some complaints about spacing maybe being too high for the 1/4s but they're fine, well done!

As expected, a quality map from Yami, GLLLLL!

meii18

3,577 posts

Joined October 2013

meii18 2017-10-20T11:07:32+00:00

here to clarify this:

_DT3 wrote:
01:22:971 (3) - Isn't stuff like this unrankable? Just maybe ask for opinions maybe because it seems alright but:
Ranking Criteria wrote:
When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in

that's actually true but depends on the AR which the diff uses let's say or on the time of 01:22:165 (1) - 's fading out in our case i testplayed the respective pattern and 01:22:971 (3) - is perfectly readable as i can see because before reaching 01:22:971 (3) -, 01:22:165 (1) - is completely fading out so there's no any problem here
same goes for 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in desperate tears they're readable so no problem here even if the diff uses AR 9.2 but the previous sliders are completely fading out before the second pair fades in

hope i was understandable enough no kds obviously

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

_DT3 2017-10-20T11:16:58+00:00

ByBy wrote:
here to clarify this:

_DT3 wrote:
01:22:971 (3) - Isn't stuff like this unrankable? Just maybe ask for opinions maybe because it seems alright but:
Ranking Criteria wrote:
When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in
that's actually true but depends on the AR which the diff uses let's say or on the time of 01:22:165 (1) - 's fading out in our case i testplayed the respective pattern and 01:22:971 (3) - is perfectly readable as i can see because before reaching 01:22:971 (3) -, 01:22:165 (1) - is completely fading out so there's no any problem here
same goes for 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - in desperate tears they're readable so no problem here even if the diff uses AR 9.2 but the previous sliders are completely fading out before the second pair fades in

hope i was understandable enough no kds obviously

Ah ok, thanks!

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2017-10-21T13:25:52+00:00

_DT3 wrote:
A mod as requested ^^

[General]
Might wanna add "Asuka" to tags so that users can search for the GDer more easily nice catch
[Easy]
00:51:561 (3) - It is easily noticeable in-game that it's copy-pasted from the previous slider, however it is also noticeable that 00:48:340 (1) - isn't exactly copied from the other slider (when being similar musically). It seems kinda off because it's a concept you never really use in your map (although you do copy-paste sliders, they never are copied onto the other slider other than here 02:12:098 -). Also, (1) is noticeably less intense than (3) so it's weird that their sliderpaths are just copy-pasted. I would recommend you find some other slider shape for 00:51:561 (3) - and move it around a bit even if it seems a bit nazi, it doesn't feel that unimportant imo. all fixed
01:57:199 (3,4) - Visual spacing seems pretty weird between the circle and slider body. Might wanna flip 01:57:602 (4,5,1) - like this to create some sort of blanket and to even out spacing. nice idea
[Normal]
Those 1/2 chains are really long, and it's fine at this BPM I guess. It just feels like a massive step up from the easy. However the object spread in the bottom diffs seems fine, so it's fine but might cause some trouble.
01:33:441 - I get that you wanted to emphasize stuff like this 01:36:662 (1) - with the stacks, however I really doubt that they are really readably because you use different ways of expressing 1/2s which players at Normal level won't really be accustomed to. It's fine from a mappers perspective but also just something to look out for until now everything is fine imo
01:46:326 (1,2,3) - 01:52:769 (1,2,3) - As opposed to the thing above though, these don't really fit in with the other stacks imo since stuff like 01:54:380 (7) - and 01:49:548 (1) - is more worth emphasizing with the stacks than 01:46:729 (3) - 01:53:172 (3) - . I think unstacking those mentioned stacks would be just fine too and match with the rather high intensity of 01:52:769 (1,2,3) - . Example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9355131 that might be too much, and by using those stacks the rhythm chain as 01:47:937 (7,8) - those like this is more noticable and emphasized though
02:24:984 - Just realized that this entire section is mapped with stacks though. Meh, it's fine then I guess but I don't really agree with the stacking here either because stuff like 02:26:595 (7) - has the same intensity and strength as 02:26:192 (5,6) - . But unstacking here would be a too much of a difficulty increase. So do what you want xd 02:26:192 (5) - this does not have the same intensity I believe xd having them stacked is perfectly fine
[Insane]
01:22:971 (3) - Isn't stuff like this unrankable? Just maybe ask for opinions maybe because it seems alright but:
Ranking Criteria wrote:
When perfectly overlapping two slider bodies, the first slider must be fully faded out before the second slider is fully faded in
problem solved
Brilliant xd
[Desperate Tears]
00:34:649 (3,4,5,6) - This type of placement isn't really used in the diff where spacing decreases like that even when the pitch of the instruments does drop. I suggest just spacing them equally. Correct me if I'm wrong though well it's easy to see that there's no obvious pitch decreasing other than this one, so I don't feel like having the spacing decreased is something wrong
02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same as in Insane but again, might be wrong
There might be some complaints about spacing maybe being too high for the 1/4s but they're fine, well done!
As expected, a quality map from Yami, GLLLLL!

Thanks for the awesome mod >w<

nextplay

976 posts

Joined December 2015

nextplay 2017-10-21T14:46:25+00:00

as requested ewe

log about easy

15:28 Yamicchi: yo :3 do you take mod req?
15:28 My Angel Kanan: ye
15:29 My Angel Kanan: send mapu
15:32 *Yamicchi is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/1413768 Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen - Tuy Am]
15:32 Yamicchi: <3
15:50 My Angel Kanan: im back in some minutes
15:50 My Angel Kanan: then i will take a look
15:50 My Angel Kanan: owo
15:53 Yamicchi: kay owo
16:00 My Angel Kanan: im bakc
16:03 Yamicchi: wb
16:04 My Angel Kanan: ok
16:04 My Angel Kanan: first thing
16:04 My Angel Kanan: why hp3 on ez?
16:04 Yamicchi: why not?
16:05 My Angel Kanan: because hp3 is too high for beginners and they could fail more easily and hp3 is generally used in normal diffs under 2*
16:08 Yamicchi: there's a lot of Easy that has HP3 so I think it'd be fine
16:08 My Angel Kanan: oki
16:09 Yamicchi: xd
16:10 My Angel Kanan: 00:49:951 (2) - 
16:10 My Angel Kanan: maybe ctrl+g?
16:10 My Angel Kanan: so the transition into 2 will be better 
16:10 My Angel Kanan: with more linear flow 
16:11 My Angel Kanan: and the linear flow would break into 3
16:11 My Angel Kanan: which would give more emphasis to the vocal on 3
16:11 My Angel Kanan: because the vocal goes stronger there
16:13 Yamicchi: changed slidershape a bit
16:14 My Angel Kanan: 00:52:769 (4) - subjective af but maybe a circle here instead so it's easier to play?
16:18 My Angel Kanan: oh yea and hs volume 0% is unrankable :d
16:18 My Angel Kanan: even there is not even a object i guess
16:21 My Angel Kanan: 01:34:649 (3) - 
16:21 My Angel Kanan: this is maybe a bit confusing to click
16:21 My Angel Kanan: because the strong sound is on the blue tick
16:22 My Angel Kanan: 01:39:884 (1) - 
16:22 My Angel Kanan: sliderend should be clickable imo
16:22 Yamicchi: oh oops
16:22 Yamicchi: fixed volume
16:23 Yamicchi: the slider end is fine I guess
16:23 Yamicchi: it's not really necessary to have it clickable
16:24 My Angel Kanan: 01:59:212 (1) - 
16:24 My Angel Kanan: maybe change the angle from this one 
16:24 My Angel Kanan: to make like a triangle something different 
16:24 My Angel Kanan: to make it*
16:25 My Angel Kanan: and the angle change maybe gives more emphasis to the real vocal beginning
16:26 Yamicchi: um I have to go now, do you mind posting the rest on forum?
16:26 My Angel Kanan: sure
16:27 My Angel Kanan: i will post the log
16:27 My Angel Kanan: but maybe read it again
16:27 Yamicchi: sure fixed
16:27 Yamicchi: kay thanks :3
16:27 My Angel Kanan: you missed some points 
16:27 My Angel Kanan: no problem uwu
16:27 Yamicchi: I know
16:27 Yamicchi: uwu

other I noticed in easy
00:03:239 - this green line is unused and got deleted in normal only
bye

Kirylln

412 posts

Joined October 2015

Kirylln 2017-10-22T13:12:51+00:00

that girl is way too happy for this song

cries
01:31:427 (1) - is this a mistake, i mean the music doesn't change, not that significantly i think
01:34:649 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:41:092 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:47:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:53:977 (1,2,3,4,5) - would be better to have some kind of concept that seperates the vocal in (1) from the instrument, it just feels weird and empty being as it is right now since vocal is the only thing there, the others are fine tho since the drum leads in the instrument thingy quite smoothly. I'd recommend a 1/8 slider for the vocal, or maybe space it out a little
02:36:058 (2) - 02:36:461 (4) - mute tho? thats what the music is suggesting for me
02:39:884 (6) - nc? to make it consistent with other similar syths
02:37:971 (2) - either this is overmapped or im deaf... or maybe this crappy song's just fucking up itself over:dab:

in
aimod
00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - sth like this would work better imo
01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - not rlly a fan of this kind of grouping since it is obvious that the music doesnt support it, but it works i guess...kinda
why is this diff better?:thonkang:
hi

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2017-10-22T13:55:00+00:00

Kirylln wrote:
that girl is way too happy for this song

cries
01:31:427 (1) - is this a mistake, i mean the music doesn't change, not that significantly i think yea it's a mistake lol
01:34:649 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:41:092 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:47:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:53:977 (1,2,3,4,5) - would be better to have some kind of concept that seperates the vocal in (1) from the instrument, it just feels weird and empty being as it is right now since vocal is the only thing there, the others are fine tho since the drum leads in the instrument thingy quite smoothly. I'd recommend a 1/8 slider for the vocal, or maybe space it out a little changed stuffs
02:36:058 (2) - 02:36:461 (4) - mute tho? thats what the music is suggesting for me kay
02:39:884 (6) - nc? to make it consistent with other similar syths done
02:37:971 (2) - either this is overmapped or im deaf... or maybe this crappy song's just fucking up itself over:dab: it's easier to tab though, so why not

in
aimod sax ???
00:41:092 (1,2,3,4) - sth like this would work better imo nah, keeping the same pattern with the previous 4
01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - not rlly a fan of this kind of grouping since it is obvious that the music doesnt support it, but it works i guess...kinda i'm a fan owo
why is this diff better?:thonkang: no idea tbh
hi

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-10-25T15:32:18+00:00

Lets mod.

[Desperate Tears]

So I'll start with some patterning and aesthetics on the start of the map. There doesn't seem to be any planned visual spacing present within the section. New patterns are connecting in different ways. That doesn't lead to the patterns feeling like they're a part of the same section. For example 00:29:011 (1,2,3) - look how close visually the objects are here (3 and 2 are both equally spaced from 1 at a set low distance) while in here 00:30:622 (1,2) - 1 and 2 have bigger distance, while 00:31:427 (3) - is close to (1), much closer than (2) to (1). By having a section based on one visual distance all the parts will feel like a part of that same section.
00:32:233 (1,2,3) - More examples; medium spacing: 00:33:843 (1,2) - very low visual spacing with soon 00:34:649 (3) - bigger to follow. Usually you'd want to keep close objects at same visual distance within a section. If you agree it is up to you to readjust the pattern to all fit within same visual spacing; quick idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393676
00:35:454 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this patterning here bugs me a bit more, in a different way; 00:36:259 (3) - by placing it here https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393602 right in the middle of the two sliders, it feels like it connects, filling the gap between them. That way 3 objects currently visible will be spaced from each other visually like you did (or I think should) in the rest of the section. It should be done rather than having a seemingly unpleasant overlap on a style not based on overlaps.
00:37:870 (3) - this one feels out of place, as there is no visual connection between it and (2), resulting in empty placing imo. By doing something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393627 it will be close visually to both sliders, and make a more filled up pattern. Of course all adjustments are of your choice.
00:34:649 (3,4,5,6) - I haven't really seen such usage in the map. And I would advise not doing this on a slower part, since it looks really odd. What's more, the violin isn't changing it's intensity that drastically to call for reduced spacing on each subsequent circle. I saw it mentioned before in the thread too, but musically I don't think it's justified for this much difference.
00:31:427 (3,4,1) - Don't see any real need for big 1/4 spacing. It could get confusing with 00:32:233 (1,2) - being very similarly spaced. Also the section is really calm, so overlapped stuff should fit better imo.
00:40:488 (2,2,2) - Like you made a triangle here, good call would be to make it here too 00:40:689 (1,1,1) - .
00:48:340 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393711 placing it here would make it feel more spaceyyy. Between 3 notes it is a good idea to make them all spaced from each other if the first 2 are spaced. That way it gives off a better feeling of jumps / movement, and also imo aesthetics.
00:51:763 (2) - this seems to be mapped like 00:46:326 (4,5) - kick stacks, and I don't think it's a good idea to make vastly different notes mapped the same way. Also why is (2) even a circle, making (1) a slider should fit your map following vocals much more idk.
01:25:186 (5) - With it being as it is right now, very close to 01:25:790 (2) - it ruins the high visual spacing you're trying to achieve with 120 degree sliders in the subsequent pattern. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393756 placing it here should work wonders.
01:30:219 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - for this kind of placement, I'd suggest lower SV, about 1.8x since it is not going leniently and feels really uncomfortable having to ignore the pathing of the sliders. Either make the sv lower, or make the sliders lead to the others with their path. Also check 02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) below in mod before editing this.
01:34:246 (7) - Okay so there seems to be some inconsistencies relating this particular sound. Sometimes it is not even a slider, 01:37:467 (7) - sometimes a slow slider and sometimes 01:42:300 (6) - a 1/2 fast slider. If it were me, I would settle with it only being a circle, in order to make it much different than 01:35:253 (4) - 01:41:696 (4) - and other 1/2 sliders. By it being a circle, you will have space to work with unusual rhythm like 01:36:058 - this drum hit, and follow them without having to exit a slider. And another reason for making it a circle is because the following section has added hithats on regular 1/2 intervals, meaning they end on a hithat, while these end on nothing (mostly), so as a form of differentiation and intensity adjustment, I'd say once more insist you to go for circles here
01:39:481 (3) - Any reason why is this particular note the only 1/4 slider? I don't see this sound being that much different than the others in this combo for it only to be a 1/4 slider.
01:46:326 (1,2,3,4,5) - I feel like you're trying to follow the a bit more messed up 1/4's in the song compared to others, but this pattern is much too unusual for a bit messed up. You can do like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393986 S or Z stuff, which suits the 5stacks within the section much more. I don't think making it different as much as you did suits the song or the section tbh.
01:50:353 (1,2) - Don't understand at all why are these 1/4's, in the song it sounds just like pure hithats.
01:57:199 (8,9,10) - It is given the same spacing and placement like kicks 01:38:071 (1,2,3) - . Further more, I don't see it valid for 1/4 hithats to be this spaced tbh.
02:12:098 - In the map you always tend to go for different patterning and different shapes within one section on same sounds; like you did on this section 01:20:555 - so copy pasting stuff here doesn't feel like it's a part of this map. I suggest remap and think of new patterns on this particular section.
02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - jumps are bigger 02:20:152 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these two than the ones before the start of first chorus, but... 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - SV is lower on sliders even though you did everything you could before to make it more intense than the part before first kiai, bigger SV means more intense, so its contradictory at this moment. This'd be another argument to lower the SV on first part to 1.8x like I mentioned before.
02:26:394 (2,3,4,5,6) - I'm against going for such overlap heavy pattern when the rest of the patterns don't even have overlaps (mostly). It doesn't feel like a part of the same section.
02:43:709 (2,3,4) - You've used plenty of spaced 3 stacks for different sounds, so I don't think it also fits here. My idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9394136 ; because like this, you will have a bit uncomfy flow coming from (1), but still comfy since it's not spaced and just feels good idk.
02:44:112 (5,3) - This overlap, please.
02:25:790 (5) - Listen, I get the consistency of every new section starting with (5) not being a slider. But that kinda ruins the contrast a bit, since the same is done on less intense sections like 01:33:441 - . And I mentioned stuff about it how it should be just circles in that section. If you follow my advice then, for this kiai, the last one (since there are no hithats) it would be nice for every (5) to be made as 02:35:454 (1) - 02:41:897 (1) - etc. By dong that we get 3 parts, one which is the least intense with circles only on those sounds, second that has hithats on regular 1/2 intervals so its 1/2 sliders, and the third kiai which is the most intense having 3/4 sliders.

[Insane]
01:34:246 (7) - Again with this particular sound usage. In the first kiai it is done very arbitrarily. Sometimes being a circle, sometimes 1/2 sometimes 1/1. In the second and third kiai it is done consistently so I'd say adjust that in the first kiai to be all the same (preferably circles?). Of course I'm refering to idle ones without irregular rhythm 1/2 after them.

Anyways the other difficulties have appealing aesthetics to me, top diff could also use some little work on more important parts related to aesthetics by putting into mind what I mentioned, but it is on a decent level so fairly fixable. Get some more mods, and I'll recheck back eventually, and also nitpick what's left from those mods on lower difficulties.

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2017-10-29T01:45:15+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
Lets mod.

[Desperate Tears]
So I'll start with some patterning and aesthetics on the start of the map. There doesn't seem to be any planned visual spacing present within the section. New patterns are connecting in different ways. That doesn't lead to the patterns feeling like they're a part of the same section. For example 00:29:011 (1,2,3) - look how close visually the objects are here (3 and 2 are both equally spaced from 1 at a set low distance) while in here 00:30:622 (1,2) - 1 and 2 have bigger distance, while 00:31:427 (3) - is close to (1), much closer than (2) to (1). By having a section based on one visual distance all the parts will feel like a part of that same section. a bit adjustment
00:32:233 (1,2,3) - More examples; medium spacing: 00:33:843 (1,2) - very low visual spacing with soon 00:34:649 (3) - bigger to follow. Usually you'd want to keep close objects at same visual distance within a section. If you agree it is up to you to readjust the pattern to all fit within same visual spacing; quick idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393676
00:35:454 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this patterning here bugs me a bit more, in a different way; 00:36:259 (3) - by placing it here https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393602 right in the middle of the two sliders, it feels like it connects, filling the gap between them. That way 3 objects currently visible will be spaced from each other visually like you did (or I think should) in the rest of the section. It should be done rather than having a seemingly unpleasant overlap on a style not based on overlaps. till now I don't see a problem with it tbh.
00:37:870 (3) - this one feels out of place, as there is no visual connection between it and (2), resulting in empty placing imo. By doing something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393627 it will be close visually to both sliders, and make a more filled up pattern. Of course all adjustments are of your choice. I don't see much necessity in moving it there or anywhere else. As it flows fine, there's not much a problem about it.
00:34:649 (3,4,5,6) - I haven't really seen such usage in the map. And I would advise not doing this on a slower part, since it looks really odd. What's more, the violin isn't changing it's intensity that drastically to call for reduced spacing on each subsequent circle. I saw it mentioned before in the thread too, but musically I don't think it's justified for this much difference. for the entire section that's like the only place where pitch decrease gradually like that if you listen to the section carefully, and that's enough for me to make it a bit unique
00:31:427 (3,4,1) - Don't see any real need for big 1/4 spacing. It could get confusing with 00:32:233 (1,2) - being very similarly spaced. Also the section is really calm, so overlapped stuff should fit better imo. k
00:40:488 (2,2,2) - Like you made a triangle here, good call would be to make it here too 00:40:689 (1,1,1) - . done
00:48:340 (1) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393711 placing it here would make it feel more spaceyyy. Between 3 notes it is a good idea to make them all spaced from each other if the first 2 are spaced. That way it gives off a better feeling of jumps / movement, and also imo aesthetics. it doesn't change much so it's a no this time
00:51:763 (2) - this seems to be mapped like 00:46:326 (4,5) - kick stacks, and I don't think it's a good idea to make vastly different notes mapped the same way. Also why is (2) even a circle, making (1) a slider should fit your map following vocals much more idk. k
01:25:186 (5) - With it being as it is right now, very close to 01:25:790 (2) - it ruins the high visual spacing you're trying to achieve with 120 degree sliders in the subsequent pattern. https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393756 placing it here should work wonders. fixed
01:30:219 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - for this kind of placement, I'd suggest lower SV, about 1.8x since it is not going leniently and feels really uncomfortable having to ignore the pathing of the sliders. Either make the sv lower, or make the sliders lead to the others with their path. Also check 02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) below in mod before editing this. f
01:34:246 (7) - Okay so there seems to be some inconsistencies relating this particular sound. Sometimes it is not even a slider, 01:37:467 (7) - sometimes a slow slider and sometimes 01:42:300 (6) - a 1/2 fast slider. If it were me, I would settle with it only being a circle, in order to make it much different than 01:35:253 (4) - 01:41:696 (4) - and other 1/2 sliders. By it being a circle, you will have space to work with unusual rhythm like 01:36:058 - this drum hit, and follow them without having to exit a slider. And another reason for making it a circle is because the following section has added hithats on regular 1/2 intervals, meaning they end on a hithat, while these end on nothing (mostly), so as a form of differentiation and intensity adjustment, I'd say once more insist you to go for circles here 01:34:246 (7) - no vocal. 01:35:857 (6) - drum at sliderend, also the sliderstart is still part of 01:35:253 (4,6) - pattern, that's why it's a 1/2 fast slider. 01:37:467 (7) - sliderend remains vocal.
01:39:481 (3) - Any reason why is this particular note the only 1/4 slider? I don't see this sound being that much different than the others in this combo for it only to be a 1/4 slider. f
01:46:326 (1,2,3,4,5) - I feel like you're trying to follow the a bit more messed up 1/4's in the song compared to others, but this pattern is much too unusual for a bit messed up. You can do like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9393986 S or Z stuff, which suits the 5stacks within the section much more. I don't think making it different as much as you did suits the song or the section tbh. done
01:50:353 (1,2) - Don't understand at all why are these 1/4's, in the song it sounds just like pure hithats.
01:57:199 (8,9,10) - It is given the same spacing and placement like kicks 01:38:071 (1,2,3) - . Further more, I don't see it valid for 1/4 hithats to be this spaced tbh.
02:12:098 - In the map you always tend to go for different patterning and different shapes within one section on same sounds; like you did on this section 01:20:555 - so copy pasting stuff here doesn't feel like it's a part of this map. I suggest remap and think of new patterns on this particular section.
02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - jumps are bigger 02:20:152 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these two than the ones before the start of first chorus, but... 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - SV is lower on sliders even though you did everything you could before to make it more intense than the part before first kiai, bigger SV means more intense, so its contradictory at this moment. This'd be another argument to lower the SV on first part to 1.8x like I mentioned before.
02:26:394 (2,3,4,5,6) - I'm against going for such overlap heavy pattern when the rest of the patterns don't even have overlaps (mostly). It doesn't feel like a part of the same section.
02:43:709 (2,3,4) - You've used plenty of spaced 3 stacks for different sounds, so I don't think it also fits here. My idea https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9394136 ; because like this, you will have a bit uncomfy flow coming from (1), but still comfy since it's not spaced and just feels good idk. I think it's fine
02:44:112 (5,3) - This overlap, please.
02:25:790 (5) - Listen, I get the consistency of every new section starting with (5) not being a slider. But that kinda ruins the contrast a bit, since the same is done on less intense sections like 01:33:441 - . And I mentioned stuff about it how it should be just circles in that section. If you follow my advice then, for this kiai, the last one (since there are no hithats) it would be nice for every (5) to be made as 02:35:454 (1) - 02:41:897 (1) - etc. By dong that we get 3 parts, one which is the least intense with circles only on those sounds, second that has hithats on regular 1/2 intervals so its 1/2 sliders, and the third kiai which is the most intense having 3/4 sliders. well I'll think about it but for now I don't wanna change them
[Insane]
01:34:246 (7) - Again with this particular sound usage. In the first kiai it is done very arbitrarily. Sometimes being a circle, sometimes 1/2 sometimes 1/1. In the second and third kiai it is done consistently so I'd say adjust that in the first kiai to be all the same (preferably circles?). Of course I'm refering to idle ones without irregular rhythm 1/2 after them.

Anyways the other difficulties have appealing aesthetics to me, top diff could also use some little work on more important parts related to aesthetics by putting into mind what I mentioned, but it is on a decent level so fairly fixable. Get some more mods, and I'll recheck back eventually, and also nitpick what's left from those mods on lower difficulties.

Thanks for the mod, sorry late reply was too busy on sth else uwu

Pandano

447 posts

Joined January 2016

Pandano 2017-12-17T10:08:56+00:00

Done irc (tbh first time doing irc lol)

16:30 Yamicchi: how tf can I rank my Tuy Am now
16:30 Pandano: ez
16:30 Pandano: ask vinhcutelc
16:31 Yamicchi: :^)
16:31 Pandano: lol
16:32 Yamicchi: I should ask MaridiuS again
16:32 Yamicchi: but he's tough af
16:33 Pandano: MaridiuS?
16:33 Pandano: a BN?
16:33 Yamicchi: ye
16:35 Pandano: let me testplay
16:35 Pandano: been long
16:36 Yamicchi: go go
16:36 Pandano: I got B
16:36 Pandano: lol
16:39 Yamicchi: damn your tapping skill is lit
16:39 Pandano: lol
16:39 Pandano: got B
16:39 Pandano: noob
16:39 Pandano: 02:30:622 (1) - 8 nốt này
16:39 Pandano: why tho?
16:39 Yamicchi: pro
16:40 Yamicchi: i don't really know
16:40 Yamicchi: it's bad right?
16:40 Pandano: yea it feels like
16:40 Pandano: it gonna rekt me
16:40 Pandano: lol
16:40 Yamicchi: what the fuck
16:40 Yamicchi: you fully x300 it
16:40 Yamicchi: lie
16:41 Pandano: ever heard of spamming 
16:41 Pandano: looool
16:41 Pandano: or just lucky
16:41 Yamicchi: ye
16:42 Pandano: From 01:07:669 (1) - : I really miss your ngũ giác structure
16:43 Pandano: like earlier versions
16:43 Pandano: I testplayed your map like 20 times or so
16:43 Pandano: cause 1) it's better than vinhcutelc 
16:43 Pandano: 2) I love that part TwT
16:45 Yamicchi: ye I miss it too
16:45 Yamicchi: but it's confused in emphasis
16:46 Pandano: I see
16:46 Pandano: like the (5) note should be emphasized, right?
16:46 Pandano: yea I can't argue with that either
16:47 Yamicchi: yep
16:48 Pandano: 01:40:286 (2) - SV. Don't tell me that the SV change is not significant TwT
16:49 Pandano: 01:41:696 (4) - and why not 2 1/4 sliders? 
16:51 Pandano: 01:45:924 (3) - I think this should be blanketed by 01:46:326 (1,2,3,4,5) - for emphasis and a e s t h e t i c s
16:51 Yamicchi: 01:40:286 (2) - ye SV, but not necessary NC
16:51 Yamicchi: 01:41:696 (4) - why should it be?
16:51 Yamicchi: 01:45:924 (3) - a, stacked to 01:46:729 (5) - instead
16:52 Pandano:  yea could work
16:53 Pandano: 01:41:696 - umm sounds with same strength on head and tail, perhaps?
16:57 Yamicchi: I'm representing a different sound there
16:57 Yamicchi: so it's not actually the same strength
16:59 Pandano: okay
17:00 Pandano: 02:48:239 (4,1) - it's funny how you're trying to make a 298 BPM jump here
17:01 Pandano: ofc it's possible for high rankers 
17:01 Yamicchi: it's a bad idea overall isn't it
17:01 Pandano: i can't remember if I hit that one earlier in my testplay
17:01 Pandano: not really a bad idea since it's top diff
17:02 Pandano: so up to you then
17:02 Pandano: lol
17:02 Yamicchi: fixed
17:03 Pandano: that's all from me then
17:03 Pandano: small shitmod as always
17:03 Pandano: :<
17:03 Yamicchi: post for kds
17:03 Pandano: umm
17:03 Pandano: I never done irc
17:03 Pandano: don't know how
17:03 Yamicchi: so it feels like I'm still active with this set lul :^)
17:03 Pandano: lol
17:04 Yamicchi: type "/savelog'
17:04 Yamicchi: "/savelog"

Smug Nanachi

Smug Nanachi 2017-12-24T17:48:33+00:00

mod nào :3
mapper chuyên nghiệp có khác nhỉ? tính ổn định cao

pattern ổn, có thể rank đc đấy
t k mod đc mấy cái diff < 3*, thông cảm

Insane

01:08:474 (5) - sao k stack tiếp? k có thay đổi âm mà? âm khác với 01:10:085 (5) và 01:11:695 (5) thì k nên để chung pattern. m nghĩ stack tiếp tốt hơn
01:13:306 (5,6) - âm ở đây lớn hơn 01:10:085 (5,6) thì để snap lớn hơn đi
01:19:748 (5,6) - ^
01:26:595 (4,5,6) - để thành quadra đi như cái Desparate Tears, hoặc 2 slider 1/4 +1 note, t thấy pattern này k ổn lắm
01:46:326 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:49:548 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:52:870 (2,3,4) - ^
01:55:991 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - stream nên giống cái này 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4)

Desperate Tears

00:51:561 (1,2,3) - sao cái này khác 00:45:118 (1,2) ? cùng sound mà
01:07:669 (1,2,3,4,5) - chỗ này intensity giảm sao spacing note cuối tăng?
01:21:763 (4,5) - đoạn này làm 4 cái 1/8 slider cho chất
01:23:373 (4,5) - ^
01:24:984 (4,5) - ^
01:26:595 (4,5) - ^
02:13:306 (4,5) - ^
02:14:917 (4,5) - ^
02:16:528 (4,5) - ^
02:18:139 (4,5) - ^
01:48:139 (4) - 2 note sẽ tốt hơn
01:57:400 (10) - thêm 1 lần reverse nữa chắc ổn hơn, cho nó đủ âm, nếu cần thì để nó gần slider hơn
02:49:951 (1,2,3,4) + 02:50:353 (1,2,3,4) - 2 cái tream overlap, khó đọc

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2017-12-25T05:50:17+00:00

Smug Nanachi wrote:
mod nào :3
mapper chuyên nghiệp có khác nhỉ? tính ổn định cao pattern ổn, có thể rank đc đấy
t k mod đc mấy cái diff < 3*, thông cảm

Insane
01:08:474 (5) - sao k stack tiếp? k có thay đổi âm mà? âm khác với 01:10:085 (5) và 01:11:695 (5) thì k nên để chung pattern. m nghĩ stack tiếp tốt hơn để nhấn âm á. Stack tiếp thì cái pattern nó ngang phè không có điểm nhấn
01:13:306 (5,6) - âm ở đây lớn hơn 01:10:085 (5,6) thì để snap lớn hơn đi asymmetry
01:19:748 (5,6) - ^
01:26:595 (4,5,6) - để thành quadra đi như cái Desparate Tears, hoặc 2 slider 1/4 +1 note, t thấy pattern này k ổn lắm cố tình dùng slider cho 2 nốt cuối để thoải mái hơn tí về spacing để mà nhấn âm 01:26:998 (1) - :v tại vì là insane nên có nhiều khả năng bị giới hạn, kh như top diff
01:46:326 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:49:548 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:52:870 (2,3,4) - ^
01:55:991 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - stream nên giống cái này 02:21:763 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - không nhất thiết phải giống đâu ông
Desperate Tears
00:51:561 (1,2,3) - sao cái này khác 00:45:118 (1,2) ? cùng sound mà thật ra thì nó khác nhau về intensity và cả về material, với lại có ai bắt lỗi thì cũng là minor issues nên không sao
01:07:669 (1,2,3,4,5) - chỗ này intensity giảm sao spacing note cuối tăng? không nói về material ở đây mà là consistency với 01:14:917 (5) - Hai chỗ này giống nhau nhưng cơ bản là beat đầu buildup hơi yếu nên khó nghe thôi
01:21:763 (4,5) - đoạn này làm 4 cái 1/8 slider cho chất thế thì là overmap rồi ông ạ
01:23:373 (4,5) - ^
01:24:984 (4,5) - ^
01:26:595 (4,5) - ^
02:13:306 (4,5) - ^
02:14:917 (4,5) - ^
02:16:528 (4,5) - ^
02:18:139 (4,5) - ^
01:48:139 (4) - 2 note sẽ tốt hơn đã fix cùng với 1 nùi khác :v
01:57:400 (10) - thêm 1 lần reverse nữa chắc ổn hơn, cho nó đủ âm, nếu cần thì để nó gần slider hơn ngta nghe đc 1/8 beat là được rồi,
để cái gap cuối 1/4 cho nó dễ ăn, chứ 1/8 gắt quá
02:49:951 (1,2,3,4) + 02:50:353 (1,2,3,4) - 2 cái tream overlap, khó đọc thật ra tui thấy cũng chẳng khó mấy

Cảm ơn ông nhé :3 sửa được kha khá thứ

Smug Nanachi

Smug Nanachi 2017-12-30T04:36:46+00:00

Yami ei~
Ông còn nhận GD k, tôi cũng muốn thử sức phát.

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-24T14:00:57+00:00

masew ok

[General]

After I played a mapset with nightcore mod for several times, I noticed that the nightcore tempo doesn't relevant to the song at all. In order to improve this, move the uninherited line to 00:03:239 - to make the nightcore tempo corresponding to the music.
"asuka" is actually an unimportant tag to add, since "asuka" is actually in "Asuka_-".
00:25:790 (1) - spinner at here in Asuka_-'s Hard, Insane and Desperate Tears seems to be nonsense since this isn't represent anything in the song. so remove this spinner might be good.

[Desperate Tears]

01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - after i tesplayed many times in this part, i've noticed that the slider head and slider tail has barely overlapped to each other. meaning if players click only at the slider head of these hitobjects, players will gather 100s instead of 300s, which is unjustified for players and giving playability problem to players. in order to improve this, i'd recommend to make these sliders shorter by decreasing the slider velocity multiplier here. so players can be freely click the slider head of these hotobjects without bewaring of getting 100s on particularly sliders.
02:12:098 (1,2,3) - the hitobjects here seems to flow pretty unnatural. you could notice that the sliders' paths are going leftwards, but since the next hitobjects are at the right side, players will have to move back to the right side again, which makes the movement here becoming unnaturally and really gives unjustified difficulty spike in this part. i know it's okay to do this, but since there are no apparent sound among 02:12:098 (1,2,3) -, so making them flowing unnaturally is quite inappropriate here. consider making them flow more natural.
02:48:340 (1) - after i tesplayed several times in this part, i think that it is pretty tough to see where the slider 02:48:340 (1) - starts. that's because the stream hitcircles 02:47:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is overlapping this part a lot, it makes the slider 02:48:340 (1) - become pretty hard to see. so i'd recommend to move this slider further to make it easier to read.

[Insane]

02:38:273 (5) - This hitobject could add new combo here for the transition in spacing changes. As same as 02:47:937 (5) -, 02:50:353 (5) -

[Asuka_-'s Hard]

00:53:172 (1,2) - I understand what you're trying to represent the xylophone sound my making them buzz sliders, but there isn't spammed sound at 00:53:172 (1,2) - at all, and using buzz sliders here doesn't really fit with the song's intensity here. so i'd recommend using a long slider might represent the song better.
01:10:890 (3) - it might be better to add new combo here since this spot here is where the new stanza begins.
01:33:441 (1,2,3) - Because the previous hitobjects are spaced with 1/2-beat gaps in among them, making these hitobjects here stacked like the previous hitobjects might cause players become misunderstanding that these hitobjects 01:33:441 (1,2,3) - also spaced with 1/2-beat gaps also, gathering 100s instead of 300s which is unjustified for players. so i'd recommend to make them manually stacked here or using 1/4-beat buzz slider here might work as well.
02:24:179 (5) - this could add new combo because the transition from circles to sliders.

[Normal]

widescreen support doesn't seem necessary in this map since this map has not used any storyboard. consider untick the widescreen support here.
02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This part has exactly same vocals and instrumentals rhythm as 01:26:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -, but why are they mapped differently? consider making them the same for consistency thorough your difficulty.

[Easy]

widescreen support doesn't seem necessary in this map since this map has not used any storyboard. consider untick the widescreen support here.

That's all! Call me back.

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2018-02-25T07:25:06+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
masew ok

[General]
After I played a mapset with nightcore mod for several times, I noticed that the nightcore tempo doesn't relevant to the song at all. In order to improve this, move the uninherited line to 00:03:239 - to make the nightcore tempo corresponding to the music. done
"asuka" is actually an unimportant tag to add, since "asuka" is actually in "Asuka_-". it actually IS important, as it helps me to search for Asuka_- maps in case I forgot the _- after that though.
00:25:790 (1) - spinner at here in Asuka_-'s Hard, Insane and Desperate Tears seems to be nonsense since this isn't represent anything in the song. so remove this spinner might be good. It's to avoid people who randomly got #1 score and be there forever without any way to get over them,
because there's just no spinner. Funny example here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/206284
[Desperate Tears]
01:30:219 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - after i tesplayed many times in this part, i've noticed that the slider head and slider tail has barely overlapped to each other. meaning if players click only at the slider head of these hitobjects, players will gather 100s instead of 300s, which is unjustified for players and giving playability problem to players. in order to improve this, i'd recommend to make these sliders shorter by decreasing the slider velocity multiplier here. so players can be freely click the slider head of these hotobjects without bewaring of getting 100s on particularly sliders. lowering the SV would kill the emphasis for such strong section, which is why I ctrl+g all of them, which is a bit harder but it feels more natural and would reduce the chance of getting 100x too.
02:12:098 (1,2,3) - the hitobjects here seems to flow pretty unnatural. you could notice that the sliders' paths are going leftwards, but since the next hitobjects are at the right side, players will have to move back to the right side again, which makes the movement here becoming unnaturally and really gives unjustified difficulty spike in this part. i know it's okay to do this, but since there are no apparent sound among 02:12:098 (1,2,3) -, so making them flowing unnaturally is quite inappropriate here. consider making them flow more natural. more natural now owo
02:48:340 (1) - after i tesplayed several times in this part, i think that it is pretty tough to see where the slider 02:48:340 (1) - starts. that's because the stream hitcircles 02:47:535 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - is overlapping this part a lot, it makes the slider 02:48:340 (1) - become pretty hard to see. so i'd recommend to move this slider further to make it easier to read. done
[Insane]
02:38:273 (5) - This hitobject could add new combo here for the transition in spacing changes. As same as 02:47:937 (5) -, 02:50:353 (5) - all done
[Normal]
widescreen support doesn't seem necessary in this map since this map has not used any storyboard. consider untick the widescreen support here.
02:18:541 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This part has exactly same vocals and instrumentals rhythm as 01:26:998 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -, but why are they mapped differently? consider making them the same for consistency thorough your difficulty. just put some variety for it and thought it would be less boring.
Fixed
[Easy]
widescreen support doesn't seem necessary in this map since this map has not used any storyboard. consider untick the widescreen support here.
That's all! Call me back.

<3 <3

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-25T09:56:28+00:00

I'm sorry but I have some arguments to your dissident reply to my mod.

Yamicchi wrote:
"asuka" is actually an unimportant tag to add, since "asuka" is actually in "Asuka_-". it actually IS important, as it helps me to search for Asuka_- maps in case I forgot the _- after that though.

If you actually find a plain normal text "Asuka" without adding "_-" after "Asuka" like, https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=asuka in the beatmap listing, as a consequence, you could literally notice that there is no map really relevant to Asuka_- at all. Nevertheless if you find "Asuka_-" https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=asuk ... 0&g=0&la=0 in the beatmap listing, as a result, you will totally see all of Asuka_-'s ranked maps and any maps related to him/her.

Further more, in case if you literally forgot to add "_-" after "Asuka", then it's literally YOUR fault that you've forgot Asuka_-.

Yamicchi wrote:
00:25:790 (1) - spinner at here in Asuka_-'s Hard, Insane and Desperate Tears seems to be nonsense since this isn't represent anything in the song. so remove this spinner might be good. It's to avoid people who randomly got #1 score and be there forever without any way to get over them,
because there's just no spinner. Funny example here https://osu.ppy.sh/s/206284

To be honest, the reason that you are debating with me doesn't still really make sense here in my perspective. This spinner is just existed at that spot for the sake of making the scoreboard have more multifarious. Keep in mind that osu! is a rhythm game, that means making the main purpose of making a map to play in osu! is to make the hitobjects in the mp corresponding to the song's rhythm, so it means that rhythm is the most prioritized aspect of the game. Using the spinner here which doesn't have any relation to any indiscernible sound in the song is inappropriate to the game's concept.

In addition, using a spinner at here doesn't literally help the scoreboard becoming more divergence at all. Assuming what will happen if they are two players who make the score exactly the same, and even the score what they have got from this spinner is also the same. As a result, their score will be the same and that occurrence will still be unchanged as the example what you've linked in your reply to my mod. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/206284

In conclusion, I'll still highly recommend you to remove the spinner at this spot since it doesn't apparently represent any particular part/sound of the song, which is a straightforward intent of breaking the main purpose of mapping, which is to make the hitobjects in the map corresponding to the song's rhythm. So make sure you're mapping on a proper song's rhythm, which makes it become comprehensible to understand for the players.

That's actually all for my arguments to your mod. The other dissident replies to my mod seems to be understandable for me and I really okay with that.
If you still have any arguments on my arguments to your replies to my mod, feel free to debate me. If it's reasonable enough in my perspective, I might understand your arguments and help you pushing this forward by nominating your map. If not, then :3c
Just a little arguments to your dissident replies, but I hope you could understand it because I try to make it as reasonable as possible for you to understand my arguments.

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2018-02-25T11:18:12+00:00

Fair enough uwu fixed.
Also Asuka's diff is not applied yet, just so you know.

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-25T11:21:18+00:00

uwu

Asuka_-

1,459 posts

Joined February 2016

Asuka_- 2018-02-25T16:59:21+00:00

aaaaaa sorry for late lol

@- Frontier -
all fixed!
should be fine now pobably

thanks~

code

osu file format v14

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Artist:Xesi x Masew x Nhatnguyen
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QuiTong

6 posts

Joined June 2015

QuiTong 2018-02-25T22:22:49+00:00

wym by 'id jump n yell like a gurl'
r u n0t a gallll l0l
anw im liking dis in h0pe it'll b rank3d in n0 tim3 3v3n th0 i cant play std XD
co len em iu

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-26T05:42:27+00:00

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Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2018-02-26T11:55:51+00:00

self pop this cuz I haven't updated Asuka's diff yet lmao

Kensuke

1,856 posts

Joined April 2014

Kensuke 2018-02-26T11:57:02+00:00

AAAAAA I MADE A MISTAKE AGAIN TWT

Asuka_-

1,459 posts

Joined February 2016

Asuka_- 2018-02-27T12:11:36+00:00

>w<

Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2018-02-28T08:47:37+00:00

co len em iu wwwwwwwwweww

Oyatsu

1,909 posts

Joined December 2012

Oyatsu 2018-03-03T05:56:34+00:00

I have just found out this. This would be the best Vietnamese map till now. Go go !

Asaiga

848 posts

Joined July 2013

Asaiga 2018-03-03T11:07:45+00:00

oya back when

Plaudible

1,028 posts

Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2018-03-10T19:40:50+00:00

wow another great yamicchichichi map o//

normal

01:26:998 (1) - could you maybe use some more 1/2 here for a better buildup into the chorus
01:36:662 (1) - these 3/4 reverse sliders in the chorus feel outta place at times tbh, even if the vocals are in place to make it work most of the rhythm's follow the synth, it'd be better to stick to that imo
01:38:273 (4,5) - why isn't this a 3/4 reverse though like 01:51:159 (4) - ?
could add a note at 01:39:681 - to compensate if you change ^ to keep things dense here.
same things for 01:49:548 (1) - and such, honestly imo you should stick with using 1/2 unless the drums suggest 3/4 like at 01:51:159 (4) - , the usage right now feels pretty random of both and drawing some consistent line like this would be spicy
01:59:212 (8) - NC?
rest looks good

asuka hard

00:25:790 (1) - seems yamicchi ended up removing the spinners in top 2 diffs, having yours be the only one with one here feels awkward :<
01:21:763 (4,1) - probs should ctrl+g this reverse, on the last tick, it ends away from the circle: http://puu.sh/zEL2i/67a9da689f.jpg due to it being 2 reverses, so you should ctrl+g to make this a little easier to hit so i just realized this is something through every reverse in the map like this, if it's not a pain to change i'd still suggest fixing these since going backwards from the direction of the kickslider is very counter-intuitive. you do it correctly at 02:33:843 (4,5) -
02:44:112 (8,2) - might be a little obstructive for the reverse, maybe doing an overlap like 00:38:675 (3,4,5) - could be more fitting
02:42:702 (3), 02:47:535 (1) - why just 1 reverse here? o-o make it 2 like you have been imo

insane

01:32:635 (1) - i wanna argue with you a bit on the high sv on here and in top diff, for how calm this part is before the chorus and in contrast to the speed of the buildup at 01:31:024 (1,2,3,4) - this feels almost on par with those in velocity. it feels a bit overdone for this section. i like the idea of the second one slowing down from the first, but maybe do like 1.00x and 0.75x or 0.5x perhaps
02:36:662 (5,6,7,8) - vv awkward flow tbh

tearz

same spiel on the sv thing
01:58:407 (5,6,7,8) - dont you feel like these are a bit overemphasized? :T maybe something like http://puu.sh/zEM4h/8144e70e9a.jpg would be nice

vv nice yam yam call me back

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

_DT3 2018-03-10T22:18:45+00:00

I was the one that suggested adding "Asuka" to the tags and I would like to actually counter Frontier's arguments

- Frontier - wrote:
Yamicchi wrote:
"asuka" is actually an unimportant tag to add, since "asuka" is actually in "Asuka_-". it actually IS important, as it helps me to search for Asuka_- maps in case I forgot the _- after that though.
If you actually find a plain normal text "Asuka" without adding "_-" after "Asuka" like, https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=asuka in the beatmap listing, as a consequence, you could literally notice that there is no map really relevant to Asuka_- at all. Nevertheless if you find "Asuka_-" https://osu.ppy.sh/p/beatmaplist?q=asuk ... 0&g=0&la=0 in the beatmap listing, as a result, you will totally see all of Asuka_-'s ranked maps and any maps related to him/her. While it may be true that the tag "Asuka" doesn't necessarily find related maps to the GDer, this doesn't really matter too much as the only point of adding this tag in the first case is to help search for the map, especially in-game. It's related to the map (in this case the mapper) so keeping the tag would be justified.

Further more, in case if you literally forgot to add "_-" after "Asuka", then it's literally YOUR fault that you've forgot Asuka_-. So? This isn't really a counter-argument because this is not about who's fault it is for not typing in the _-, it's about if it help searching for the map, and it kind of does.

It doesn't hurt to keep the tag so why remove it if it only adds positive things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also Yamii here we go finally

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Topic Starter

Yamicchi 2018-03-11T00:39:54+00:00

Plaudible wrote:
wow another great yamicchichichi map o//

normal
01:26:998 (1) - could you maybe use some more 1/2 here for a better buildup into the chorus it sounds weird, but at least it sounds stronger, hmm ye I'm with ya
01:36:662 (1) - these 3/4 reverse sliders in the chorus feel outta place at times tbh, even if the vocals are in place to make it work most of the rhythm's follow the synth, it'd be better to stick to that imo they might seem off, but I'm not really sure what else to follow except for the vocal that stands out most and the other 5-note stream which is impossible to find a good way to follow. Also there're some other 3/4 sliders that follow the instrument,
I wanna use the vocal 3/4 regularly so players won't be confused about the slider length, whether what beat would it be, when 3/4 instrument sliders come.
01:38:273 (4,5) - why isn't this a 3/4 reverse though like 01:51:159 (4) - ? oops my bad uwu
could add a note at 01:39:681 - to compensate if you change ^ to keep things dense here. oh ye accidentally fixed
same things for 01:49:548 (1) - and such, honestly imo you should stick with using 1/2 unless the drums suggest 3/4 like at 01:51:159 (4) - , the usage right now feels pretty random of both and drawing some consistent line like this would be spicy as explained earlier so xd
01:59:212 (8) - NC? okey dokey
rest looks good
asuka hard
00:25:790 (1) - seems yamicchi ended up removing the spinners in top 2 diffs, having yours be the only one with one here feels awkward :< my bad uwu
insane
01:32:635 (1) - i wanna argue with you a bit on the high sv on here and in top diff, for how calm this part is before the chorus and in contrast to the speed of the buildup at 01:31:024 (1,2,3,4) - this feels almost on par with those in velocity. it feels a bit overdone for this section. i like the idea of the second one slowing down from the first, but maybe do like 1.00x and 0.75x or 0.5x perhaps decreased to 1.0x and 0.5x, second kiai is different so gonna keep it then
02:36:662 (5,6,7,8) - vv awkward flow tbh uwu it flows totally ok (not to say it flows really good imo) and I believe the pattern emphasized (8) just fine tho.
tearz
same spiel on the sv thing
01:58:407 (5,6,7,8) - dont you feel like these are a bit overemphasized? :T maybe something like http://puu.sh/zEM4h/8144e70e9a.jpg would be nice as you wish~
vv nice yam yam call me back

Thank you sir Plau >w<

Asuka_-

1,459 posts

Joined February 2016

Asuka_- 2018-03-11T03:41:46+00:00

Plaudible wrote:
asuka hard
00:25:790 (1) - seems yamicchi ended up removing the spinners in top 2 diffs, having yours be the only one with one here feels awkward :< ye fixed
01:21:763 (4,1) - probs should ctrl+g this reverse, on the last tick, it ends away from the circle: http://puu.sh/zEL2i/67a9da689f.jpg due to it being 2 reverses, so you should ctrl+g to make this a little easier to hit so i just realized this is something through every reverse in the map like this, if it's not a pain to change i'd still suggest fixing these since going backwards from the direction of the kickslider is very counter-intuitive. you do it correctly at 02:33:843 (4,5) -
these kicksliders stop flow to emphasize "next jumps".
double kick sliders sections are exception, i used Disatance Snap correcty to emphasize "the sliders' flow".
i used same logic on ranked one.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/614419
so i think it's fine >w<
02:44:112 (8,2) - might be a little obstructive for the reverse, maybe doing an overlap like 00:38:675 (3,4,5) - could be more fitting oh nice
02:42:702 (3), 02:47:535 (1) - why just 1 reverse here? o-o make it 2 like you have been imo good

thanks~!!!

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Yamicchi

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Yamicchi 2018-03-11T05:31:42+00:00

Ok updated and we're ready!
Edit: Thanks Turtle I guess I should add it in the tag anyway, if you're still not okay with it please lemme know Frontier uwu

Kensuke

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Kensuke 2018-03-11T12:17:35+00:00

Yamicchi wrote:
if you're still not okay with it please lemme know Frontier uwu

idc =3=

Yamicchi

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Yamicchi 2018-03-11T12:18:49+00:00

- Frontier - wrote:
idc =3=

Why am I feeling like my girlfriend is mad at me for some reason...

Kensuke

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Kensuke 2018-03-15T11:58:32+00:00

ok. if you think "asuka" is reasonable to be added in tags, then i'll recommend to add "ssuka" "aduka" "asika" "asula" "asuks" "asuka_" because players could make a typo here.

just kidding here. do whatever you want

Yamicchi

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Yamicchi 2018-03-18T02:08:39+00:00

Removed "Asuka" from tag because I don't wanna cause any trouble =w= updated and everything is ready

Plaudible

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Plaudible 2018-03-18T02:12:02+00:00

alright, all setty spaghetti

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