FREDERIC - Kanashii Ureshii [Taiko] · forum

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_handholding 2017-09-18T12:05:57+00:00

@R

did everything except first cos i like the layer of music it follows

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Title:Kanashii Ureshii
TitleUnicode:かなしいうれしい
Artist:FREDERIC
ArtistUnicode:フレデリック
Creator:Nardoxyribonucleic
Version:Kisses' Muzukashii
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Tags:Taiko Koi to Uso Love and Lies Opening TV Size Kisses Chaoslitz
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Nardoxyribonucleic

osu! Alumni

3,008 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-09-18T15:01:20+00:00

Updated both guest difficulties.

Lumenite-

625 posts

Joined April 2015

Lumenite- 2017-09-18T22:33:09+00:00

Recheck as requested, just a minor note or two:

In the Muzukashii, from 00:34:236 - 00:47:757 it strongly bugs me that for most of this section, there is no color variation present until only certain parts of the song. If you're following the bass drum hits, you should keep them all dons, but I recommend following something similar to what was done in the Oni (and the futsuu as well) and follow the electric guitar notes.

In the same section, I recommend that Chaoz's Oni be reverted to the structure I remember it being before, which is depicted here:

My reasoning for this is that this rhythm spreads perfectly from the Muzuaskhii -> here -> Nardo's Oni, instead of being the exact same rhythm in both Onis.

After considering these changes, you may call me back.

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-09-19T09:01:51+00:00

After consideration I've made no changes. You only said it bugs and not why it is a problem objectively. I believe this is good for the spread as it allows for a higher density and complex rhythm in a easier pattern and does suit the song fairly well. The measures go d d k d which is what I hear in the music not only that but the defree of monotony gives emphasis to the next section 00:47:757 (1) . Overall it fits what I'm going for, makes a decent spread and is fun imho.

ta ~

Lumenite-

625 posts

Joined April 2015

Lumenite- 2017-09-19T13:48:55+00:00

Kisses wrote:
After consideration I've made no changes. You only said it bugs and not why it is a problem objectively. I believe this is good for the spread as it allows for a higher density and complex rhythm in a easier pattern and does suit the song fairly well. The measures go d d k d which is what I hear in the music not only that but the defree of monotony gives emphasis to the next section 00:47:757 (1) . Overall it fits what I'm going for, makes a decent spread and is fun imho.

ta ~

I addressed this problem because this section is quite different from the rest of the difficulties, and lacks consistency in following an instrument. Both bass hits and guitar strums are constant across the entire section. Following the bass hits for 3 measures and then suddenly switching to the guitar is incoherent, and once again, very different from the other difficulties. I strongly adhere that this be changed.

Nardoxyribonucleic

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Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-09-19T14:52:52+00:00

While I agree that the part from 00:34:236 to 00:47:757 - in Kisses' Muzukashii is a bit monotonous in terms of patterning, I think that small leniency could be allowed as mappers do have different styles.

@Kisses: You may consider this as a reference to make this part more intuitive to play

(cursor at 00:40:786 - )

davidminh0111

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davidminh0111 2017-09-19T15:13:53+00:00

Hello Nardo, from my queue, sorry for late:

[Kantan]

00:05:504: How about DDDK? Because the pitch in 00:05:926 not really high enough to use K
00:27:476 (38, 39): Ctrl + G? Pitch is rising up from here 00:27:476
00:46:067: Same reason as 1st one
00:58:321: How about extending this spinner till 01:00:645
01:04:659 (6, 7): Ctrl + G? 01:04:659 pitch doesn't fit

[Futsuu]

00:05:504: Same reason as Kantan
00:46:067: ^

[Kisses' Muzukashii]

00:02:969: Change to d since the pitch is falling down
00:06:349: Pitch is low, change to D, you may use the 50% for more details
00:09:624: I don't hear any vocal here so remove this note
00:24:307: How about dkk?
00:46:912: Same as the 1st suggestion

[Chaoslitz's Oni]

00:05:504: Same as Kantan
00:20:504: Remove this note for consistency at 00:20:715
00:23:250: How about kdddk?
00:46:067: Same as 1st suggestion
01:00:539: A note here, background instrument here

[Oni]

00:05:504 and 00:46:067: Same as Kantan

Good Luck

Nardoxyribonucleic

osu! Alumni

3,008 posts

Joined May 2011

Topic Starter

Nardoxyribonucleic 2017-09-19T15:33:20+00:00

davidminh0111 wrote:
Hello Nardo, from my queue, sorry for late:

[Kantan]
00:05:504: How about DDDK? Because the pitch in 00:05:926 not really high enough to use K As mentioned in previous replies,
I think D K D K is more dynamic to fit the song's atmosphere.
00:27:476 (38, 39): Ctrl + G? Pitch is rising up from here 00:27:476 The vocal pitch is in fact decreasing.
00:46:067: Same reason as 1st one same as 00:05:504 -
00:58:321: How about extending this spinner till 01:00:645 Hmm, both positions are fine imo.
01:04:659 (6, 7): Ctrl + G? 01:04:659 pitch doesn't fit same as 00:27:476 (38,39) -
[Futsuu]
00:05:504: Same reason as Kantan same as Kantan
00:46:067: ^ ^
[Oni]
00:05:504 and 00:46:067: Same as Kantan Same as lower difficulties.
Good Luck

Thanks for your mod though~

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,307 posts

Joined November 2013

Chaoslitz 2017-09-19T15:38:21+00:00

Taikocracy wrote:
In the same section, I recommend that Chaoz's Oni be reverted to the structure I remember it being before, which is depicted here:

My reasoning for this is that this rhythm spreads perfectly from the Muzuaskhii -> here -> Nardo's Oni, instead of being the exact same rhythm in both Onis.

After considering these changes, you may call me back.

In my opinion it sounds inconsistent in following the background instrument if 00:36:560 (168,180,192) are deleted. In terms of spread although nardo and I have same note density in this section, we have different d/k usage so I think it is still acceptable.

davidminh0111 wrote:
[Chaoslitz's Oni]
00:05:504: Same as Kantan prefer the current as pitch increases
00:20:504: Remove this note for consistency at 00:20:715 I think the rhythm is dense enough to support a note before entering the next section
00:23:250: How about kdddk? 00:23:567 (104) - high pitch of guitar
00:46:067: Same as 1st suggestion
01:00:539: A note here, background instrument here prefer keeping the K instead of adding a note

thanks for mod~

Lumenite-

625 posts

Joined April 2015

Lumenite- 2017-09-19T15:48:47+00:00

Chaoslitz wrote:
In my opinion it sounds inconsistent in following the background instrument if 00:36:560 (168,180,192) are deleted. In terms of spread although nardo and I have same note density in this section, we have different d/k usage so I think it is still acceptable.

I can agree!

Thank you for your consideration!

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
While I agree that the part from 00:34:236 to 00:47:757 - in Kisses' Muzukashii is a bit monotonous in terms of patterning, I think that small leniency could be allowed as mappers do have different styles.

@Kisses: You may consider this as a reference to make this part more intuitive to play (cursor at 00:40:786 - )

Yes, I agree. Apologies if my comments came off as abrasive in any way.

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-09-19T16:08:29+00:00

davidminh0111 wrote:
[Kisses' Muzukashii]
00:02:969: Change to d since the pitch is falling down I really want to show the difference between 00:02:969 (9,10) -
00:06:349: Pitch is low, change to D, you may use the 50% for more details I just feel like this suits the layer of the synth im following
00:09:624: I don't hear any vocal here so remove this note its to follow the base
00:24:307: How about dkk? fixed
00:46:912: Same as the 1st suggestion same

did nardo's suggestion ~

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Lumenite-

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Lumenite- 2017-09-19T19:37:08+00:00

Upon review, there are no longer any issues in which would require any needed changes. Spread is linear, structure is coherent and accurate, and appropriate break times are present in all difficulties.

Bubbled!

Jonarwhal

1,216 posts

Joined November 2013

Jonarwhal 2017-09-21T20:33:48+00:00

Hello, I would have contacted you in game to make minimal changes, but there's a huge time zone difference so I must forum post
no kd, no pop, thanks
feel free to ignore everything here if you want
[Chaoslitz]

00:02:546 (8,9,10) - This would sound better as kdd because 00:02:546 (8,9) - is a drop of two notes, which means it's twice as big 00:02:757 (9,10) - as here in the context of this scale, but also considering ddk would be good too because 00:02:124 (7,8) - this is falling in pitch. kdd or ddk here if you agree
00:07:194 - starting here, I'm noticing several kdk and other back/forth patterns. This are fine if there are a few, but I think there are a few more than necessary. For example, 00:10:574 (39,40,41) - here, the singer is using the same pitch for all of these notes. I could recommend switching the triplet
00:10:997 (40,41,42) - here to kkd in order to fix this and vary the patterns a little while complementing the lyrics
00:13:955 (54,55,56,57,58) - for similar reasons as above, you could use kdkkd or kkdkd here to avoid the kdkdkdd pattern, and using it here additionally complements the lyrics too
00:25:786 (114) - similar reasoning to above, (and of course the reasoning makes the change totally optional), consider changing this to d for more impact on the stronger vocal 00:26:208 - here
00:52:828 (226,227,228) - Here, you have ddd instead of the usual kdd here because the starting pitch is lower. I noticed this makes a chain of several d's, and that you can break this chain by inverting to dkk instead of changing the kats to ddd.
00:57:898 (239) - I feel that this note deserves a finisher. It's the start of the intense build up to the kiai, and there is a cymbal in the music there, and it's not in any position where adding a finisher would make the pattern uncomfortable.
01:08:250 (292) - / 01:09:095 (295) - / 01:21:772 (362) - / 01:22:617 (365) - I would prefer that notes such as these be a k if you would like to complement the vocal here.

Chaoslitz

Elite Mapper / Elite Storyboarder

2,307 posts

Joined November 2013

Chaoslitz 2017-09-22T16:03:14+00:00

Jonawaga wrote:
Hello, I would have contacted you in game to make minimal changes, but there's a huge time zone difference so I must forum post
no kd, no pop, thanks
feel free to ignore everything here if you want
[Chaoslitz]
00:02:546 (8,9,10) - This would sound better as kdd because 00:02:546 (8,9) - is a drop of two notes, which means it's twice as big 00:02:757 (9,10) - as here in the context of this scale, but also considering ddk would be good too because 00:02:124 (7,8) - this is falling in pitch. kdd or ddk here if you agree because the pitch difference between 00:02:757 (9,10) and 00:02:546 (8,9) so i prefer using kkd in this case
00:07:194 - starting here, I'm noticing several kdk and other back/forth patterns. This are fine if there are a few, but I think there are a few more than necessary. For example, 00:10:574 (39,40,41) - here, the singer is using the same pitch for all of these notes. I could recommend switching the triplet fixed
00:10:997 (40,41,42) - here to kkd in order to fix this and vary the patterns a little while complementing the lyrics fixed
00:13:955 (54,55,56,57,58) - for similar reasons as above, you could use kdkkd or kkdkd here to avoid the kdkdkdd pattern, and using it here additionally complements the lyrics too switched 00:16:067 (64) - to d
00:25:786 (114) - similar reasoning to above, (and of course the reasoning makes the change totally optional), consider changing this to d for more impact on the stronger vocal 00:26:208 - here i think the current pattern matches the vocal pitch
00:52:828 (226,227,228) - Here, you have ddd instead of the usual kdd here because the starting pitch is lower. I noticed this makes a chain of several d's, and that you can break this chain by inverting to dkk instead of changing the kats to ddd. the drum has no pitch change so i think ddd works well ;w;
00:57:898 (239) - I feel that this note deserves a finisher. It's the start of the intense build up to the kiai, and there is a cymbal in the music there, and it's not in any position where adding a finisher would make the pattern uncomfortable. ok added
01:08:250 (292) - / 01:09:095 (295) - / 01:21:772 (362) - / 01:22:617 (365) - I would prefer that notes such as these be a k if you would like to complement the vocal here. yea fixed

Thanks! i'm not experienced in mapping taiko so i hope the reasons stated above make sense ;w;

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