senya - Shunkan Everlasting · forum

Seolv

Joined March 2016

Seolv 2017-09-19T19:32:44+00:00

the difficulty from my diff comes from the fact that it was mapped as a normal but then nao told me to buff it up to 2.5*
so yeah that may be why some of the diff balance is fucked up right now.

Lasse wrote:
lukas
ar too high, ~6 would be better imo
00:00:672 - 00:12:672 - tone down rhythm density in this part, it's too close to much more intense parts ruining contrast of the whole map
some ideas: 00:00:672 (1) - 00:02:126 (2,4) - etc can just be single circles
00:05:217 (3,5) - can be deleted
should get what I mean
for similar reason 00:27:036 - and 00:28:490 (4) - could be deleted
00:37:399 - add some 1/2 circles in this part to match the higher intensity instead of basically using same rhythm as the normal diff
spots like 00:38:672 - would be nice
pretty much similar to what you did for the 00:55:399 - part rhythm wise

00:41:763 - 01:21:036 - why do things like this suddenly break your 2 measure nc structure
00:49:763 (3,4,5,6) - really unjustified spike in difficulty. also a rhythm like https://i.imgur.com/CSiS7xz.jpg would follow the rhythm buildup much better
or as rhythm similar to hard diff, which mapped this way easier tapping wise
00:59:945 (3,4,5,6) - ^also the noticeably uneven spacing is tilt
most of the stuff above gets repeated when parts repeat

also if you use this type of ds (barely overlapping) you have to be way more careful with things, or they will look pretty bad since even things just being slightly off becomes notiecable
using something like 1.3 or 1.1 in these parts would've worked way better visually and barely changes gameplay
things like 01:53:763 (2,3,4) - are very ??

yea difficulty balance of this diff is a bit fucked up since basically all of it comes from the spaced 1/2 spam spikes lol

fixed all, thanks Lasse :3

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-Mo-

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-Mo- 2017-09-19T23:06:49+00:00

mo
00:47:581 (1,2,3) -01:10:854 (1,2,3) - 01:48:672 - etc. higher sv for these? could really stand out more Changed
00:57:036 (4) -01:58:126 - 02:46:126 - straight line for so many different things feels a bit out of place The idea was to have the first part of the combo seem fairly basic and flowing downwards for the relatively calmer vocals, and then go back in the opposite direction with a more dynamic arrangement as the music picks up. tl;dr it's intentional.
01:37:945 (2,4) - think swapping these would make the jump pattern work better I feel as if the zig-zag motion fits better for this rather than circular flow.
01:42:672 (6,1) - don't really get why this is suddenly baby spacing when things like 00:41:763 (1) - are mapped very "normal" Fixed

22:07-Mo-: I probably should sub to it huh

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hohol454

255 posts

Joined November 2012

hohol454 2017-09-20T11:58:43+00:00

M4M

Normal
few blankets not perfect 00:08:308 (2,3) - , 01:58:490 (4,1) -
00:15:581 (1) - the slider isn't pointy enough for red anchor thing you do with beats to be visible
01:22:490 (1) - why isn't the red anchor on white tick
02:42:490 (1) - first red anchor is slightly too early

Lukas' Advanced
ar7 bit high for 2.1*
00:27:763 (2,3) - why isn't this stacked like others, doesn't seem different
00:50:490 (1,2) - i would make these into 1/1 slider, feels weird when 1/2 drums stop but the pattern continues without changes. the vocals can be mapped as 1/2 sliders but the contrast isn't there, that's why it works here 02:38:853 (3,1,2) -
01:10:854 (3) - make 3/4 repeat sliders. Guitar joins in yet it's less dense than the same rhythm without guitar 00:47:581 (1,2,3,1) -
01:37:581 (2) - no sound on the sliderend and missed beat on red tick after. Could remove the slider, put a circle on red tick and two 1/2 sliders after, first stacked under the circle. http://puu.sh/xEjjx/a420445370.PNG
01:51:581 (1,2) - same suggestion as before
01:55:945 (1,2,3,4) - why no circles inbetween like 00:54:854 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - it's exactly the same

hard
idk really how to mod this.
00:58:399 (3,4) - what's with the hitsounds
02:24:399 (2) - nice anchors

Mo's Insane
00:30:126 (1,2,3) - could you make these consistent across the map? you randomly switch between these and ones with sliderhead on the side closer to the first circle like here 01:31:217 (1,2,3) -
00:51:945 (1,3) - could remove overlap
01:10:490 (3,4) - increase spacing slightly?

Lunatic
00:00:672 (1) - Ctrl+G?
00:23:490 (8,1,2) - what's with this? a simple direction change on white tick looks and plays better
00:43:126 (8,1) - looks better imo with smaller curve
00:52:672 (3,4,5,6) - spacing seems wrong, 5,6 sound less intense than 3,4 but spacing is other way around
01:06:217 (9,10) - this 1/4 spacing has to be a mistake right? completely unwarranted
01:29:763 (1,2,3) - why is the 1/1 spacing suddenly bigger than 1/2? you didn't do that here 00:28:672 (1,2,3) -
02:36:126 (5,6,7) - why the spacing increase? it would make sense if it was mapped to the vocals but it clearly isn't sinche you omit the next note. The keyboards don't suggest a jump. following rhythm of the keyboard but spacing it according to the vocals is just confusing.
02:49:763 (1) - move to the right so it's in line with 3,4?

Nao Tomori

Nomination Assessment Team

3,089 posts

Joined December 2014

Topic Starter

Nao Tomori 2017-09-20T13:36:02+00:00

fixed everything

edit: responding for lukas too cuz hes on vacation

hohol454 wrote:
M4M

Lukas' Advanced
ar7 bit high for 2.1*
00:27:763 (2,3) - why isn't this stacked like others, doesn't seem different
00:50:490 (1,2) - i would make these into 1/1 slider, feels weird when 1/2 drums stop but the pattern continues without changes. the vocals can be mapped as 1/2 sliders but the contrast isn't there, that's why it works here 02:38:853 (3,1,2) - i agree contrast is lacking but the density would be way too low without it and spamming 1/2 circles isn't appropriate on this difficulty level
01:10:854 (3) - make 3/4 repeat sliders. Guitar joins in yet it's less dense than the same rhythm without guitar 00:47:581 (1,2,3,1) -
01:37:581 (2) - no sound on the sliderend and missed beat on red tick after. Could remove the slider, put a circle on red tick and two 1/2 sliders after, first stacked under the circle. http://puu.sh/xEjjx/a420445370.PNG
01:51:581 (1,2) - same suggestion as before
01:55:945 (1,2,3,4) - why no circles inbetween like 00:54:854 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - it's exactly the same

Last edited by Nao Tomori 2017-09-20T19:01:05+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

953 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-09-20T15:54:18+00:00

Mo's Insane
00:30:126 (1,2,3) - could you make these consistent across the map? you randomly switch between these and ones with sliderhead on the side closer to the first circle like here 01:31:217 (1,2,3) - The direction for these weren't really what I was focusing on, and I think a little variety with these can't hurt.
00:51:945 (1,3) - could remove overlap I guess it's not one of my maps without someone pointing one of these out at least once.
01:10:490 (3,4) - increase spacing slightly? Fix

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_handholding

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_handholding 2017-09-21T02:18:30+00:00

how the fk can I HDDT hard diffs for free pp with these patterns 00:33:036 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -

seriously this section is harder than the 2 higher diffs. I would recommend tthis https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9137959 or https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9137964

Much more intuitive and fits the spread better

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-09-21T02:27:36+00:00

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lunatic
umm. do u really need ar9.2 for 165 bpm song? i think ar9 is good enough tbh
00:33:036 (1,2,3,4) - mm i think you need something indicating that you're switching out of this kind of rhythming pattern 00:31:581 (1,2,3,4,5) -
u established it well with 00:31:581 (1,2,3,4,5) - but i think u need something when switching out
maybe u can just follow the vocals with 3/4 slider +circles
01:34:126 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^
00:47:581 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could raise SV here a bit and do some more.. unique patterns?
00:49:763 (3,4,5,6,1) - u could do a star pattern?
01:50:854 (3,4,5,6,1) - ^
01:05:217 (2,3) - dude.. i really hate how u do the leadin from circles to sliders LOL.. i think its looks nicer to just make it flow with the slider no?

SPOILER

01:10:854 (1,2,3,4) - cud do some more copy pasting here other than some random straight angled sliders tbh
01:18:854 (4) - i think the repeat is pretty unecessary why not just a 1/1
01:54:490 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 00:53:399 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i don't think these 2 are quite consistent..
02:05:217 (3,6) - kinda close.
02:17:126 (4,5) - ^
02:08:217 (6,7,8,9,10,1) - could u make this smoother
02:18:672 (2,1) - tilted
02:20:672 - can u move this stream right and away from the clutter that is 02:19:945 (1,2,3,4,5) -

mo
00:29:036 - skipping snares tilt me

01:05:036 (1,2) - kinda anticlimatic..

hard
00:29:763 (4,5,6) - i think it makes more sense to use a repeat slider like 00:29:399 (3) - cuz they sound the same pretty much
00:41:763 (1,2,3,4) - 01:30:490 (3,4,5,6) - 01:54:490 (1,2,3,4) - ^ i also think its fine to use 2 triplets instead
00:33:036 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the way this pattern is set up makes it a bit hard to interpret, i think the way u do it at 01:34:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is better, with kinda the symmetry and stuff. also both times i think NCing the 01:34:854 (5) - would help too
00:43:217 (1) - u missed one
00:54:126 (5) - ehh maybe try something like this

SPOILER

00:59:217 (1) - so anticlimatic >_>
02:23:581 (1,2) - think u could just copy paste these lol

ik ur reworking lower diffs for spread so ill check those with the final check

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-09-21T03:47:42+00:00

Kibbleru wrote:
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lunatic
umm. do u really need ar9.2 for 165 bpm song? i think ar9 is good enough tbh mh since theres high density rhythms and doubles and streams i think its ok.
00:33:036 (1,2,3,4) - mm i think you need something indicating that you're switching out of this kind of rhythming pattern 00:31:581 (1,2,3,4,5) -
u established it well with 00:31:581 (1,2,3,4,5) - but i think u need something when switching out
maybe u can just follow the vocals with 3/4 slider +circles
01:34:126 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^ i think its' readable and shows the change in the drums okay enough tbh. it isnt particularly intense, and i wasn't following the vocals before at all so like.. weird to follow them here imo
00:47:581 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - could raise SV here a bit and do some more.. unique patterns? raised sv, i think the patterns are fine cuz i dont rly do that kind of 3/4 stuff anywhere else
00:49:763 (3,4,5,6,1) - u could do a star pattern?
01:50:854 (3,4,5,6,1) - ^ think triangle here is fine for variation, like the stack instead of 1/1 jumps
01:05:217 (2,3) - dude.. i really hate how u do the leadin from circles to sliders LOL.. i think its looks nicer to just make it flow with the slider no?
SPOILER
01:10:854 (1,2,3,4) - cud do some more copy pasting here other than some random straight angled sliders tbh
01:18:854 (4) - i think the repeat is pretty unecessary why not just a 1/1 uhh cuz symmetry i guess and i did a 1/2 repeat for the other piano thing in the intro
01:54:490 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - 00:53:399 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - i don't think these 2 are quite consistent.. yea first 1 the baackground is split into 4 parts, 2nd one its split into 2
02:05:217 (3,6) - kinda close.
02:17:126 (4,5) - ^
02:08:217 (6,7,8,9,10,1) - could u make this smoother
02:18:672 (2,1) - tilted
02:20:672 - can u move this stream right and away from the clutter that is 02:19:945 (1,2,3,4,5) -

mo
00:29:036 - skipping snares tilt me
01:05:036 (1,2) - kinda anticlimatic..

hard
00:29:763 (4,5,6) - i think it makes more sense to use a repeat slider like 00:29:399 (3) - cuz they sound the same pretty much well ya but im tryna introduce 1/4 with triples so that the solos arent stupid diffspikes and it spreads into the insane ok
00:41:763 (1,2,3,4) - 01:30:490 (3,4,5,6) - 01:54:490 (1,2,3,4) - ^ i also think its fine to use 2 triplets instead eh with current advanced having no 1/4 adding 2 1/4 instances is too much imo.
00:33:036 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the way this pattern is set up makes it a bit hard to interpret, i think the way u do it at 01:34:126 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - is better, with kinda the symmetry and stuff. also both times i think NCing the 01:34:854 (5) - would help too fixed these according to what kisses said cuz it was a rly random diffspike for no reason lol
00:43:217 (1) - u missed one
00:54:126 (5) - ehh maybe try something like this
SPOILER
00:59:217 (1) - so anticlimatic >_>
02:23:581 (1,2) - think u could just copy paste these lol

ik ur reworking lower diffs for spread so ill check those with the final check

yea buffing "normal" into an actual normal i guess

-Mo-

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-Mo- 2017-09-21T14:41:09+00:00

mo
00:29:036 - skipping snares tilt me

Lower density rhythm is best for this I think, not much else I can do.
01:05:036 (1,2) - kinda anticlimatic.. Changed

sorry for messing up tags

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Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-09-22T05:54:39+00:00

lukas
00:37:399 - why 1.4 sv here and 1.5 on every other kiai?
00:25:581 (3) - is there actually a reason to have this so low? lol i mean its not off screen but like.. u have so much room on top so idk why its forced into a corner like that
00:59:581 (2,1) - try not to overlap?
01:03:581 (7) - i think there's a burai point here?
00:12:672 - here u use 1.2 sv, and then 01:13:763 - this is 1.5
01:25:399 - likewise here ^
02:23:581 - why does the SV lower at the climax :thinking:

normal
01:37:036 (1) -

SPOILER

00:52:672 (4,5) - u map this as a 1/1 00:41:036 (3) -
02:44:308 (2,3) - honestly u should do this across the other parts too, i think this fits the best 01:56:490 - 00:55:217 -

get lukas to fix his stuff lol, major consistency problems

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-09-22T14:16:41+00:00

Kibbleru wrote:
lukas
00:37:399 - why 1.4 sv here and 1.5 on every other kiai?
00:25:581 (3) - is there actually a reason to have this so low? lol i mean its not off screen but like.. u have so much room on top so idk why its forced into a corner like that
00:59:581 (2,1) - try not to overlap?
01:03:581 (7) - i think there's a burai point here?
00:12:672 - here u use 1.2 sv, and then 01:13:763 - this is 1.5
01:25:399 - likewise here ^
02:23:581 - why does the SV lower at the climax :thinking:
all fix
normal
01:37:036 (1) -
SPOILER
00:52:672 (4,5) - u map this as a 1/1 00:41:036 (3) - but this 1 sounds more intense to me
02:44:308 (2,3) - honestly u should do this across the other parts too, i think this fits the best 01:56:490 - 00:55:217 -
uhh changed the 2 2/1 sliders but i think the variation is ok.

get lukas to fix his stuff lol, major consistency problems

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-09-22T16:52:00+00:00

ok all good here

Lasse

Beatmap Nominator

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Lasse 2017-09-22T18:16:27+00:00

~~popped for removing the cute sliders on hard~~

general
02:52:672 - whistle on this would be nice

normal
01:03:217 (4,1,2) - could be less clumped instead of overlapping the other slider so much https://i.imgur.com/HHjFWtY.jpg
01:05:036 - guitar on blue tick seems to stand out way more to me? could probably https://i.imgur.com/3dleIzV.jpg or just 3/2 slider
01:12:126 - would be nice to end spinner here + hitsound, might be too short though#
01:56:490 (2) - why is this so clumped together

something like https://i.imgur.com/HhOhmB4.jpg would be cute and have nicer sliderbody movement on 1

advanced
00:31:944 (4) - could easily be mapped without overlapping like 1/4 of the slider+tail
00:36:672 (1,2) - 2x 1/2 slider works better imo, offbeat focus is ?? and longer tapping gap is nice before cymbal
01:18:672 (5) - don't really get why this would be clickable for similar reason. even just deleting would make rhythm nicer
01:20:308 (2) - hpbar overlaps are kinda gross on low diffs :c
02:26:490 - could snap break start to this
02:44:490 (2,5) - looks weird cause followpoint - no followpoint 1/2 after each other
02:46:126 (6,7,1) - would look better if adjusted for stacking so it looks more like the 1/" before

hard
01:10:854 (1,2) - still seems weird to me to have the sounds grouped like that, if you want clickable blue ticks why not just https://i.imgur.com/jKVZJGh.jpg the slider should be enough to introduce 3/4 rhythm I think. or maybe https://i.imgur.com/kteMT3I.jpg
but having 01:11:945 - mapped passively is tilt
02:23:581 (1,2) - ^
02:36:308 - messed up break snapping

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-09-22T18:35:35+00:00

Lasse wrote:
~~popped for removing the cute sliders on hard~~

general
02:52:672 - whistle on this would be nice doesnt sound good to me tbh

normal
01:03:217 (4,1,2) - could be less clumped instead of overlapping the other slider so much https://i.imgur.com/HHjFWtY.jpg
01:05:036 - guitar on blue tick seems to stand out way more to me? could probably https://i.imgur.com/3dleIzV.jpg or just 3/2 slider i think it comes in on the red tick then shifts up on the blue, so this is ok. not a fan of blue ticks in lowest diff anyway
01:12:126 - would be nice to end spinner here + hitsound, might be too short though# too short, extended it to the end of the guitar sound instead
01:56:490 (2) - why is this so clumped together something like https://i.imgur.com/HhOhmB4.jpg would be cute and have nicer sliderbody movement on 1

advanced
00:31:944 (4) - could easily be mapped without overlapping like 1/4 of the slider+tail
00:36:672 (1,2) - 2x 1/2 slider works better imo, offbeat focus is ?? and longer tapping gap is nice before cymbal
01:18:672 (5) - don't really get why this would be clickable for similar reason. even just deleting would make rhythm nicer
01:20:308 (2) - hpbar overlaps are kinda gross on low diffs :c
02:26:490 - could snap break start to this it is..?
02:44:490 (2,5) - looks weird cause followpoint - no followpoint 1/2 after each other
02:46:126 (6,7,1) - would look better if adjusted for stacking so it looks more like the 1/" before

hard
01:10:854 (1,2) - still seems weird to me to have the sounds grouped like that, if you want clickable blue ticks why not just https://i.imgur.com/jKVZJGh.jpg the slider should be enough to introduce 3/4 rhythm I think. or maybe https://i.imgur.com/kteMT3I.jpg
but having 01:11:945 - mapped passively is tilt
02:23:581 (1,2) - ^
02:36:308 - messed up break snapping

-Mo-

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953 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-09-23T07:55:18+00:00

rip boomerangs

Advanced
- 00:36:672 (1,2) - Hitsounds are inaudible here.
- 00:49:763 (3,4,5) - Inconsistent spacing with 01:50:854 (3,4,5).
- 01:10:854 (3,4,5,6) - Hitsounds don't sound correct here on advanced.
- 01:21:763 (2,3) - Missing hitsounds.
- 02:18:854 (6) - Probably better as a 1/2 for that extra guitar sound.

Pop because of inaudible hitsounds. Lasse and Kibbleru can handle the rest after that.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-09-23T12:55:53+00:00

-_-

-Mo- wrote:
rip boomerangs

Advanced
- 00:36:672 (1,2) - Hitsounds are inaudible here.
- 00:49:763 (3,4,5) - Inconsistent spacing with 01:50:854 (3,4,5). i highly doubt any player would b confused by the pixel differences ._.
- 01:10:854 (3,4,5,6) - Hitsounds don't sound correct here on advanced.
- 01:21:763 (2,3) - Missing hitsounds.
- 02:18:854 (6) - Probably better as a 1/2 for that extra guitar sound. would be too long of a string of 1/2 gaps if i did that.

Pop because of inaudible hitsounds. Lasse and Kibbleru can handle the rest after that.