This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 21 July 2023 at 14:48:08

Artist: RichaadEB & Ace Waters
Title: An Evening With the Unhallowed
Source: Undertale
Tags: rock metal cover toby fox flowey theme your best nightmare determination
BPM: 190
Filesize: 8994kb
Play Time: 05:01
Difficulties Available:

1. n i g h t m a r e f u e l [OLD] (6.23 stars, 1605 notes)
2. YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE (6.5 stars, 1629 notes)

Download: RichaadEB & Ace Waters - An Evening With the Unhallowed
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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28/06/23 - GONNA REMAP THIS COS I STILL LOVE THE CONCEPT BUT MAPPING IS OUTDATED

REMAP FINISHED - JUST NEED TO HITSOUND orz

DONE.
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Resurrected...maybe let's try do something with this.

al...most....the..re

Intro ☑
First Kiai ☑
First Interlude ☑
Second Interlude ☑
Second Kiai ☑
Third Interlude ☑
Fourth Interlude ☑
Third Kiai ☑
Fith Interlude ☑
Sixth Interlude ☑
Fourth Kiai ☑
Build Up ☑
Final Kiai ☑

IT IS DONE.

Thanks to OskaRRRitoS, helix, daiyouseii-, Wanko & Dada for feeback/mods. <3

00:18:002 (2,3,4) - Spacing feels very inconsistent. The music doesn't really weaken that drastically. You could try to incorporate smaller differences in spacing, rather than from 3.27x to 2.03x. This isn't the case for the rest of the kiai, but you might want to think more about distance spacing.

00:23:687 (7,8,9,10,1) - I think I know what you tried to do there, but it doesn't look all that good. It's also inconsistent with other 5-burts in the kiai. I would recommend making a straight stream instead.

00:41:687 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I like this pattern, but the first note feels out of place, compared to the other side.

00:54:238 (7,1) - Slight spacing change compared to rest of the stream.

00:54:318 (1,1,1,2,3) - You might want to sort out the overlaps here. Also, 00:55:739 (1,2) - feels too parallel to the axis. This is more of a suggestion, but it would help aesthetically.

01:01:897 (1) - Suggestion as above.

01:06:002 (2,3,4) - What's with the spacing here. 01:00:950 (2,3,4) - and 01:03:476 (2,3,4) - didn't have such a spacing difference. The music shows the same sound here as the two examples.

01:08:529 (2,3,4) - This pattern is confusing in terms of where each slider is pointing. It implies one way of flow, but goes in the opposite direction.

01:16:581 (5,6) - Weird distance spacing change.

01:21:476 (8,9) - Why does the stream split here? It'd be better to have it split in 4's or not at all. Split after 5 notes looks and feels weird.

01:28:897 (3,4,5,6,7) - This is self explanatory.

01:46:897 (7,10) - Try not to curve the sliders so much. Doesn't look all that good.

01:47:371 (1,2,3,4) - Why do 1,2 and 2,3,4 have the same distance spacing when they have different intervals between notes? It's also inconsistent with 01:48:634 (1,2,3,4) - or 01:49:897 (1,2,3,4) -

02:00:634 (8,9,10) - Sudden spacing in a stream again.

02:03:792 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^

02:05:055 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^

02:08:213 (6,7,8) - ^

02:14:844 (1) - Why put a Full Combo on this note?

02:16:423 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't know how you make your streams but I'd like to introduce you to a friend called Ctrl+Shift+F.

02:18:950 (1) - Slider end should end on the white tick, especially since there are no notes right after it.

02:45:318 (5,6,1) - Stream Spacing.

02:58:108 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Spacing, pls.

03:01:897 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ but also, just check all the streams and bursts in this kiai. The majority at least probably have spacing issues.

03:50:529 (3,4,9,1) - Should be the same spacing as the rest of the stream.

04:10:581 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why does the spacing suddenly get smaller within the triplets?

04:46:266 (7,8,9) - You need to work on your spacing.

That's one killer stream at the end. You might want to incorporate some break, perhaps. Like a 1/4 slider, for example.

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The main problem with this map is the spacing. With jumps, it doesn't always emphasise the correct sounds, and sometimes doesn't show anything at all. In streams and bursts, you very often have varying spacing between consecutive 1/4 notes. Ctrl+Shift+F stops that from happening. You really don't want to make streams by hand. Also, the jumps within streams seem to come across after 5 notes before the jump. I find that weird given most players utilising 4 note sections between jumps. The Combo colours don't always make sense either, at least to me. Especially streams with 5 notes per combo colour where a singe combo colour would probably be better.

All in all, the map is pretty nice. However, you still have much to learn about mapping before your maps become great.

OskaRRRitoS wrote:

00:18:002 (2,3,4) - Spacing feels very inconsistent. The music doesn't really weaken that drastically. You could try to incorporate smaller differences in spacing, rather than from 3.27x to 2.03x. This isn't the case for the rest of the kiai, but you might want to think more about distance spacing. Fixed, I realise that the spacing is slightly random and inconsistent thoughout I just don't have the patience at the moment to incorporate every single object to have relevant spacing, I'll change the major ones but if its just minor I'll just have to work on it for my next map.

00:23:687 (7,8,9,10,1) - I think I know what you tried to do there, but it doesn't look all that good. It's also inconsistent with other 5-burts in the kiai. I would recommend making a straight stream instead. I tried it, but since there isn't any real sound where the slider ends it creates a gap in rhythm and is very jarring, I prefer to have a slider so the slidertail incorporates passive and filler rhythm

00:41:687 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - I like this pattern, but the first note feels out of place, compared to the other side. changed, it was close before cos i don't want the buzz sliders to be annoying, trying to make them as nice to play as possible

00:54:238 (7,1) - Slight spacing change compared to rest of the stream. intended, if anyone else thinks its a problem ill change

00:54:318 (1,1,1,2,3) - You might want to sort out the overlaps here. Also, 00:55:739 (1,2) - feels too parallel to the axis. This is more of a suggestion, but it would help aesthetically. changed, not sure if it's what u meant tho

01:01:897 (1) - Suggestion as above. fixed i think

01:06:002 (2,3,4) - What's with the spacing here. 01:00:950 (2,3,4) - and 01:03:476 (2,3,4) - didn't have such a spacing difference. The music shows the same sound here as the two examples. fixed
01:08:529 (2,3,4) - This pattern is confusing in terms of where each slider is pointing. It implies one way of flow, but goes in the opposite direction. fixed

01:16:581 (5,6) - Weird distance spacing change. fixed (how did u even notice that lol)

01:21:476 (8,9) - Why does the stream split here? It'd be better to have it split in 4's or not at all. Split after 5 notes looks and feels weird. split at 4, good spot

01:28:897 (3,4,5,6,7) - This is self explanatory. welp i hope i guessed right

01:46:897 (7,10) - Try not to curve the sliders so much. Doesn't look all that good. hmmm ok

01:47:371 (1,2,3,4) - Why do 1,2 and 2,3,4 have the same distance spacing when they have different intervals between notes? It's also inconsistent with 01:48:634 (1,2,3,4) - or 01:49:897 (1,2,3,4) - why that is a very good question, fixed

02:00:634 (8,9,10) - Sudden spacing in a stream again. yeah this happens when u do everything by hand xd

02:03:792 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ ye

02:05:055 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ ye

02:08:213 (6,7,8) - ^ ye

02:14:844 (1) - Why put a Full Combo on this note? uhh, i must have already fixed that, its not nc for me

02:16:423 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't know how you make your streams but I'd like to introduce you to a friend called Ctrl+Shift+F. LOL thats what i did, i just did it in bursts of 8 or 16

02:18:950 (1) - Slider end should end on the white tick, especially since there are no notes right after it. woopsy

02:45:318 (5,6,1) - Stream Spacing. zz so picky, fixed

02:58:108 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Spacing, pls. fixxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxed

03:01:897 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ but also, just check all the streams and bursts in this kiai. The majority at least probably have spacing issues. done

03:50:529 (3,4,9,1) - Should be the same spacing as the rest of the stream. wat

04:10:581 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why does the spacing suddenly get smaller within the triplets? if u mean the individual notes, its cos stackings a cunt, if u mean why is the whole thing more stacked, cos its awk to play with it spaced

04:46:266 (7,8,9) - You need to work on your spacing. IM LAZY OKAY

That's one killer stream at the end. You might want to incorporate some break, perhaps. Like a 1/4 slider, for example. i personally think the deathstream at the end isn't as bad as it looks, its the most epic, intense part of the song at at only 190bpm with low spacing its not nearly as hard as it seems, any sliders would completely kill the intensity imo

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The main problem with this map is the spacing. With jumps, it doesn't always emphasise the correct sounds, and sometimes doesn't show anything at all. In streams and bursts, you very often have varying spacing between consecutive 1/4 notes. Ctrl+Shift+F stops that from happening. You really don't want to make streams by hand. Also, the jumps within streams seem to come across after 5 notes before the jump. I find that weird given most players utilising 4 note sections between jumps. The Combo colours don't always make sense either, at least to me. Especially streams with 5 notes per combo colour where a singe combo colour would probably be better.


All in all, the map is pretty nice. However, you still have much to learn about mapping before your maps become great.

>>I agree that the spacing is inconsitent and emphasis is kinda ignored, but holy shit I cannot juggle all those things at once, for me to just finish this map at all i had to just skip over intuitive, perfect placement just so i don't go insane, once i get everything subconcious i can work on these other things better, I tried to make it, as you're playing it, its not really noticable, but if you do look into the editor you will find mistakes, as long as it isn't glaringly obvious while playing thats all i hoped for. I blame the song for make many 5 note jumps patterns tbh, i was following the rhtyhm very carfefully and what i ended up doing made the most sense imo. I'm not really sure what you mean by combo colours, if you want each stream as a NC i think it would get messy on the timeline, I was just sticking to every measure and some exceptions, i may change if other people suggest though. Yeah I agree I still have some things I can do better but I have an insanely low attention span so I only have a limited time to make maps before I get bored of them, i'd love to work on perfect a map over many months, but realistically that ain't ever gonna happen.

Anyways massively appreciate mod, I would never have noticed some of those things, really helpful thanks

just gonna comment on some weird stuff I found throughout the map

I think the main problem I found is just the inconsistencies with the slider overlaps - you'll see stuff like 01:04:423 (1,2) - which is a perfect overlap of slider bodies, but with the second slider being shorter, and then you'll see stuff like 01:54:318 (4,5) - and 01:55:581 (4,5) - which are perfect overlaps of same length sliders, and then later on there's stuff like 02:51:160 (4,5) - and 02:52:423 (4,5) - in which the overlapped note isn't a slider at all. I don't really know how you'd fix this but it's just unintuitive to play and frankly just doesn't really seem like the best of ideas.

other stuff:

01:16:660 (6,7,9) - are these supposed to be muted

01:33:476 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1) - idk but this would feel much smoother with the song if the sliders were low SV instead of just being repeat sliders but that's maybe a personal thing

02:03:792 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - really awkward stop between 5 and 6 that's not really indicated by spacing, maybe make the stream longer or end in a slider?

02:07:897 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - transition into this stream flows like hot bum, also again is this supposed to be muted

03:36:950 (5) - can you make this 5 align with the 2 otherwise it looks bad kthx

03:50:923 (7,8,9,1) - sudden spacing change to the slider looks weird

03:55:581 (3,4,5,6) - what the hyuck is this

03:58:266 (5,6,7,8,1) - can we just talk how this flows horribly if you're doing circular flow and then just slap linear stream transitions in there

03:59:055 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - modern art

04:00:002 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - okay so here you have two options imho - either make the second NC into a full on jumpstream to give it at least some consistency, or change the jumpstream flow so it's not as harsh, because as it stands it just comes out of nowhere for no reason and it's barely indicated

04:50:055 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - can we make the stacked parts in the stream buzzsliders so people dont have to die at the end due to lack of stamina from literally nowhere

i like the map but its very rough around the edges

also i died at the deathstream so remap all thanks

Dada wrote:

just gonna comment on some weird stuff I found throughout the map

I think the main problem I found is just the inconsistencies with the slider overlaps - you'll see stuff like 01:04:423 (1,2) - which is a perfect overlap of slider bodies, but with the second slider being shorter, and then you'll see stuff like 01:54:318 (4,5) - and 01:55:581 (4,5) - which are perfect overlaps of same length sliders, and then later on there's stuff like 02:51:160 (4,5) - and 02:52:423 (4,5) - in which the overlapped note isn't a slider at all. I don't really know how you'd fix this but it's just unintuitive to play and frankly just doesn't really seem like the best of ideas.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm, i get what ur saying, but since they're so far apart in the map and each section is supposed to have a different 'theme' (excluding the repeated thrashing metal kiais) I don't think its that much of a problem, if it was all in the same part then fair enough, I'll wait to see if others say the same thing before changing those
other stuff:

01:16:660 (6,7,9) - are these supposed to be muted its not those, but the jumps after, yeah, woops

01:33:476 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1) - idk but this would feel much smoother with the song if the sliders were low SV instead of just being repeat sliders but that's maybe a personal thing imma keep these are repeats, the previous section was normal sliders, and i've heard a few people saying they like this part, it also fits the song the best imo

02:03:792 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - really awkward stop between 5 and 6 that's not really indicated by spacing, maybe make the stream longer or end in a slider? woops i deleted a note xd


02:07:897 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - transition into this stream flows like hot bum, also again is this supposed to be muted fixed and nope, i fixed these last night and forgot to hitsound them xd

03:36:950 (5) - can you make this 5 align with the 2 otherwise it looks bad kthx fixed

03:50:923 (7,8,9,1) - sudden spacing change to the slider looks weird oki fixed

03:55:581 (3,4,5,6) - what the hyuck is this I DIDNT DO THAT IT MOVED ITSELF, fixed

03:58:266 (5,6,7,8,1) - can we just talk how this flows horribly if you're doing circular flow and then just slap linear stream transitions in there rotated so should all follow circular flow

03:59:055 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - modern art hm? whats wrong with this

04:00:002 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - okay so here you have two options imho - either make the second NC into a full on jumpstream to give it at least some consistency, or change the jumpstream flow so it's not as harsh, because as it stands it just comes out of nowhere for no reason and it's barely indicated hmm, i changed it a little should be a bit easier/sightreadable, the song incorporates groups of 4 and a little jump though i think

04:50:055 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - can we make the stacked parts in the stream buzzsliders so people dont have to die at the end due to lack of stamina from literally nowhere probably not lol, makes it too easy

i like the map but its very rough around the edges

also i died at the deathstream so remap all thanks kys

ty for mod, helpful, some just silly mistakes of not hitsounding and some general fixes, much appreciated <3 keeping the stream tho

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