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sLaiNi
What stuck with me while reading through the game was how it unsettled me that Zekks was about the most anti-town thing I have played with since early Jess-games. I thought that it would be hard to determine if he was scum, but then Doomsday wrote this:

Doomsday wrote:

Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.
Which felt too much like he(she?) was trying to reason his playstyle, rather than getting actual information out of it while still making such a big statement about it. This again makes me sure, that if any of Doomsday (Ace) or Zekks (Aomi) flips scum, I was my decision on who their scumpartner is.

I feel like I want some more reads on Aomi, now that we have the chance that she(he?) is going to play it different.
Hika
dawn*
johnmedina999

Hika wrote:

dawn*
What?? I don't understand your post.
johnmedina999
Oh wait I saw "doomsday", nevermind
Zexion

Hika wrote:

ps I see ur format broke
Fox said that, not me, just for clarification for everyone else that reads ur post zexion.
Oops, yeah, that totally broke. Foxtrot said that.
Hika

johnmedina999 wrote:

Oh wait I saw "doomsday", nevermind
Idk that threw me off too and I just felt weird lol
I'm drilling the fuck out of Aomi tho
Aomi
@mod - requesting replacement, just moved to a new apartment and i dont have stable wifi, so sorry about this. ):
Hika
RECORD BREAKING REPLACEMENTS
Ace Timing
RIP
johnmedina999
I swear, by the end of this game we are going to have a completely different roster than what we started with.

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Foxtrot wrote:

he was mostly onto you but you're obviously not scum because if you went after him right away that'd just be dumb

Foxtrot wrote:

what's with the sudden shift on ace timing? it makes no sense whatsoever. if he was scum, why would he go after the guy who pestered him the most? wouldn't it make it too obvious? same to you, john.
As it was said earlier in this game, the premise of "scum won't do scummy things" is not fit for scomhunting, especially for a more experienced player, so Ace should not be cleared from being Mafia due to the sole fact that he is not acting like one.

Foxtrot wrote:

that said, this new day gave me new reads. i'll go over them once i'm not too tired

town:
Hika
Lincolm
Ace Timing

null:
sLaiNi
Zexion

scum:
johnmedina999
Aomi
Can you go over them now, please?

Hika wrote:

@Foxtrot and John:
If Ace was scum, he probably NK'd abraker to clear himself.
Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
I want you to let that sink in a bit.

And you guys tell me what you think about that.
OK, so I did some research on this term, WIFOM, and I watched this video:
The possibility of a good WIFOM would be a valid possibility, as some other scum could have killed abraker to create WIFOM. However, as I have said before, Ace is a prime suspect because of his interactions. Whether Ace is scum or not, it sure seems that abraker being shot cleared Ace's name with everyone else. Ace is still not off my scum radar yet.

What do you think of my comments, Ace?

Vote: Ace Timing
Ace Timing
its amazing you can take so much space to say nothing at all
johnmedina999
I'm saying that you shouldn't be cleared from being scum, as Foxtrot and Hika have done.
Ace Timing
ok?
Ace Timing
i just dont see why you're voting me
johnmedina999
Because you're my biggest scumread right now. Dawns didn't really leave any hints, and at the end of Day 1 (when you came in), your interactions with abraker make me suspicious.

Ace Timing wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Because he didn't get anywhere doesn't mean he automatically read you town and let you go. Depends on NK, perhaps it can.
I don't say anything abraker died because he intimidated you.
I didn't say that he was going to read me as town, but as scum I would leave him alive cause I know he was never going to lynch me.
This post makes me think you are using reverse psychology, saying that you would never do a thing because it's irrational, hiding the fact that you did. Appeal to emotion, right?
I feel you're scum, so I vote. Is that not what a vote is for?

...maybe I'm just reading these posts too superficially. Or maybe I just suck at this game.
Ace Timing
thats not appeal to emotion but w/e

your vote is just

weightless
Hika
Linc > Aomi > slaini > john > fox > ace

my order for lynching rn
Hika
I see super town coming from fox and john

they have no idea what they're doing
Hika
Now that I think about it my reads look super jacked up
I just can't play this game the same way with all replacements and stufff
Ace Timing

Hika wrote:

I see super town coming from fox and john

they have no idea what they're doing
yeah but maybe they don't know what they're doing because they're scum
Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

I see super town coming from fox and john

they have no idea what they're doing
yup yup yup thanks for understanding
Foxtrot

Ace Timing wrote:

Hika wrote:

I see super town coming from fox and john

they have no idea what they're doing
yeah but maybe they don't know what they're doing because they're scum
???
Ace Timing
????
Zexion

Hika wrote:

I see super town coming from fox and john

they have no idea what they're doing
I agree with john, but I can't shake the feeling foxtrot is just staying in the sideways. I don't agree with john's motive for voting Ace but he is atleast trying to reach some conclussions.

Also I do potentially agree with your lynch order, except I would go for fox after Lincolm or the other way around.
Lincolm
I'm actually too busy to continue play as mafia is in 5th priority in my task list, but I'm too stubborn to get replaced also, so lazy mode turned on. Haven't done reread, but I read abraker's ISO again. I think this is my last time I reread this thread (but only abraker's ISO) with effort lol.

There is nothing interesting at start then he began analyzing player's ISO and clung to Ace. If I remember correctly, the time he began analyzing ISO is quiet passive for most town (at least town of my read), so it generated a lot of activity from there. I think the unfinished analyze also the reason why he get killed. Anyway, abraker's post about his scumread in here I found interesting. Ace still not posting why Hika is town from his POV until now and his reaction about "role-fishing PR" seems exaggerated. This is only personal preference but that kind reaction is what I do as scum lol.

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Ace Timing wrote:

I didn't say that he was going to read me as town, but as scum I would leave him alive cause I know he was never going to lynch me.
why else would I kill him?
There are many (possibility) reasons why a person get killed, not only because "he was never going to lynch scum-me". I'm pretty sure you're more experienced than me, why would you say this?

Ace Timing wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Lul, i never seen self-hammer as scum, but it is funny i can't stop laughing now.
puts you into night faster and stops town from talking as long o/
Good point, but not in this game condition.

Ace Timing wrote:

I like to put my vote down when the day starts. Hence why I voted randomly as soon as I got into the game.
I don't trust this until you post me your game where you voted randomly at LyLo as town lul. I don't mean to mock you, tho, but it is hard to believe there is kind of playstyle like this.

Hika wrote:

Linc > Aomi > slaini > john > fox > ace

my order for lynching rn
Because I'm trying to lynch Ace? K

Where is Zexion? So Aomi or Zexion or both scum in your wagon?

Zexion wrote:

Also I do potentially agree with your lynch order, except I would go for fox after Lincolm or the other way around.
I don't like this at all. Not because you're going to vote me or Foxtrot, but it looks like you know we are going to flip town and trying to chain mislynching right here.

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Foxtrot wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Aomi because you-know-why-and-it-shouldn't-be-discussed
explain this please. is it because of zekks?
Uh, I missed this. Yes. His over confidence is you-know-what.

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Anyway, I might rarely to post because of the condition of real life and less wall post because laziness. I'm not even bother anymore if I get mislynched, furthermore, I don't mind to self-hammer if it is needed. I'm not planning to play as anti-town sooner or later, but my activity will be a burden and I know it will.

I actually like how John jump around at this game, it seems more coming from town than scum.

Aomi < Foxtrot < John < Slaini < Hika < Zexion < Ace Timing

Too lazy to explain again so copy Hika's format lol.
Ace Timing
I didn't say I vote randomly when day starts...
Ace Timing
rolefishing is pretty transparently anti-town, so my reaction is kinda justified tbh
Zexion

Lincolm wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Also I do potentially agree with your lynch order, except I would go for fox after Lincolm or the other way around.
I don't like this at all. Not because you're going to vote me or Foxtrot, but it looks like you know we are going to flip town and trying to chain mislynching right here.
Where did I ever imply any of you would be flipping town?
Hika
Sorry forgot to say I feel as if zexion is town. I'm definitely not putting a vote on Ace or Zex.

I'll vote everyone else except them
Lincolm

Ace Timing wrote:

I didn't say I vote randomly when day starts...
Pretty sure you're not intending to tell everything so let me assume like that.

Ace Timing wrote:

rolefishing is pretty transparently anti-town, so my reaction is kinda justified tbh
Yeah, when I was scum I told myself this also, but then I realized my reaction also more rolefishing than that kind of post. I think I did that in this forum, dunno which game.

Zexion wrote:

Where did I ever imply any of you would be flipping town?
Never? What am I implying is you're trying to chain mislynching both of us from my POV. i.e today we lynch Foxtrot and he flip town, you agreed to lynch me in MyLo and vice versa. From my POV, this is hella no.

It is also 8 players, so we only have 1 free mislynch, but you expressed you agree to lynch one of us in next day when it is MyLo. Based on that, you sure at least one of us is scum also, which I don't know why how did you have that certainty.

Hika wrote:

Sorry forgot to say I feel as if zexion is town. I'm definitely not putting a vote on Ace or Zex.

I'll vote everyone else except them
Tbh, I kinda of regret protecting you at D1 lol. Even I'm too lazy to rage right now.

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I'm gonna take a look at overall VC when I have time. When is the deadline? I don't see it anywhere lol.
Hika
you protected me??? where

Ace isn't even scummy to begin with wtf, I should be voting you then
also deadline is in first post
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I didn't say I vote randomly when day starts...
Pretty sure you're not intending to tell everything so let me assume like that..
bitch what the fuck?

this isnt me not telling you, this is you gleaning entirely separate meanings from my posts and calling me scum for it
johnmedina999

Hika wrote:

also deadline is in first post
Unless I'm mistaken, that's the deadline for Day 1.
Hika
oh my fault I didn't realize that oops
He never updated it, need the deadline then...
Zexion

Zexion wrote:

Where did I ever imply any of you would be flipping town?
Never? What am I implying is you're trying to chain mislynching both of us from my POV. i.e today we lynch Foxtrot and he flip town, you agreed to lynch me in MyLo and vice versa. From my POV, this is hella no.

It is also 8 players, so we only have 1 free mislynch, but you expressed you agree to lynch one of us in next day when it is MyLo. Based on that, you sure at least one of us is scum also, which I don't know why how did you have that certainty.
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For a mis-lynch to happen a player has to be town.
Topic Starter
beeboy123
Deadline is frozen at 48 hours until a replacement for Aomi is found.
Zexion
Hello?
johnmedina999
I thought that we were waiting for a replacement :/
Hika
it me
Topic Starter
beeboy123
To refrain from stalling the game if a replacement cannot be found in 48 hours. (maybe a bit less since it's 3am for me) I will mod kill the Aomi slot and the game will continue normally.
Hika
):
Lincolm
I won't lie. I dodged this thread purposely because I don't want my mind distracted, sorry for all players and our mod also.

Anyway, good luck for everyone regardless your alignment, tell me when the game is over because I want to know everyone role.

@Mod : In the case you mod kill Aomi, can you mod kill mine too?
Hika
Oh no
johnmedina999
Why is this happening on my first game :(
Ace Timing
lol
Hika

Ace Timing wrote:

lol
Lincolm
Shit happens indeed.
Lincolm
Testing one two three
Hika
hi
johnmedina999
...
So are we going to modkill or should we just continue the game as is?
Topic Starter
beeboy123
Lincolm the Vanilla Townie and [ - Zekks - ] the Vanilla Townie have been mod killed.
Game is currently frozen.
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