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Newbie Game 16: Day 2

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johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999

Foxtrot wrote:

John wrote:

Abraker has had fights with both Lincolm earlygame and Ace lategame, which makes me suspect them both immediately.
nope, makes no sense. having fights =/= scum
I never said that, I just said that they are prime suspects because they had the most negative interaction with abraker, so they had the most motive. Also, why are you getting so defensive of Ace? Ever since he joined I was always suspicious of his actions, and even if he is a veteran player, his overly-confident attitude didn't fare too well with me.

I want to see what sLaiNi thinks so far.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Foxtrot wrote:

are you trying to say that if abraker would have survived, he would have kept pushing ace? what makes you think of that?
Why would he not push Ace again if both of them were alive regardless night kill?

Hika wrote:

abraker going self-vote crazy made him look wonky but it definitely cleared him as town... obviously.
No. It is scummy as fuck. Next game there is scum self-vote, you're going to confirm him as town. (I did that in my last game in here lul)

johnmedina999 wrote:

I see that my relative inactivity is turning on me. However, that's because I had no idea what was going on. Now that we have some more information, I can be more active.
Why would you not getting information by yourself? As I said, you're too passive.

johnmedina999 wrote:

Abraker has had fights with both Lincolm earlygame and Ace lategame, which makes me suspect them both immediately. It's worth noting that Lincolm stared PoE Day 1, no less, on abraker before he voted for himself.
I said it is weak reason also, tho.

johnmedina999 wrote:

I never said that, I just said that they are prime suspects because they had the most negative interaction with abraker, so they had the most motive.
You should check how my interaction after I unvoted abraker was negative interaction. I'm gonna wait your response regarding this.

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Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
Self vote is scummy.
I'm not saying it isn't but it is seen more as anti town than scummy.

I don't think scum would do that but he's not here anymore so it doesn't matter.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
@Foxtrot and John:
If Ace was scum, he probably NK'd abraker to clear himself.
Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
I want you to let that sink in a bit.

And you guys tell me what you think about that.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
@Lincolm;
I think abraker would've stopped scumhunting Ace depending on NK.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Hika wrote:

@Lincolm;
I think abraker would've stopped scumhunting Ace depending on NK.
Well, I haven't read again. I just go vote as starter. Btw, it isn't because NK result. I found that his first post is weird post if he is town.
Foxtrot
1,165 posts
Joined April 2012
Foxtrot

John wrote:

I never said that, I just said that they are prime suspects because they had the most negative interaction with abraker, so they had the most motive. Also, why are you getting so defensive of Ace? Ever since he joined I was always suspicious of his actions, and even if he is a veteran player, his overly-confident attitude didn't fare too well with me.
to be fair, most of the people in here had a negative interaction with abraker. some just had it worse. abraker was also the most obvious guy scum could have gone after, unless he was scum himself (which clearly, he wasn't). and why wouldn't i be defensive of ace if i think he's town? NK kind of proved me that he isn't, so there's my reason why i think he's innocent. his overly confident attitude wouldn't have done well if he's scum, either.

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Hika wrote:

If Ace was scum, he probably NK'd abraker to clear himself.
that seems too obvious imo, but it makes sense. maybe scum went after abraker because they thought he had an investigative role, considering the way he was questioning everybody?
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Anyway, I think I can describe my gut. He goes to Foxtrot instantly and said we ignored abraker.

Well, I don't see how Zexion or me ignored him when I read and respond it, especially when abraker asked everyone opinions in his read at Ace Timing and we answered.
Also, D1 Ace holded his vote, but at start of D2 he goes to Foxtrot instantly.

If I remember correctly, tho. Gonna back to work, break time is over.
Foxtrot
1,165 posts
Joined April 2012
Foxtrot

Lincolm wrote:

Anyway, I think I can describe my gut. He goes to Foxtrot instantly and said we ignored abraker.

Well, I don't see how Zexion or me ignored him when I read and respond it, especially when abraker asked everyone opinions in his read at Ace Timing and we answered.
Also, D1 Ace holded his vote, but at start of D2 he goes to Foxtrot instantly.

Hika wrote:

Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
Linc ur being a bit weird.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Bruh, I'm not analyzing NK, but his first post. I already said it also.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Well, address your reason then.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

johnmedina999 wrote:

Abraker has had fights with both Lincolm earlygame and Ace lategame, which makes me suspect them both immediately. It's worth noting that Lincolm stared PoE Day 1, no less, on abraker before he voted for himself.
those fights that had such a powerful impact on me that I was scared of his scumhunting prowess

pls
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing
abraker died because he was a pretty mutual townread from what I saw.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Foxtrot wrote:

he was mostly onto you but you're obviously not scum because if you went after him right away that'd just be dumb
Wut? Wouldn't he push Ace more in D2?
he didn't get anywhere with it yesterday so why would he today?
what from my actions made you think abraker intimidated me enough to nk him?
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Hika wrote:

abraker going self-vote crazy made him look wonky but it definitely cleared him as town... obviously.
No. It is scummy as fuck. Next game there is scum self-vote, you're going to confirm him as town. (I did that in my last game in here lul)
self-vote isn't scum
self-hammer is scum
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Also, D1 Ace holded his vote, but at start of D2 he goes to Foxtrot instantly.
o..k..?
what's the relevance of this?
Foxtrot
1,165 posts
Joined April 2012
Foxtrot

Ace Timing wrote:

Lincolm wrote:

Also, D1 Ace holded his vote, but at start of D2 he goes to Foxtrot instantly.
o..k..?
what's the relevance of this?

Hika wrote:

Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Lul, i never seen self-hammer as scum, but it is funny i can't stop laughing now.
Because he didn't get anywhere doesn't mean he automatically read you town and let you go. Depends on NK, perhaps it can.
I don't say anything abraker died because he intimidated you.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
You hold your vote because you doesn't know which scum you should push. You said Foxtrot, John, and Aomi is scum in your read. You holded it then vote Foxtrot because Hika voted also. And D2 you immediately vote Foxtrot. Why then?
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm
Bro, I don't know what do you want with that post because I think the context isn't related each other. I never said anything about why abraker is dead or something.
Lincolm
258 posts
Joined November 2011
Lincolm

Hika wrote:

@Foxtrot and John:
If Ace was scum, he probably NK'd abraker to clear himself.
Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
I want you to let that sink in a bit.

And you guys tell me what you think about that.
Here is the context you post

Lincolm wrote:

Hika wrote:

@Lincolm;
I think abraker would've stopped scumhunting Ace depending on NK.
Well, I haven't read again. I just go vote as starter. Btw, it isn't because NK result. I found that his first post is weird post if he is town.
Here is my context
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
I'll type some stuff up tomorrow.
@Fox: funny thing is, that's how abraker has played his games. He'll analyze too deep and get caught up on something you said 50 pages ago that's super irrelevant.
he wouldn't put himself "leader in scumhunting" with a PR. I don't think he gave off a cop/tracker vibe or anything. Just a VT generating conversation.

I'll be looking at his ISO and reads and we can come up with something from there.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
Need content from Aomi and slaini.
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Foxtrot wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

o..k..?
what's the relevance of this?

Hika wrote:

Scum could have also created WIFOM to make you think Ace did it.
I think you quoted the wrong post tbh
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Because he didn't get anywhere doesn't mean he automatically read you town and let you go. Depends on NK, perhaps it can.
I don't say anything abraker died because he intimidated you.
I didn't say that he was going to read me as town, but as scum I would leave him alive cause I know he was never going to lynch me.
why else would I kill him?
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

Lul, i never seen self-hammer as scum, but it is funny i can't stop laughing now.
puts you into night faster and stops town from talking as long o/
Ace Timing
4 posts
Joined October 2014
Ace Timing

Lincolm wrote:

You hold your vote because you doesn't know which scum you should push.
no. I held my vote because I couldn't be bothered to move it until you guys tried lynching a townread of mine.

I like to put my vote down when the day starts. Hence why I voted randomly as soon as I got into the game.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
Hello guys,

sorry for taking so long for an answer, it is a bad combination of me reading the message, that I successfully joined the game around 22:00 on that day and having really surprising problems in RL, but I want to read the history of the game concentrated to be able to get into the game.

I will give an useful post tomorrow, as it is 22:25 here.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
prod Aomi @Mod
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
WAKE UP EVERY1
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
Vote Aomi
Foxtrot
1,165 posts
Joined April 2012
Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

WAKE UP EVERY1
i like sleeping and i hate working

i'll try to write something when i come back from work though
Foxtrot
1,165 posts
Joined April 2012
Foxtrot

Hika wrote:

Vote Aomi
how convenient, aomi is in my scum list

mmmh i'll save my vote though
Zexion
308 posts
Joined May 2012
Zexion
Something first: Beeboy did thank me for stealing my PM's so I guess my first post in this game was... inadequate.

Onto the important stuff: long story short, abraker was probably killed because of his charts and the way he made the game "simple to read". Eventually, one of his summaries was going to get one of the scum players caught. Scum not killing Aomi after his claim is the most interesting part of all, but honestly there are so many possibilities here that's not worth the time to analyse them all.

abraker's main scum read throughtout the second part of D1 was Ace, however I still fail to see what was so scummy about his reactions, most of them seem to come from the same attitude I townread.

I'm specially interested about the self-vote that happened early D1, seemed to be triggered by Lincolm's vote on abraker back then, which was the result of also a very early PoE. I'm not really sure, but this vote seems to be very safe from a scum perspective. I'm pretty sure that if Lincolm is scum, he's not scum with Ace.

Foxtrot is the other one that gives me scumvibes. Foxtrot's lastest's post have been incredibly neutral and borderline stating the obvious. Also:

Foxtrot wrote:

Hika wrote:

i feel like abraker got too close at one point and scum freaked out, making him the first victim. and that's also why i was wondering if that was a rookie mistake, because targeting abraker was just damn too obvious. shouldn't the scums go after someone who didn't contribute at all so we could scratch our heads even further? i feel like abraker's death gave us more answers than questions. that said, this new day gave me new reads. i'll go over them once i'm not too tired
Which answer do you think abraker's death gave us? Still waiting for this.

In the meanwhile:

Vote: Foxtrot
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
ps I see ur format broke
Fox said that, not me, just for clarification for everyone else that reads ur post zexion.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
What stuck with me while reading through the game was how it unsettled me that Zekks was about the most anti-town thing I have played with since early Jess-games. I thought that it would be hard to determine if he was scum, but then Doomsday wrote this:

Doomsday wrote:

Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.
Which felt too much like he(she?) was trying to reason his playstyle, rather than getting actual information out of it while still making such a big statement about it. This again makes me sure, that if any of Doomsday (Ace) or Zekks (Aomi) flips scum, I was my decision on who their scumpartner is.

I feel like I want some more reads on Aomi, now that we have the chance that she(he?) is going to play it different.
Hika
1,553 posts
Joined February 2010
Hika
dawn*
johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999

Hika wrote:

dawn*
What?? I don't understand your post.
johnmedina999
296 posts
Joined October 2016
johnmedina999
Oh wait I saw "doomsday", nevermind
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