Suissie wrote:

hello my baby 55

so delete fairy from tags. yes

I would suggest you to lower overall hitsound volume. I played it on 50% 50% and it still was too loud. Parts like 00:48:517 - were hard to acc due to loud hitsounds. I've been asked to up them because they were too low, I think that the player can easily adjust it himself with alt+scroll. If some other tell that I will lower them I guess

I still find those sliders 00:41:850 (1,1) - look better like this http://puu.sh/xnoY3/c257f0a6a1.jpg http://puu.sh/xnoYn/c6c3ef6677.jpg changed

00:52:517 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I dont get why this is the only weird movement in the stream section. I don't find it really weird...

01:01:850 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - This flows kinda weird and the movement always feels always so awkward to me. Just copy and ctrl+H would make a better flow imo because it feels similar like the voice is also pretty similar there. The concept in this part is that the triangles have to not have a real link between them, I made it on purpose. Since this part is incredibly slow I think this is not a problem

01:05:406 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - same here ^

01:08:961 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - you even do it there like I said. ^

01:16:961 (3) - slider there feel kinda weird to me. Replacing it with two 1/2 circles stacked would feel better to me. To me it gives me a better drum feeling and more contrast to the next downbeat since it would make a stop motion and circle to slider also gives more emphasize. the fact is that there is no kick at the slider end, it's why I make it as a slider. A note here would be pure overmap

01:24:517 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - To make this pattern more consistent would I Copy and ctrl+h 01:24:850 (1,2) - and replace 01:25:517 (1,2) - with it. The angles would fit more together. I see what you mean here but if I would be that much "structured" on those, it would be inconsistent with the next part in the song where I make that, because I can't do that ctrl+h thing since their structure are different. I also dont really like having things that much "symetric" and "the same"

01:28:961 (1) - would look like this http://puu.sh/xnpFd/988f7629c5.jpg better imo I prefer how I made it :/

01:32:073 (1,2) - this always confuses me while playing. like you hear the drums there 01:31:628 (1) - and then this idk just weird. It seems like you want to build up pressure but for me that kinda doesn't work well there. Everything sounds similar in this part. It doesn't even support this circle 01:32:739 (3) - . http://puu.sh/xnq3D/4fac092245.jpg this would make more sense to me. Its more predictable and mapped better to the song imo. I know there is some overmap in this part but this is rhythm simplify here. also, the song is way more calm at this part this is why I start with a reverse and do a build up to the little 4 note stream. I also put a reverse because it will give player rhythm since 135 1/4 isn't the simpliest thing to stream after a part that fast. your rhythm idea sound pretty cool but it don't fit my concept here

01:38:443 (2,3) - Dont understand that little spacing. It still sounds same important as 01:37:406 (1,2,3,4) - because 01:37:406 (1,2,3,4) -
are full of snare drums and the 01:38:591 (3) - of 01:38:295 (1,2,3) - is a kick. in my concepts, snares are more powerful that a kick, it's why the spacing get lower here. you can see that I made the same in all the similar parts

01:41:739 (2,3) - Thats not consistent to the rest I think. Map it like 01:40:850 (2,3,4) -. Well you do it more then once actually but I dont get why. Variation ? Exactly, variation. I want those patterns to altern without much logic but that they always follow this syncope made by the rhythm. I altern a lot with those patterns because the rhythm is really constent in those parts

02:08:184 (2,3,4,1) - I think you could do more with this. Kinda sad not to emphasize those drums. Changed, I made this little section look a bit messy because of the kick comming instead of snares, good idea you told me

02:09:628 (1) - I think placing circle on the sliderend would make more sense since its the same as here 02:10:184 (2,1) -. It gives less emphasize without reason imo. Also this replacing with a 1/2 circle would be more consistent since you emphasize drums with sliders. Tbh I find that whole rhythm here 02:08:517 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,3,4,1) - kinda weird tbh. But yeah nothing to be too bothered because its mapped well I guess. I put a sliderend on this note this way the player will start with his main finger and finishing with his main finger after the pattern. I also don't really like to play triples after sliders with a 1/4 gap, so I don't put it on the map. this pattern you tell me happen in the map Nobore and I don't like to play it.

02:14:517 (2,1) - that spacing leads confusion there 02:14:961 (1,1) - because its the same distance but other rhythm. it's because the kickslider will make the player rush to the next pattern, so the distance isn't a real problem here. the following pattern is hard to read on purpose so this slider is like the prepattern of this one

not sure if that spacing there 02:16:517 (3) - makes sense even if it would be mapped to the violin which I doubt makes sense because the rest is mapped to vocal I think. this is just following the build up, the drum is more and more loud in this section and the 3 is more spaced than 2 for that

02:23:628 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - yep you know what I mean. 02:24:739 (2,3) - ctrl+g ^

02:27:184 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - ... dont have to mention it anymore I think ^

02:38:684 (3,1) - I think this is a bit hard to read. a lot of things are hard to read in this map I guess :thonk:

02:41:628 (2,3) - Kinda weird since rhythm is same as here 02:40:961 (1,1,2) - true this pattern was weird and inconsistent, changed it
Meh always so confused because Im so used to prioritize vocals.

02:42:739 (1,2) - I just rly find vocals stands out way more but whatever I think that following drums is a better choice

02:55:184 (1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - same weird thing ^

Idk but ideal sounds like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F3_Cj-fMWw to me xd I see some similarity but not much tbh :thonk:

Im prepared for redwall Maybe Kappa

Linada wrote:

hoy random mod

• Cursed Reincarnation

1. 00:11:446 (1,2) - je pige pas pourquoi tu silence un sliderend et l'autre est audible, silence les deux vu que y'a pas le violon sur les sdend big fail lmao
2. 00:27:073 (2,3,4,5,6) - 5 & 6 niveau playability je sens que c'est un peu trop harsh, vaut mieux que tu mettes un autre triple 1/6 imo Le problème c'est qu'après y'a juste une triple en 1/8 et et un spacing 1/4 et je trouve ça un peu chaud à jouer pour le style de la map
3. 00:47:184 (1) - hitsounds bcp trop fort je trouve dans cette section Changed bud
4. 01:01:406 - j'ai l'impression que ton offset est mega off au niveau des vocals la, j'pense faut mettre une redline a 01:01:394 (1) - (et remettre une a 01:10:739 (1) - ) changé, blame loup doré :thonk:
5. 01:13:850 (1,2,3,4,5) - jcp a entendre c'est trop chelou, si tu silence les sdend ça fait vide mais si tu silence pas ça fait trop :thinking: Ouai je trouve ça un peu chelou aussi mais c'est mieux que l'autre option imo
6. 01:36:295 (2,3) - c'est weird car ici y'a un triple et pas un double, donc imo soit tu met juste un slider qui cover tout soit tu fais une triple, la ton double fait trop out of place imo ouai je sais que y'a une triple mais le problème c'est qu'elle commence sur un tic jaune (LUL) du coup bah le rythme est vraiment imprévisible si je map cette note je pense, je préfère undermap comme ça tbh
7. 01:50:961 (5,6) - pareil que le premier samu
8. 01:54:739 (1) - met un clap sur le premier tic en plus du finish (et sur tout les autre de cette section) le truc c'est que le drummer il joue une snare tellement pas forte à ce moment, que si je met un clap il sera obligé de sonner fort à cause du finish qui pop en même temps, et si je veux qu'on entends le finish bah je met les hs plus forts à ce moment là. en gros je fais un choix entre le snare et la cymbale et le choix est assez logique je pense
9. 02:14:961 (1,1) - les nc font trop spam imo C'est pour bien indiquer que c'est un rythme 1/6 :c
10. 02:22:517 (1) - tbh unnecessary NC same
11. 02:23:167 - si jamais tu trouve qu'il y a un shift pour le premier, du coup ici aussi met une redline et resnap ici 02:32:073 (1) - yeeee
12. 02:59:850 (2,3) - saAame same :c
13. 03:03:406 (1) - tbh unnecessary NC same
14. 03:07:184 (1,2,3) - ton rythme est chelou, si tu follow la guitare ce devrait etre comme ça, la ton triple kicksliders fait pas trop de sens imo J'suis presque sur que le guitariste joue un triolet, à confirmer
15. 03:11:184 (1,2) - je pense que tu pourrais sortir ce pattern du triange d'avant car la y'a 0 emphasis sur le crash
16. 03:14:517 (2,3,1) - par exemple celui ci est ok car t'es dans la même section de la musique je trouve que les deux ont autant d'intensité,
    c'est vrai que pour mieux emphasis j'pourais les bouger les deux mais après je casse toute la structure du pattern, et c'est pas si grave imo. en plus la part est déjà assez dure comme ça LUL
17. 04:12:739 (2,3) - saem eeeeeeeeeeee
18. 04:27:406 (5,6) - lalalala uuuuuuuuuuuu
19. 05:46:230 - tu pourrais add un circle ici :thinking: même si ça change rien bah vu que je follow la guitare uniquement... :thonk:

also enleve "female voice" des tags ça a pas trop de sens imo Comment ça mes tags ils sont chelous

cool map tu peux enfin bouger ton q et rank une map !!! J'esper mek

loliforz wrote:

good stuff

hey!
from my queue

1. 00:41:850 (1,1,2,3) - Not big deal but you could move this more to left. There's a 3/4 beat apart from (2) to NC'd (1), but we have almost the same DS from previous (1) to (2), and it feels like we don't have a proper "cursor movement progression" following vocals with this "same" DS.
2. 00:53:850 (1) - Huge %Volume drop, it doesn't feels great while playing, seems like something on your headset/fone went wrong.
3. 00:50:628 - wtf this -15% section even crashes osu
4. 01:00:961 (1) - This slider looks better Ctrl+G'd
5. 01:01:837 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why there's no hitsounding on these patterns? It sounds really poor. The same goes to next similiar patterns, try some whistles.
6. 01:01:394 (1) - This note is 1ms off, fix snapping.
7. 01:11:184 (1) - This slider also looks better Ctrl+G'd
8. 01:31:628 (1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - Hey that's pretty cool, but 01:32:073 (1,2) - should be a little more spaced and (2) should overlap (1) more, because reaching this second slider and going to next combo right after isn't a easy move to perform, so you should make part of movement lighter.
9. 01:33:406 (1,2,3) - That's a hard move too, I think that (1) should be less spaced to promote less stress than necessary on player.
10. 01:36:295 (2,3) - If you move a little bit up and right you get a better cursor flow while playing.
11. 01:47:628 (1) - You could do a curved shape like this. A straight slider with previous movement could force some combo breaks due aim tension.
12. 01:47:961 (2,3,4) - Would be great a smaller spacing here from (1) with the slider shape change
13. 02:23:167 (1) - Two points with different volume and sample cannot exist.
14. 02:35:184 (1) - Minor suggestion but Ctrl+G here looks a little better to me here. Really optional since actual disposal also works fine.
15. 02:42:073 (2) - Why not Ctrl+G? Movement flows way lighter on this way. I mean, imo that's a unnecessary flow "break". You could also increase spacing between 1 and 2.
16. 02:55:628 (1,2) - Decrease spacing a little and increase overlap for smoother transition between combos.
17. 03:05:739 (2) - Straight spaced doesn't feels great, move this a little bit to right.
18. 03:13:405 (2) - This is not snapped.
19. 04:08:517 (1,2) - Overlap on this movement seems fine but you could do the same for patterns consistency. Reduce snaping too. You probably should reduce spacing on 04:08:739 (2,1) - too.
20. 04:24:073 (1) - You could do a curved shape and move a little up to prevent unwanted combo breaks.

Pulse wrote:

hey!
from my queue

[Cursed Reincarnation]

1. 00:41:850 (1,1,2,3) - Not big deal but you could move this more to left. There's a 3/4 beat apart from (2) to NC'd (1), but we have almost the same DS from previous (1) to (2), and it feels like we don't have a proper "cursor movement progression" following vocals with this "same" DS. changed but not much since the left border of the map
2. 00:53:850 (1) - Huge %Volume drop, it doesn't feels great while playing, seems like something on your headset/fone went wrong. upped a bit
3. 00:50:628 - wtf this -15% section even crashes osu ok dayum wtf did I did
4. 01:00:961 (1) - This slider looks better Ctrl+G'd I want it this way :c
5. 01:01:837 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Why there's no hitsounding on these patterns? It sounds really poor. The same goes to next similiar patterns, try some whistles. well since all the notes she sings are the same intensities nothing is fitting tbh
6. 01:01:394 (1) - This note is 1ms off, fix snapping. it's normal, there is a red line in this part because the voice is shifted a bit
7. 01:11:184 (1) - This slider also looks better Ctrl+G'd Same I prefer it this way :c
8. 01:31:628 (1,1,2,1,2,3,4) - Hey that's pretty cool, but 01:32:073 (1,2) - should be a little more spaced and (2) should overlap (1) more, because reaching this second slider and going to next combo right after isn't a easy move to perform, so you should make part of movement lighter. tbh I thing it flow pretty easy this way
9. 01:33:406 (1,2,3) - That's a hard move too, I think that (1) should be less spaced to promote less stress than necessary on player. changed
10. 01:36:295 (2,3) - If you move a little bit up and right you get a better cursor flow while playing. true, changed
11. 01:47:628 (1) - You could do a curved shape like this. A straight slider with previous movement could force some combo breaks due aim tension.Yeah true, changed
12. 01:47:961 (2,3,4) - Would be great a smaller spacing here from (1) with the slider shape change well tbh with an held 1/1 slider spacing can be a bit higher without disturbing player
13. 02:23:167 (1) - Two points with different volume and sample cannot exist. lol true
14. 02:35:184 (1) - Minor suggestion but Ctrl+G here looks a little better to me here. Really optional since actual disposal also works fine. since the kick act like a stronger note than the two before, I want the flow to be "broken"
15. 02:42:073 (2) - Why not Ctrl+G? Movement flows way lighter on this way. I mean, imo that's a unnecessary flow "break". You could also increase spacing between 1 and 2. Well I use this pattern each time this part appear in the song, and I want to emphasis the kick this way :c
16. 02:55:628 (1,2) - Decrease spacing a little and increase overlap for smoother transition between combos. same as the first kiai, I want it to be like this
17. 03:05:739 (2) - Straight spaced doesn't feels great, move this a little bit to right. ? I didn't understand
18. 03:13:405 (2) - This is not snapped. now it is
19. 04:08:517 (1,2) - Overlap on this movement seems fine but you could do the same for patterns consistency. Reduce snaping too. You probably should reduce spacing on 04:08:739 (2,1) - too. well those sliders are so stacked it should act like a "break" for the flow, you just should wait at the same place with your cursor so this flow like a stacked double but it's mapped differently
20. 04:24:073 (1) - You could do a curved shape and move a little up to prevent unwanted combo breaks. Changed!

Such a great map, good luck! Thanks mate!

Sotarks wrote:

xenok always here this da good song

[cursed reincarnation]
00:29:628 (2,3) - can you put like a 1/8 slider instead, beat is not so intense yeah but since the map is based on finger technic and this pattern isn't that hard to hit, I will let it like this
00:30:517 (1,1) - why spamming nc here ? true, too much nc without sense, changed
01:32:961 (1) - moreeeeeeee sv a changed
01:32:073 (1) - stuff like this would be prefered to have 2 circles to emphasis on clap I see what you mean but it's not how I want to build up this section
01:32:739 (3,4) - this can be 1/4 slider same, the big 1/4 spacing is wanted here, I think that putting a 1/4 slider would destroy this gimmick
02:55:628 (1) - same this can be 2 circles for the claps same D:
03:02:147 (3) - rip hitsound It's made on purpose, there is no snare but a kick at this circle especialy, it's why it's spaced lower also
03:38:183 - a slider here could be nice I want to map on kick and snare here, not cymbals :c
03:46:073 (2,3) - the transition here is pretty hard, how about making 03:46:184 (3,4) - this a 1/8 slider? I don't really see how I could make that with still having a circular flow how I made for the other 1/8 sliders in the map, I see how this section is a bit harder than the others 1/8 triplets in the map but I don't really see how to organise them in this pattern, I prefer let it like this for the moment
04:23:628 (1,2,3) - rhythm choice here is meh, 04:23:628 (1,2) - this should be ctrl g I see what you mean, you say that for emphasising claps but tbh passing from a 1/6 rhythm into a 1/4 without sliders to help is freeeaking hard to play, I prefer simplifying this rhythm choice for playing purpose
at some places the ncs makes literally no sense to me but eh who cares :c

nice map!
gl with that Thanks a lot

-Space- wrote:

placeholder, hit me up if i dont put a mod here by tomorrow night

hey, from my Q

I'm still fairly new to modding higher difficulties although I have done a few, so sorry if my mod is a bit opinionated and subjective at times.

[General]

1. Your BPM at the start is a bit odd. You've tried too hard to time the strings even though they're not leading the beats, it's the bell things (idk what they're called).. Anyway, I found it sounded better at 80bpm at the beginning with roughly 935 as the offset. Then, 135bpm at roughly 16,960 offset. Since it's GoldenWolf that timed the song I won't pronounce myself on that, but I'm pretty confiant with his timing so I will just poke him about that. Also, I want to follow violins here, it's clearly what the player will hear the most, and I think it's the leading sound of this part.
   

[Cursed Reincarnation]

1. 1. 00:15:165 (1,2,3,4) - I don't think this part compliments the part 00:15:726 (1,2) well, because you'd expect a more speedy transition, and the stacks kind of mislead the user. What I mean by this is that you've stacked two on 1/4 then made 00:15:389 (3,4) - spaced. Feels kind of odd especially with the buildup into a 1/2. Well if I wanted to reprensent this part how I hear it, it would be a 1 (23) 4 pattern, with 2 and 3 stacked, but since it's unplayable I made it this way. Still think it reprensent well the part, and if it would be "missleading", the player would just restart at this point...
   2. 00:17:295 (2,3,4,2,3) - I believe you should keep the same rhythm types on these parts for a better consistency leading into the heavier part of the song. Would be very boring. Since there are 3-4 rythmical patterns, it's just a mix up of representing the same rythm differently.
   3. 00:28:295 (3,1) - Maybe consider blanketing here for a slightly better aesthetic? It's not mean to be a blanket at all :/
   4. 00:30:295 (8,9,1) - I think you can make a better circular flow which would match the style you're mapping potentially better as well as reinforcing fluid cursor movement, maybe try something like this: I never use circularflow in this part of the song, each time this part happen in the song.
      I want it to not be like the other parts since the cymbal does (hit blank hit), so I try to follow that
      
      sliders

      
   5. 01:00:961 (1,1) - Nazi blanket Fixed
   6. 01:03:615 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I feel you could make a more coherent and crisp pattern here, right now it doesn't feel like it holds much character the way it is,maybe try something like this: Your proposition is just not following my thought about this part of the song. I want it to looks how I did it,
      and it's totally subjectiv at this point
      
      triangle thing idk

      
   7. 01:07:171 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - ^ ^
   8. 01:37:406 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Whilst being comfortable and nice to hit, just like above I don't feel they have any synergy with eachother or your style of mapping (I personally believe from what I see you excel at mapping neatly) and I believe that giving actual shapes to these jumps would make a nicer overall look for the player. Meant to be this way. I want those jumps to not have polygonal jumps since those jumps cover a triplet snare part in the song, remembering like a military rhythm. Those snare aren't the most regular sounds and I want the jumps to represent that.
   9. 01:53:184 (2,6) - Potential stack? It would make that harder to read without no reason. Also, I don't stack this kind of things during the whole map
   10. 02:13:184 (1) - This wave slider is inconsistent as the curve at the end is way more subtle than the curve at the beginning, making the end curve more pronounced would fix this and create a good opportunity to blanket 02:13:739 (2,1) inside said curve. You are true, this curve wasn't really well made, changed
   11. 02:17:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Perhaps make this a perfect star for the same reasons as above about synergy and whatnot same, I want to represent the snare sound by "unstructure" here
   12. 02:25:389 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Same as 01:03:615 (1,2,1,2,1,2) . same
   13. 02:39:517 - Add a note, there is quite a strong emphasis with vocals here and the spacing is also a bit inconsistent around this part with 02:39:628 (2,3) being spaced further away whilst being a 1/4. but this part is mapped to drums
   14. 03:00:961 (1,2,3,4) - I think this works and looks better as a cross square jump, as shown: same, snare thing
       
       square

       
   15. 03:02:147 (3) - x:416 y:88 so it's central in the previous two notes, again just my aesthetic-based opinion Here, the note is more approched from the 2 than the 1 since it's a kick resouning behind this note, being less powerful than a snare

Might as well stop here, since I will be repeating a lot of the same suggestions. Basically just focus on the shapes and patterns you're making I believe your map will heavily benefit if you use more precise and coherent shapes in your jump that work well with eachother. Remember to take in vocal and music emphasis as well so you're not over/under mapping and part! Well, most of the things you said were meant to be this way. If you want to see a more visually structured map by me to prove that everything in this map is choice and not incapacity, here's a map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/665744

Really fun map, would love to see this get ranked and your hitsounds are great! Thx dude

- Frontier - wrote:

q
most are subjective

[General]

1. what's the point on having color 1 here? i can't see any orange color in the background? It's because of my autism, I changed background but not combo color , changed
2. since there is no storyboard so using widescreen is unnecessary. tick out please yes
3. Wave hitsound with possible delay > 5ms: soft-hitfinish2.wav looks like it was having some delay, changed
4. i think color 3 is quite dark. it could be difficult for players to read in gameplay. maybe try to lighten up little bit? tried to remove darker

[Metadata]

1. i suggest that the title should have some spaces between slash (like "Fairlady:Reincarnation / Ideal", like this map does.). so that it could be much easier to read imo. sure
2. since the song is from Queen A'rcadia album. why don't you add this in tags. It's in now
3. i don't think adding "high bpm" in tags would be nice idea cuz the song itself isn't too fast. i think it would fit with speedcore maps instead. (like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/381103) I see, changed!

[Cursed Reincarnation]

1. 04:34:211 - having 2 green lines is unrankable. but the other one is a red line? https://i.imgur.com/glKQue5.png
2. 00:16:738 (2,1) - i think ds between here is quite too far. they are just 1/8-beat apart from each other. maybe try to make them closer. Since it's an held slider and the next element is in the same direction of the slider, slider leniency will just do the work pretty easily[/color]
3. 00:20:517 (1) - why blank here? i can't hear any significant stop sound here. making 1/4-beat slider like the others might be better. At this special part, the crash cymbal hits, so I want to do like a stop, but you are directly leaded to the next object that isn't at the same place as this note. I do it aswell at
4. 00:27:628 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - these have as same rhythm as 00:16:962 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - but why they are mapped differently? consider making them the same plz. Because this whole part is a part where I mix up a lot of rhythm pattern fitting with the song rhythm.
5. 00:32:517 (3) - since there is a slow sv here, adding nc here might be better for players. Ok
6. 00:57:184 (1,1) - why don't you make streams here like you did on 00:53:850 (1,2,3,4) -? Was unconsistent, changed
7. 01:10:739 (1,1) - i think the movement is quite lack here because 01:10:739 (1) -'s flow likely to go right side but 01:11:184 (1) - is forcing players to go back left slide again. Man this spacing is so small LUL
8. 02:15:628 (1,2,3) - i think you could enlarge this part bigger so that players may not confused between 1/4 and 1/6. The gimmick here was to do that it's the same length of the 1/6 but at 1/4, like if there is 8cm for 4 1/6 notes there is 8cm for 3 1/4 notes. I can understand that it's hard to read so if someone else tell me that I will change that.
9. 02:19:628 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - since this part here is crescendo like 02:16:073 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -. so making them the same could be great idea imo. true, the crescendo was not marked at all in this part
10. 02:34:739 (1,1) - :joy:
11. 03:07:184 (1,1,1) - aren't they should snap like this? i heard this part closely and i noticed that the notes didn't follow the song correctly. Possible. I will quickly ask goldenwolf about that he has a nice rhythm ear, will change if he agree

i think your map nc too frequent, like every 2-3 hitobjects lol. i think reducing them could be better, also the map is quite ambiguous cuz you can't tell that which is 1/4-beat apart or 1/2. Reading is a entire part of this map. I want the map to have some hard to read parts. The rhythm is pretty tricky in the song so fingercontrol and reading is something I want the player to use a lot in the map. About the NCs, it's mostly because it's an "highbpm map" and I try to nc every downbeat so if I use long sliders the downbeat will just be 3 items after. You can check this highbpm map that has a lot of small combos: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/701018
GL~ Thank you

Nozhomi wrote:

K flemme d'anglais.

[Cursed Reincarnation :]

1. Le timing me semble un peu bizarre au début, genre on sent que le violon est décalé à 00:00:749 - , ou encore le tic à 00:01:704 - . Ce ne sont que de petits ajustements mais nécessaire. Je demande à GoldenWolf vu que c'est lui qui a timé :c
2. Les combo colors ne sont pas assez différents les un des autres je trouve. Dans certains cas, comme pour les 1/6 (00:23:406 (1,2,3,1) - ) ça manque un peu de lisibilité sur le NC. Essaye quelque chose comme ça https://puu.sh/xJCeU/9d1a3a66aa.png . Changé!
3. 00:16:738 (2) - L'extend sonne super mal ici (les hitsounds n'aident pas aussi). Je pense qu'un simple 1/4 ou un circle est bien suffisant pour la transition, ça fera moins violent après l'accélération. Justement, le fait que le slider se tient plus longtemps est un avantage pour le joueur à mon avis,
   de plus, la slider leniency est bien assez permissive vu que le prochain élément dans la même direction que le slider. J'ai cependant mute le slider-end qui n'avait aucune raison d'être mute effectivement
4. 00:27:406 (5,6) - C'est hardcore à cette vitesse ce genre de rythme, alors que tu es encore dans la phase de découverte, je trouve que c'est brutal ce genre de pattern. Un reverse serait bien assez pour faire découvrir au joueur le genre de chose qu'il pourrait voir. J'ai fais testplay la map à 5-6 personnes facilement, aucun n'a eu de soucis sur ce pattern car il a carrément le même rythme que 00:23:850 (2,3) - mais un des deux éléments est un slider 1/8 à la place d'une simple note, du coup c'est le même pattern en terme de jouabilité... Je pense sincèrement que c'est pas un soucis à ce moment de la map. De plus, ça me dérangerais de changer ce pattern car ça serait le seul qui différencierait des autres dans la même part plus loin dans la musique
5. 01:17:628 (1,2,1,2) - Ils sont vachement plus violent que 01:24:517 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - alors qu'ils sont dans la même section musicale, mais eux ne sont pas avant le kiai qui pourrait expliquer pourquoi ils sont comme ça pour donner l'emphasis à la section suivante. Nerf donc. Si ce pattern est si "puissant", c'est parce que de un, les drums frappent sur des chinese cymbals, ce qui marque une puissance extrême a mon avis, mais en plus, il change le patterning des snares qui donne une sorte de syncope bousculée, marquant fortement les 01:17:628 (1,1) - . De deux, la voix prend un ton particulièrement intense, ce qui, additionné au deux, justifie l'intensité de ce passe à mon avis. En vrai, je ne pense pas que ce pattern soit plus intense que l'autre que tu a link, car celui-ci fait un pattern "(break)mouvement(break)mouvement(break)", alors que le deuxième fait un "mouvement-mouvement(break)mouvement-mouvement(break)etc... ce qui demande beaucoup plus d'effort de reading et de technique
6. 01:35:517 (3,4,5) - Je trouve ce genre de flow un peu bizarre. Tu le casse entre 01:35:739 (4,5) - alors qu'il n'y a pas vraiment de raison. Et à ce BPM ça devrait rester fluide. M'ouai, je trouve ce flow assez basique, et puis il peut suivre cette direction sans soucis vu que c'est littéralement le dernier pattern de la part. Le pattern se joue de manière assez fluide imo. Si c'est un réel problème j'aviserai de le changer
7. 01:36:516 - Overall je trouve que cette partie est extrêmement en bordel. Tout s'overlap de manière pas très propre et détruit la lisibilité de tes patterns,
   genre 01:36:517 (1,1,1) - ça c'est pas beau, et ça non plus 01:37:406 (1,2,3,4) - . 01:36:517 (1,1,1) - j'ai réorganisé ces 3 sliders pour qu'ils overlappent de manière plus lisible. Cependant, cette part utilise des jumps non-"geométriques" car le batteur utilise un rythme ternaire sur la caisse claire qui rappelle cet effet "militaire", et donc un genre de musique un peu vieillot. De plus, le coup d'une caisse claire est moins régulier que le son produit par un coup de grosse caisse, ce qui rappelle l'irrégularité dans le son d'un enchaînement de caisse claire.
8. 01:38:295 (1,2,3) - Pk le spacing serait différent alors que c'est 3 fois un snare ? Je veux dire t'as mis plus d'emphasis entre 01:38:295 (1,2) - que 01:38:591 (3,1) - c'est pas normal ^^' et c'est valable pour les autres fin de kiai évidement. Justement, écoute bien, c'est un coup de grosse caisse à chaque fois, c'est pour ça que la note est placée plus proche 01:38:591 (3) - 01:39:480 (3) - 03:02:147 (3) - 03:03:036 (3) - 04:15:036 (3) - 04:15:924 (3) - Il y'a un kick ici à chaque fois
9. 01:36:295 (2,3) - Je trouve que faire jouer le 1/8 n'est pas worth, c'est déjà une partie compliqué, et un simple 1/4 slider fait amplement le travail pour couvrir la voix + drum ici. C'est valable pour les autrs kiai bien sur. Le son à 01:36:350 - est extrêmement puissant, ce qui me ferait du mal à ne pas le mapper, mais j'avoue que ce pattern peut être assez compliqué à engager si on ne s'y attend pas. Je me demande si il y a un moyen de mieux taper ce pattern en gardant un clic du joueur à 01:36:350 - ? Je n'arrive pas vraiment à trouver un pattern qui fit bien, c'est pourquoi j'ai mappé cela de cette manière. Si tu pouvais me donner une proposition qui fit bien là dessus je serai ravis de l'appliquer
10. Je suppose que tu as une raison de skip les beats de vocal genre 02:09:850 - ou d'instru 02:11:627 - ? Oui, cette part est mappée sur les drums! je met bien en avant les pauses avec des longs sliders, c'est pour ça que j'ignore les vocals, les drums utilisent beaucoup de cymbales et de manière très marquée, c'est pour ça que je pense que les drums sont l'élément principal de la part
11. Au passage tes NCs sont bizarre dans cette section, genre 02:10:295 (1) - ça n'a pas de raison d'être NC, on est en fin de phrase vocal, et ça n'a pas le mérite d'être emphasis par un NC. Je pense que revoir ça ici ne serait pas de trop.Vu que la part est mappée sur les drums, j'ai décidé d'NC à chaque fois que le drummer tape sur une cymbale, c'est pour ça que j'ai NC si souvent. Si tu penses que c'est too much, je vais reNC cette part
12. 02:46:628 - Tu laisses la voix vide mais pas pour 02:44:850 (3) - ? :thinking: drum mapping dans ces parts too :/
13. 03:03:628 (1) - Ça fini sur la lifebar XD Changed LUL
14. 03:14:073 (2,3,1) - Le fait que ce soit du 1/8 devrait être plus évident et moins brutal en terme de spacing. Le petit gap est mortel à cette vitesse. J'ai space plus et stacké le 1/8
15. 04:39:011 - Pourquoi c'est le seul à être skip ? En fait je ne sais pas pourquoi tu skip certaines notes de l'instru tout court sur cette partie genre 04:48:611 - ou 04:43:811 - . Parce que la boite à musique joue des notes aiguës (celles que je follow sur cette outro, 04:38:411 - , 04:39:611 - ) et des notes graves (jouées toutes les croches, 04:39:011 - , 04:43:811 - , 04:44:411 - , 04:48:611 - , etc...) D'ailleurs, dans la partie qui suit (04:54:622 - ) je follow la guitare, qui remplace les notes hautes jouées par la boite à musique dans la partie précédente.
16. 05:00:030 (1,2,3) - The spacing. C'est un réel problème à cette vitesse?

Voilà, je pense que du hard modding pour esthétique ne serait pas de trop. Bah, concrètement, la plus part des esthetic choices de la map sont des choix et non des maladresses, je pense notamment à 00:47:184 - qui possède des unpolished streams, lié au fait que la partie est jouée à la caisse claire, donnant cet effet d’inconsistance du son, et aussi à 01:36:961 - , 03:00:961 - , 03:20:517 - et 04:13:406 - pour les exactes mêmes raisons. Si tu veux voir comment je peux appliquer des patterns full polished et suivant des patterns géométriques, je t'invite à aller voir cette map qui contient énormément de patterns snappés et géométriques: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/665744
Mukyu~ c:

- Frontier - wrote:

i suggest that the title should have some spaces between slash (like "Fairlady:Reincarnation / Ideal", like this map does.). so that it could be much easier to read imo.

AyanokoRin wrote:

- Frontier - wrote:

i suggest that the title should have some spaces between slash (like "Fairlady:Reincarnation / Ideal", like this map does.). so that it could be much easier to read imo.

I'm not sure if that's allowed, would rather ask kwan/doyak

also add these this and this to tags ( from album cover )

Lama Poluna wrote:

Also i think
Artist: 葉月ゆら×世の漆黒×Symholic & Paspal or 葉月ゆら & Paspal
Romanised Artist: Hatsuki Yura x Toki no Shikkoku x Symholic & Paspal or Hatsuki Yura & Paspal

http://queenarcadia.12-i.net/

Naotoshi wrote:

[edgy diffname]
some of the things i say repeat 3 or more times! you should be able to tell where the other locations are because the map has very strong structure, so i'm not ging to say them all the times!

00:09:956 (1,2) - would b cute to make them circles since there isnt a pickup note on the slider end like the other sliders. I see what you mean sound wise, but mapping wise I don't understand you idea, you want to only make the slider heads as circles, or slider tails too?
If I make only slider heads, it would be akward to have no objects on 00:10:323 - 00:10:865 - , and if I would make tails clickable, it would be akward to only have those one like this, wouldn't it? Maybe I didn't understood your proposition, feel free to reexplain me

02:23:167 (1) - feedback in these areas is very low in game. idk what you did with hitsounding but i can barely hear the notes i am clicking. please change sample Changed!

01:12:739 (3,3) - imo these would be better as circles. not that important I tried and found it very akward, looks like it make a strange stop

01:15:628 (1,2,3,4,1) - rhythm here is kinda fucky, 1-2 on vocals, 3 on drum, 3 end on vocal 4 on drum 1 on vocal? lol I removed 01:15:961 (2) - to only follow drums

01:18:516 (2) - sound like it should be 2 circles to me. better buildup this way Changed! I hope I made it as you entended because I'm not sure lul, but I like the way I made it

01:23:516 (3,4) - the blue ticks are really weird imo. there's nothing in the song supporting these really, just a normal rhythm with circle at01:23:516 - > slider > circle would work much better imo.. There are two snares on the blue tics, but I admit they aren't really easy to hear. Here again I'm not sure to understand well your proposition on how I should change it...

01:32:071 (1,2) - tht blue tick under 1 end is much stronger than 2. how about circle+repeat slider instead? I changed it to make the two sounds covered by 1 as notes and let 2 as a slider, so it's not exaclty what you proposed but feel pretty logic like this aswell I guess

01:53:517 (4,5,6) - sounds like 5 should be a slider based on your hitsounding lol I see what you mean but in those fast parts I try to make kick and snare clickables and only let blank sounds to slider tails

02:08:073 (1,2,3,4) - u should distinguish this more cuz its not the drum spam like earlier lol It's what I tried to do with the stream shape no being a slider convert but a bit more messy, isn't it enough?

03:03:184 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1) - would be cute to follow the guitar here to introduce the guitar solo imo I tried by putting two 1/4 sliders and one 1/3 jump before but sound so strange switching like this, like I don't know what to follow, I think it would be more consistent and logic to follow drums here (even if I tried to make a slider shape that remember guitare sound with 03:03:628 (1) - , not sure it's really appealing even if it is to me). Maybe if you put me a proposition that please me I would do it

overall imo the guitar solo has too high spacing on the background drum stuff lol. kinda messes thefocus on the guitar up when you hve fullscreen jumps onto random drum beats and the guitar is all distance snapped since this part is 1/4 I'm a bit scared of putting different spacing between 1/4 notes to reflect guitare. I think it would be too hard compared to the rest of the map. Maybe I didn't understand what you proposed again

03:13:295 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this entire pattern is ridiculously uncomfortable to play imo I played the map a lot of time and find it flowing pretty well! Strange

03:16:739 (2,3,4) - theres a guitar thingy here but u drown it out with drums =((( Changed!

03:43:961 - triple! I hear a little sound at this timestamp but following bass since I was following drums isn't a bit strange?

lmk when u respond iguess Sure c:

Naotoshi wrote:

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dont think its weird to have only cicles at 00:09:956 (1,2) - lol
i mean theres only 1 violin on each slider, but the other sliders all have 2. so it makes sense to have 1 object (circle) cmpared to 2 (slider head and tail)

having the one that doesnt have pickup notes different makes sense, right?

01:23:517 (3,4) - these things are weird to me cuz i can just hear drum sounds on all of the ticks, and the one on the white tick is quite strong too. sso it just sounds kinda out of place to have it on a slider end imo.

http://puu.sh/y3I9R/ff46083dcc.jpg like this

02:08:073 (1,2,3,4) - not different enough lol, spacing is mre or less the same.. try making a circular motion or something that makes you have to move the cursor or recognize a different pattern from a line

guitar solo:

03:07:850 (2,3) - 03:06:073 (2,3) - this spacing on a drum vs 03:04:628 (4,1,2,1) - this on a guitar. basically the drums feel more impactful than the guitar, since it's low bpm streams for the guitar and jumps for the drums.

the part with slider jumps on guitar is fine, but u can do more dynamic stuff with the streams imo (i mean you already hve tons of more spaced / jumpy/ angular 1/4 stuff) and also nerf the halfscreen drum jumps lol

also 03:16:850 (3,1) - really should be a slider.. fits your hitsounding and the song much better. i take back what i said about the guitar lol But you first told me to follow the guitare, putting a slider woudln't drown 03:16:961 (1) - again?

03:13:295 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - it's weird cuz, if u look at all your other patterns, they are all back and forth based. but this one has a linear zig zag thing instead. ofc if you play it a lot you will expect it and it will feel natural, but for others it stick out a lot as it's the only time you use that motion though it isnt on something special in the song. I tried very hard to change it, tell me if it's ok for you, not sure it's better than before

Delis wrote:

can you get someone whos cool at timing someone else from gw, I feel like the timing needed to be double plus some metronome resets additionally (01:12:072 - vs 02:35:628 - etc) but I'm not too sure sadly. I can clearly say the offset should be around -15 but since the timing points sometimes don't rely on previous timeline (for example: 02:23:167 (1) -) this might need to be variable in every timing change. I will search for timing

00:03:033 (2,3,1) - I don't think these really are necessary to be in this bottom. I mean, you could've moved the chain of the combo slightly up to make these more comfortable for tablet user, or just for me. it doesn't break anything anyway. Isn't that super personnal opinion? I don't see why I could not use the bottom of the map
00:05:448 (1) - why don't you just snap the slider tail on the next blue tick, since the timing lines in this part aren't supported for the piano and the violin still continues to 00:06:388 - so most likely this is ???. Nice proposition
00:22:295 (1) - I don't really get both the jump onto 00:22:517 (1) - and the nc spam afterward. for the 00:22:295 (1) - this sv change is causing reading 00:22:517 (1,1,1,1) - a lot harder even though the music doesn't indicate anything for it, and then the quite fast sv on 00:22:517 - doesn't really allow players to feel the incredible sv change comfy. https://delisha.s-ul.eu/UD38nPbn I would just put the slider like how the 3/4 looking like slider generally should be. and for the new combos it's a bad usage after the slider 00:22:295 (1) - when they have different rhythm actually? at least I would have one more sv change in the middle (00:22:739 -) to make the nc spam more sense, more ideally would just make them more jumpy to avoid misunderstanding the rhythm with 00:22:295 (1) - otherwise the patterning here doesn't make sense to me at all. The nc spam and the sv change is here to support the chinese cymbal that the drummer hit, a very powerful cymbal imo. I even hitsound it to make it more clear. About the "jump", here slider leniency do a great work.
Even if, the player would see a stop on the previous slider and see the next slider appearing a bit more far, so he will just rush it, giving him the good momentum to follow the sv change without problem. the nc is used in every slider to promote more power, I don't think it's prohibited to use nc spam even if there is no slider velocity change, and it is exaclty how I want it to be. In the case of playability of this pattern, I made testplay this map to a lot of players and any of them told me this pattern was unpredictible, especially hard or not fitting. I think I explained my thought enough to prove why I made this like this and how it's making sense to me...
00:27:406 (5) - in the case if you didn't notice, it's overmapped. I'm not really a fan of 1/4 sliders in 270 bpm because it plays too lol but aside that you can remove the clap on the slider tail. it's not really overmapped since the drummer is giving two little snare hit, even if they're not really loud it's clearly the rhythm the song is giving imo, you can also hear the synth that is doing some noises in 1/4 at this part, following the same rhythm. Since it's only snare playing I don't really see why I should remove the clap. About the playability of a 1/8 135bpm slider, it actually play like a 1/4 jump with just this slider tail in between, the only thing that will change is READING wise where the player could missread. Also I can't just consider the player reading skill in this pattern since if you have a normal reading skill it shouldn't affect him. here again, I didn't see any players having problem with this pattern
00:30:517 (9) - would be nice if the slider tail were heading to the circle instead of a bad blanket. I'm sorry I didn't understand your proposition
00:31:517 - the slider head seems to be suitable for a finish or something. Totally, chinese cymbal finish added here
00:32:961 - normal finish?? Totally, added
01:06:726 (3) - normal finish fits better tbh you're true, the drummer is playing a crash cymbal and not a chinese cymbal here, but I really like how it sounds here and it add a bit of variety for the following cymbal being a normal too, I want to let it like this because I really like how it sound
01:14:739 - unless it's on purpose normal finish fits better same as above, it add some variety and fit really well imo
01:36:350 (3) - the slider should be snapped in 1/6 (01:36:368 - ) so its tail as well. Looks like being the rhythm I wasn't finding, nice
01:50:961 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same
01:59:628 (5,1) - eh, why. the sound where (5) is at indeed doesn't sound as strong as 01:59:738 - but it definitely deservers some emphasis according to your spacing logic in this section? for example, 01:56:073 (1) - and 01:56:517 (1) - are emphasized in spacing even though the sounds in music are just slightly louder in comparison, and so, 01:59:517 (4,5) - are much different compared to the two I brought up yet they're in the same group with 01:59:184 (1,2,3,4) -. if 01:59:739 (1) - is really important that makes you to break the entire patterning here, that might be reasonable. although what about 02:01:739 (4) - ? this seems to really reserve the emphasis in spacing if 01:59:628 (5,1) - is the thing but you did nothing here. I haven't checked all the sound in this part fully so more can be found out, doing it was kind of a pain to me so orz. You are right, changed them even if I think it will be even harder to play lol
02:38:239 (6,1) - 02:38:684 (3,1) - obvious in game play but they look really similar to 02:37:628 (2,3) - 02:37:961 (4,5) - lol would be better to have them visually more clean that can be differentiated at first glance. You are totally true but I don't know how I would make this more clear. Usually,
when something is faster (1/4 vs 1/8), making the spacing smaller just solve the case but here since it's already stacked I don't really see how I should make it more clear. If you have a good idea I take it gladly
02:59:906 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
03:14:239 (3) - is this needed to be mapped out? the 1/6 burst 03:10:517 (1,2,3) - was somehow reasonable because it can be a transition onto the new section which the guitars are more intense but this doesn't work like that so without it can be more friendly for players. I think it would be more challenging! also, it's not hard to play that tbh, it's clearly visible that it's 1/8 and plays pretty well imo, don't need to be nerfed since it's not very hard to play
04:12:795 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
04:22:739 (1) - don't you think not using 45 degree slider can look greater xD https://delisha.s-ul.eu/prub4Vvt Well it's not really the flow I want to give at this pattern, you can clearly see that I tried to make the same kind of flow at 00:22:517 - and 01:46:072 -
04:27:406 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same

uh what, the song named Ideal is never hitsounded? I didn't think it was needing an hitsounding but I do it so doesn't this make it unrankable according to the ranking criteria already xD. anyway I'm popping this due to the timing issues/snapping errors I've given in my mod, and also I think this can improve more before this is going to be in the ranked section. like I didn't really repeat myself about your patterning here but you could just consider them into the entire difficulty not just one point, so maybe gathering more mods would help it I think. merging two songs into one to be appropriate length for app is... super lame though. Well I'm not the first mapper to do that, and I don't think it's a bad thing since the composer "Paspal" clearly used the same sonorities in Ideal that in the intro of fairlady with his "bells" and sound pretty similar imo.

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Xenok wrote:

Delis wrote:

can you get someone whos cool at timing someone else from gw, I feel like the timing needed to be double plus some metronome resets additionally (01:12:072 - vs 02:35:628 - etc) but I'm not too sure sadly. I can clearly say the offset should be around -15 but since the timing points sometimes don't rely on previous timeline (for example: 02:23:167 (1) -) this might need to be variable in every timing change. I will search for timing

00:03:033 (2,3,1) - I don't think these really are necessary to be in this bottom. I mean, you could've moved the chain of the combo slightly up to make these more comfortable for tablet user, or just for me. it doesn't break anything anyway. Isn't that super personnal opinion? I don't see why I could not use the bottom of the map >personal opinion: what. modding must be something that only points out things that only make sense on your logic completely??? no way that's really impossible. I have no idea why you sounded like triggered anyway, just you could've said that my opinion is trash. to get to the point, why did you have to use the bottom of the playfield and having a small blank in the top then? I've already explained why and it's not just my fucking personal opinion this goes for anyone who has larger tablet area, or small hand with somehow large area either way, and it's a super easy fix which doesn't make anything in this section worse. plus to use the mapping field on balance I don't really see why you would sue this that hard.
00:05:448 (1) - why don't you just snap the slider tail on the next blue tick, since the timing lines in this part aren't supported for the piano and the violin still continues to 00:06:388 - so most likely this is ???. Nice proposition
00:22:295 (1) - I don't really get both the jump onto 00:22:517 (1) - and the nc spam afterward. for the 00:22:295 (1) - this sv change is causing reading 00:22:517 (1,1,1,1) - a lot harder even though the music doesn't indicate anything for it, and then the quite fast sv on 00:22:517 - doesn't really allow players to feel the incredible sv change comfy. https://delisha.s-ul.eu/UD38nPbn I would just put the slider like how the 3/4 looking like slider generally should be. and for the new combos it's a bad usage after the slider 00:22:295 (1) - when they have different rhythm actually? at least I would have one more sv change in the middle (00:22:739 -) to make the nc spam more sense, more ideally would just make them more jumpy to avoid misunderstanding the rhythm with 00:22:295 (1) - otherwise the patterning here doesn't make sense to me at all. The nc spam and the sv change is here to support the chinese cymbal that the drummer hit, a very powerful cymbal imo. I even hitsound it to make it more clear. About the "jump", here slider leniency do a great work.
Even if, the player would see a stop on the previous slider and see the next slider appearing a bit more far, so he will just rush it, giving him the good momentum to follow the sv change without problem. the nc is used in every slider to promote more power, I don't think it's prohibited to use nc spam even if there is no slider velocity change, and it is exaclty how I want it to be. In the case of playability of this pattern, I made testplay this map to a lot of players and any of them told me this pattern was unpredictible, especially hard or not fitting. I think I explained my thought enough to prove why I made this like this and how it's making sense to me... poorly "the momentum" thing here doesn't work well at all. it just plays bad which only makes the flow worse. I still don't get the point of the slower slider can be a thing and so the jump onto 00:22:517 (1) - ? the sv changes here are pretty non sense for the sake of structure so why don't you just have these nc spams, sv changes etc in everywhere. 00:19:850 (2) - there's the chinese cymbal sound (it's just your custom hitsound tho...) but u did nothing effective in game play such as sv change, even emphasizing isn't done at all even though the actual reason of this being problem came out. the sound here is exactly same as 00:22:961 - only just thing that might be different from it is how strong the sound is, which is only slightly different in volume. alright this can be enough for your point to be invalid about the jump from the very slow slider, but what about 01:45:850 (1) - this is properly done unlike 00:22:295 (1) - and so 01:46:517 (1) - is also making the pattern good enough not just underwhelming small spacing stuff yet still you're against my point here for some reason. i also would say "because players DIDN'T MENTION" is something valid to argue due to that's not what you did or anything, if this were a thing I would just deny all mods by saying "its fine cuz my friend said so" lol.
00:27:406 (5) - in the case if you didn't notice, it's overmapped. I'm not really a fan of 1/4 sliders in 270 bpm because it plays too lol but aside that you can remove the clap on the slider tail. it's not really overmapped since the drummer is giving two little snare hit, even if they're not really loud it's clearly the rhythm the song is giving imo, you can also hear the synth that is doing some noises in 1/4 at this part, following the same rhythm. Since it's only snare playing I don't really see why I should remove the clap. About the playability of a 1/8 135bpm slider, it actually play like a 1/4 jump with just this slider tail in between, the only thing that will change is READING wise where the player could missread. Also I can't just consider the player reading skill in this pattern since if you have a normal reading skill it shouldn't affect him. here again, I didn't see any players having problem with this pattern I don't know if I'm deaf but I've never heard any snare sound that supports the clap sound on the slider tail. if you still think the random synth sounds need to be followed you're obviously ignoring it at 00:27:239 - that should be followed by making the slider 1/8 but few ms later you got the logic that to follow all the sounds played in background and forgotten a sec later already (if the logic goes right 00:28:073 - should also be followed through this diff but never happens all the time.) and I'm not saying 1/8 in this bpm is causing me mad because i cant play, I'm good enough to play this map rofl.
I'm just saying that because it plays bad.
00:30:517 (9) - would be nice if the slider tail were heading to the circle instead of a bad blanket. I'm sorry I didn't understand your proposition https://delisha.s-ul.eu/Th9efLi6
00:31:517 - the slider head seems to be suitable for a finish or something. Totally, chinese cymbal finish added here
00:32:961 - normal finish?? Totally, added
01:06:726 (3) - normal finish fits better tbh you're true, the drummer is playing a crash cymbal and not a chinese cymbal here, but I really like how it sounds here and it add a bit of variety for the following cymbal being a normal too, I want to let it like this because I really like how it sound
01:14:739 - unless it's on purpose normal finish fits better same as above, it add some variety and fit really well imo those just make u look like "loo i wanna go edgy nothing else" but fine, nobody cares hitsounds in 2017 anyway.
01:36:350 (3) - the slider should be snapped in 1/6 (01:36:368 - ) so its tail as well. Looks like being the rhythm I wasn't finding, nice
01:50:961 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same
01:59:628 (5,1) - eh, why. the sound where (5) is at indeed doesn't sound as strong as 01:59:738 - but it definitely deservers some emphasis according to your spacing logic in this section? for example, 01:56:073 (1) - and 01:56:517 (1) - are emphasized in spacing even though the sounds in music are just slightly louder in comparison, and so, 01:59:517 (4,5) - are much different compared to the two I brought up yet they're in the same group with 01:59:184 (1,2,3,4) -. if 01:59:739 (1) - is really important that makes you to break the entire patterning here, that might be reasonable. although what about 02:01:739 (4) - ? this seems to really reserve the emphasis in spacing if 01:59:628 (5,1) - is the thing but you did nothing here. I haven't checked all the sound in this part fully so more can be found out, doing it was kind of a pain to me so orz. You are right, changed them even if I think it will be even harder to play lol
02:38:239 (6,1) - 02:38:684 (3,1) - obvious in game play but they look really similar to 02:37:628 (2,3) - 02:37:961 (4,5) - lol would be better to have them visually more clean that can be differentiated at first glance. You are totally true but I don't know how I would make this more clear. Usually,
when something is faster (1/4 vs 1/8), making the spacing smaller just solve the case but here since it's already stacked I don't really see how I should make it more clear. If you have a good idea I take it gladly https://delisha.s-ul.eu/WYSc2k0m just manual stack the 1/8s solves
02:59:906 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
03:14:239 (3) - is this needed to be mapped out? the 1/6 burst 03:10:517 (1,2,3) - was somehow reasonable because it can be a transition onto the new section which the guitars are more intense but this doesn't work like that so without it can be more friendly for players. I think it would be more challenging! also, it's not hard to play that tbh, it's clearly visible that it's 1/8 and plays pretty well imo, don't need to be nerfed since it's not very hard to play [color=#4
000BF]I sincerely don't know what you're saying, 1/8 in this bpm can't be easier in any way. and it's still farther from the previous slider which requires a bit of reading ability, only how the circles look like is the way to judge that it's a 1/4 or 1/8.[/color]
04:12:795 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
04:22:739 (1) - don't you think not using 45 degree slider can look greater xD https://delisha.s-ul.eu/prub4Vvt Well it's not really the flow I want to give at this pattern, you can clearly see that I tried to make the same kind of flow at 00:22:517 - and 01:46:072 - quite irrelevant though. you could've made 04:22:499 (1) - 45 degree as well otherwise the concept here is not understandable for anyone since the first high sv slider wasn't left out of the 2 fast sliders afterwards in the other sections. to explain more in detail, 01:46:055 (1,1) - these are connected in flow, 00:22:515 (1,1) - is also obviously connected as it's used small spacing each other, but 04:22:499 (1) - is just being together with 04:22:277 (1) - but 04:22:721 (1) - so who would notice it's related.
04:27:406 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same

uh what, the song named Ideal is never hitsounded? I didn't think it was needing an hitsounding but I do it so doesn't this make it unrankable according to the ranking criteria already xD. anyway I'm popping this due to the timing issues/snapping errors I've given in my mod, and also I think this can improve more before this is going to be in the ranked section. like I didn't really repeat myself about your patterning here but you could just consider them into the entire difficulty not just one point, so maybe gathering more mods would help it I think. merging two songs into one to be appropriate length for app is... super lame though. Well I'm not the first mapper to do that, and I don't think it's a bad thing since the composer "Paspal" clearly used the same sonorities in Ideal that in the intro of fairlady with his "bells" and sound pretty similar imo.nothing can make sense unless the song called "Ideal" is the after story of "Fairlady:Reincarnation", plus the official mentioned that it actually is. otherwise it's just lame af

Thanks for the mod, it is really useful

Delis wrote:

Xenok wrote:

can you get someone whos cool at timing someone else from gw, I feel like the timing needed to be double plus some metronome resets additionally (01:12:072 - vs 02:35:628 - etc) but I'm not too sure sadly. I can clearly say the offset should be around -15 but since the timing points sometimes don't rely on previous timeline (for example: 02:23:167 (1) -) this might need to be variable in every timing change. I will search for timing

00:03:033 (2,3,1) - I don't think these really are necessary to be in this bottom. I mean, you could've moved the chain of the combo slightly up to make these more comfortable for tablet user, or just for me. it doesn't break anything anyway. Isn't that super personnal opinion? I don't see why I could not use the bottom of the map >personal opinion: what. modding must be something that only points out things that only make sense on your logic completely??? no way that's really impossible. I have no idea why you sounded like triggered anyway, just you could've said that my opinion is trash. to get to the point, why did you have to use the bottom of the playfield and having a small blank in the top then? I've already explained why and it's not just my fucking personal opinion this goes for anyone who has larger tablet area, or small hand with somehow large area either way, and it's a super easy fix which doesn't make anything in this section worse. plus to use the mapping field on balance I don't really see why you would sue this that hard. Didn't want to sound triggered lol, sorry. It just that it's the first time I saw this kind of argument and found it strange. Well if you think it's important it's changed.
00:05:448 (1) - why don't you just snap the slider tail on the next blue tick, since the timing lines in this part aren't supported for the piano and the violin still continues to 00:06:388 - so most likely this is ???. Nice proposition
00:22:295 (1) - I don't really get both the jump onto 00:22:517 (1) - and the nc spam afterward. for the 00:22:295 (1) - this sv change is causing reading 00:22:517 (1,1,1,1) - a lot harder even though the music doesn't indicate anything for it, and then the quite fast sv on 00:22:517 - doesn't really allow players to feel the incredible sv change comfy. https://delisha.s-ul.eu/UD38nPbn I would just put the slider like how the 3/4 looking like slider generally should be. and for the new combos it's a bad usage after the slider 00:22:295 (1) - when they have different rhythm actually? at least I would have one more sv change in the middle (00:22:739 -) to make the nc spam more sense, more ideally would just make them more jumpy to avoid misunderstanding the rhythm with 00:22:295 (1) - otherwise the patterning here doesn't make sense to me at all. The nc spam and the sv change is here to support the chinese cymbal that the drummer hit, a very powerful cymbal imo. I even hitsound it to make it more clear. About the "jump", here slider leniency do a great work.
Even if, the player would see a stop on the previous slider and see the next slider appearing a bit more far, so he will just rush it, giving him the good momentum to follow the sv change without problem. the nc is used in every slider to promote more power, I don't think it's prohibited to use nc spam even if there is no slider velocity change, and it is exaclty how I want it to be. In the case of playability of this pattern, I made testplay this map to a lot of players and any of them told me this pattern was unpredictible, especially hard or not fitting. I think I explained my thought enough to prove why I made this like this and how it's making sense to me... poorly "the momentum" thing here doesn't work well at all. it just plays bad which only makes the flow worse. I still don't get the point of the slower slider can be a thing and so the jump onto 00:22:517 (1) - ? the sv changes here are pretty non sense for the sake of structure so why don't you just have these nc spams, sv changes etc in everywhere. 00:19:850 (2) - there's the chinese cymbal sound (it's just your custom hitsound tho...) but u did nothing effective in game play such as sv change, even emphasizing isn't done at all even though the actual reason of this being problem came out. the sound here is exactly same as 00:22:961 - only just thing that might be different from it is how strong the sound is, which is only slightly different in volume. alright this can be enough for your point to be invalid about the jump from the very slow slider, but what about 01:45:850 (1) - this is properly done unlike 00:22:295 (1) - and so 01:46:517 (1) - is also making the pattern good enough not just underwhelming small spacing stuff yet still you're against my point here for some reason. i also would say "because players DIDN'T MENTION" is something valid to argue due to that's not what you did or anything, if this were a thing I would just deny all mods by saying "its fine cuz my friend said so" lol. ok changed
00:27:406 (5) - in the case if you didn't notice, it's overmapped. I'm not really a fan of 1/4 sliders in 270 bpm because it plays too lol but aside that you can remove the clap on the slider tail. it's not really overmapped since the drummer is giving two little snare hit, even if they're not really loud it's clearly the rhythm the song is giving imo, you can also hear the synth that is doing some noises in 1/4 at this part, following the same rhythm. Since it's only snare playing I don't really see why I should remove the clap. About the playability of a 1/8 135bpm slider, it actually play like a 1/4 jump with just this slider tail in between, the only thing that will change is READING wise where the player could missread. Also I can't just consider the player reading skill in this pattern since if you have a normal reading skill it shouldn't affect him. here again, I didn't see any players having problem with this pattern I don't know if I'm deaf but I've never heard any snare sound that supports the clap sound on the slider tail. if you still think the random synth sounds need to be followed you're obviously ignoring it at 00:27:239 - that should be followed by making the slider 1/8 but few ms later you got the logic that to follow all the sounds played in background and forgotten a sec later already (if the logic goes right 00:28:073 - should also be followed through this diff but never happens all the time.) and I'm not saying 1/8 in this bpm is causing me mad because i cant play, I'm good enough to play this map rofl.
I'm just saying that because it plays bad. ok changed
00:30:517 (9) - would be nice if the slider tail were heading to the circle instead of a bad blanket. I'm sorry I didn't understand your proposition https://delisha.s-ul.eu/Th9efLi6 applied thanks
00:31:517 - the slider head seems to be suitable for a finish or something. Totally, chinese cymbal finish added here
00:32:961 - normal finish?? Totally, added
01:06:726 (3) - normal finish fits better tbh you're true, the drummer is playing a crash cymbal and not a chinese cymbal here, but I really like how it sounds here and it add a bit of variety for the following cymbal being a normal too, I want to let it like this because I really like how it sound
01:14:739 - unless it's on purpose normal finish fits better same as above, it add some variety and fit really well imo those just make u look like "loo i wanna go edgy nothing else" but fine, nobody cares hitsounds in 2017 anyway. sorry if I sound like that but it's just my personnal touch I want to add to the map, it's not about being edgy
01:36:350 (3) - the slider should be snapped in 1/6 (01:36:368 - ) so its tail as well. Looks like being the rhythm I wasn't finding, nice
01:50:961 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same
01:59:628 (5,1) - eh, why. the sound where (5) is at indeed doesn't sound as strong as 01:59:738 - but it definitely deservers some emphasis according to your spacing logic in this section? for example, 01:56:073 (1) - and 01:56:517 (1) - are emphasized in spacing even though the sounds in music are just slightly louder in comparison, and so, 01:59:517 (4,5) - are much different compared to the two I brought up yet they're in the same group with 01:59:184 (1,2,3,4) -. if 01:59:739 (1) - is really important that makes you to break the entire patterning here, that might be reasonable. although what about 02:01:739 (4) - ? this seems to really reserve the emphasis in spacing if 01:59:628 (5,1) - is the thing but you did nothing here. I haven't checked all the sound in this part fully so more can be found out, doing it was kind of a pain to me so orz. You are right, changed them even if I think it will be even harder to play lol
02:38:239 (6,1) - 02:38:684 (3,1) - obvious in game play but they look really similar to 02:37:628 (2,3) - 02:37:961 (4,5) - lol would be better to have them visually more clean that can be differentiated at first glance. You are totally true but I don't know how I would make this more clear. Usually,
when something is faster (1/4 vs 1/8), making the spacing smaller just solve the case but here since it's already stacked I don't really see how I should make it more clear. If you have a good idea I take it gladly https://delisha.s-ul.eu/WYSc2k0m just manual stack the 1/8s solves applied thanks
02:59:906 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
03:14:239 (3) - is this needed to be mapped out? the 1/6 burst 03:10:517 (1,2,3) - was somehow reasonable because it can be a transition onto the new section which the guitars are more intense but this doesn't work like that so without it can be more friendly for players. I think it would be more challenging! also, it's not hard to play that tbh, it's clearly visible that it's 1/8 and plays pretty well imo, don't need to be nerfed since it's not very hard to play I sincerely don't know what you're saying, 1/8 in this bpm can't be easier in any way. and it's still farther from the previous slider which requires a bit of reading ability, only how the circles look like is the way to judge that it's a 1/4 or 1/8. Sorry I really think that this isn't a problem at all. I just mapped the beat and I don't see how it can make it that much harder. But I still moved
04:12:795 (3) - same as 01:36:350 (3) - changed
04:22:739 (1) - don't you think not using 45 degree slider can look greater xD https://delisha.s-ul.eu/prub4Vvt Well it's not really the flow I want to give at this pattern, you can clearly see that I tried to make the same kind of flow at 00:22:517 - and 01:46:072 - quite irrelevant though. you could've made 04:22:499 (1) - 45 degree as well otherwise the concept here is not understandable for anyone since the first high sv slider wasn't left out of the 2 fast sliders afterwards in the other sections. to explain more in detail, 01:46:055 (1,1) - these are connected in flow, 00:22:515 (1,1) - is also obviously connected as it's used small spacing each other, but 04:22:499 (1) - is just being together with 04:22:277 (1) - but 04:22:721 (1) - so who would notice it's related. ok changed
04:27:406 (5) - same as 00:27:406 (5) - same

uh what, the song named Ideal is never hitsounded? I didn't think it was needing an hitsounding but I do it so doesn't this make it unrankable according to the ranking criteria already xD. anyway I'm popping this due to the timing issues/snapping errors I've given in my mod, and also I think this can improve more before this is going to be in the ranked section. like I didn't really repeat myself about your patterning here but you could just consider them into the entire difficulty not just one point, so maybe gathering more mods would help it I think. merging two songs into one to be appropriate length for app is... super lame though. Well I'm not the first mapper to do that, and I don't think it's a bad thing since the composer "Paspal" clearly used the same sonorities in Ideal that in the intro of fairlady with his "bells" and sound pretty similar imo.nothing can make sense unless the song called "Ideal" is the after story of "Fairlady:Reincarnation", plus the official mentioned that it actually is. otherwise it's just lame af Yeah sure but I still think it goes well both joined. I mean, if the composer would have made it like this it wouldn't be a problem,
so why it is if I joined it like this. I mean, if the composer would have put this kind of outro it would have been ok for everyone. I understand peoples can find that lame but it's a very personnal opinion imo. I hope you understand my point of view, next time I will search for a 5min song even if I like it less

Thanks for the mod, it is really useful

Naotoshi wrote:

00:05:448 (1) - this is dumb cuz now there is a tick there, gj Applied even if Delis told me to do that LUL

00:22:515 (1) - this should not be nc'd it is in same musical phrase as 00:22:293 (1) - . The nc was here to tell the player the sv was changing, but if you think it's unnecesarry then it's changed

00:23:182 (1,1) - same The nc was here to tell the player the rythme is 1/3, but if you think it's unnecesarry then it's changed

00:57:293 (2,1) - since there is no finish here it is weird to have a big jump like this changed

01:00:959 (1) - i dont get why you skip this piano note on the red tick, it's quite loud it initially was like this because I follow drums and there is no drum hit here but if you think it's important it's changed

01:24:499 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is overly high pressure for what the song is doing, reduce the spacing imo imo it fit very well, I feel the song is pretty powerful here, including the rythme, syncope and acceleration coupled by the voice change

01:55:165 (1) - why this is ncd? I want to fc each group of 4 notes here following the drums 02:14:943 (1,1) - ? I wanted to nc to prevent it's 1/6 but it's changed 02:25:832 (1,1) - ? the voice here do a couple of two notes everytime,
since I mapped it this way I think it's more logical to nc to support the voice gimmick 02:41:165 (1,1) - to prevent the 1/4 rhythm change, I would hardly not see it not nced 03:40:943 (1) - again the rule of 4-4-4-4, but since there is nothing in the song that support that i changed it

02:22:499 (1) - remove nc, there is no division in the song here changed everytime it happened

02:57:499 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - this transition is really painful since 02:57:499 (4,5,6,1) - sets up a clockwise rotation then there is a massive jump in the opposite direction and a flow reverse off of that. try to make it more lenient Totally true, changed

03:17:832 (1) - all of these really sound like they should end at the red tick tbh. the sounds on the red tick are always really clear and not worth ignoring.Totally ok for this one since the guitare is hitting, but for 01:18:721 (1) - 03:55:166 (1) - 02:45:832 (1) - there is a bass slide and nothing on red tick, I think I should let the like this

04:11:277 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - same issue here as aabove changed

04:13:092 (1,1) - remove ncs?
there is nothing suggesting them to be nc'd imo - same at the other places. changed everytime it happen

04:38:411 (3) - if youre sticking a shitty filler song at the end can you at least make the sliders in it look decent lol but I don't think it look like shit wtf? it's just an usual curve

04:55:225 (1,2,3) - this looks weird cuz 1-2 is on the x axis and 3 is randomly diagonal at some other angle. try and make them match better Changed

05:42:325 (6,1,2) - same thing here, 5-6-1 does not relate well. and also 05:42:325 (6,1,2) - at least use consistent visual spacing z Changed

i feel like the random drum finish +clap spam 01:36:499 (1) - doesnt fit at all. same with other places. but they always cover a drum sound like snare for claps and cymbals for finish...

can you do something better than just soft whistle on every clickable object in the end, that is dumb too Changed

pishifat wrote:

00:56:737 (1,2,3,4) - may want to split this into 1212. emphasis on red tick doesnt really make this a group of 4 since white tick is still pretty prominent, and 00:57:182 (1) - isn't more powerful than it Changed
01:01:404 - 02:23:165 - should lower hitsound volume for this section. click things so loud without drums yeah it was pretty loud, changed
01:23:166 (2,3,4,5,6) - 02:46:721 (2,3,4,5,6) - pretty gross to interpret spacing wise. so used to 1/4 sliders followed by 1/4 gaps, and after a huge 1/4 gap between 2 and 3 that's even more expected. moving 345 closer to 2 fixes. 03:59:610 (2,3,4,5) - this one's good This works way better, changed
01:36:277 (2,3) - 02:59:832 (2,3) - can u give this a manual stack like 01:38:721 (1,2,1,3) - or something so it doesn't look like every other 1/4 stack Changed too
01:59:610 (5,1) - tbh seems better to keep the pattern of white tick ncs for this stream spam stuff. spacing is indication enough that blue tick is important This looks cool like this, changed

call me back!! sure