2017-07-10 15:51 Chriz: can you maybe testplay my first 25 seconds and tell me if im on a good way?
2017-07-10 15:53 Deramok: i can try
2017-07-10 15:57 Chriz: O.K.
2017-07-10 15:58 Chriz: http://puu.sh/wGbdc/cf1d65ca4e.osz
2017-07-10 16:02 Deramok: would rethink the spacing on 00:03:170 (2,3,4,1) - 
2017-07-10 16:02 Deramok: maybe add the tripples on things like 00:05:013 (1,2) - sine you're mapping that instrument anyway
2017-07-10 16:03 Chriz: why rethink the spacing?
2017-07-10 16:04 Chriz: every new combo beginning has 2x space ( except for one which fits in patternish tho )
2017-07-10 16:04 Chriz: because its another sound
2017-07-10 16:04 Chriz: and mapping a tripple there would destroy the style of these patterns
2017-07-10 16:04 Deramok: you don't hear it? well from what i hear, it's more like 00:03:002 (1,2) - are a pair, and 3 has a distinct pitch change on it
2017-07-10 16:05 Deramok: same with 00:06:019 (3) - 
2017-07-10 16:05 Chriz: 00:05:851 (2,3) -  would need to map a tripple here
2017-07-10 16:05 Deramok: so i feel it's not quite right. it's something that came to mind while plaiyng already
2017-07-10 16:05 Chriz: 00:07:024 (1,2) - and here
2017-07-10 16:05 Deramok: well i think you can make it work with tripples, as stacks for example
2017-07-10 16:05 Chriz: i didnt hear them while mapping first
2017-07-10 16:05 Chriz: yeah i would only go with stacks
2017-07-10 16:06 Chriz: would make the beginning pattern more appealing aswell
2017-07-10 16:06 Chriz: because atm its 3 patterns copy pasted
2017-07-10 16:06 Deramok: i mean, not having tripples is excusable under terms of lowering density, but it did disrupt me at least and you have longer streams anyway
2017-07-10 16:07 Chriz: 00:06:019 (3) -
2017-07-10 16:07 Chriz: has a pitch aswell
2017-07-10 16:07 Deramok: yes, i linked that as well
2017-07-10 16:07 Deramok: i would split it from 1,2
2017-07-10 16:07 Chriz: oh i thought it was in the tripples argument
2017-07-10 16:07 Chriz: yeah gonna do that
2017-07-10 16:07 Chriz: with a NC aswell
2017-07-10 16:08 Chriz: also
2017-07-10 16:08 Chriz: the triples would actually lower the density of the patterns
2017-07-10 16:08 Chriz: since you can rest for once in these patterns
2017-07-10 16:08 Chriz: so it adds up with the lower density of the intro
2017-07-10 16:09 Deramok: that's not how density works, but yeah, it takes off a toll from the movement intensity
2017-07-10 16:10 Chriz: aim density then
2017-07-10 16:10 Chriz: or movement intensity
2017-07-10 16:11 Deramok: density either describes degree of clutter, amounts of clicks(activity density) or amount of objects (object/rhythm density)
2017-07-10 16:11 Deramok: wouldn't use it for aim related things
2017-07-10 16:11 Deramok: i like your use of sliders on the bass drums in the next part
2017-07-10 16:12 Deramok: but again i'd look into adding some sort of tripple between 00:10:712 (10,1) - 
2017-07-10 16:12 Deramok: since it's just the same instrumend as you're focusing
2017-07-10 16:12 Chriz: yep
2017-07-10 16:12 Chriz: didnt hear that one
2017-07-10 16:12 Chriz: either my ears are deaf
2017-07-10 16:12 Chriz: or im retarded
2017-07-10 16:13 Deramok: 00:11:550 (3,4,5,6,7) - these are miles harder than the previous ones
2017-07-10 16:13 Chriz: since i relistened to the whole part like 10 times
2017-07-10 16:13 Deramok: and they differ largely in movement concept too
2017-07-10 16:13 Deramok: and i don't really see why
2017-07-10 16:13 Chriz: they dont
2017-07-10 16:13 Deramok: movement concept is fine to differ a bit i guess, though it's in the same part
2017-07-10 16:13 Chriz: when you have a louder bass drum
2017-07-10 16:13 Chriz: movement changes
2017-07-10 16:13 Chriz: both times on 5
2017-07-10 16:13 Deramok: louder?
2017-07-10 16:14 Deramok: ah that one
2017-07-10 16:14 Chriz: i kept it in flow
2017-07-10 16:14 Chriz: except on 5 where i break the flow/ pattern
2017-07-10 16:14 Deramok: yeah, well, it doesnt' change for the first two, and you make a neat seperation between the two halfes before and after the transiton now that i think about it
2017-07-10 16:15 Deramok: but the spacing i'll still complain about
2017-07-10 16:15 Chriz: oh i see why
2017-07-10 16:15 Chriz: both 5 have a spacing of 2.8x
2017-07-10 16:15 Deramok: and going by the changes on 5s i'd also move 00:12:555 (7) - to a similar relative position to 5 as 3 is to 1
2017-07-10 16:15 Chriz: while 3 and 7 on the 2nd pattern have 2.8x aswell which is wrong
2017-07-10 16:16 Chriz: yep true
2017-07-10 16:16 Chriz: in the first pattern i didnt change it
2017-07-10 16:16 Chriz: and in the 2nd i did
2017-07-10 16:16 Chriz: because i wanted to have the same sound on the same side of pattern
2017-07-10 16:16 Chriz: i have to decide for one
2017-07-10 16:16 Deramok: nice pattern and spacing change 00:17:918 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - 
2017-07-10 16:17 Chriz: thanks =)
2017-07-10 16:17 Chriz: i first had 2 x 3 triples
2017-07-10 16:17 Chriz: but then i heared its actually a triple sound followed by 4 sounds
2017-07-10 16:18 Deramok: what bothers me about all those 00:17:248 (3) - 
2017-07-10 16:18 Deramok: is that to me the spacing emphasis is reversed
2017-07-10 16:18 Chriz: oh yeah
2017-07-10 16:18 Chriz: fuuuuuuuuck
2017-07-10 16:19 Deramok: also individually 00:17:751 (5) - aside fo the nc, it plays as though it were part of 00:17:918 (1,2,3) - making it play like a set of four
2017-07-10 16:19 Deramok: might want to find a different position that just puts it into another relation with the triangle
2017-07-10 16:20 Deramok: doesn't make it part of it
2017-07-10 16:20 Deramok: like on top of 00:18:756 (3) - 
2017-07-10 16:20 Chriz: oh
2017-07-10 16:21 Chriz: yeah i could make it a part of the square
2017-07-10 16:21 Chriz: to return to it
2017-07-10 16:21 Chriz: to stay in pattern
2017-07-10 16:21 Deramok: 00:24:287 (3) - not sure if this is supported by the song. you can map it by how oyu interpret the composition or to make it simple or leave it out if you also don't hear it. your call
2017-07-10 16:22 Chriz: it is
2017-07-10 16:22 Chriz: theres a beat
2017-07-10 16:22 Deramok: ok then never mind that
2017-07-10 16:22 Chriz: one of these bass sounds
2017-07-10 16:23 Deramok: also on 00:12:052 (5) -  flow wise. with the set change in 00:09:371 (5) - keeps the direction. not sure if you intend to do it differently there or if it's against how you want it
2017-07-10 16:23 Chriz: i can upload the map
2017-07-10 16:23 Chriz: if you wanna have the kudosu
2017-07-10 16:23 Chriz: im gonna do it later anyway
2017-07-10 16:23 Chriz: i didnt mind the direction change
2017-07-10 16:23 Chriz: what i minded was that the pattern turns from clock to anticlock wise rotation and/or vice versa
2017-07-10 16:24 Chriz: its more important and noticable than just a direction change
2017-07-10 16:24 Deramok: it seemed a bit out of place to me, bit surprising and out of nowhere to have it that way around for just that note all of a sudden
2017-07-10 16:24 Deramok: but well, as said, your call

2017-07-24 17:55 Deramok: so, shall i start with what i have to say
2017-07-24 17:56 Chriz: yes
2017-07-24 17:56 Deramok: alright
2017-07-24 17:56 Deramok: 00:01:326 (4) - you might notice how this one is different from the other sliders in sound. so ctrl g on it could get some work on that
2017-07-24 17:57 Deramok: right now it's a bit unified and thus not as interesting to play as it could be
2017-07-24 17:57 Deramok: by which
2017-07-24 17:57 Deramok: there are also other nuances in the song in general
2017-07-24 17:57 Deramok: through that part
2017-07-24 17:57 Deramok: http://puu.sh/wRPDj/16620ff0cf.jpg if you look at this
2017-07-24 17:58 Chriz: 00:01:326 (4) - if i changed the direction of this i had to make it 1/3rd to follow the other sound
2017-07-24 17:58 Deramok: 1/3?
2017-07-24 17:59 Chriz: dont you talk about the difference in sound because of the beginning of the violin?
2017-07-24 18:00 Deramok: the violin is part of it for sure
2017-07-24 18:00 Deramok: but what 1/3
2017-07-24 18:00 Chriz: isnt the violin in that specific beat slower?
2017-07-24 18:01 Chriz: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8672135 like this
2017-07-24 18:01 Deramok: there's still 4 sounds between both white ticks
2017-07-24 18:01 Deramok: so by composition it's still 1/4
2017-07-24 18:02 Deramok: the instrument isn't too accurate in the entire bit in general
2017-07-24 18:02 Chriz: yeah
2017-07-24 18:03 Chriz: thats why i kept it in 1/4th in the beginning
2017-07-24 18:03 Chriz: to just follow the syntheciser sounhd
2017-07-24 18:03 Deramok: which is fine
2017-07-24 18:03 Deramok: i still don't know what you're getting at though
2017-07-24 18:04 Chriz: wait
2017-07-24 18:04 Chriz: even if i follow the syntheciser all of them appear to be 173rd
2017-07-24 18:04 Chriz: 1/3rd slider
2017-07-24 18:05 Chriz: but yeah, i should give 4 NC and a different position
2017-07-24 18:05 Deramok: i don't follow
2017-07-24 18:05 Deramok: i don't get any 1/3 in there
2017-07-24 18:05 Deramok: nor do i get any synth
2017-07-24 18:07 Chriz: well lets just talk about what you suggested
2017-07-24 18:07 Chriz: should i ctrl g 1 and 2 aswell? since theyre a different sound compared to 4
2017-07-24 18:09 Deramok: if i get it correctly those would do well with a change too yeah
2017-07-24 18:09 Deramok: but as said i'd make something different entirely anyway
2017-07-24 18:09 Chriz: but thats not in my intention ;p
2017-07-24 18:09 Chriz: what would you do?
2017-07-24 18:09 Chriz: what you screenshotted?
2017-07-24 18:09 Deramok: yeah
2017-07-24 18:10 Deramok: anyway. i'll leave it to you to lament on it. wanna move on
2017-07-24 18:10 Chriz: sure
2017-07-24 18:11 Deramok: 00:03:002 (1,2,1,2) - i'd do something to make those different from each other rather than a reiteration. the first two cover the same sound while the latter two have decreasing pitch
2017-07-24 18:11 Deramok: but about the section in general
2017-07-24 18:11 Deramok: i feel things are a bit incoherent. mainly do wo how often and when the direction changes occur
2017-07-24 18:12 Deramok: like musically 00:03:672 (1) - this pattern still belongs to the same part as the previous pattern
2017-07-24 18:12 Deramok: same here 00:05:013 (1) - 
2017-07-24 18:13 Deramok: so it would make sense to connect them via a momentum that is kept going
2017-07-24 18:13 Chriz: whenever a change in the music is happening, NC
2017-07-24 18:13 Chriz: but for climaxing and declining sounds
2017-07-24 18:14 Chriz: 00:03:002 (1,2) - highers up
2017-07-24 18:14 Deramok: i get that much
2017-07-24 18:14 Chriz: 00:03:337 (1,2) -  lowers
2017-07-24 18:14 Deramok: but the sound patterns come in sets
2017-07-24 18:14 Deramok: and those aren't coherent
2017-07-24 18:14 Chriz: 00:03:672 (1) - is higher than 00:03:505 (2) - but lowers in 00:03:672 (1,2,3,4) -
2017-07-24 18:14 Deramok: it's a matter of locality
2017-07-24 18:15 Chriz: why locality?
2017-07-24 18:15 Deramok: if you look at it locally, indicidually, things work. but if you zoom out and look at the structure of the section, things fall out of place
2017-07-24 18:15 Deramok: they don't connect
2017-07-24 18:15 Deramok: not always anyway
2017-07-24 18:16 Chriz: i dont understand
2017-07-24 18:16 Chriz: like how the patterns connect to each other?
2017-07-24 18:17 Deramok: you hear how every down beat in this particular part has the same sound on it? it sort of mark the beginning of a new section, this is where you can make a seperation
2017-07-24 18:17 Deramok: it reiterates musical structures
2017-07-24 18:17 Deramok: so what's within it can profit if you connect them, make them play as a piece
2017-07-24 18:17 Chriz: hm
2017-07-24 18:18 Deramok: often the easiest way to do that is to keep momentum
2017-07-24 18:18 Chriz: i dont understand :V
2017-07-24 18:18 Deramok: one way of doing that is to keep the same directions
2017-07-24 18:18 Chriz: i tried to keep momentum with specific angles used
2017-07-24 18:18 Chriz: well to be honest i think i didnt watch the direction in that part
2017-07-24 18:18 Deramok: well in some places it works, wherever you loop back to the same direction
2017-07-24 18:18 Chriz: as a controversial to the rest
2017-07-24 18:19 Chriz: where i basically care too much about it zz
2017-07-24 18:19 Chriz: xylophon vs violin
2017-07-24 18:21 Deramok: ah, i don't know how else to explain it
2017-07-24 18:21 Deramok: if you ask for a general word you'd get structure thrown at you
2017-07-24 18:21 Chriz: german me
2017-07-24 18:22 Deramok: that wouldn't help me
2017-07-24 18:23 Chriz: i dont understand how the aim in between patterns should/should not change
2017-07-24 18:23 Chriz: and on which occasions it works and when not
2017-07-24 18:24 Deramok: alright, i'll try with examples
2017-07-24 18:24 Deramok: 00:05:684 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4) - this is one meassure with a coherent sequence of instrumental notes
2017-07-24 18:25 Deramok: your pattern makes it seem like there is a change of sequence on green one because you change directions
2017-07-24 18:25 Deramok: in a sharp way
2017-07-24 18:26 Deramok: 00:06:857 (4,1) - here a new sequence starts and you start a change, this works
2017-07-24 18:27 Chriz: in the first one
2017-07-24 18:27 Deramok: although i'd execute the following notes a tad differently too
2017-07-24 18:27 Deramok: but that's a detail
2017-07-24 18:27 Chriz: do you mean from 1 to 2 or from 5 to 1?
2017-07-24 18:28 Deramok: 00:06:186 (2,1) - 
2017-07-24 18:28 Deramok: that one is the problem
2017-07-24 18:28 Chriz: oh
2017-07-24 18:28 Deramok: or well, includint the following 2
2017-07-24 18:28 Chriz: because no sharp angle?
2017-07-24 18:28 Deramok: because of the broken momentum
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: was für broken momentum
2017-07-24 18:29 Deramok: angular momentum at that, not velocity
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: yes youre right
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: when i asked because no sharp angle
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: say yes
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: :3
2017-07-24 18:29 Deramok: but that's not really it
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: all NC's have a directions change aswell
2017-07-24 18:29 Chriz: like
2017-07-24 18:30 Deramok: so i can't say yes
2017-07-24 18:30 Chriz: 00:05:348 (4,5) - here i move bottom left
2017-07-24 18:30 Chriz: 00:05:516 (5,1) - i switch to bottom right
2017-07-24 18:30 Chriz: 00:06:019 (1,2,1) - here its almost a line
2017-07-24 18:30 Deramok: not all btw
2017-07-24 18:30 Chriz: going top left
2017-07-24 18:30 Deramok: but even if most do
2017-07-24 18:30 Deramok: that doesn't mean that couldn't be a flawed concept to begin with
2017-07-24 18:31 Chriz: well even if
2017-07-24 18:31 Chriz: there are still flaws in execution
2017-07-24 18:31 Deramok: well, did my point get across?
2017-07-24 18:31 Chriz: i dont see exactly where this concept is flawed tho
2017-07-24 18:32 Chriz: except for the 2 direction mistakes
2017-07-24 18:32 Chriz: which are execution tho
2017-07-24 18:32 Chriz: i applied NC's and higher DS to all stronger sounds
2017-07-24 18:32 Chriz: or to the outstanding sounds
2017-07-24 18:33 Deramok: you said the direction changes are part of the nc concept. and they break angular momentum where it might be better not to at times
2017-07-24 18:33 Deramok: so unless they are all executional errors, it's the concept that's flawed
2017-07-24 18:33 Chriz: where shouldnt it be?
2017-07-24 18:33 Chriz: 00:06:186 (2,1) - yeah here
2017-07-24 18:33 Deramok: i just presented you an example, didn't i
2017-07-24 18:33 Chriz: but its a mistake
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: its not the concept that flaws in this
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: its the execution
2017-07-24 18:34 Deramok: here then 00:03:002 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - 
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: i could change this by rotating 00:05:684 (1,2,3,1,2) - by 60°
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: yeah
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: those 2
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: are the mistakes
2017-07-24 18:34 Chriz: the rest is fine
2017-07-24 18:35 Deramok: and there , with the folowing notes you keep it where it should be broken 00:06:857 (4,1,2,3) - 
2017-07-24 18:35 Chriz: or?:(
2017-07-24 18:35 Deramok: so unless all of those are just mistakes, it's the concept
2017-07-24 18:35 Deramok: i don't know which it is
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: 00:03:672 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - this pattern is the same
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: 00:06:354 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - as this
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: with a different approach on the triangle
2017-07-24 18:36 Deramok: they aren't
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: oh
2017-07-24 18:36 Deramok: one is a loop that reiterates the momentum
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: i think i know what you mean
2017-07-24 18:36 Deramok: the other breaks it
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: 00:07:024 (1,2) -
2017-07-24 18:36 Chriz: this ?
2017-07-24 18:37 Deramok: the break in the second one is on 00:07:527 (1) - 
2017-07-24 18:37 Deramok: instead
2017-07-24 18:37 Deramok: 1 and 2 on their own are fine, but if you add 3, not so much anymore
2017-07-24 18:37 Chriz: hä
2017-07-24 18:37 Chriz: 00:07:024 (1,2,3) -
2017-07-24 18:37 Deramok: now you can look at it as a zig-zag sort of thing if you really want to though
2017-07-24 18:38 Chriz: 00:04:343 (1,2,3) -
2017-07-24 18:38 Deramok: in which case it's borderline
2017-07-24 18:38 Deramok: but not fitting with the other bit
2017-07-24 18:38 Chriz: i dont understand
2017-07-24 18:38 Deramok: what about it
2017-07-24 18:38 Chriz: why its not wrong on 1,2 but on the next one
2017-07-24 18:39 Chriz: what looks for me wrong is that 00:06:857 (4,1,2) - 1 to 2 has its angle wrong compared to 4 to 1
2017-07-24 18:39 Deramok: because if you put 3 on the other side of the axis built by one and two
2017-07-24 18:39 Deramok: you notice how the direction becomes different from the previous pattern
2017-07-24 18:39 Deramok: but as it is, it maintains it
2017-07-24 18:39 Deramok: or reiterates it
2017-07-24 18:39 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 18:40 Chriz: you look at direction changes in these
2017-07-24 18:40 Chriz: swap 2 and 3?
2017-07-24 18:40 Chriz: and readjust 1?
2017-07-24 18:41 Deramok: depending on which 1 you mean that can work
2017-07-24 18:41 Deramok: 00:07:946 (4) - this one is still overmapped btw
2017-07-24 18:41 Chriz: 00:07:527 (1) - this one
2017-07-24 18:42 Deramok: can be made working
2017-07-24 18:42 Deramok: there are various options, chose what suits you best
2017-07-24 18:42 Chriz: yeah
2017-07-24 18:42 Chriz: gonna switch 2 and 3
2017-07-24 18:42 Chriz: so i can adjust 1
2017-07-24 18:42 Deramok: anyway, i take it we finally got the issue at hand cleared up
2017-07-24 18:42 Chriz: and make the triple going towards the quint
2017-07-24 18:42 Chriz: yes
2017-07-24 18:43 Deramok: good
2017-07-24 18:43 Chriz: 2 things to change
2017-07-24 18:43 Chriz: well 3, but 2 are solved with 1 change
2017-07-24 18:43 Deramok: 00:13:477 (2) - i think you can see what's not good with this one
2017-07-24 18:44 Deramok: and it represents how in several places things aren't really in line
2017-07-24 18:44 Deramok: like this too 00:24:119 (1,2,3,4,5) - or 00:07:695 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - 
2017-07-24 18:44 Deramok: just curves that should be cleaned out
2017-07-24 18:44 Chriz: i used
2017-07-24 18:44 Chriz: slider to stream
2017-07-24 18:44 Chriz: and didnt arrange anything by hand
2017-07-24 18:44 Chriz: on every of these streams
2017-07-24 18:44 Chriz: the same slider
2017-07-24 18:45 Chriz: 01:06:689 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - same here
2017-07-24 18:45 Deramok: don't use that tool on high cs
2017-07-24 18:45 Deramok: it rounds too much
2017-07-24 18:45 Chriz: well i didnt know
2017-07-24 18:45 Deramok: now you do
2017-07-24 18:45 Chriz: same goes for rotating stuff
2017-07-24 18:45 Chriz: ive noticed that atleast
2017-07-24 18:45 Chriz: and fixed some stuff already while mapping
2017-07-24 18:46 Deramok: i mean it happens on low cs too ofc but as you know it's just so much more apparent
2017-07-24 18:46 Chriz: yeah
2017-07-24 18:46 Chriz: i know that
2017-07-24 18:46 Chriz: gonna look over it
2017-07-24 18:46 Chriz: the whole map
2017-07-24 18:46 Chriz: 00:13:058 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this DS is wrong aswell
2017-07-24 18:47 Chriz: DS on 2nd part should be 2x of the first 4 notes
2017-07-24 18:48 Deramok: 00:17:918 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - depending on how you want to handle it, this might need a rearrangement of order within the same shape. depending on whether you're fine with how the first note is emphasised spacing wise. mentioning it because you generally keep it straight with these things in the map
2017-07-24 18:49 Deramok: with straight i mean without explosive contrast for starts
2017-07-24 18:50 Chriz: i dont really wanna emphasize the first note with DS
2017-07-24 18:50 Chriz: because the difficulty of the map shouldnt be too harsh for a cs7, it should play intuitive
2017-07-24 18:50 Chriz: and without stressing too much about one part
2017-07-24 18:50 Chriz: i think its emphasized enough with the pattern being there
2017-07-24 18:50 Deramok: that's the thing, such starts are generally not the most intuitive.
2017-07-24 18:50 Deramok: but i overheard something anyway
2017-07-24 18:51 Deramok: the first note isn't actually that strong
2017-07-24 18:51 Deramok: so it's intuitively fine to have it at a lower spacing anyway
2017-07-24 18:51 Chriz: why not? the bassline keeps repeating
2017-07-24 18:51 Deramok: i'm referring to what makes up the patter, which steals the focus of the bassline
2017-07-24 18:52 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 18:52 Chriz: the DS differences?
2017-07-24 18:52 Deramok: yeah, but it's fine
2017-07-24 18:52 Chriz: because?
2017-07-24 18:52 Chriz: the 2nd one is a square?
2017-07-24 18:53 Deramok: not sure if we're on the same page here
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: what are you saying now?
2017-07-24 18:54 Deramok: i'm just talking about how 00:17:750 (5,1,2) - plays out
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: that the pattern is ok?
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: or not?
2017-07-24 18:54 Deramok: it's ok
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: 00:28:477 (5,1) - how does this play out?
2017-07-24 18:54 Chriz: the same?
2017-07-24 18:54 Deramok: yes, it works the same way
2017-07-24 18:55 Chriz: i had it first in the different direction
2017-07-24 18:55 Chriz: but i didnt like it since it felt too forced to me
2017-07-24 18:55 Chriz: with the direction change
2017-07-24 18:56 Deramok: here i'm not sure, what do you give priority to, the violin or the other heavy orchestrals?
2017-07-24 18:56 Deramok: 00:26:466 (1,1,1) - 
2017-07-24 18:57 Chriz: does this occur for you on every pattern?
2017-07-24 18:57 Chriz: of these?
2017-07-24 18:57 Chriz: 00:31:829 (1,1,1) -  here aswell?
2017-07-24 18:57 Chriz: and so on.,
2017-07-24 18:57 Deramok: no occurence yet, but yes, i mean all of them in this chorus
2017-07-24 18:57 Deramok: or kiai rather
2017-07-24 18:57 Chriz: in movement and sliderbody i give priority to the violin
2017-07-24 18:58 Chriz: while the NC and the DS prioritize the orchestra
2017-07-24 18:58 Chriz: or rather the bass
2017-07-24 18:58 Deramok: in that case
2017-07-24 18:58 Deramok: things like these belong ot the same compound 00:31:326 (7,8) - 
2017-07-24 18:59 Deramok: so a long slider on those already would make it clear you're following the violin indeed. like this it's offthrowing since you basically start in the middle of it
2017-07-24 18:59 Chriz: i tried that before
2017-07-24 18:59 Chriz: but it didnt fit
2017-07-24 19:00 Deramok: i'd see that differently
2017-07-24 19:00 Chriz: it made the orchestra less impactful with how the sound of the violin occurs
2017-07-24 19:00 Chriz: i would need to make a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong slider
2017-07-24 19:00 Deramok: less? since those really go along it would be profitable even
2017-07-24 19:00 Chriz: which i really didnt like
2017-07-24 19:01 Chriz: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8672564 such a looooooooooooong slider
2017-07-24 19:01 Deramok: all it does is skipping the regular bass snar rhythm
2017-07-24 19:01 Deramok: to me a long slider is just right there. why is it necessary to keep it short you think?
2017-07-24 19:02 Chriz: it just feels that it kills a lot of momentum of the whole part
2017-07-24 19:02 Chriz: or rather the whole map
2017-07-24 19:02 Chriz: i wanted to give the violin/orchestra part a strong introduction every time
2017-07-24 19:02 Deramok: imo it helps building it
2017-07-24 19:02 Chriz: and with a looooooooooooong slider that would have killed that feeling
2017-07-24 19:02 Chriz: i really dont think so
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: i have tried it
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: and i wasnt able to make it work
2017-07-24 19:03 Deramok: well, lets move on then, opinions can stay opinions
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: oh
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: i have a question
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: 00:08:365 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) -
2017-07-24 19:03 Deramok: this one isn't on a violin btw so just a note or two could be better for the concept
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: this part
2017-07-24 19:03 Deramok: 00:37:527 (1) - 
2017-07-24 19:03 Chriz: you havent notice this
2017-07-24 19:04 Chriz: there i went for the orchestra again as a beginning
2017-07-24 19:04 Chriz: as i said in this part
2017-07-24 19:04 Chriz: that the violin isnt part i know
2017-07-24 19:04 Chriz: 00:39:874 (1,1) - same for here
2017-07-24 19:04 Deramok: yeah is see what you went for
2017-07-24 19:04 Deramok: it just contradicts what you said you'd be doing
2017-07-24 19:04 Deramok: which is prioritizing violin
2017-07-24 19:05 Chriz: in sliderbody and movement
2017-07-24 19:05 Chriz: NC is orchestra
2017-07-24 19:05 Chriz: loud orchestra = NC = new object
2017-07-24 19:05 Chriz: since violin = slider
2017-07-24 19:05 Chriz: NC = new slider
2017-07-24 19:06 Chriz: i didnt change direction for those 2 specifically
2017-07-24 19:06 Deramok: but there is no violin start, so a slider is off
2017-07-24 19:06 Deramok: object yes, slider, eh
2017-07-24 19:06 Chriz: ><
2017-07-24 19:06 Chriz: i could have made that a long slider again
2017-07-24 19:06 Chriz: repeat didnt work because of its length
2017-07-24 19:06 Deramok: no that would have skipped the orchestra
2017-07-24 19:07 Chriz: and a circle would have destroyed the movement
2017-07-24 19:07 Chriz: because slider have ongoing movement
2017-07-24 19:07 Chriz: and with the ongoing sound i chose a slider therefore
2017-07-24 19:07 Deramok: it would have differentiated the movement from moments that are supported by the violin
2017-07-24 19:07 Deramok: don't know if i'd say destryed
2017-07-24 19:08 Deramok: anyway, i want to leave that up to you
2017-07-24 19:08 Chriz: ok
2017-07-24 19:08 Chriz: well
2017-07-24 19:08 Chriz: if anyone else complains about that
2017-07-24 19:08 Chriz: ill change
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: for now i keep it
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: i have a question
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: 00:08:365 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) -
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: is this falling out of picture?
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: on the map?
2017-07-24 19:09 Deramok: how can it if it introduces something new
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: since 1, 3 and 5, 7 work with overlaps
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: and nothing else on the map does
2017-07-24 19:09 Chriz: the 2nd pattern in the same style/sounds doesnt either
2017-07-24 19:10 Deramok: ah that you mean
2017-07-24 19:10 Deramok: didn't pay attention to that i have to admit
2017-07-24 19:10 Chriz: yeah, someone noticed it
2017-07-24 19:10 Chriz: when i asked him to testplay
2017-07-24 19:10 Chriz: because he misread it
2017-07-24 19:10 Deramok: buti can see it being an issue. something that mods would point out
2017-07-24 19:10 Chriz: yeah gotta change it then
2017-07-24 19:10 Chriz: well, go on =)
2017-07-24 19:10 Deramok: sad, i liked those patterns
2017-07-24 19:11 Deramok: 00:52:611 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - might wanna change spacings to be more according to pitches rather than just splitting it into two half according to ?.
2017-07-24 19:12 Deramok: i get why it's split though, don't get me wrong, that much is fine
2017-07-24 19:12 Deramok: it's just the spacing choice i find questionable
2017-07-24 19:12 Chriz: well, as before, i didnt want to make the map overly hard
2017-07-24 19:12 Chriz: hm
2017-07-24 19:12 Chriz: in what kind?
2017-07-24 19:12 Deramok: pitches
2017-07-24 19:13 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 19:13 Deramok: 00:52:946 (1,2,3) - are higher than 00:52:611 (1,2,3) - and 00:53:281 (1,2,3) - fall back to emphasise the increase on the last ones
2017-07-24 19:13 Chriz: yeah i know
2017-07-24 19:13 Deramok: good
2017-07-24 19:13 Chriz: xD
2017-07-24 19:14 Chriz: i didnt want to make it too hard
2017-07-24 19:14 Chriz: thats why its no split
2017-07-24 19:14 Chriz: or no more splits
2017-07-24 19:14 Chriz: i wanted to stay in style with the 1/4th streams aswell
2017-07-24 19:14 Deramok: not wanting to make it too hard.. more intricate doesn't mean too hard
2017-07-24 19:14 Chriz: well
2017-07-24 19:15 Chriz: the map is a basic map afterall :(
2017-07-24 19:15 Chriz: i want to keep things simplistic
2017-07-24 19:15 Chriz: ( for now )
2017-07-24 19:15 Deramok: even if it's basic, that stream just defies everything i know about emphasis
2017-07-24 19:16 Chriz: well
2017-07-24 19:16 Chriz: i could go for
2017-07-24 19:16 Chriz: movement changes
2017-07-24 19:16 Deramok: especially the third one is the issue here btw
2017-07-24 19:16 Deramok: 00:53:281 (1,2,3) - 
2017-07-24 19:16 Chriz: on every NC
2017-07-24 19:16 Deramok: you can do simplifications
2017-07-24 19:16 Deramok: but increasing the spacing on a decrease like this is just counterintuitive
2017-07-24 19:16 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 19:16 Deramok: keeping it the same is fine
2017-07-24 19:17 Deramok: increasing, not so much
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: well that was to not break my pattern
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: on the 1/4th slider
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: but i see
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: thats its exactly the opposite to the 1/4th sstreams**
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: in style
2017-07-24 19:17 Chriz: like how it emphasizes the music
2017-07-24 19:18 Deramok: 00:55:963 (4,5) - 
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: 5 isn't any faster than the other sliders
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: there is just a 1/8 between four and five
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: (which doesn't need to be mapped)
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: also i'd split 4 into two sliders for the click
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: noise
2017-07-24 19:19 Deramok: thingy
2017-07-24 19:20 Chriz: i hear 6 sounds
2017-07-24 19:20 Deramok: including the sounds before the white tick yes. but after it it's quite clearly 1/4 to me
2017-07-24 19:21 Chriz: ah ja
2017-07-24 19:21 Chriz: changed
2017-07-24 19:22 Deramok: 00:58:645 (5) - i'd make this a 2/3 slider because you don't really use that.. table shoving noise in any consistent fashion anyway and even just skipped it before 2
2017-07-24 19:23 Deramok: and that noise is all there is in the middle of 5, otherwise it's a nice uniqueness of the rhythm
2017-07-24 19:23 Deramok: except if you want to count a ghost note viable
2017-07-24 19:23 Deramok: actually 4 does that too
2017-07-24 19:24 Deramok: that other noise is on the red ticks in those sliders anyway too
2017-07-24 19:24 Chriz: just noticed it aswell
2017-07-24 19:25 Deramok: so http://puu.sh/wRVcf/f807f5b507.jpg is probably what i'd do
2017-07-24 19:27 Chriz: hm
2017-07-24 19:27 Chriz: i ignored the ghost noice
2017-07-24 19:27 Chriz: noise*
2017-07-24 19:27 Deramok: ghost noise?
2017-07-24 19:28 Deramok: if i say ghost note i mean the moment when an instrument is muted, which is sometimes interpreted and mapped as a note
2017-07-24 19:28 Chriz: that whhoosh
2017-07-24 19:28 Chriz: yeah i wanted to do that
2017-07-24 19:28 Deramok: ah the table shoving noise
2017-07-24 19:28 Chriz: yeah
2017-07-24 19:28 Chriz: exactly
2017-07-24 19:29 Deramok: here i'm jsut sad the poor accordeon didn't get any attention in the part 01:05:348 (1,2,3) - 
2017-07-24 19:29 Deramok: not wrong though
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: true
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: 01:03:337 (4) -
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: here?
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: accordeon aswell
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: your suggestion will be mapped
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: here i wouldnt do it
2017-07-24 19:30 Chriz: because its simplified
2017-07-24 19:31 Chriz: but in the part before i mapped the accordeon
2017-07-24 19:31 Chriz: so i should do it normally?
2017-07-24 19:31 Deramok: yeah it's iffy. some would probably accept it, some would complain
2017-07-24 19:32 Deramok: there's also the option on shifting the focus of the simplification
2017-07-24 19:32 Deramok: for example 01:01:326 (13,1) - could make 13 a repeat. what it does is not having a bass on the slider end while the second of the pair is on a circle with 1. additionally it happens to go along with the accordeon
2017-07-24 19:32 Chriz: 13?
2017-07-24 19:32 Chriz: i have 11 there
2017-07-24 19:32 Deramok: which also leaves you more freedom to focus on the accordeon and simplify that instead of having all bass clickable
2017-07-24 19:32 Deramok: uh, possible
2017-07-24 19:32 Deramok: no idea
2017-07-24 19:33 Deramok: yeah, 11
2017-07-24 19:33 Chriz: i think i wont do it
2017-07-24 19:34 Deramok: alright
2017-07-24 19:34 Chriz: ah another question
2017-07-24 19:34 Chriz: 00:52:611 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - is this
2017-07-24 19:34 Chriz: when now not changed ( and despite being wrong ) misreadable ?
2017-07-24 19:34 Chriz: like for a 1/4th
2017-07-24 19:35 Deramok: it is, i mistook it in the first play i remember
2017-07-24 19:35 Deramok: but personally i wouldn't worry about that too much
2017-07-24 19:35 Chriz: smc said the same
2017-07-24 19:35 Chriz: i denied :V
2017-07-24 19:36 Deramok: yeah, the whole readability complaint has come too far nowadays i feel
2017-07-24 19:36 Deramok: by which this map wants to be simple as you say, so maybe it's worth concidering anyway
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: itll be changed because of its mistakes
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: but i think
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: the style it now has
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: with the direction changes more often
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: it shouldnt be misread for a 1/4th
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: like
2017-07-24 19:37 Deramok: if you seperate sets of 3 that will be solved anyway yeah
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: if i wanna keep it simple, what else shall i map?
2017-07-24 19:37 Chriz: reverse slider? a stacked stream?
2017-07-24 19:38 Chriz: like it looses too much emphasys
2017-07-24 19:38 Chriz: thats why i think its ok
2017-07-24 19:38 Deramok: condensation can be a means
2017-07-24 19:38 Chriz: how readable it is
2017-07-24 19:39 Chriz: well
2017-07-24 19:39 Chriz: go on :^)
2017-07-24 19:39 Chriz: brb getting water
2017-07-24 19:40 Deramok: 01:07:360 (1) - this plays pretty much like the verses for the most part, just with a bit of an increased spacing.. which i don't find very compelling as it could be following the violin that is quite present in it more like in the latter part of it
2017-07-24 19:44 Chriz: 01:16:410 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - there!
2017-07-24 19:45 Deramok: yes, do it like that
2017-07-24 19:45 Chriz: i just mapped the bassline when the violin wasnt present enough for me
2017-07-24 19:45 Chriz: also, i have to remove some NCs there
2017-07-24 19:46 Deramok: how is it not present enough in 01:08:365 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - 
2017-07-24 19:46 Chriz: as before
2017-07-24 19:46 Chriz: it would result in loooooooooooooooooooooong slider
2017-07-24 19:46 Chriz: mostly
2017-07-24 19:47 Deramok: 01:13:728 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - the above and this are of equal importance as the two you actually did map to me
2017-07-24 19:47 Deramok: well you can cut sliders
2017-07-24 19:48 Chriz: theyre not as loud
2017-07-24 19:49 Deramok: they're loud enough to be present and the foreground melody
2017-07-24 19:49 Deramok: if you want to differentiate between volumes you can still use sv
2017-07-24 19:50 Deramok: like the changes i'd suggest if you don't want longer sliders aren't too big, but imo they make a big difference
2017-07-24 19:50 Chriz: i didnt want to use SV differently than i already did on this map
2017-07-24 19:51 Deramok: yes, you simplify in that manner, which is why it would be fine to just have them the same speed
2017-07-24 19:51 Deramok: even though their volume might be slightly different
2017-07-24 19:51 Deramok: just saying that the slightly lower volume doesn't make them any less of a foreground instrument
2017-07-24 19:51 Deramok: doesn't take away from their presence
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: i understand your point
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: but again
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: i wouldnt know how to map it
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: that its fun
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: and challenging
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: and not boring
2017-07-24 19:52 Deramok: if you prioritise the violin over the orchestra, but still want that on objects in order to cut the sliders, this is an option http://puu.sh/wRWlg/1ea14ca4fc.jpg
2017-07-24 19:52 Chriz: thought about that aswell
2017-07-24 19:53 Chriz: but with your pattern you would destroy the continiously
2017-07-24 19:53 Chriz: since you use slider on bass
2017-07-24 19:54 Deramok: like what you're doing now is straight up ignoring the most important instrument in the section. there is no emphasis on it. if you want something that isn't boring, it's not the right way to do it
2017-07-24 19:54 Chriz: instead of circles
2017-07-24 19:54 Chriz: i tried 1/4th with circles it didnt sound good
2017-07-24 19:54 Deramok: well why would you do 1/4 with circles
2017-07-24 19:55 Chriz: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8672938 i meant this
2017-07-24 19:55 Deramok: and the part is the climax, it has a different focus, it is fine to break off of the focus that many other parts of the map have with the bassline
2017-07-24 19:55 Chriz: the full beat being a circle to not break my initial pattern
2017-07-24 19:55 Chriz: but i dont like that idea
2017-07-24 19:55 Chriz: to break my map that specific part
2017-07-24 19:56 Chriz: in my opinion its plain wrong to break a part that is continous in the map
2017-07-24 19:56 Deramok: but you don't mind this? 01:16:745 (1) - 
2017-07-24 19:56 Chriz: the forground or the emphasis has to add up to the normal concept
2017-07-24 19:56 Chriz: hm
2017-07-24 19:56 Chriz: true
2017-07-24 19:57 Chriz: gonna change that
2017-07-24 19:59 Deramok: and well, it's not like you really break anything. it's merely a shift of focus, a different part of the song getting a different focus. a simple concept of variety. it's possible to work without ever shifting the focus, but that usually makes up uninteresting maps, which don't express the unique parts of the song properly. especially if the initial focus is something as basic as a bass-snare rhythm
2017-07-24 19:59 Deramok: guess why all dnb is the same
2017-07-24 20:00 Chriz: even if
2017-07-24 20:00 Deramok: saying it's plain wrong to do any of that sounds simply narrowminded to me
2017-07-24 20:00 Chriz: it doesnt sound good
2017-07-24 20:01 Deramok: alright
2017-07-24 20:01 Chriz: when i changed the pattern
2017-07-24 20:01 Chriz: of course the foreground sounds change
2017-07-24 20:01 Deramok: that's more of an acceptable thing
2017-07-24 20:01 Chriz: but the base stays the same
2017-07-24 20:01 Chriz: and a map should emphasize that aswell
2017-07-24 20:01 Chriz: except a foreground sound changes the basic aswell
2017-07-24 20:02 Chriz: then its allowed to break the basics of your map aswell
2017-07-24 20:02 Chriz: which it does not
2017-07-24 20:02 Chriz: it fills in with the basic in the background
2017-07-24 20:02 Deramok: sometimes, especially if you map more complicated songs, you'll see that it's not a good idea to stick to theose basic things all the time
2017-07-24 20:03 Deramok: there will simply be too much to keep track of. things start becoming a mush
2017-07-24 20:03 Deramok: or end up with a boring focus
2017-07-24 20:03 Deramok: it's not too bad on this one
2017-07-24 20:03 Chriz: i never said to keep up with everything
2017-07-24 20:03 Chriz: i want to make a concept
2017-07-24 20:03 Chriz: which goes through the whole map ( if the map supports it )
2017-07-24 20:03 Chriz: i broke it on the slow part e.g.
2017-07-24 20:04 Chriz: because no bass line
2017-07-24 20:04 Deramok: yes, you didn't. but you said to keep things you've established at all cost pretty much
2017-07-24 20:04 Deramok: which turns out in the last line of what i said
2017-07-24 20:04 Chriz: of course it might end up boring, but for me, the trick to make a fun map is to get both things together
2017-07-24 20:04 Chriz: which im not capable of doing yet
2017-07-24 20:05 Chriz: its not about forcing the bass line under all costs
2017-07-24 20:05 Deramok: i can tell you this much, you don't need to keep everything exactly the same to keep if emphasised the same way
2017-07-24 20:05 Deramok: i think i talked about this before
2017-07-24 20:05 Chriz: but simply that i knew how to map both alone, but since i didnt want to break the continously of the map i went with the bassline
2017-07-24 20:06 Deramok: or in a similar way
2017-07-24 20:06 Deramok: heck even a completely different way can work as long as it brings worth the main features
2017-07-24 20:06 Deramok: anyway
2017-07-24 20:06 Chriz: i wouldnt really agree with this feature
2017-07-24 20:06 Deramok: let's be done with this. doesn't seem like either side is about to budge
2017-07-24 20:07 Chriz: or with that argument
2017-07-24 20:07 Deramok: and i don't feel like looking up examples or reformulating things
2017-07-24 20:07 Chriz: yeah probably
2017-07-24 20:07 Chriz: dances!
2017-07-24 20:07 Chriz: are my examples!
2017-07-24 20:07 Chriz: classical dances! :(
2017-07-24 20:08 Chriz: well
2017-07-24 20:08 Chriz: something else
2017-07-24 20:08 Chriz: how is the part after the kiai?
2017-07-24 20:08 Deramok: 01:26:131 (1) - 
2017-07-24 20:08 Chriz: as in the beginning
2017-07-24 20:08 Chriz: gonna change the movement of the slider facing downwards
2017-07-24 20:09 Deramok: i'm not on about the slider even
2017-07-24 20:09 Chriz: but?
2017-07-24 20:09 Deramok: it's about how 1 looks to be the same as the rest of the pattern
2017-07-24 20:09 Deramok: while only 01:26:299 (2,3,4) - are on the violin
2017-07-24 20:09 Chriz: oh yeah
2017-07-24 20:09 Chriz: ive noticed that
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: so i made it a ghost note
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: on every occasion i did that
2017-07-24 20:10 Deramok: what
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: 01:28:812 (1,2,3,4) - here aswell
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: 01:31:494 (1,2,3,4) - here aswell
2017-07-24 20:10 Deramok: you can't make something a ghost note
2017-07-24 20:10 Deramok: a ghost note is given by the song
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: werent you refering to that term?
2017-07-24 20:10 Deramok: it's a musical concept, not a mapping one
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: beforehand
2017-07-24 20:10 Chriz: ?
2017-07-24 20:11 Deramok: one is plainly on a cymbal that is seperate from the violin
2017-07-24 20:11 Deramok: nothing to do with ghost notes
2017-07-24 20:11 Deramok: actually that term is used completely wrong from my part i remember.. 
2017-07-24 20:12 Deramok: but what i was referring to is when an instrument is muted abruptly
2017-07-24 20:12 Chriz: ah ok
2017-07-24 20:12 Chriz: ok
2017-07-24 20:12 Deramok: a ghost note is actually for example on a string instrument if the strings are held down so they won't swing and then you use them as a sort of percussion, without much of a pitch or anything
2017-07-24 20:13 Deramok: a explanation just to redeem myself
2017-07-24 20:13 Deramok: something completely unrelated
2017-07-24 20:13 Deramok: but yeah, you get what i meant with it
2017-07-24 20:13 Chriz: yes
2017-07-24 20:14 Chriz: i deleted the 1
2017-07-24 20:14 Deramok: uh, alright, i guess that works too..
2017-07-24 20:14 Chriz: go update and take a look
2017-07-24 20:15 Deramok: i would have just put it elsewhere or made a repeat out of 3 probably
2017-07-24 20:15 Deramok: but i suppose if you want to skip the cymbal crash and the accordeon that works too
2017-07-24 20:16 Deramok: 01:26:801 (1) - not sure if you noticed, these are 3/4
2017-07-24 20:16 Deramok: on the violin
2017-07-24 20:16 Deramok: or did you also just want to keep it on the downbeat there
2017-07-24 20:16 Chriz: ah ok
2017-07-24 20:16 Chriz: no
2017-07-24 20:16 Chriz: i wanted to follow the violin
2017-07-24 20:17 Chriz: as i did with the xylophon in the intro
2017-07-24 20:18 Chriz: but i think i make it a 3/4th slider with a circle
2017-07-24 20:18 Chriz: and add the cymbal crashes aswell
2017-07-24 20:19 Deramok: 01:29:483 (1) - directions. on the other two of it's kind you reiterated it, which goes along with the rest of the part better as well
2017-07-24 20:19 Deramok: might want to do the same here
2017-07-24 20:19 Chriz: ahy eah
2017-07-24 20:19 Chriz: didnt notice
2017-07-24 20:20 Chriz: 01:32:164 (1) - tbh i felt like this was falling more out of style
2017-07-24 20:20 Chriz: because its a curve in movement
2017-07-24 20:20 Chriz: and not a snap
2017-07-24 20:20 Deramok: just gonna throw in the room that these could be sliders depending on preference with that extra sound on 3 01:33:840 (1,2,3,4) - 
2017-07-24 20:20 Chriz: like a circular movement instead of a break in movement
2017-07-24 20:21 Chriz: its the same pattern as before aswell
2017-07-24 20:21 Chriz: so i kept it the way this pattern is
2017-07-24 20:21 Chriz: 00:23:784 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the extra sounds are here aswell
2017-07-24 20:21 Deramok: as before?
2017-07-24 20:22 Chriz: i linked an example
2017-07-24 20:22 Deramok: uh, talking about the last stream, are we on the same page?
2017-07-24 20:22 Deramok: ah nvm
2017-07-24 20:22 Chriz: i dont even hear a specific sound on 3
2017-07-24 20:23 Deramok: ah they're reversed
2017-07-24 20:23 Chriz: so i assumed you meant the violin
2017-07-24 20:23 Chriz: since its a loop of song
2017-07-24 20:23 Deramok: 01:33:840 (1,3,1) - have the same sounds on it
2017-07-24 20:23 Chriz: 00:13:058 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - it would start here again
2017-07-24 20:23 Deramok: is what i meant
2017-07-24 20:23 Chriz: if it continues
2017-07-24 20:23 Deramok: which isn't the same as in the previous one
2017-07-24 20:23 Chriz: ah
2017-07-24 20:24 Deramok: just an option though
2017-07-24 20:24 Deramok: completely fine to keep it as is
2017-07-24 20:24 Chriz: i keep it