22:09 Chalwa: Hellow Bakari!
22:09 Bakari: Hey
22:09 Chalwa: How are you?
22:09 Bakari: doin' alright, and you?
22:10 Chalwa: I'm kinda bored, cause I'm alone on this village where I am now :/
22:10 Chalwa: Are you free to mod now?
22:10 Chalwa: Cause I need experienced mod, cause i get some but with meh quality :/
22:10 Bakari: It really depends on the song
22:11 Chalwa: it's not k-pop
22:12 Bakari: yeah, I guessed it :p
22:12 Chalwa: haha
22:12 Chalwa: I know you can don't like it
22:12 Chalwa: Wait
22:12 Chalwa: What i've just wrote?
22:12 *Chalwa is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1349621 55x55 - SILNOYE ZAYAVLENIE (feat. Sergey Druzhko)]
22:13 Bakari: to be fair, spamming your name 4 times is a bit too much
22:14 Chalwa: Ohhh...
22:14 Bakari: you already have your name listed as the creator
22:15 Bakari: have you seen the room? tommy wiseau has his own name mentioned like 5 times in the opening credits
22:15 Bakari: don't be like that guy
22:16 Chalwa: So you think better names are only "NORMAL DRUZHKO" and for easy "EASY A R M I N DRUZHKO"?
22:16 Bakari: the names don't even make much sense, though
22:17 Bakari: here, let me explain why
22:17 *Bakari is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1057483 bradbreeck - Lucky Me Song - Feat. Courtney Fortune]
22:18 Bakari: `you wouldn't name an easy EASY BAKARI COURTNEY FORTUNE
22:18 Bakari: and EASY COURNTEY FORTUNE wouldn't make much sense either
22:18 Chalwa: If you go to forum Shmik wrote why this names are fine, so i was suggested by he :/
22:19 Bakari: did he just
22:19 Chalwa: So will make them normal now
22:19 Bakari: unironically said
22:19 Bakari: it was funny
22:19 Chalwa: ohh
22:19 Chalwa: k then
22:19 Bakari: well
22:25 Chalwa: finally i can update map ;-;
22:27 Bakari: video moffsets are inconsistent, btw
22:27 Chalwa: i fixed it lol
22:27 Chalwa: they are still inconsistent?
22:28 Bakari: easy still has it at -20
22:29 Bakari: why is the song just 40 seconds, though?
22:30 Bakari: and the end feels sort of abrupt
22:31 Chalwa: I really dunno why i cut it that suddenly
22:31 Chalwa: And I didn't wanted to cut it second time, cause maybe i must search new offset etc.
22:32 Chalwa: But if it's really needed, I can cut it better now
22:32 Bakari: why did you cut it in the first place?
22:33 Bakari: i mean, the song is literally 2 minutes, and a pretty big portion of it is the intro/break
22:33 Chalwa: Cause next part of the song is 40 second to next chorus where he is only speaking and music is really quiet here
22:34 Chalwa: If I wanted to make all song, I must make break from end of my map to ~1:25
22:35 Chalwa: So I decided to cut it
22:35 Bakari: meh, it's not like the part was unmapable, though
22:36 Bakari: anyway, it's no use complaining about that now
22:36 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1349622 55x55 - SILNOYE ZAYAVLENIE (feat. Sergey Druzhko) [Normal]]
22:36 Chalwa: So must I making new better cut?
22:36 Bakari: well, a new cut with a better ending would definitely be a good idea
22:37 Bakari: though I'd probably consider making a full version instead of just cutting stuff
22:38 Bakari: the short cut on this one gives me that lazy mapping impression, though it could be just me
22:39 Chalwa: You know I'm not lazy mapper - yes?
22:39 Bakari: all i see is a two minute song cut to 40 seconds
22:39 Bakari: this fact alone makes me question the statement above
22:40 Chalwa: Ahhh...
22:40 Bakari: 00:11:945 (2,3) - these follow the vocals, apparenty. that very repetive part when he just says segei druzhko
22:41 Bakari: 00:15:638 (3,4) - this is the same line repeated, yet it uses different rhythm
22:41 Chalwa: 00:08:022 (2,3,4) - here is the same rhythm, but without this slider at the end
22:42 Bakari: yeah, you're basically using two different rhythms for the same part
22:44 Bakari: sort of weird, assuming the song is built around the repetitive concept
22:45 Bakari: 00:16:792 (1) - definitely needs a 5% volume line somewhere on the tail and either the sliderslide or slidertick could be silenced
22:46 Chalwa: I know my mapping style is really weird, but
22:47 Bakari: you can't justify a rhythm that ignores the idea of the song with your mapping style though
22:47 Chalwa: I wanted to map it like it's not repeat parts here
22:47 Chalwa: Yea, you're right here.
22:47 Bakari: it's the idea of the song that comes first, and then the song itself is the base for everything else
22:48 Bakari: if you really want that variation, I'd rather go with the synth/drum based rhythm there
22:48 Bakari: though that'd probably require a lot of work
22:48 Chalwa: Ok, i won't have an argument with you, so I'll change this two patterns ^^
22:50 Chalwa: Fixed
22:50 Bakari: 00:18:638 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - these are supposed to be built around drums, right?
22:51 Chalwa: Yes, you are right
22:52 Chalwa: Wait, will upload with new mp3
22:53 Bakari: then I guess we should try something like a rhythm with increasing intensity rather than something that follows vocals and the drums simultaneously
22:54 Chalwa: Yea, but i don't want to make this diff that hard :/
22:54 Bakari: the 1/1 part works well with the current rhythm, but then at 00:26:022 - you contadict yourself and ignore the vocals that you were following previously
22:55 Chalwa: You can hear from here, author put into 1/2 beats quiet, but put sounds
22:56 Chalwa: Which you haven't got at 00:18:638 - and next
22:56 Bakari: there is a clear progression there, so why not stick to that concept?
22:56 Bakari:
http://i.imgur.com/tv656Fx.jpg22:57 Bakari: basically, this would start with the very simplistic drum rhythm (2/1)
22:57 Bakari: and gradually as the intensity increases that'd complicate things easing players into harder 1/1 and a short 1/2 pattern
22:57 Bakari: this way you'd have drums mapped
22:58 Bakari: so, players would have a clear idea of what instrument is mapped and what rhythm is used
23:00 Bakari: as for the 1/4 part, a plain 2/1 slider would work, I guess
23:00 Bakari: let me redownload
23:02 Bakari: 00:16:792 (1) - sliderslide is still audible
23:03 Bakari: you can have a green line on 00:16:803 - which is 10-11 ms away from the sliderhead
23:03 Bakari: so, you can mute the slidertail practically completely without affecting the sliderhead
23:04 Chalwa: Ohhh... now i can do it like i wanted
23:04 Chalwa: Thanks really
23:05 Bakari: 00:31:561 (1,2) - these would do better as 4 circles, as both sergei and the drums have 4 peaks at that part
23:06 Bakari: also, I can't quite agree with the rhythm used in the kiai section, I don't really feel like 00:33:869 (2) -00:35:254 (4,6) - 00:37:561 (3) - these sliders are justified
23:08 Bakari: the beats on head and tail of each slider are pretty much equal in terms of intensity and sound very similar
23:08 Chalwa: Ok, this rhythm isn't very, very good, but it's not that bad i think
23:08 Bakari: additionally, I really don't hear any long notes that'd justify the hold feel of the sliders
23:08 Chalwa: So another time change sliders to circles?
23:09 Chalwa: Ok, i agree with that on 00:37:561 (3) - slider
23:09 Bakari: why not this time, though?
23:09 Bakari:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8566584 here, I've made a very simplistic rhythm that I feel works better
23:09 Bakari: test it and let me know what you think
23:11 Chalwa: Ok, this is nice
23:11 Chalwa: And
23:13 Chalwa: 00:37:099 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/856660423:13 Chalwa: Is this better for you?
23:14 Bakari: yeah, that works as well
23:14 Bakari: the on;y problem is that the whole kiai is repetitive and you have to reajust practically the whole kiai
23:14 Chalwa: That's not problem
23:15 Bakari: alright, i'll go get some tea, hit me up when you're ready to look at the hard difficulty
23:19 Chalwa: ok, I've a bit remapped kiai, but it's still looks like before
23:19 Bakari: the main thing is that it has to please you as the creator
23:21 Chalwa: I really like your rhythm and I did my patterns here and it's really great
23:22 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1349620 55x55 - SILNOYE ZAYAVLENIE (feat. Sergey Druzhko) [Hard]]
23:23 Bakari: so, moving on?
23:23 Chalwa: Yea, but please do it as fast as you can, cause my granmda will be really angry to me xD
23:24 Bakari: 00:16:792 (1) - same hitsounding stuff
23:24 Chalwa: did it
23:24 Bakari: 00:26:945 (3,4) - the shapes don't really make ane sense as they give the "glitched" feel to various parts of the slider, hence affecting sliders differently
23:24 Chalwa: The same on insane i did stuff with slider
23:24 Bakari: additionally, it's just these two in the entire difficulty
23:25 Bakari: 00:31:561 (1,2) - same as on normal, except this time I'd really insist on changing these into circles
23:25 Bakari: the context of a hard difficulty clearly allows a lot more
23:25 Chalwa: Yes, of course for consistency in diffs will do it
23:25 Chalwa: You can also write and I'll fix stuff
23:26 Bakari: 00:33:061 (3,4,5) - there isn't much sense in this triplet, i believe
23:26 Bakari: (3,4) ignore a bunch of 1/8s
23:26 Bakari: 00:33:292 (5) - follows the only pure 1/4 beat there
23:27 Bakari: apparently, the beat on (5) was meant to be a sort of a slowdown of the drumroll
23:27 Bakari:
https://bakarisu.s-ul.eu/XdspKUCe.jpg so, stress that with a 1/4 slider?
23:28 Bakari: 00:33:407 (1,2,3) - rhythmically they'd make a lot more sense if they were ctrl+'g'd
23:28 Bakari: 00:34:330 (4) - @Normal
23:28 Bakari: 00:36:176 (3) - same
23:29 Bakari: 00:36:176 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - also, this is a massive mismatch between the rhythms. you really should replace those 1/1s with 1/2s
23:29 Bakari: otherwise the whole thing gets too unbalanced and just swings from 1/4s to 1/1s
23:32 *Bakari is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1349621 55x55 - SILNOYE ZAYAVLENIE (feat. Sergey Druzhko) [Insane]]
23:33 Bakari: 00:05:715 (1) - the whistle here feels inconsistent and sort of unintentional assuming it's the only one in that part
23:33 Bakari: finish, perhaps?
23:33 Bakari: 00:13:099 (1) - repetition of the intro, so the same goes here
23:34 Chalwa: ok, fixed
23:34 Bakari: 00:33:407 (1,2,3) - ctrl+g, same as @Hard
23:34 Bakari: 00:35:715 (2,3,4) - ^
23:35 Bakari: 00:36:984 (7) - there is no point in going for 1/8s, if you ignore 1/2s in the very next pattern
23:37 Chalwa: So normal triplet here_
23:37 Chalwa: ??
23:38 Chalwa: Something else? Cause she is saying I should go to have a shower :/
23:39 Chalwa: Of course i fixed 00:44:369 (7) - too
23:39 Bakari: I'd probably just use triplets
23:39 Bakari: otherwise there's a way around with a bunch of sliders
23:40 Bakari: but that would require more work, so if you want that, consider using it later
23:40 Chalwa: I prefer triplets
23:41 Chalwa: So yea, anything else? Cause she will kill me i think :O
23:41 Bakari: 00:39:407 (2) - two circles, I've already explained why
23:41 Bakari: so yeah
23:41 Bakari: the rhythm definitely needs more work
23:42 Chalwa: I know it, so I wrote to you with it
23:42 Chalwa: So I'm updating
23:42 Bakari: assuming you've cut it to 40 seconds people will definitely expect it to be a lot more reasonable and consistent
23:44 Chalwa: Ahhh... I'm still teaching mapping and I'm trying to improve it
23:44 Chalwa: Updated
23:44 Bakari: then making a full song to experience lower density rhythm and rhythm progression would be a good idea :p