i didn't just pop without looking at it again, the problems still exist... the rhythm is basically copy pasted over and over and the patterns are still overly repetitive.. also there is no need to write what has already been written, just seconding hikiko's points here aswell...

and there is nothing wrong with popping something over personal preference, i strongly disagree with the way this is mapped and don't feel like it should be ranked, sorry.

edit: you mention changes to arrivals mod, which are not even trackable since there is no reply posted lol

Chromoxx wrote:

i didn't just pop without looking at it again, the problems still exist... the rhythm is basically copy pasted over and over and the patterns are still overly repetitive.. also there is no need to write what has already been written, just seconding hikiko's points here aswell...

and there is nothing wrong with popping something over personal preference, i strongly disagree with the way this is mapped and don't feel like it should be ranked, sorry.

edit: you mention changes to arrivals mod, which are not even trackable since there is no reply posted lol

tpz is mostly repetitive, i can't pull a tasuke and make candy crack curtain call here (good map btw). the main rhythm is the same, those repeated patterns fit the music, the finishers have reason to be where they are. not making any changes to the map, as none of your points in my opinion are correct anymore.

You know, if copypaste is a reason to pop a map (or to call as something bad) then 90% of the maps with structure and concepts needs to be considered as bad as well. Forcing variety is also as bad as low quality copypaste but if the quality is questionable per se then it's absolutely fine to pop it - whether personal opinion or not.

As well, I honestly agree with chromoxx that at least a brief explaination what has been changed could be posted for Ayyri's difficulties. It just makes it much harder for other people, especially BNs to track how many people and how many changes were done for said difficulty.

Chromoxx wrote:

edit: you mention changes to arrivals mod, which are not even trackable since there is no reply posted lol

Stefan wrote:

As well, I honestly agree with chromoxx that at least a brief explaination what has been changed could be posted for Ayyri's difficulties. It just makes it much harder for other people, especially BNs to track how many people and how many changes were done for said difficulty.

Yeah I'll take the blame for that one

in reaponse to stefan: i don‘t mind copy paste per-se, i use it a lot myself.. i just feel like its overdone and poorly executed here, also the matter of all streams and patterns basically boiling down to the same bricks used to build them, i can elaborate a bit more later since i‘m pretty busy for the next few days.. i just popped because i personally disagree with this and feel it needs more discussion. Also it shouldn‘t be bubbled in the first place without accurate mod responses afaik according to the bn rules.

„Make sure no mod posts in the map thread have been ignored before qualifying or bubbling a map. Posts without a sufficient reply may count as ignored. When in doubt, double check if the Code of Conduct for Mapping and Modding has been violated on the mapthread and act accordingly.“

lmao lets also please understand the difference between variation for the sake of variation and putting thought into changing notes so that when the song rehashes a melody it sounds and feels as nice as the last while remaining fresh

ofc structures and shit will be the same it's nuanced changes and the quality of them that make the difference

Ayyri's response:

This is kind of sort of maybe the rudest mod intro I have seen in while.. I don't see any reason for hostility here.
1) Low volume =/= unmappable. The background breakcore-like sounds are the most audible component of the song at this time. Mapping half to none of them would not be following how far the sounds are carried, and rather boring. Considering the only other things going on in the intro are the synth and rather sparse vocals. Neither of which, are really mappable for this type of difficulty. Because the sounds are so few and far between, the opening would be nothing compared to the melody or ending.
2) I agree with Alex here. I don't really see why you would be forced to singletap the intro, it's meant to be alternated. o_O (But to be fair, you have a different playstyle than most people anyways. /: )
3) Literally none of the intro is to the vocals, so most of your points for this don't make any sense.. (00:01:275 - and 00:02:912 - )
4) 00:04:275 - The last note is emphasized here, rather than using a monocolour pattern such as kkk because the synth is rising here, rather than staying all the same. (From one finisher to another.) So making something all the same, versus providing a change in colour to emphasize that, seems rather reasonable.
5) 00:24:321 - I mean, first of all, I don't see how you can say that doing the same pattern / copy+pasting is bad and/or wrong, and then have a problem with this. Second of all, yes, it was made to have variation, due to when they appear in the song.
6) 00:35:094 - Mapping something that is audible is overkill? I don't think that's really something safe to say. That can be said as a personal preference, but as a complaint for someone else's choice, isn't very nice. Considering it doesn't hurt gameplay, nor does it break density. Going from 1/1 to 1/2+1/4 is quite the step. Maybe if it was semiconstant 1/2 to constant 1/2, or even using this example with 1/4, I could understand. But 1/1 to 1/2 is still a change.
7) 00:48:866 - Same as the previous point on this.
8) 01:05:094 - ^
9) 01:07:275 - "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." This isn't really constructive criticism, it's just blatant sarcasm. Thus, making your point a lot less credible as an actual conern. It more so sounds like an opinion. Putting that aside, both points that you gave as examples are only following one thing, the bells. Not the vocals, not the synth. Just the bells.
10) 01:18:730 - Follow-up to the previous point here. If this were worded less spitefully, and wasn't so specific to your playstyle, I would see this as a problem. But wording your point like that really does seem rude. But, oh my goodness. Thank you so much for the praise. That was so nice of you !! (But, in all seriousness, this is still similar to the other cases, so much so, that I don't need to restate it here.)

Her response to Chromoxx and Arrival will be posted tomorrow when she finishes it.

Okay, so here are the updates as of 10/15/17:
-Updated some streams in the Inner Oni to spread a little more with the Oni and Outer
-Outer Oni applied all of Arrival's changes except for the volume changes, along with gaining some deletions (although to be honest, most of Arrival's mod was already applied)

Along with that, Ayyri has a note to leave in response to Chromoxx's veto:
"hik -> "i'll let the people following up my post elaborate more"
chro -> "what hikiko said is pretty accurate"

You know, in all honesty, this doesn't really help me out too much. Being a BN, and having looked at the map perviously, it would be a bit more insightful if you gave further points than hers, which were supposably, "condensed". As opposed to saying, "I agree!" because while this does back her up, this does not explain any further concerns that YOU, personally, might have. Beyond this, you previously said the map, most specifically the kiais, were very copy+pasted oriented. Valid point. But did you look the map at all since then? Because you claimed that you points from the IRC chat with Alex were still relevant information, as if you had. Yet, if you had looked, you would have seen that there were changes made to make things seem less copy+pasted, and more varied, as you suggested.

"there is nothing wrong with popping something over personal preference" Well, there kind of is. Rather than popping the bubble, you could have stated your concerns, or even waited for a response to hik's post. (I was at school at the time, and what Alex said is pretty accurate anyways.) Because popping something like that, purely over personal preference could be considered an abuse of power. Considering that someone, who is not a BN, could show genuine concern for a map, but they are not in the position of power to necessarily pop the bubble themselves. So, it would be a lot more beneficial to the mapper/mappers involved to talk things out, and listen, then possibly take action, rather than instantly pop the bubble out of preference. Just a little bit of food for thought."

This is me:

OzzyOzrock wrote:

lmao lets also please understand the difference between variation for the sake of variation and putting thought into changing notes so that when the song rehashes a melody it sounds and feels as nice as the last while remaining fresh

ofc structures and shit will be the same it's nuanced changes and the quality of them that make the difference

Okay, I'd appreciate it if you stop talking down to me like I have no idea how taiko mapping works. You've done it here and you've done it on Despacito. It's extremely rude and quite uncalled for, whether or not you see the concepts I don't agree with as basic or easy to understand. I'd appreciate it if you didn't come to my maps and talk to me like I have no idea what I'm doing, and while you're at it, I'd also appreciate any actual help that you have to offer for this map.

this is the most lit thread of 2017

10/18/17 - Very minor structure changes (color changes) in inner oni, notable structure changes in the Outer Oni along with the majority removal of most "kdkdkkd" patterns.

Backfire wrote:

this is the most lit thread of 2017

Maniera was more lit tbh

So lemme boil down the reasons chromo popped this.

1. The patterns are boring (how ironic).
2. It feels copypasted (no elaboration, so this means copypasting is unrankable I guess).
3. Mod response wasn't posted (the only actual reason for the pop in chromo's post, which could be fixed instantly and then rebubbled).

I don't care how bad the map actually is, but these are no reasons for a pop (except the one actual reason idk what I'm doing). Just stick with "yeah what Hikiko said," even though you really should have put in the effort into elaborating on her points instead of making some lazy comments that don't mean anything. What you said makes as much sense as telling someone their map is bad being "it doesn't play well," which is horrible and doesn't help one bit.

I don't mind this map being popped, but I do mind when the popper doesn't put any actual work into justifying the pop.

Nifty wrote:

So lemme boil down the reasons chromo popped this.

1. The patterns are boring (how ironic).

tbh now that you point it out that's true, streaming heart in its entirety repeats ddkdkkd more than ari repeated kdkdkkd :thinking:

idk me and ari are cooperating as much as we can but i feel like it's a lack of understanding to say that the outer oni needs to be nerfed when at the point it's at now, it's hard to buff it without making it too similar to the inner, and there is room for a harder difficulty than the inner on this set

edit: the same thing can be said about kdkkd in mousou kajitsu lol

10/22/17 - Outer Oni kiai streams nerfed.

My opinion was asked so here I am for Ayyri's Outer Oni.

[Diff]

1. 00:02:094 - Until here I didn't hear an exclusive 1/4 sound, kkkkd fits on that spot and yet the others doesn't. The intro should be nerfed, as in reducing 00:01:139 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - this pattern which emphasizes literally nothing, and, here is a second suggestion for it: 00:00:935 (7,8) - Those notes should be deleted because the foreground sound stops at 00:00:866 (6) - this and continues on 00:01:139 (9) - this spot, no need to put a kdk over here.
2. 00:05:162 (52,53) - These two can be swapped, to emphasize the higher keyboard sounds and alter some variation.
3. 00:06:730 - I don't know if the buzzing sound is your aim to follow, but besides that, this stream fits to nothing, all I hear is 00:06:730 (70,74,78,80,82,84) - on those notes, which are the main sound is on. Mixing up instruments like that is might be a good way to variate it, but it's not clear that which instrument is followed then. For a section you can try following one instrument and switch one on another.
4. 00:08:094 (89,90,91) - The only 3-plet I hear is on these notes, which I assume you follow that, but else is 1/2 keyboard sound, which is overmapped by 00:07:821 (85,86,87,88) - these notes. My recommendation will be deleting 00:07:889 (86,88) - these notes, since the music goes calmer, and the only instrument that can be emphasized is the keyboard.
5. 00:10:003 - 00:14:366 - Sound-wise, those are different and yet the patterns are the same. It is a good place for variation, but for some reason you choose to put the exact same patterns on this. Something like 00:10:412 (105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113) - ddkdkkkkk works here better in my opinion.
6. 00:32:912 - I think this stream is unneccessary. While the music has gone louder, there are no sounds that supporting it, not even the weird vocals like on 00:32:094 - this spot for example. The patterns can be intense, but I'm against to have a stream on it.
7. 00:39:730 - I think a single don or kat is enough to emphasize this, the song's melody hardly changes and no need to increase density here. The buzzing "BAAA" sound is not an excuse to map 1/4 ddddk here. Following keyboards here will help you to keep a good structure, and maybe you can emphasize the sounds on it with a single note, like you did on clock ticks before.
8. 01:18:730 - Same opinions on the stream before, but the main think that caught me in the eye is: 01:19:821 (333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342) - what do these follow? They seem randomly mapped to me, just to keep density the same. Follow the melody instead.
9. 01:21:798 - This note seems excessive to me, while the sound stops there I don't think it's a good idea to put a note here.
10. 01:22:003 (354,355,356,357) - Due to keyboard pitch, I recommend k d d k, and 01:22:548 (358,359,360) - dkd 01:22:821 (361,362) - k k.
11. 01:36:185 - I think the stream should stop there because of 2 reasons: The music is not as intense as the previous section, and there is no stable structure between this stream and the 2nd one. The notes should be decreased, doublets can be used just for example by deleting 01:36:253 - 01:36:457 - 01:36:798 - 01:37:753 - and lastly 01:37:821 - this can be changed to don. And, 01:37:889 (515,517) - these two can be deleted.
12. 01:38:980 (528) - Not important, but the note is unsnapped by 1ms, and, my suggestion is to change this one to kat, since sound-wise 01:38:911 (527,528,529,530) - those four that you follow are the same, and the kat on 01:39:185 - this note is clearly to emphasize the higher note, so kkkdk is a good option to emphasize this one. Side note: These kinds of variations can be applied throughout the map, the patterns don't have to be exactly the same on a diff, some reducements on some patterns and changing the colors of them will help you to provide a better variation, because the map is consistent already.

About copy-paste: I disagree what Chromoxx say here, this map is not that similiar to make a judgement like this. Consistency is required, as well as variation. However, the patterns and overall structure seem not that good for me, so these are my suggestions to improve the diff further, alongside the similiar parts that should be changed as well. On the last statement of Taikocracy about making the diff hard compared to Inner, referring to:


You can't do that unless the song allows you to do. Because of this reason, I see a lot of overmapped sections. This is not an excuse to map a harder diff, and I don't think it's acceptable.

Edit: There was a finisher after a 1/4 stream which iirc comes as dkkdK which is not good. Can't remember where it is now.

i love this ACTUAL FEEDBACK feels good when the set is actually going somewhere instead of waiting for an explanation for 2+ weeks

i'll respond to this mod myself, andwill post ayyri's response when she gets around to writing one lmao edit: i changed it all myself (not commented = i agree)

frukoyurdakul wrote:

My opinion was asked so here I am for Ayyri's Outer Oni.

[Diff]

1. 00:02:094 - Until here I didn't hear an exclusive 1/4 sound, kkkkd fits on that spot and yet the others doesn't. The intro should be nerfed, as in reducing 00:01:139 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - this pattern which emphasizes literally nothing, and, here is a second suggestion for it: 00:00:935 (7,8) - Those notes should be deleted because the foreground sound stops at 00:00:866 (6) - this and continues on 00:01:139 (9) - this spot, no need to put a kdk over here. I don't think the intro necessarily needs to be nerfed, and that's because the way it is mapped right now acknowledges all of the breakcore drums in the background in a way that doesn't hurt the gameplay.
2. 00:05:162 (52,53) - These two can be swapped, to emphasize the higher keyboard sounds and alter some variation.
3. 00:06:730 - I don't know if the buzzing sound is your aim to follow, but besides that, this stream fits to nothing, all I hear is 00:06:730 (70,74,78,80,82,84) - on those notes, which are the main sound is on. Mixing up instruments like that is might be a good way to variate it, but it's not clear that which instrument is followed then. For a section you can try following one instrument and switch one on another. It is indeed mapped to the buzzer
4. 00:08:094 (89,90,91) - The only 3-plet I hear is on these notes, which I assume you follow that, but else is 1/2 keyboard sound, which is overmapped by 00:07:821 (85,86,87,88) - these notes. My recommendation will be deleting 00:07:889 (86,88) - these notes, since the music goes calmer, and the only instrument that can be emphasized is the keyboard.
5. 00:10:003 - 00:14:366 - Sound-wise, those are different and yet the patterns are the same. It is a good place for variation, but for some reason you choose to put the exact same patterns on this. Something like 00:10:412 (105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113) - ddkdkkkkk works here better in my opinion.
6. 00:32:912 - I think this stream is unneccessary. While the music has gone louder, there are no sounds that supporting it, not even the weird vocals like on 00:32:094 - this spot for example. The patterns can be intense, but I'm against to have a stream on it. There's actually those mega loud bass hits present throughout the entire measure, and seeing as it leads into a calmer part, I think it's quite a nice transition.
7. 00:39:730 - I think a single don or kat is enough to emphasize this, the song's melody hardly changes and no need to increase density here. The buzzing "BAAA" sound is not an excuse to map 1/4 ddddk here. Following keyboards here will help you to keep a good structure, and maybe you can emphasize the sounds on it with a single note, like you did on clock ticks before. I understand your point, however the buzz is present throughout the entire beat, and mapping 1/4 ddddk to emphasize that isn't a bad idea...it's like putting a tenuto mark on a quarter note, it needs to be emphasized for that entire beat.
8. 01:18:730 - Same opinions on the stream before, but the main think that caught me in the eye is: 01:19:821 (333,334,335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342) - what do these follow? They seem randomly mapped to me, just to keep density the same. Follow the melody instead. There's a certain sound that's being emphasized here with the stream, I'm just not quite sure how to describe it lol. It's scattered across the section before it but starting at 01:18:730 (317) - it is constantly present. Along with that, I think this stream works quite well as a transition too.
9. 01:21:798 - This note seems excessive to me, while the sound stops there I don't think it's a good idea to put a note here.
10. 01:22:003 (354,355,356,357) - Due to keyboard pitch, I recommend k d d k, and 01:22:548 (358,359,360) - dkd 01:22:821 (361,362) - k k. I can agree with the k d d k stuff, but I don't think anything else should be changed, the current notes reflect the pitch fairly well as it is.
11. 01:36:185 - I think the stream should stop there because of 2 reasons: The music is not as intense as the previous section, and there is no stable structure between this stream and the 2nd one. The notes should be decreased, doublets can be used just for example by deleting 01:36:253 - 01:36:457 - 01:36:798 - 01:37:753 - and lastly 01:37:821 - this can be changed to don. And, 01:37:889 (515,517) - these two can be deleted. I would agree if this difficulty was not meant to be really difficult, but it is-the stream changes it's structure to accommodate the heavier bass hits that begin at 01:36:185 (494) - . Because of that, I don't see a need to delete any notes in that stream.
12. 01:38:980 (528) - Not important, but the note is unsnapped by 1ms, and, my suggestion is to change this one to kat, since sound-wise 01:38:911 (527,528,529,530) - those four that you follow are the same, and the kat on 01:39:185 - this note is clearly to emphasize the higher note, so kkkdk is a good option to emphasize this one. Side note: These kinds of variations can be applied throughout the map, the patterns don't have to be exactly the same on a diff, some reducements on some patterns and changing the colors of them will help you to provide a better variation, because the map is consistent already.

I wouldn't change the color because I hate seeing triplets in streams, but also because the note can really stand as both a don or kat, so the change for one isn't needed imo.

About copy-paste: I disagree what Chromoxx say here, this map is not that similiar to make a judgement like this. Consistency is required, as well as variation. However, the patterns and overall structure seem not that good for me, so these are my suggestions to improve the diff further, alongside the similiar parts that should be changed as well. On the last statement of Taikocracy about making the diff hard compared to Inner, referring to:

it's hard to buff it without making it too similar to the inner

You can't do that unless the song allows you to do. Because of this reason, I see a lot of overmapped sections. This is not an excuse to map a harder diff, and I don't think it's acceptable. somewhat agreeable

Edit: There was a finisher after a 1/4 stream which iirc comes as dkkdK which is not good. Can't remember where it is now.

Where is ayyri‘s reply to fruko‘s mod? zz

Chromoxx wrote:

Where is ayyri‘s reply to fruko‘s mod? zz

written on a slip of paper, folded up, locked away in tako's little box of secrets

Chromoxx wrote:

Where is ayyri‘s reply to fruko‘s mod? zz

I applied all of fruko's mod myself, which is why ari's response wasn't needed... my response was the only one needed as I'm the only one who changed anything although I probably should've made that more clear bc of what I wrote at the beginning of that post

Oh okay, it just wasn‘t made clear in the post which stated that ayyri‘s response was still to come...
Nearly the 2nd time on this set where bn rules were ignored and previous mod responses not checked :/

Also for a set that has controversy arround it i would reccomend at least getting someone who can actually comfortably play the map to rebubble

Edit: also still no response to midnaait and trystiana.. „selective changes were made“ isn‘t adequate

“I applied everything on both of their mods at the time, but other changes since then have changed some points respectively.” - Ayyri

it’s nearly impossible to respond to mods that were 3 months ago as a lot of what was pointed out has changed immensely... i can understand the first veto for them, however since all changes since the veto have been tracked, i don’t see this is as something worth noting... especially as similar notes such as “made changes on my own” are used around other threads extremely often, which is “adequate” enough for their ranks...

i will let stefan respond himself if he so desires, all i will say is that i believe that he has enough mapping experience to evaluate this map accurately

Regardless of whether the map should be rebubbled urgently by someone who is capable of playing the map to 100% to judge it properly or if you adamant to have every single mod replied accurately, time has passed since then. If I had doubts into the beatmap because one of these aspects I wouldn't have consider to rebubble the beatmap.

If you urgently want someone of the BN who is better than me skill-wise; Taikocracy gave his statement he was asking around to get feedback for the Outer Oni difficulty - which happened in the end. I definitely rely to Nofool and fruko's posts since they are reliable sources when it comes to harder content. It doesn't matter if Nofool for example is not a BN, it is merely the non-ability to push the beatmap forward. Plus, we have waited for four weeks - a fairly long time. To put the map longer on a halt without much progress due discrepancies looks wrong to me. It's not the map has been rebubble within the last 24 hours, the chances to give opinions has been given.

I agree to a degree the mod replies could have been done more adequately in the past but since a reasonably amount of changes has been done, points and suggestions may have become nullified making them less impactful to consider since the structure, the setup, etc. won't fit anymore for example. At least for Midnaait's case I can recall there was a conversation between Ayyri and him, although there are only two points to mention. But if you adamant to have every point replied to the thread despite of their questionable reasonabilitly then we can consider this quickly - so the progress can smoothly continue without more bigger stops.

Both nofool and fruko‘s feedback to the map wasn‘t positive though, so relying on them to say it‘s ready is kinda ironic

My post never explicitly said that Nofool or fruko were positive towards Outer Oni. I only said it has been checked by two people which are good players.

However, their posts neither were negative.

One of them said it feels way too overdone and the other one said patterns and structure don‘t seem good...

This isn‘t something that should reassure you of nominating it, in fact it‘s quite the opposite.

You said you rely on their posts but they pretty much said they don‘t think its ready for ranking...

Stefan wrote:

I definitely rely to Nofool and fruko's posts since they are reliable sources when it comes to harder content. It doesn't matter if Nofool for example is not a BN, it is merely the non-ability to push the beatmap forward.

What the reliable sources said:

21:15 Nofool: feels way too overdone
21:15 Taikocracy: hmm
21:15 Nofool: its like streams everywhere and it doesnt quite reflect the melody
21:15 Nofool: imo

21:17 Nofool: it plays bad too me
21:17 Nofool: the only legit streams are at the end
21:17 Nofool: when it clearly sounds like streams
21:17 Nofool: the issue is that everything is stream at other places too

21:22 Nofool: i mean you should try to add breaks pretty much everywhere by using the main melody's beat

fruko wrote:

However, the patterns and overall structure seem not that good for me, so these are my suggestions to improve the diff further, alongside the similiar parts that should be changed as well.

fruko wrote:

it's hard to buff it without making it too similar to the inner

You can't do that unless the song allows you to do. Because of this reason, I see a lot of overmapped sections. This is not an excuse to map a harder diff, and I don't think it's acceptable.

Stefan wrote:

My post never explicitly said that Nofool or fruko were positive towards Outer Oni. I only said it has been checked by two people which are good players.

However, their posts neither were negative.

well, yes they had concerns
and then the map changed because of them, improving it.
as a result of their experienced feedback.
(which chromoxxx has yet to substantially offer in a format that can actually improve the map despite his complaints? soon tm?)
😥
watching this thread is a trip

Noffy wrote:

well, yes they had concerns
and then the map changed because of them, improving it.
as a result of their experienced feedback.
(which chromoxxx has yet to substantially offer in a format that can actually improve the map despite his complaints? soon tm?)
😥
watching this thread is a trip

i believe that’s how modding works lmao xD it’s like they think i ignored them both and the map didn’t change at all, when the SR dropped .4* lol

It's a bit of a leap to say that a map is now "good" because of two people's mods where they said the map needed work. Also was it really improved when 90% of fruko's mod was denied, and we have no idea if anything from Nofool's irc was implemented? But anyways, this is besides the point. I'm only poking my head in because Stefan's comments are absurd. You really shouldn't use Nofool and fruko as an excuse to nominate this set, especially if they presented negative opinions that seemed largely denied. What's more ludicrous though, is that you now say that as long as those two modders "checked" the map it would be okay with you?

The point of contacting Nofool and fruko was so that you could get additional opinions on the set, no? Then shouldn't you care about those opinions? If all you cared was that it was "checked" regardless of whether the comments were positive or negative, then you're doing something wrong.

BN Rules wrote:

Do not nominate a beatmap if you are unsure of something. In such cases, ask fellow nominators for assistance before making any rushed decisions. This includes unfamiliar game modes, suspiciously gray area/unrankable issues, quality issues or complex timing.

Also, still no kd for fruko's mod post?

@Taikocracy - SR change has nothing to do with how much was changed. I can nerf one object and have SR change that much. That doesn't mean the map is now radically different, nor does reducing the SR mean the issues presented were addressed.

okay, let’s talk objects then, 50-75 objects where removed from the map since the veto.

i’m truly sorry that y’all don’t like the map, feel free to rate it 1* if it gets qualified, but i do feel you’re only here because you decided the best way to address this problem is to make a diss map of it featuring all the people that don’t like my map...

there’s nothing wrong with the map in essence further than personal opinion, an opinion in which was not backed up the first time...

yes i edited this bc i felt what i said before was rude

Instead of trashing the thread and questioning my posts you could bother to look yourself over the beatmap. Else, just stay out.

Stefan, we aren't trashing you, apologies if it seems that way. It's necessary to question your posts, especially since we've brought forth valid arguments and observations. I don't think the nomination process here was well handled at all, and I hope you can at least admit that and apply it to future nomination processes.

But yes, good point about looking over the beatmap yourself. I think i'll do that.

stop flamebaiting you who enjoy living inside the twilight of social acceptability

using people's stances from before the map was changed as a reason to question motives is just as moot a point as using them to nominate the thing

and now either talk about the goddamn map or stay out

Okay, go discussing metadata with neonat, we think the metadata for the artist field is incorrect. It should just be:

Artist: Lite Show Magic

I couldn't find any official sources that included (t+pazolite vs C-Show).

References (as posted on the metadata server)
+ http://c-h-s.me/chsep-0003/
+ https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/sdvx/iv/p/ ... ?list_id=1



I believe neonat also possesses the actual CD that includes this track.


Also, please add "tricklash" to tags, makes it a lot easier to search for the song.

Monstrata wrote:

Okay, go discussing metadata with neonat, we think the metadata for the artist field is incorrect. It should just be:

Artist: Lite Show Magic

I couldn't find any official sources that included (t+pazolite vs C-Show).

References (as posted on the metadata server)
+ http://c-h-s.me/chsep-0003/
+ https://p.eagate.573.jp/game/sdvx/iv/p/ ... ?list_id=1



I believe neonat also possesses the actual CD that includes this track.


Also, please add "tricklash" to tags, makes it a lot easier to search for the song.

i've already changed this, i'm just withholding the update until the bn who plans to qualify this arrives

Okay, then please get it rebubbled. Metadata changes require rebubble sorry

Thanks. Stefan can now rebubble. Idk if I'll mod Ayyri's Oni so just operate as if ur not expecting a mod.

Well.

tricklash in tags will be nice.

herro that late wake up yeh

tatatat wrote:

tricklash in tags will be nice.

>Outer Oni
* 00:01:889 - -> 00:08:162 - I think its better to move at there since theres the fit emphasis on burst than the 00:01:685 - current first ddkdk that somehow it feels like rip emphasiz, ghost notes zz
* 00:26:912 - felt ripemphasizd if 7plet stuctures, just 00:27:253 - delete it and 00:27:321 - change it as d. I would fine this 7plet be kept if smth intensity e.g 00:18:730 - 00:23:094 - or 00:14:775 - this drumstream
* 00:32:912 - I would point out smth inconsistency? yeh maybe I think.. from here it seems yeh monotones pitch, so you should make it consistent 00:33:457 - kdkdkkddk from here, just like 00:32:912 - yeah kdkdkkddk
* 00:48:185 - 00:48:457 - 00:48:594 - 00:48:866 - 00:49:003 - similar sound but 00:49:275 - rip this, ctrl g it 00:49:275 - ~ 00:49:139 -
* outer LV doff please, 00:52:821 - at least o n l y add here so yeh the empty/dull fel can be avoid, for similar parts too
* 00:55:275 - d so more flows
* 00:57:457 - change from here like b4 ddkdk d k---- or at least just swap 00:57:866 - ~ 00:58:003 -
* 00:58:821 - k, kkk moar intensifizz for sounds around here
* 01:04:003 - h e l o vucal mappin and some own style sounds such 01:04:275 - dun tak dun *jst comment ye*
* 01:18:730 - like before about consisteny colors for dem repeatin sample voic editor music zzzz, but in here 01:19:275 - variation as kkkdkkddk ( yeah kat 01:19:344 - it as intens emphasis if copypaste previous pattern lo) would be good to emphasis da intensis of the stream drum goes high
* 01:26:912 - d so it wouldnt be overc00k and for variaton thingy
* 01:29:298 - i felt da intensity, pls k . dkk gg
* 01:32:094 - dont forget
* 01:34:003 - LMAO DRAGONFORCE
* ok im fine withat that dgf emphasis structurs pattern, but colorin zzz why really like metal map.. its r h y th mical song
nazi suggestion: 1st http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9508211 ~ 2nd https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9508214 more rhythm feel pls
* 01:38:366 - sem
* 01:40:821 - did you just cat this? dem holy zzz, rip previous same part =_=
* 01:41:912 - pitch changes somehow like high low high, so ye kkkkddddkkk, 01:42:457 - current ddk from here donutplant zzzz
smth smth yeh like personal thingy but i hop yeh its for de gud of this diff.. expectin hng

>Ura Oni
* 00:21:048 - dk dk d d K gg feel at bold color
* 00:46:139 - I love this pattern haha generic hermanli pattern, but zzzz really on your diff.. 00:46:616 - really i want u del it at least or 00:46:344 - yeh
* 00:50:980 - yeah here del, so above u want consisteny at structures. u can del that 46:616
* 01:18:116 - del, feels overc00k
* 01:34:616 - 01:38:980 - 01:39:389 - delete please hell oni... not ura
and consider other similar parts at kiais, about 11plet stream... :sweats:

Surono wrote:

herro that late wake up yeh

tatatat wrote:

tricklash in tags will be nice.

>Outer Oni
* 00:01:889 - -> 00:08:162 - I think its better to move at there since theres the fit emphasis on burst than the 00:01:685 - current first ddkdk that somehow it feels like rip emphasiz, ghost notes zz
* 00:26:912 - felt ripemphasizd if 7plet stuctures, just 00:27:253 - delete it and 00:27:321 - change it as d. I would fine this 7plet be kept if smth intensity e.g 00:18:730 - 00:23:094 - or 00:14:775 - this drumstream
* 00:32:912 - I would point out smth inconsistency? yeh maybe I think.. from here it seems yeh monotones pitch, so you should make it consistent 00:33:457 - kdkdkkddk from here, just like 00:32:912 - yeah kdkdkkddk
* 00:48:185 - 00:48:457 - 00:48:594 - 00:48:866 - 00:49:003 - similar sound but 00:49:275 - rip this, ctrl g it 00:49:275 - ~ 00:49:139 -
* outer LV doff please, 00:52:821 - at least o n l y add here so yeh the empty/dull fel can be avoid, for similar parts too
* 00:55:275 - d so more flows
* 00:57:457 - change from here like b4 ddkdk d k---- or at least just swap 00:57:866 - ~ 00:58:003 -
* 00:58:821 - k, kkk moar intensifizz for sounds around here
* 01:04:003 - h e l o vucal mappin and some own style sounds such 01:04:275 - dun tak dun *jst comment ye*
* 01:18:730 - like before about consisteny colors for dem repeatin sample voic editor music zzzz, but in here 01:19:275 - variation as kkkdkkddk ( yeah kat 01:19:344 - it as intens emphasis if copypaste previous pattern lo) would be good to emphasis da intensis of the stream drum goes high
* 01:26:912 - d so it wouldnt be overc00k and for variaton thingy
* 01:29:298 - i felt da intensity, pls k . dkk gg
* 01:32:094 - dont forget
* 01:34:003 - LMAO DRAGONFORCE
* ok im fine withat that dgf emphasis structurs pattern, but colorin zzz why really like metal map.. its r h y th mical song
nazi suggestion: 1st http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9508211 ~ 2nd https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9508214 more rhythm feel pls
* 01:38:366 - sem
* 01:40:821 - did you just cat this? dem holy zzz, rip previous same part =_=
* 01:41:912 - pitch changes somehow like high low high, so ye kkkkddddkkk, 01:42:457 - current ddk from here donutplant zzzz
smth smth yeh like personal thingy but i hop yeh its for de gud of this diff.. expectin hng

>Ura Oni
* 00:21:048 - dk dk d d K gg feel at bold color
* 00:46:139 - I love this pattern haha generic hermanli pattern, but zzzz really on your diff.. 00:46:616 - really i want u del it at least or 00:46:344 - yeh
* 00:50:980 - yeah here del, so above u want consisteny at structures. u can del that 46:616
* 01:18:116 - del, feels overc00k
* 01:34:616 - 01:38:980 - 01:39:389 - delete please hell oni... not ura
and consider other similar parts at kiais, about 11plet stream... :sweats:
all changed^^

Outer Oni from Ayyri:
1) Moved.
2) Deleted and changed the colour as suggested.
3) Had to change this stream before due to people complaining about the patterns being too consistent. It was originally how you suggested, which sounds a lot better imo, due to the vocal being held on the tick whites. zz
4) Same thing as the above, I'm happy someone else agrees with what I used to have. lol
5) Ya, I know there's a kick here, I used to have it as k D, but a couple people told me it plays a bit weirdly with the svs, so I don't know if having that there is really the best thing to do..
6) Changed the note colour.
7) Made the pattern consistent with the previous one.
8) Used ddk instead, because kkk kinda takes away from the high bell at 00:58:821 - .
9) Changed to k.
10) Same point here as before.
11) I no overc00k. I change d.
12) Same point as before.
13) Changed the stream a bit, somewhat with your suggestions, and somewhat with my own.
14) Same changes for the first stream were applied here too.
15) Changed to kkkkddddkkd to emphasize how the first two held notes are the longest, while the last is shorter / fading.

Outer
00:58:685 - dem ddk u did, k as 00:49:957 - to avoid repetitiv/some ddk for non rhythm zzzzzz
01:38:025 - k as 01:29:298 -
01:18:730 - so ye consistency u wanted, 01:18:798 - 01:19:344 - kat these for intensity de drum burst flows pls

all cats. first and second are important to be fixed imo, third just an optional to make it gg

then rebub gogo

From Ayyri again:

1) Changed.
2) Don't really want to use dkk because of how the bell on the last note of the triple is the highest sound. (Also would be inconsistent with the other times, where I used kdk.)
3) Making it kkk would be inconsistent though, having it as kdk works better for consistency.

ZigiForce - Suronous of Our Tatataimu (Dezu)

I dont think the 3rd point would b break the concept of consistency, yeah i felt (guess?!?!?) the previous and which Ive pointd out are hs difference.. yeh just on vocal and then vocal+burst, it could be as variation tho. but Whatever, Floats Your Boat Feels Your Beat

Good luck guys, rebub

me looking at taiko drama



congratz taikocracyy on bubble, and on future qualify

Yes

Congrats

fuck yes