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Yunomi with Momobako&miko - Soumatou Labyrinth [Taiko]

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komasy
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Joined October 2012
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komasy

Sylphi wrote:

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in-gameリクエストからの、簡単なチェック

[General]
  1. tagsの「桃箱」はArtistにもあるので、外しましょ！
    fixed
[Futsuu]
  1. KantanとFutsuuの間の密度差が、一部の所でちょっと大きいな感じがします。一応、下でいくつか説明しますが、確実じゃないかもしれませんので、それを基準に適当に調整すればいいと思います。
  2. 00:04:876 (6) - 00:10:876 (16) - 俺が見るには、この２つ、似た感じの音パタンのようですので、違うhitsoundを使う必要はないと思います。
    前者と後者ではその部分の音ではなく曲全体的な音が変わっていて、それに合わせてdの割合を増やしていく目的です
  3. 00:19:876 - 今のままだと、密度が少し高くなるので、ここのパートを、もうちょっとシンプルに行ったほうがいいと思います 例えば、00:19:876 (35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43)をo_o_o__oo_oooの感じにすると00:21:188で1/2が４連続に来るのは防げますし、00:22:688 (44,45,46,47,48,49)のも00:23:063 (46)を外すことで、自然に短くできると思います。
    自分なりに変えました。
  4. 00:29:251 (65,66,67,68,69) - kiaiだからって、1/2の５連を使うのはちょっと考慮したほうが良さそうですね。実際、先例があったのか他のRankedマップを確認してもあまりなかったし…
    確かに推奨されていないらしいので削ります
    1. 00:35:251 (84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92) - これの場合は全体的に密度が高くなるので、修正は必要だと思います。
    2. 01:17:251 - 01:23:251 - 02:47:251 - 02:53:251 - 02:59:251 - 同じく
    3. 02:41:251 (12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21) - この場合、Kantanとの密度差も問題になるかもしれませんので、一部のは消すほうがいいと思います (https://sylphi.s-ul.eu/zT8IbWff.png vs https://sylphi.s-ul.eu/xMfLkPd6.png)
      All fixed
  5. 01:03:376 - 01:04:876 - 01:06:376 - 実際、マップできる音もあるし、以前の01:01:876のことや、01:07:876のことを考えても、無視できる音ではないと思います。
    add d
  6. 01:36:376 - d追加のあと01:36:563 (243)を01:36:938に移動及びdに変更。マップのスタイル上では、こっちのほうが自然だと思います。
    現状の方がパターンのラストに相応しいと思います
  7. 01:32:063 (229) - remove? これはちょっと悩みましたが、00:29:251で言ったこともあって…
    01:32:438 - を消します。ddkが連続するので
  8. 02:27:563 (343) - スタイル上、ボーカルに合わせて02:27:938に移したほうが自然だと思います。
    02:30:563 - も同様に02:30:938 - へ
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:04:688 (6,7) - 00:10:688 (19,20) - Futsuuと同じ意見です。
    同様にkeep
  2. 00:24:376 (74,75,76) - 俺にはちょっと違和感がありますね。実際、drumの音が強いのは00:24:376から３つの1/4だから、周りのノートをちょっと減らして、ooo_oの形でマップしたほうがいいんじゃないかと…
    三打が連続するのが悩ましいのといいアクセントになっているのじゃないかと思うので現状keep
  3. 00:30:563 (103) - 00:36:563 (129) - remove? このパートの全体的な感じを考えると、このパタンは少し長くなってる気がします。
    good
  4. 00:53:813 (197) - 一貫性のためにremove?
    ボーカルのリズムが違うので一貫させる必要はないと思います
  5. 01:00:563 (225) - 上と同じ理由で、01:00:938に移動
    okay
  6. 01:42:626 (379) - 01:43:001 (381) - これだとちょっと奇妙な感じがしますね。これ外してボーカルだけを強調するパタンにするのはどうでしょ？
    Muzuだとできる範囲で曲を表現したい気持ちがありますのでkeep
  7. 01:49:313 (408) - 似た感じの00:49:313でもノートはなかったので、外しましょ！
    fixed
  8. 02:09:188 (472) - 02:10:126 (475) - 02:11:251 (478) - ここでは以前のパートとは違って、dが使われているんですが、正直に何を基準でマップされているのかは不明です。02:12:376を見る限り音の高低が基準のようですが、それだと、今のパタンはちょっと曖昧なものになってしまいます。だから、dに変更して見るのはどうでしょ？
    この静かな場面でdを多用するのは曲の雰囲気を崩しかねません。またdの割合を徐々に増やしていくことで次のパートへスムーズにつないでいます。
  9. 02:10:688 (476,477) - これも上と同じ理由で、d kに変更
    keep
一応、これで全部ですが、低い難易度の密度が高いんじゃないかなって、ちょっと心配ですね。極めて個人的な意見だから、あとはBNさんに任せることにします。

modが遅くなったのと、短いことになったことに対しては本当に申し訳ありません。
全然遅くないですし、とても参考になるmodでしたのでお気になさらずに…
yuzu__rinrin
943 posts
Joined July 2014
yuzu__rinrin

Sylphi wrote:

in-gameリクエストからの、簡単なチェック

[General]
  1. tagsの「桃箱」はArtistにもあるので、外しましょ！
[yzrin's Kantan]
  1. 00:35:251 (17) - 01:23:251 (87) - 02:47:251 (50) - 02:59:251 (70) - まあ、以前の似た所との一貫性も理由ですが、1/1のパタンが３、５の形で出るのもこの難易度では高い密度に属するんじゃないかと…
    残しておきたかったのはあるけど... deleteします
  2. 00:41:626 (27) - ボーカルもそうですが、他の音を考慮してもkに表現するに充分な音だと思います。実際にボーカルは以前のより低くても、似た音がある00:43:126 (30)ではkでしたし…
    change kしました。多分似た音の指摘は00:53:626 (44) - の方が説得力あったかもしれません(一応こことの一貫性を取るためにもchangeしました。)
  3. 01:40:126 (112) - パタンがちょっと長くなるのもあるし、01:40:876 (113)の強調にも役に立つので、空白にしておくのも悪くないと思いますよ。
    ここは完璧にfollowしないと完全に不安定な取り方になると思います。113の強調はよくわかりますが、何処の強調なのかをはっきりさせるにはここにノーツを置くことが最善だと考えます。
  4. 01:49:876 (126,127,128,129) - どちらかというと、全体的な感じはd k k dに近いですね。
    全体の感じがd-k-k-dはいいと思いますが、叩きやすい配置と考えるとd-d-k-kが一番いいかなぁと思います。
  5. 01:55:126 (132) - finishを置くほど強い感じじゃないんです。実際に01:07:126 (61)にも使ってなかったので、一貫性のためにもなると思います。
    一回目と二回目の差別化のためにfinishを使っています。実際に一回目の方では音がちょっと少ないのに対し二回目は結構なっているためそういう差別化も必要と思いました。

一応、これで全部ですが、低い難易度の密度が高いんじゃないかなって、ちょっと心配ですね。極めて個人的な意見だから、あとはBNさんに任せることにします。

modが遅くなったのと、短いことになったことに対しては本当に申し訳ありません。
Kantan見てくれる人少なかったので参考になりました、Thank you for modding ~ :3
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Labyr
186 posts
Joined February 2014
Labyr
オマタセしました。

[Charlotte's Oni]
  1. 00:27:563 (120,121,122) - change dkd　尺八に合わせた配置でなければ、直前で kkd は使ってるのでddkにしてみてはどうですか。
  2. 00:33:563 (155,156,157) - ^
  3. 00:43:501 (207) - remove finish　BIGにするほど目立つ音は鳴って無いと私は思いました
  4. 00:55:501 (269) - ^
  5. 01:01:501 (302) - ^
  6. 01:07:407 (318,319) - swap color?
  7. 01:19:594 (389) - move to 01:19:219 -, change d　follow drum.
  8. 01:37:313 - , 01:37:407 - add d
  9. 02:00:376 - ここから1/3ノーツを置いてもいいと思いました。Oniなのでd d k d d k d k k d ぐらいの簡単な配色なら問題ないかもしれません
  10. 02:43:594 (784) - move to 02:43:219 - , change d　same as 01:19:594 -
  11. 02:51:563 (832,833,834) - same as 00:27:563 -
  12. 02:57:563 (870,871,872) - ^
[Labyrinth Oni]
  1. 00:27:563 (131,132) - change d　d d dkkd のほうが直後の1/6の音が際立つと思いました。
    ただ、02:59:626 - からのと似たような配色になって単調気味になるかもしれないので、参考程度に留めていただければ
  2. 00:33:563 (174,175) - ^
  3. 00:29:157 (142) - add k　00:35:157 - に合わせて置いてもいいかもしれません
  4. 00:43:188 (232) - change k, 00:43:376 - add d　あえて置いてないとも思いましたが、直後のノーツ色がkatなので私は問題ないと思います。配色についてはポコポコ音にkatを割り当ててみました。
  5. 00:55:126 (303,304,305,306) - ^
  6. 01:01:188 (343) - change kat　ポコポコ音にkatを
  7. 01:37:313 - , 01:37:407 - add d
  8. 01:43:126 (216,217,218,219) - same as 00:43:188 -
  9. 02:13:126 (362) - change d?　feeling
  10. 02:51:563 (99,100) - same as 00:27:563 -
  11. 02:57:563 (149,150) - ^
どうでもいいんですけど、Labyr って名前の由来が Labyrinth だったので何かの縁かなと思いmodしてみました。
Kantan~Muzuはプレイはしましたがmodに対して苦痛を感じてきたので1年後にrankしてなかったら見ます、ごめんなさい。
あまり突っ込んだ事は言えてないですが、それぐらい完成度は高いほうだと思います。頑張ってください。
komasy
621 posts
Joined October 2012
Topic Starter
komasy

Labyr wrote:

SPOILER
オマタセしました。
[Labyrinth Oni]
  1. 00:27:563 (131,132) - change d　d d dkkd のほうが直後の1/6の音が際立つと思いました。
    ただ、02:59:626 - からのと似たような配色になって単調気味になるかもしれないので、参考程度に留めていただければ
    keep
  2. 00:33:563 (174,175) - ^
    keep
  3. 00:29:157 (142) - add k　00:35:157 - に合わせて置いてもいいかもしれません
    nice
  4. 00:43:188 (232) - change k, 00:43:376 - add d　あえて置いてないとも思いましたが、直後のノーツ色がkatなので私は問題ないと思います。配色についてはポコポコ音にkatを割り当ててみました。
  5. 00:55:126 (303,304,305,306) - ^
  6. 01:01:188 (343) - change kat　ポコポコ音にkatを
    All keep. 1/6の配色の提案に関しては視覚的、打鍵感的にもやはりマイナーなkdddの1/6が相応しいかと思います。またここだけでなく1/6以外の配置をしている箇所についても同じような音が鳴っていて、そこはk一つでフォローしているのでここもk一つでフォローするべきだと思います。実際音を聞いてみても1/6でkkには聞こえにくいというのもあります。
  7. 01:37:313 - , 01:37:407 - add d
    現状の方が目立つ音が分かりやすくなりプレイ感がいいと思います。また3連が続き単調感を与えてしまうかもしれません
  8. 01:43:126 (216,217,218,219) - same as 00:43:188 -
    keep
  9. 02:13:126 (362) - change d?　feeling
    結構いいですね、使ってみます
  10. 02:51:563 (99,100) - same as 00:27:563 -
    keep
  11. 02:57:563 (149,150) - ^
    keep
どうでもいいんですけど、Labyr って名前の由来が Labyrinth だったので何かの縁かなと思いmodしてみました。
初耳でした…
Kantan~Muzuはプレイはしましたがmodに対して苦痛を感じてきたので1年後にrankしてなかったら見ます、ごめんなさい。
あまり突っ込んだ事は言えてないですが、それぐらい完成度は高いほうだと思います。頑張ってください。
ありがとうございました！
Charlotte
1,905 posts
Joined December 2013
Charlotte

Labyr wrote:

オマタセしました。

[Charlotte's Oni]
  1. 00:27:563 (120,121,122) - change dkd　尺八に合わせた配置でなければ、直前で kkd は使ってるのでddkにしてみてはどうですか。 変化求めてdkdで。
  2. 00:33:563 (155,156,157) - ^ ^
  3. 00:43:501 (207) - remove finish　BIGにするほど目立つ音は鳴って無いと私は思いました 確かに~nextのBig強調も込めて削除しました。
  4. 00:55:501 (269) - ^ ^
  5. 01:01:501 (302) - ^ ^
  6. 01:07:407 (318,319) - swap color? okay
  7. 01:19:594 (389) - move to 01:19:219 -, change d　follow drum. fixed.
  8. 01:37:313 - , 01:37:407 - add d Good suggestion!
  9. 02:00:376 - ここから1/3ノーツを置いてもいいと思いました。Oniなのでd d k d d k d k k d ぐらいの簡単な配色なら問題ないかもしれません よさそうなので入れてみます。
  10. 02:43:594 (784) - move to 02:43:219 - , change d　same as 01:19:594 - same as above
  11. 02:51:563 (832,833,834) - same as 00:27:563 - ^
  12. 02:57:563 (870,871,872) - ^ ^
どうでもいいんですけど、Labyr って名前の由来がLabyrinthだったので何かの縁かなと思いmodしてみました。
Kantan~Muzuはプレイはしましたがmodに対して苦痛を感じてきたので1年後にrankしてなかったら見ます、ごめんなさい。
あまり突っ込んだ事は言えてないですが、それぐらい完成度は高いほうだと思います。頑張ってください。
Thank you Labyrinth 8-)

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komasy
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already updated
xtrem3x
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Yunomi map ... 1 star (-w-)/
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xtrem3x wrote:

Yunomi map ... 1 star (-w-)/
Thanks!!!
Arrival
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Muzukashii :

00:13:876 - to 00:24:376 - this part is overall too dense, consider deleting notes such as 00:18:751 (45) - 00:20:063 (50) - or 00:21:563 (56) - so you keep the same rhythm while making it easier
-02:30:376 - same here

00:24:657 (72,73,74) - Id also suggest removing these 3 notes so you can have a 2/1 break before the next part

00:49:501 (172) - As for this one

01:07:876 (231) - I think something like this will provide a good gameplay based on vocals while also being easier
- If you do so move 01:10:407 (242) - to 01:10:501 -
-01:55:876 (424) - same thing here

01:12:751 (255,256) - Remove these two notes and put this 01:13:126 (257) - as don so you have a 2/1 break and a good emphasis on 01:13:501 (258) -

Inner Oni :

00:36:657 - I think adding a note here and removing 00:37:219 (203) - would suit a bit better
01:12:938 (41,42) - ctrl+g these two notes so you can further emphasize 01:13:501 (44) -
02:54:938 - what about

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Arrival wrote:

SPOILER
Muzukashii :

00:13:876 - to 00:24:376 - this part is overall too dense, consider deleting notes such as 00:18:751 (45) - 00:20:063 (50) - or 00:21:563 (56) - so you keep the same rhythm while making it easier
-02:30:376 - same here
deleted these

00:24:657 (72,73,74) - Id also suggest removing these 3 notes so you can have a 2/1 break before the next part
If I delete that 3notes, the difference with Oni becomes strict, so I changed "_kk_d_d_d_K" to "__kkk_d_d_K".

00:49:501 (172) - As for this one
I keep it because the audible sound is ringing.

01:07:876 (231) - I think something like this will provide a good gameplay based on vocals while also being easier
- If you do so move 01:10:407 (242) - to 01:10:501 -
-01:55:876 (424) - same thing here
Because the rhythm of a unique drum which is only in several places is ringing, I want to follow as much as possible...

01:12:751 (255,256) - Remove these two notes and put this 01:13:126 (257) - as don so you have a 2/1 break and a good emphasis on 01:13:501 (258) -
If I changed it, the difference with Oni becomes strict. I changed "kdk" to "kdd"

Inner Oni :

00:36:657 - I think adding a note here and removing 00:37:219 (203) - would suit a bit better
I also thought it was nice, but since ddk is continuous, I changed the last part to kdk.

01:12:938 (41,42) - ctrl+g these two notes so you can further emphasize 01:13:501 (44) -
fixed

02:54:938 - what about
It is interesting

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Thank you for modding, Arrival :)
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Set looks fine i think we can give it a shot
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Arrival wrote:

Set looks fine i think we can give it a shot
Thank you very much, Arrival!!! :)
Surono
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Futsuu
suggestion about sliders, feel free to not applied if you dont like it ( but seems taiko needs more slider lul )
00:22:876 - ~ 00:23:626 - change it into slider
01:10:876 - ~ 01:11:626 - ^
02:34:876 - ~ 02:35:626 - and 02:35:813 - delete

03:04:501 - 03:10:501 - delete these to avoid a bit close with muzu


Muzukashii
02:53:719 - delete it to keep consistent with emphasizes more on 02:53:251 (70,71,72,74,75,76,77) - 1/2 sounds, 3plet 02:54:563 - enouhg in here.
02:55:688 - delete, seems overdone if you did this.

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Surono wrote:

Futsuu
suggestion about sliders, feel free to not applied if you dont like it ( but seems taiko needs more slider lul )
00:22:876 - ~ 00:23:626 - change it into slider
01:10:876 - ~ 01:11:626 - ^
02:34:876 - ~ 02:35:626 - and 02:35:813 - delete
I think that it can express intuitively the vocal and distinctive drum sound, so keep it all.

03:04:501 - 03:10:501 - delete these to avoid a bit close with muzu
deleted some notes


Muzukashii
02:53:719 - delete it to keep consistent with emphasizes more on 02:53:251 (70,71,72,74,75,76,77) - 1/2 sounds, 3plet 02:54:563 - enouhg in here.
I think I should follow up actively as this phrase is only in this one measure.
02:55:688 - delete, seems overdone if you did this.

call me back when its already 24h
thank you for modding, Surono :)
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Surono wrote:

Nominated
Thank you very much!
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Congratz!
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tasuke912 wrote:

Congratz!

yuzu__rinrin wrote:

thanks!
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gratz~~
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toara_fict wrote:

gj

Akemi_Homura wrote:

gratz~~
Thanks!
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02:43:126 (36,37,38,39,40) - just kinda curious, 02:43:251 (37) - intentional 1/6 beat or just missed snap to 1/6 cuz it's not start at downbeat. x.x
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it is sound

edit, ok its edit:
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spboxer3 wrote:

02:43:126 (36,37,38,39,40) - just kinda curious, 02:43:251 (37) - intentional 1/6 beat or just missed snap to 1/6 cuz it's not start at downbeat. x.x
its intentionnal
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Just feeling Taiko BN/QAT has been open mind. I'm not fault finder, hope you don't mind for it :P

Edit: I'm Yunomi's big fans :D
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