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Fuuko
Easy:

00:15:635 (1) - Mid control point one grid up?
00:22:746 (5) - Ten grids down so it becomes like this ? Looks more neat. ~
00:19:191 (3) - If ^, then either stack this with (5) or make it vertically flipped of (5). ~
00:34:302 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - This is kinda boring, since you barely have any movement going on here. For this kind of slider, you only barely need to hold the button at the beginning and wait till it's finished, and plus they're all so close and almost on the same place. So I recommend you place it on more different places so it gets a bit more movement.
00:44:079 - You totally should add a note here. Feels empty without it, and better with a note there.
00:44:524 - ^
01:04:524 (1) - Oh God so creative. <3
01:10:302 (2) - One grid right so it gets a bit more of effect with the next slider.
01:27:635 (2) - Uh, this slider sure is ugly. >_<; Can't you make it a more neat?
01:48:524 (4,1) - Such a blank space between it. Feels so weird, so place more notes.
02:24:079 - Weird blank space again~ Place a slider here that goes till 02:25:413? Like this one I took out of my weird imagination or something~ <3
Normal:

Approach Rate -1.

00:02:302 (2) - Better make (2) stacked to (3) like this.
00:07:857 (2) - Remove the whistle from the end. ~
00:10:524 (1,2,1) - Will get better if you delete (2), push the first (1) 1/2 beat forward and push the other (1) 1/2 beat back and make it 1/2 beat longer. Also, obviously, fix the spacing. For reference, the timeline should be something like this.
00:15:635 (1,2,3) - Probably better if you make it a 1/2 repeat slider instead, since it's a normal diff and all.
00:22:524 (3,4,5) - ^
00:24:079 (1,2,3) - ^
00:27:191 (2) - One grid right so it gets more neat / to keep spacing even.
00:34:746 (2,3,4,5) - Too hard for a normal, so you either would have to stack them all, or make it two 1/2 sliders, or a single 1/2 slider with two repeats, or make it a 1/1 beat slider with one repeat ( which is what I recommend).

Actually, I'd like to state that the part between 0:30:302 ~ 0:44:524, if you keep a mostly 1/1 beat will make the map a lot more consistent then it currently is.

01:04:079 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Wuuuuuut, so many 1/2 together in a normal diff. Place some 1/1 spaced sliders/notes between them so you make it more suitable to a normal diff.
01:18:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Also, too hard for a normal diff. Mix some sliders in. ;n;

01:27:191 ~ 01:48:524 - This whole part is too hard for a normal diff. My suggestion is that you try to keep a 1/1 pace.

02:14:079 (4,5) - Push (4) one grid left, and (5) would work better if stacked with (4).
02:21:191 (4,5) - Stack 'em? ~
02:34:080 (2,3) - Stack them like this?
02:40:080 (1) - Remove the finish from the return.
02:52:524 (1) - Remove new combo.
Hard:

00:36:524 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:37:857 (3) - New combo.
00:38:302 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:51:635 (1,3,4,5) - Since this pattern is a somewhat jump, remove the new combo from (1) and add new combo to (3).
01:16:524 (1,2) - Remove the new combo from (1) and add new combo to (2).
01:24:524 (2,3,4,5) - Eeeeh, this jump is kinda sudden, since (2) is stacked to (1) and then suddenly some JUMP JUMP. Reduce it a bit? ~
01:40:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I don't think these notes fits here, since the audio at this part suddenly drops down, so you'd want to make it into something else.
01:49:413 (1) ~ 01:55:413 (4) - Suddenly such big jumps out of nowhere. o_o Reduce it a bit, it's just plain wrong to make a TOTALLY harder part just to make the map hard itself. It will only cause people to rage.
02:16:968 (4,5,7) - Add whistle to (4) and remove whistle from (5) and (7).

02:25:857 - Don't use 1,5x for this whole section, since it's suddenly so fast. If anything, use 1,2x at max. It doesn't fits how the slider velocity suddenly goes fast after a part where the song doesn't change from calm to fast part.

02:58:746 (3,4,5) - Better not stack these, since it suddenly changes from 1/2 to a bit longer notes.
That's it, sorry for being a little late. Yesterday wasn't a very good day. x_x;
Anyways, good luck. õ>
Topic Starter
Shadow

Raging Bull wrote:

General:
Change approachrate circle to 128x128. Yours is 140x140.

Ok.

Easy:

Try not to use ticksounds. It sounds weird because if you believe that particular section needs hitsound, then use a circle and not ticks.

No, for me it sounds weird not having the tick sounds, and I want to keep the sliders as is. orz.

00:41:413 (1) - Did you forget to add claps to beginning/end?

Thanks, Added

01:20:079 (1,2) - Unstack these? I don't really like stack on the lower diffs.

Ok~

01:40:079 (1) - Raise this and the next section? It's rather hard to hear.

This was done on purpose

01:48:524 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - I prefer you add few extra notes in here since it's still kiai time and the lack of notes is rather bad.

Sure.

02:47:191 (1,2) - Unstack?

Ok..

03:05:413 (1) - Map this spinner? You have a really long spinner up ahead anyways so best not to tire beginners out yet.

Nope, sorry, Going to keep this for consistency sake

Normal:
00:01:857 (1,2,3) - Think you can move these notes lower? It's rather close to HP bar and I'm sure it touches HP bar skins.

Done

01:39:635 (3) - Raise the repeat/end volume a bit?

Nope, Like in easy, this was done on purpose.

01:42:302 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - I think these 1/2 notes would be kinda difficult. Maybe adding couple of sliders in there for a small break?

Remapped, should be easier now

01:48:968 (1,1,1,1,1) - I don't see the point of combo spam here. Mind if you just continue your NC pattern?

woops, was when I copied them, forgot to edit combo's :D fixed.

03:06:746 (1) - Make this into a slider? I think the current spinner could be too short.

No, same reason as for Easy

Hard:
I think AR7 would fit more.

I prefer 8, 7 Makes it harder to sight read. But fine, changed.

01:40:524 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Raise volume for these?

No.

03:06:746 (1) - I just found it funny how this spinner is longer than normal.

Thanks, Fixed it over all diffs =p

Good luck and star for sure.

Thank you :)
Topic Starter
Shadow
Orz, sorry! I'm still busy applying updates and giving normal another look. I'll submit my updates tonight, if i finish ^_^

Too all the modders I haven't replied too, forgive me. I'm lazy by nature! :D uh, Unless like Raging Bull, you don't ask for a response, don't expect one. But each and everyone one of you helped me so far, so much appreciation for that :)
Lanttu
Maybe change the black combo color to something blue-ish to fit the background more? like 20,45,90? :3

[Hard]
00:14:746 (6) - New combo and remove NC from the next note?
00:16:079 (2) - New combo?
00:36:524 (1) - Move something like this so it doesn't touch (3)?
00:40:968 (1) - Move the first square one grid right, middle square one grid down and 2nd and 4th squares both one grid away from Y-axel, would make it symmetric~
00:53:413 (7) - New combo
01:09:413 (9) - ^

[Normal]
00:16:524 (4) - New combo?
00:19:191 (1) - Delete new combo?

Nice sliders in easy~ And nice map overall, have my star. :3
gyt
[Easy]
I just want to say, that 01:04:524 (1) and especially 02:25:857 (1) slider are quite awesome

[Normal]
Well, I SS it, so nothing really wrong here.
01:06:969 (3,4) - AIMod says me, that it's a mini-jump. It plays ok, but I personally think, that 01:04:079 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) can be difficult to some normal players.
So you use that twisted placing many times: 00:24:079 (1,2,3,4), 00:38:302 (1,2,3,4,5,6), 01:00:746 (2,3), 01:13:857 (2,3,4,5), 01:20:968 (2,3,1,2), 02:50:746 (1,2,1,2)
also some spacing inconstances: 00:16:524 (1,2,3), 00:34:302 (1,2,3,4), 00:36:302 (1,2,1), 01:04:079 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4), 01:13:857 (2,3,4,5), 01:20:968 (2,3,1,2,3), 01:35:190 (2,3,4,5,6,7) and more - 1.28x-1.1x.
Yeah, nazi a bit, but all these things make this diff harder and not so polish like others. I see, some people say it already in their mods. So try to make less overlaps, use grid level 4 and get it closer to 3.5 stars. It will be better for diff spread.
01:22:524 (2) - remove clap at the start, maybe? [and add at the end of 01:21:857 (1)]

[Hard]
00:53:413 (5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3) - too many stacks, imho + score hide new combo and makes it a bit unintuitive http://puu.sh/5EEX. So maybe make something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/147900
01:06:302 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - tough and interesting pattern
02:37:413 (2,3) - this anti-jump plays not so well for me at first. It will be better if you can use 1.2x spacing somehow. But after some attempts It plays ok, so symmetry is everything :)
02:47:191 (4,1,2) - this thing again
cool!

btw, I don't really wanted to mod it, but it happened somehow. Nice map! :lol:
L_P
hi there

normal
i strongly felt that places like 3,635 really need a note. the background beat said so. (5,413 / 7,191etc)
9,857 here

28,968 there is a side-beat note, consider making the spacing larger suddenly? i quite like this pattern.
120,524 raise the volume here?
123,635 add a note stack the next note?
254,302 slider speed change to 0.6 etc?

hard
52,079 change the slider angle? cause i felt that it may looks better
120,968 i feel like could make it jump, so change the slider to
the right one comes at 120,968, left one at 121,413 --- 121,857 a note at the position of the head of slider at the right one. does this sound confusing?but it is fun!!
140,524 add clap or some other hit sound? cause the volume increasing effect wasnt shown out
153,857(1,2,3,4) could make even a bigger square
02:22:968 (4) - dont stack?
02:27:079 (5) - add note?

haha thats all.

many pattern looks similar to me - have you played my map? or just coincidence...
especially the hard one, i saw many shadows of mine
if so, i am glad!!
L_P
i fall in love with this song!!!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatoo short aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Elly-chan
This is amazing for a first map.

[General]
Good, and the folder is sll nice and clean!~
But! I think you should add the same first break in hard mode~

[Easy]
00:23:635 (1) - Nice work, but it's kinda strange. I like it a lot so change it if you want to but you dont have to~
01:04:524 (1) - one of the Ugliest sliders i've ever seen. ;w;Change it please.
01:20:079 (1) - Remove NC.
01:20:524 (2) - NC.
01:23:191 (4) - Add a clap on the start of the slider, sounds better like this!~
01:48:302 (3, 1, 2, 1) - Make this more symetrical please. ;w; --> http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/149090 <-- this is what I want you to do. After you do that, adjust 01:53:857 so it lines up where 1 is.
02:43:635 (6) - I don't like the end of this slider at all, it kinda looks ugly. Change it?~
02:54:302 (1) - I don't like this slider as a whole, looks ugly. Change it?
03:08:524 - Start the last spinner here but end it on the same space as it did before. After you do this, adjust the 5% volume timing point at the beginning of this spinner.

Nice Diff None-the-less.

(Normal)
01:06:079 - 01:07:413 - No. Do something other then this, it is hard for normal players to read this!~ (Same goes for all the other areas that do this, like 01:18:524.)
This diff is fine imo. Kinda like a Normal + :3

(Hard)
Great.

This looks pretty much rankable to me.
phonic
Hi

Mod~


-Hard-

colous
Do not you add another one color?

00:54:302 (6) new combo
00:54:524 (1) remove new combo
00:55:191 (1) ^

-Normal-

AR-1 ?

-Easy-

good :)

It was a very favorite map
Please do its best
Card N'FoRcE
- General: (Considerations and things you need to check/fix for the whole map)
  • Fix the skin credits: it's Okami, not Okani xD
    "electronic" in tags is for what?
    Considering it's unused because there's no time for the game to add it, disable the countdown to avoid any problems.
    The sliderball is a beet too green-ish imho. Try this one:
    Download: sliderball.zip
    But i dunno if the skinner will like me editing stuff this way, I'd like his opinion as well.
- Easy:
  1. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    03:08:746 (1) - use a lower volume at the end?
- Normal:
  1. .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
    Ar-1 or OD+1. Having that huge difference is pointless unless you have a specific valid reason for it (if so, please tell me).
  2. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    03:08:746 (1) - have this start 1/2 before and use a lower volume at the end?
- Hard:
  1. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    02:36:524 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - inconsistent: 02:37:191 (1,2,3)'s spacing is reversed. It's fine while playing because it's still intuitive due to the previous patterns, but it's still an inconsistency issue :<
    03:08:746 (1) - make this start 1/4 before and use a lower volume at the end?
Topic Starter
Shadow

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

- General: (Considerations and things you need to check/fix for the whole map)
  • Fix the skin credits: it's Okami, not Okani xD
    "electronic" in tags is for what?
    Considering it's unused because there's no time for the game to add it, disable the countdown to avoid any problems.
    The sliderball is a beet too green-ish imho. Try this one:
    [attachment=0:faad5]sliderball.zip[/attachment:faad5]
    But i dunno if the skinner will like me editing stuff this way, I'd like his opinion as well.
- Easy:
  1. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    03:08:746 (1) - use a lower volume at the end?
- Normal:
  1. .Opinions: (Just some thoughts, I'd personally like if you follow them)
    Ar-1 or OD+1. Having that huge difference is pointless unless you have a specific valid reason for it (if so, please tell me).
  2. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    03:08:746 (1) - have this start 1/2 before and use a lower volume at the end?
- Hard:
  1. .Suggestions: (Fixing this should make gameplay/aesthetics a bit better)
    02:36:524 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - inconsistent: 02:37:191 (1,2,3)'s spacing is reversed. It's fine while playing because it's still intuitive due to the previous patterns, but it's still an inconsistency issue :<
    03:08:746 (1) - make this start 1/4 before and use a lower volume at the end?
All done. Thanks.

As for tags. Someone suggested it. I think its fine, since it is electronic =p

Also got permission from skinner. He's cool with it.
Mismagius
Easy
00:41:413 (1) - Remove the two "side" points and leave like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/149697
Then use scale tool (ctrl+shift+s) to make slider size bigger (back to normal = 1,046x)
01:11:191 (1) - I'd suggest moving this 1/2 earlier, it may not follow the lyrics but it's way more intuitive (If you follow this, fix the spacing later D: )
01:24:079 (1) - Same as 00:41:413 (1)
01:27:635 (2) - Basically the same as 00:41:413, but leave it like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/149700
Then use scale tool (1,248x to make it back to normal)
02:58:079 (1,2) - This is kinda weird to play on an Easy diff, it's pretty much not intuitive for beginners >:

Overall rating of this difficulty: 9.0/10 - Some ugly sliders but since it's your first map that's no problem. I love it <3

Normal
00:16:524 (1) - add whistle at start and end?
00:16:524 (1) - is also unsymmetric, fix plz :<
00:30:079 (3) - Can you move this the other way around? >.< this overlap kinda looks ugly for me
01:04:968 (3) - add whistle at start and end?
01:13:857 (2,3,4) - I admit, I'm not really a bad player, but this tricked me the first time I tried it. It seems just kinda confusing to have a 1/2 slider overlapping pattern like this... Especially with this low AR.
01:25:413 (1) - add finish D:
01:48:302 (3) - Add finish at end?
02:11:635 (1,2,3,infinite) - OH MY GOD THIS PART IS SO FUN TO PLAY. <3
02:34:080 (2,3) - The hitburst covers completely the reverse arrow. This is unrankable. >:
02:42:746 (5) - Move this a bit so it doesn't do a ugly overlap?
02:59:413 (2) - remove whistle from the sliderbody?

Overall rating: 9.3/10 - Don't care about what other people say, this is very very fun to play.

Hard

AR +1?

00:52:079 (1,2,3) - This jump makes the pattern very weird D: Make it like this? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/149710 (about (4)'s position, just ctrl+h+j with (7) of the previous combo)
00:57:413 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is actually pretty confusing, why not make (4) in the same place as (1) and (5) in the same place as (2)? >:
01:28:302 (2) - remove clap?
01:33:746 (4) - ^
01:40:857 (4,5,6) - Since the song basically silences here, I suggest you to remove these three notes because you're basically mapping to silence
01:41:857 (1) - I think it would be better to put the (1) in another place, since it REALLY confuses me with (2) and the rest of the pattern ><
01:44:968 (3) - add finish?
01:48:079 (5) - remove finish and add clap? follows the background beat
01:52:079 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I had no actual problems with this pattern, but the approach rate makes it a bit weird to play. Maybe change the two later squares to another pattern?
02:31:857 (1) - Add finish at the end?
02:32:524 (2) - Add finish?
03:00:302 (1) - not symmetric >: use ctrl+j to help you fixing it

Overall Rating: 9.7 - Seriously, I can't believe this is your first map. Aside from some confusing patterns (mostly because of the low approach rate), this is completely awesome.

I'd really star this if I could, but sadly I can't do anything for now. PLEASE get this ranked, it deserves it a lot.

Nice job!
Topic Starter
Shadow
Thanks, did most of them.

Left a few things in normal/hard untouched (mostly hitsounds and some patterns)

:)
Astom
o/

[Skin]
-Rename star.png to star2.png (no kudo for that and remember fullsubmit)

Eh.. just that, my real suggestion? go and catch a MAT orz.
Nice map =)
Topic Starter
Shadow

Astom wrote:

o/

[Skin]
-Rename star.png to star2.png (no kudo for that and remember fullsubmit)

Eh.. just that, my real suggestion? go and catch a MAT orz.
Nice map =)
Thanks. 8-)
lolcubes
Lets see!
I will divide this post into stuff you would better fix and suggestions, so take a look at both.

fix me
[General]:
  1. Offset 90. It's not that noticeable due to low OD, but when testplaying in the editor, I had 7-12ms late on everything pretty much. With 90, I had between 2ms early and 3ms late, so that felt much much better.
[Hard]:
  1. 00:14:302 - Better add a note here. It's important for the rhythm. Also, for consistency since this is the only big white tick around this area that's not mapped, while the song does have something on that timeline.
  2. 00:55:191 (1) - Should probably remove this new combo.
  3. 01:20:968 (2) - Is the clap on the start intentional? Considering you were mapping 2nd and 4th white ticks, this one breaks that concept.
  4. 01:24:524 (2) - Not sure if intentional, but are you missing a clap here?
  5. 01:40:079 - This volume change is really really bad. I can see your mp3 is messed up, but I can't hear the hitsounds, it's difficult to play without sound for some (like me lol).
  6. 02:16:302 (1,2,3,4,5) - If you care about symmetry, you should fix this pattern, it's slightly off. Unnoticeable during play though.
  7. 03:08:635 - Use a soft hitsound set for this spinner, the end is awkward otherwise.
[Normal]:
  1. 01:40:079 - Just like in hard, this volume change is bad. It's difficult to get around it (without getting a new and better mp3) but you should increase the volume or just not map that part.
  2. 01:49:857 (1) - Remove this new combo. If you were trying to follow the vocal (which I could see most of the time), this would be a very good idea.
  3. 01:55:191 - This spot felt like it was missing a note. Such a spinner also kinda felt off. You should place a circle here and start the spinner at the big white tick imo.
  4. 03:08:524 - Just like in hard, use soft hitsounds for the spinner.
[Easy]:
  1. 00:41:413 (1) - Hmm to me it sounded like you misplaced the timing section so I will just point out that the start of the slider is almost inaudible. To fix that you should shift the timing section by 1/8. I also think the normal sound would fit better here anyway.
  2. 03:08:524 - Same thing on the spinner, use soft.

suggestions and general opinions
[General]:
  1. Skin: I don't like nexus skin on a song like this. Considering you were trying to fuse 2 skins, it came out okay, but the major let down for me were the combo colors and the slider border. Ice has a light blueish color, and you used a monochromatic one, to make stuff worse you used gray slider border which looks terrible on your blue color. You don't have to change anything if you don't want to, but I strongly suggest to make the 2nd color light blue instead of gray, also use a light blue or white slider border.
    You also don't have anything for the spinner, Default spinner looked pretty awkward with all those warm colors.
    Sliderscorepoint.png looked weird with it's dark colors as well.
  2. 00:44:524 - Don't think this break is necessary at all in easy and normal diffs, the song is quite calm and considering how easy Easy really is, you should probably just map it. Just a suggestion ofcourse.
[Easy]:
  1. It really is a true easy. The only thing which kinda made it boring were too long sliders. They are just tedious. It's nothing critical though.
  2. You didn't use claps at the start, to match the clap-like sound in the music, you used whistles instead. I suppose that's fine, I was just hoping you would do the claps like it's in the music hehe.
[Hard]:
  1. I think that AR8 is too much. Sure it helps to read stuff for us, but for people who are limited to hard diffs, they might disagree. AR7 is just as good and having such a steep difficulty increase is probably not a good idea.
  2. Slightly overmapped at some spots, nothing gamebreaking though (those stacked streams of 5, they don't really follow the music that well).
  3. Probably could have used more sliders, just my personal opinion which has nothing to do with your map I guess.

I could probably say more what I think about this, but it's not important, the mapset is really solid and it's a very good map for a first map.
Starworthy for me atleast.

Good luck!
Topic Starter
Shadow

lolcubes wrote:

Lets see!
I will divide this post into stuff you would better fix and suggestions, so take a look at both.

fix me
[General]:
  1. Offset 90. It's not that noticeable due to low OD, but when testplaying in the editor, I had 7-12ms late on everything pretty much. With 90, I had between 2ms early and 3ms late, so that felt much much better.
Fixed!


[Hard]:
  1. 00:14:302 - Better add a note here. It's important for the rhythm. Also, for consistency since this is the only big white tick around this area that's not mapped, while the song does have something on that timeline. OK!
  2. 00:55:191 (1) - Should probably remove this new combo. Sure
  3. 01:20:968 (2) - Is the clap on the start intentional? Considering you were mapping 2nd and 4th white ticks, this one breaks that concept. This was intentional yes.
  4. 01:24:524 (2) - Not sure if intentional, but are you missing a clap here?not intentional! :) added
  5. 01:40:079 - This volume change is really really bad. I can see your mp3 is messed up, but I can't hear the hitsounds, it's difficult to play without sound for some (like me lol). done.
  6. 02:16:302 (1,2,3,4,5) - If you care about symmetry, you should fix this pattern, it's slightly off. Unnoticeable during play though. I think its fine.
  7. 03:08:635 - Use a soft hitsound set for this spinner, the end is awkward otherwise. Ok
[Normal]:
  1. 01:40:079 - Just like in hard, this volume change is bad. It's difficult to get around it (without getting a new and better mp3) but you should increase the volume or just not map that part. Its a slider, so keeping as is.
  2. 01:49:857 (1) - Remove this new combo. If you were trying to follow the vocal (which I could see most of the time), this would be a very good idea. Good point.
  3. 01:55:191 - This spot felt like it was missing a note. Such a spinner also kinda felt off. You should place a circle here and start the spinner at the big white tick imo. Done
  4. 03:08:524 - Just like in hard, use soft hitsounds for the spinner. Ok
[Easy]:
  1. 00:41:413 (1) - Hmm to me it sounded like you misplaced the timing section so I will just point out that the start of the slider is almost inaudible. To fix that you should shift the timing section by 1/8. I also think the normal sound would fit better here anyway. fixed
  2. 03:08:524 - Same thing on the spinner, use soft. Done

suggestions and general opinions
[General]:
  1. Skin: I don't like nexus skin on a song like this. Considering you were trying to fuse 2 skins, it came out okay, but the major let down for me were the combo colors and the slider border. Ice has a light blueish color, and you used a monochromatic one, to make stuff worse you used gray slider border which looks terrible on your blue color. You don't have to change anything if you don't want to, but I strongly suggest to make the 2nd color light blue instead of gray, also use a light blue or white slider border.
    You also don't have anything for the spinner, Default spinner looked pretty awkward with all those warm colors.
    Sliderscorepoint.png looked weird with it's dark colors as well. I'll take Ziin up on his offer to fix skin/make sb :D
  2. 00:44:524 - Don't think this break is necessary at all in easy and normal diffs, the song is quite calm and considering how easy Easy really is, you should probably just map it. Just a suggestion ofcourse.
    Mapped normal, left easy as is. :)
[Easy]:
  1. It really is a true easy. The only thing which kinda made it boring were too long sliders. They are just tedious. It's nothing critical though. Orz, I love easy as is, no chances :D
  2. You didn't use claps at the start, to match the clap-like sound in the music, you used whistles instead. I suppose that's fine, I was just hoping you would do the claps like it's in the music hehe. For me as it is at the moment sounds really nice. if more suggest this, I'll consider it.
[Hard]:
  1. I think that AR8 is too much. Sure it helps to read stuff for us, but for people who are limited to hard diffs, they might disagree. AR7 is just as good and having such a steep difficulty increase is probably not a good idea.
  2. Slightly overmapped at some spots, nothing gamebreaking though (those stacked streams of 5, they don't really follow the music that well).
  3. Probably could have used more sliders, just my personal opinion which has nothing to do with your map I guess.
I'll make hard AR7 again, even though I prefer it on 8 -.- last time I'm changing this. rawr

I could probably say more what I think about this, but it's not important, the mapset is really solid and it's a very good map for a first map.
Starworthy for me atleast.

Thank you :)

Good luck!
Thank you for the detailed mod.

I'll give a good look though once I have a solid connecting at home again. Having problems connecting to the internet at home at the moment:(

Had a look, thanks man! great mod.
ziin
Ah I was going to mod this, but fix what you want from lolcubes mod, send me a PM and I'll check it asap. I don't really want to say the same things as lolcubes said, but you've got a lot of good stars/mods, so I want to make sure I catch as much as possible.

I'm also interested in making a SB for the map, and maybe fixing the skin a little bit. You won't have to use either, but like lolcubes said, nexus doesn't really fit (It will without so much cyan though).

[easy]
00:37:423 (1) - clap
00:41:423 (1) - should make this all one timing section and map the "claps" throughout the section.
00:57:867 - make this whole section using the soft slider tick 2 (or however you want to do it). The claps here are almost always on the slider ticks, so it fits.
01:04:534 (1) - not quite symmetrical, try this.
slider
184,280,64534,6,0,B|208:336|256:344|304:336|344:280|388:200|388:200|312:224|256:192|256:192|200:160|124:184|124:184|168:104|208:48|256:40|304:48|328:104,1,840,2|2
400,112,70312,1,2

[normal]
00:30:756 (1) - nooo, don't use claps like this. Keep them on beats 2 and 4, use a whistle instead.
00:42:756 (5) - this repeat is over a major section change, I recommend you put a note on 00:44:534 - and think of something else for (5)
01:18:312 - careful with claps in this section, stick with them on 2/4
01:33:867 (5) - no clap
01:34:756 (1) - http://puu.sh/5YzA
01:38:534 (2) - claps don't fit here, the would on the slidertick if it were there. Not sure how to keep it, maybe this: http://puu.sh/5YzL
01:43:201 (5) - probably too low
02:25:867 (1) - You shouldn't but claps on the middle of these, they don't sound right. If you did slider tick 2, then you could put the claps where they belong, but I don't think I like it on ST 2.

[hard]
00:02:534 (2) - this note isn't mapping anything... repeats all through pretty much beginning.
01:33:423 (1,2,3,4,5) - these runs would sound better as a repeating slider, since you're mapping a note that goes back and forth
01:41:312 (5) - doesn't fit
there's some other minor stuff that I didn't really like, but it's either too difficult to put into words why I don't like it or how to fix it, and it's all pretty minor. It would be easier for me to make a guest insane. As I've said many times it's good. Here's a few that bugged me:
00:29:645 (4,5) - move back 1/4 and 1/2 respectively to map vocals
00:31:201 (2) - this slider doesn't map the backup vocals well, which I think you should map

Double check all your claps so they fit the claps in the actual music. You can download AIBat which can export the clap hitsounds as bookmarks so you can get a visual cue as well as the audible cue.

storyboard to come, I'm not sure if I want a rainbow or not, and I'm running out of time.
Topic Starter
Shadow

ziin wrote:

Ah I was going to mod this, but fix what you want from lolcubes mod, send me a PM and I'll check it asap. I don't really want to say the same things as lolcubes said, but you've got a lot of good stars/mods, so I want to make sure I catch as much as possible.

I'm also interested in making a SB for the map, and maybe fixing the skin a little bit. You won't have to use either, but like lolcubes said, nexus doesn't really fit (It will without so much cyan though).

[easy]
00:37:423 (1) - clap
00:41:423 (1) - should make this all one timing section and map the "claps" throughout the section.
00:57:867 - make this whole section using the soft slider tick 2 (or however you want to do it). The claps here are almost always on the slider ticks, so it fits.
01:04:534 (1) - not quite symmetrical, try this.
slider
184,280,64534,6,0,B|208:336|256:344|304:336|344:280|388:200|388:200|312:224|256:192|256:192|200:160|124:184|124:184|168:104|208:48|256:40|304:48|328:104,1,840,2|2
400,112,70312,1,2

All done!

[normal]
00:30:756 (1) - nooo, don't use claps like this. Keep them on beats 2 and 4, use a whistle instead.
00:42:756 (5) - this repeat is over a major section change, I recommend you put a note on 00:44:534 - and think of something else for (5)
01:18:312 - careful with claps in this section, stick with them on 2/4
01:33:867 (5) - no clap
01:34:756 (1) - http://puu.sh/5YzA
01:38:534 (2) - claps don't fit here, the would on the slidertick if it were there. Not sure how to keep it, maybe this: http://puu.sh/5YzL
01:43:201 (5) - probably too low
02:25:867 (1) - You shouldn't but claps on the middle of these, they don't sound right. If you did slider tick 2, then you could put the claps where they belong, but I don't think I like it on ST 2.
Most of them done ( or I tried )

[hard]
00:02:534 (2) - this note isn't mapping anything... repeats all through pretty much beginning.
I know, I left it there, to make it flow better. It plays nice, so I'm keeping it.

01:33:423 (1,2,3,4,5) - these runs would sound better as a repeating slider, since you're mapping a note that goes back and forth - I'll think about this
01:41:312 (5) - doesn't fit changed it back to how it was. I like this version better.
there's some other minor stuff that I didn't really like, but it's either too difficult to put into words why I don't like it or how to fix it, and it's all pretty minor. It would be easier for me to make a guest insane. As I've said many times it's good. Here's a few that bugged me:
00:29:645 (4,5) - move back 1/4 and 1/2 respectively to map vocals I'll think about this
00:31:201 (2) - this slider doesn't map the backup vocals well, which I think you should map
I'll think about this too

Double check all your claps so they fit the claps in the actual music. You can download AIBat which can export the clap hitsounds as bookmarks so you can get a visual cue as well as the audible cue.

Thanks, I'll do this tomorrow.

storyboard to come, I'm not sure if I want a rainbow or not, and I'm running out of time.

Epic!!
Thanks man!
Vergence

Hi~

Easy
Awesome Patterns, man!
03:01:867 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Instead of making the notes look like a circle. How about make it go all the way to the right
Flawless

Normal
00:54:756 (4) - Maybe move this away from (1,2,3) by putting under them ?
01:08:534 (3) - One grid up to equal the spacing

Hard
00:24:089 (3,4,5) - Make this align with (1) so it looks like a roof
00:30:312 (6) - Put this in the place of x: 328 y: 344 so (2,3,4,5,6) is like a long line going down
02:51:334 (7,8) - One grid up to align this with (9)
02:58:089 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Make this nicer ?
__________________________________________________
That's all~
3 STARS~
Topic Starter
Shadow

DragonSparta wrote:


Hi~

Easy
Awesome Patterns, man!
03:01:867 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Instead of making the notes look like a circle. How about make it go all the way to the right
Flawless

Normal
00:54:756 (4) - Maybe move this away from (1,2,3) by putting under them ?
01:08:534 (3) - One grid up to equal the spacing

Hard
00:24:089 (3,4,5) - Make this align with (1) so it looks like a roof
00:30:312 (6) - Put this in the place of x: 328 y: 344 so (2,3,4,5,6) is like a long line going down
02:51:334 (7,8) - One grid up to align this with (9)
02:58:089 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Make this nicer ?
__________________________________________________
That's all~
3 STARS~
Thanks, Applied them all. :)
Shiro
As per your request.

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fix (and what you did) and why.
Also, if you have any question, feel free to ask me in-game. :)

General
  1. "approachcircle.png" is too big (140x140). Resize it to 128x128.
  2. It is not allowed to skin out sliderpoints. Yours also exceed the maximum allowed size (41x29 for the 10 one, 48x29 for the 30 one).
  3. "sliderscorepoint.png" is too big (40x40). Resize it to 32x32.
  4. I think it'd be better to make the light on the borders of the slider-followcircle to go all around the circle. Right now, they go around it a bit, then teleport back to their starting point, which looks weird.
  5. Correct offset is 1863. That's like -4ms from yours, except it's on the right beat. Yours is a measure before where it should be. Remember to resnap all notes and kiai sections.
Easy
  • I am genuinely extremely surprised. This diff is pretty good and the slider are very well-made, especially for a first map. I'll just leave a few comments though:
  1. 00:12:090 (1) - As good as this is, the overlap makes it look worse than it should. Also, the circle in it could be improved: althought the outer border looks fine, the inner border looks a bit weird. Anyway. Make the circle a bit larger to avoid the overlap ?
  2. 01:40:089 (1) - Move this slider's end a bit upwards so that the slider blankets 01:37:423 (1) - ?
  3. 02:14:312 (5) - This slider breaks the comboing. Its end is where a new combo should be in the diff, making the comboing inconsistent at that point. You'll have to rework the whole pattern to fix it though, so you can refuse to fix it, that's fine.
  4. 02:16:978 (4) - This slider's end is too close to the circle. =(
  5. 02:49:423 (3,4,1) - This stack breaks the blanket. The stacking makes (3) go to the upper left, and (1) doesn't look like it's blanketing anything anymore.
  6. 02:50:756 (1) - That's VERY nazi of me (but you'll get to know me and know how picky I am about sliders) but this slider's end is a bit too far from the circle.
Normal
  1. This is a bit hard. To make the difficulty spread better, you should make this one easier, by removing some of the 1/2s and (most importantly) the 3/4 rhythms.
  2. AR5 is a bit high for the Normal diff of such a calm song. Reduce it to 4 ?
  3. 00:28:978 (1,2,3) - I relly think 3/4 rhythms shouldn't be used in Normal diffs because they're rather confusing (and quite complex). If anything, use a repeat slider so that the player doesn't have to click them - the spacing difference between 1/2 and 3/4 being extremely small.
  4. 01:09:867 (1,2,3,4) - Stacks makes rhythms more confusing to read because spacing isn't here to help, so I think you shouldn't use stacks with different rhythms for a Normal diff.
  5. 01:21:867 (1,2) - These claps sounded weird. Why didn't you continue the 1/1 clap pattern you were using ?
  6. 01:39:645 (3) - Do not silence beats like that (yes it is silenced, or sounds like it is at least). Each beat or sliderend is supposed to give a sound.
Hard
  • The only complaints I have is about the streams (which I think don't fit) and these: 01:52:089 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - which I think don't fit either. At that point, the lyrics have the same rhythm and emphasis as the rest of the chorus - I don't see why you would emphasize them more with these jumps.
This is surprisingly good for a first map. Well done !
Raging Bull
Ohohoho. He totally will nazi your sliders. I learned from experience :P
Topic Starter
Shadow

Odaril wrote:

As per your request.

Please reply to this mod saying what you didn't fix (and what you did) and why.
Also, if you have any question, feel free to ask me in-game. :)

General
  1. "approachcircle.png" is too big (140x140). Resize it to 128x128.
  2. It is not allowed to skin out sliderpoints. Yours also exceed the maximum allowed size (41x29 for the 10 one, 48x29 for the 30 one).
  3. "sliderscorepoint.png" is too big (40x40). Resize it to 32x32.
  4. I think it'd be better to make the light on the borders of the slider-followcircle to go all around the circle. Right now, they go around it a bit, then teleport back to their starting point, which looks weird.
  5. Correct offset is 1863. That's like -4ms from yours, except it's on the right beat. Yours is a measure before where it should be. Remember to resnap all notes and kiai sections.
All done.

Easy
  • I am genuinely extremely surprised. This diff is pretty good and the slider are very well-made, especially for a first map. I'll just leave a few comments though:
  1. 00:12:090 (1) - As good as this is, the overlap makes it look worse than it should. Also, the circle in it could be improved: althought the outer border looks fine, the inner border looks a bit weird. Anyway. Make the circle a bit larger to avoid the overlap ?
  2. 01:40:089 (1) - Move this slider's end a bit upwards so that the slider blankets 01:37:423 (1) - ?
  3. 02:14:312 (5) - This slider breaks the comboing. Its end is where a new combo should be in the diff, making the comboing inconsistent at that point. You'll have to rework the whole pattern to fix it though, so you can refuse to fix it, that's fine.
  4. 02:16:978 (4) - This slider's end is too close to the circle. =(
  5. 02:49:423 (3,4,1) - This stack breaks the blanket. The stacking makes (3) go to the upper left, and (1) doesn't look like it's blanketing anything anymore.
  6. 02:50:756 (1) - That's VERY nazi of me (but you'll get to know me and know how picky I am about sliders) but this slider's end is a bit too far from the circle.
All Done

Normal
  1. This is a bit hard. To make the difficulty spread better, you should make this one easier, by removing some of the 1/2s and (most importantly) the 3/4 rhythms.
  2. AR5 is a bit high for the Normal diff of such a calm song. Reduce it to 4 ?
  3. 00:28:978 (1,2,3) - I relly think 3/4 rhythms shouldn't be used in Normal diffs because they're rather confusing (and quite complex). If anything, use a repeat slider so that the player doesn't have to click them - the spacing difference between 1/2 and 3/4 being extremely small.
  4. 01:09:867 (1,2,3,4) - Stacks makes rhythms more confusing to read because spacing isn't here to help, so I think you shouldn't use stacks with different rhythms for a Normal diff.
  5. 01:21:867 (1,2) - These claps sounded weird. Why didn't you continue the 1/1 clap pattern you were using ?
  6. 01:39:645 (3) - Do not silence beats like that (yes it is silenced, or sounds like it is at least). Each beat or sliderend is supposed to give a sound.
I tried to fix them all..

Hard
  • The only complaints I have is about the streams (which I think don't fit) and these: 01:52:089 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - which I think don't fit either. At that point, the lyrics have the same rhythm and emphasis as the rest of the chorus - I don't see why you would emphasize them more with these jumps.
Fixed the jumps, kept the streams :)

This is surprisingly good for a first map. Well done !
Thank you :))
GladiOol
[General]
  1. Is this really your first beatmap? Nice job ^^
  2. Delete .osb file.
[Hard]

00:14:307 (1) - Add a whistle hitsound.
00:15:640 (1) - Remove new combo. Remove whistle hitsound. Add clap hitsound.
00:16:085 (4) - Add new combo.
00:28:529 (1) - Add a whistle hitsound.
00:32:974 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:51:640 (6) - Add new combo.
00:52:085 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:53:196 (6) - Add new combo.
00:54:529 (1) - Remove new combo.
01:05:862 (1) - ^
01:28:085 (1) - ^
01:32:974 (1) - ^
01:34:085 (1) - ^
01:48:307 (1) - ^
01:49:418 (1) - ^
02:15:529 (6) - Add new combo.
02:16:307 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:16:974 (7) - Add new combo.
02:23:418 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:24:085 (8) - Add new combo.
02:35:418 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:56:307 (1) - ^
03:00:307 (1) - ^
03:06:751 (1) - Decrease length by 1/2. Also silence the ending of this spinner, like in normal/easy.
03:08:640 (1) - Put this 1/4 back and increase length by 1/4.


[Normal]

00:15:640 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:24:085 (1) - ^
00:38:307 (1) - ^
01:21:862 (1) - ^
01:42:307 (1) - ^
01:47:640 (1) - ^
02:52:529 (1) - ^
01:44:085 (1) - ^


[Easy]

01:02:307 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:25:863 (1) - Holy shit, this slider is extremely sexy to play as it follows the music so well <33
Topic Starter
Shadow

GladiOol wrote:

[General]
  1. Is this really your first beatmap? Nice job ^^
  2. Delete .osb file.
[Hard]

00:14:307 (1) - Add a whistle hitsound.
00:15:640 (1) - Remove new combo. Remove whistle hitsound. Add clap hitsound.
00:16:085 (4) - Add new combo.
00:28:529 (1) - Add a whistle hitsound.
00:32:974 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:51:640 (6) - Add new combo.
00:52:085 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:53:196 (6) - Add new combo.
00:54:529 (1) - Remove new combo.
01:05:862 (1) - ^
01:28:085 (1) - ^
01:32:974 (1) - ^
01:34:085 (1) - ^
01:48:307 (1) - ^
01:49:418 (1) - ^
02:15:529 (6) - Add new combo.
02:16:307 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:16:974 (7) - Add new combo.
02:23:418 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:24:085 (8) - Add new combo.
02:35:418 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:56:307 (1) - ^
03:00:307 (1) - ^
03:06:751 (1) - Decrease length by 1/2. Also silence the ending of this spinner, like in normal/easy.
03:08:640 (1) - Put this 1/4 back and increase length by 1/4.


[Normal]

00:15:640 (1) - Remove new combo.
00:24:085 (1) - ^
00:38:307 (1) - ^
01:21:862 (1) - ^
01:42:307 (1) - ^
01:47:640 (1) - ^
02:52:529 (1) - ^
01:44:085 (1) - ^


[Easy]

01:02:307 (1) - Remove new combo.
02:25:863 (1) - Holy shit, this slider is extremely sexy to play as it follows the music so well <33
Thank you:)

Did them all, apart from removing the .osb, I'm limited on cap till Friday, so unless its not really needed, I dont want to full submit.
Ekaru
No, you do not need to remove the .osb file. Get with the times, Gladi!

Also...

Hard:

02:47:863 (4,5,6) - This doesn't stack right, so it looks ugly. Separate 4 from the stack; it'll look a lot nicer that way.

That is all; didn't really mod this so no kudosu. I am, however, giving you a couple stars.
Topic Starter
Shadow

Ekaru wrote:

No, you do not need to remove the .osb file. Get with the times, Gladi!

Also...

Hard:

02:47:863 (4,5,6) - This doesn't stack right, so it looks ugly. Separate 4 from the stack; it'll look a lot nicer that way.

That is all; didn't really mod this so no kudosu. I am, however, giving you a couple stars.
Thanks :) Decided to keep it as is, since I cant find anything better to do =p
Lesjuh
Hard
01:40:529 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Stands out too much difficulty-wise and streams like this are a no go for hard difficulties.
The 5-beat 1/4 stacks are ok in my opinion.

Normal
00:42:751 (5) - It's better not to make it a repeat slider and continue with notes. Right now it feels kind of awkward after the repeat.
01:08:529 (3) - Make sure the repeat arrow is entirely visible.
01:36:974 (6) - You forgot the claps on this one
01:49:862 (2) - ^
01:52:529 (1) - ^

Easy
01:40:085 (1) - You forgot the claps on this one

That's it! Fix and contact me for a bubble!
Topic Starter
Shadow

Lesjuh wrote:

Hard
01:40:529 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Stands out too much difficulty-wise and streams like this are a no go for hard difficulties.
The 5-beat 1/4 stacks are ok in my opinion.

Normal
00:42:751 (5) - It's better not to make it a repeat slider and continue with notes. Right now it feels kind of awkward after the repeat.
01:08:529 (3) - Make sure the repeat arrow is entirely visible.
01:36:974 (6) - You forgot the claps on this one
01:49:862 (2) - ^
01:52:529 (1) - ^

Easy
01:40:085 (1) - You forgot the claps on this one

That's it! Fix and contact me for a bubble!
Ok, done it all. I was a little reluctant to change the stream in hard, considered another slider, but I just deleted a few notes and it still plays very nice :)

Thanks.
Lesjuh
Alsjeblieft een bubbel voor jou!
Krisom
11th BAT modpost ~

General.-
· Kiai Times are currently not snapped. It's just a tiiiny difference but I'd snap them just in case ;)

Hard.-
01:48:974 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing kinda bugs me, considering that (1,2) are one beat apart and have the same spacing than the other notes, that are just half a beat apart
02:47:863 (4,5,6) - This stacks in a weird way in-game

Normal.-
02:25:863 (1) - The finish on a 1/4 (on the repeat) sounds really out of place
02:40:085 (1) - ^

Easy.-
01:04:529 (1) - The ticks that have claps here are inverted. The sliderticks with the claps should be 01:05:418, 01:06:307 and so on to match the music
01:10:307 (2) - Why the reduced spacing?

Nice slider design for your first map ~
Topic Starter
Shadow

Krisom wrote:

11th BAT modpost ~

General.-
· Kiai Times are currently not snapped. It's just a tiiiny difference but I'd snap them just in case ;)

Hard.-
01:48:974 (1,2,3,4,5) - The spacing kinda bugs me, considering that (1,2) are one beat apart and have the same spacing than the other notes, that are just half a beat apart
02:47:863 (4,5,6) - This stacks in a weird way in-game

Normal.-
02:25:863 (1) - The finish on a 1/4 (on the repeat) sounds really out of place
02:40:085 (1) - ^

Easy.-
01:04:529 (1) - The ticks that have claps here are inverted. The sliderticks with the claps should be 01:05:418, 01:06:307 and so on to match the music
01:10:307 (2) - Why the reduced spacing?

Nice slider design for your first map ~
Fixed all of above issues, for hard @ 02:47:863 (4,5,6) , I played with it, till it looked better ingame ;)

Thanks for the mod.!
Lesjuh
Changed the stack leniecy to the default setting on Hard. It wasn't the same on all diffs and it's the right way of solving awkward stacking :p

Other than that everything was fine so rebubbled \:D/
Topic Starter
Shadow

Lesjuh wrote:

Changed the stack leniecy to the default setting on Hard. It wasn't the same on all diffs and it's the right way of solving awkward stacking :p

Other than that everything was fine so rebubbled \:D/
Thanks :D
Krisom
(Fixed a weird stack in game)

Peer over the edge, Can you see me?
Rivulets flow from your eyes,
Paint runs from your mouth, Like a waterfall
And your lungs crystalize~

Congratulations!
Topic Starter
Shadow
Yay <3

Thanks to everyone who assisted me making my first map as it is now:)
Raging Bull
Woo congratulations. Time for me to sleep now :v
Shiro

Raging Bull wrote:

Ohohoho. He totally will nazi your sliders. I learned from experience :P
don't spread false rumors D:

also grats
Topic Starter
Shadow
Thanks guys :)
Aleks719
Yay, so cool :3
Congratulations!
Mismagius
Great job! <3
OzzyOzrock
CRYSTAL EYES
Aleksart
Congratulations!
Very good song!!!
Good job, ShadowLord.
Elly-chan
I love it, congrats!
ziin
oh well, at least I didn't do much on the SB. Might still finish it for my own use though.
Topic Starter
Shadow

ziin wrote:

oh well, at least I didn't do much on the SB. Might still finish it for my own use though.
Sorry, I saw a chance, and took it. I heard from a lot of players getting a map ranked as a first time mapper, is hard. So it was hard to resist ;)

orz.
IkkiMinami
:)
JauiPlaY
GREAT :oops:
Congrats!
L_P
Congrats!!!!!!!
Albert-Speer
Some note doesn't fit at all. This get on my nerve
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