Elephante - Hold ft. Jessica Jarrell (Candyland... · forum

yumichi

Joined November 2014

yumichi 2017-06-16T02:32:42+00:00

m4mm~
Don't Let Go

00:11:583 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1) - a lot of overmap in this section
00:31:487 (8) - this slider should be facing the other way
00:36:391 (7) - this shouldnt be reversed just end it on the white tick its overmap if it doesnt end there
00:40:141 (3) - 00:40:574 (5) - blanket
00:45:910 (4) - this kinda breaks flow try something like this https://puu.sh/wlkiv.png
00:46:343 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - try to make the jumps go one way, dont switch around
00:50:526 (5) - kinda breaks flow try something similar to wat i just showed u
00:52:256 (2,3,4,5) - you should just continue with the sliders, kinda feels like overmap 00:48:506 - 01:06:391 - try remapping the kiais with sliders, i know its annoying but i feel like that would be way more comfortable to play and would represent the song wayy better
01:06:679 - stop kiai here
01:08:843 (5) - try something like this: https://puu.sh/wlky0.png
01:22:978 (1) - idk what this is supposed to represent
01:31:487 (6) - should copy paste this to 5 like so: https://puu.sh/wlkDU.png¸
01:31:776 (7) - dont know why this is so far away from 6 kinda breaks flow tbh (and overmap and at white tick)
01:44:324 (2) - just to mention when remapping all of these parts, make sure to add that circle, it is a good circle just map the pew pew pew with the sliders
01:45:910 (6) - and just another idea maybe make this slower and then the next slider faster than usual
02:01:776 (1) - you ignore sounds here

i wont mod more because i think i gave u a lot of stuff to do already so i think ill leave it here, this map has potential and the song is great i would love to gd tbh

Einja

652 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Einja 2017-06-16T03:07:29+00:00

GabyPichu wrote:
m4mm~
Don't Let Go

00:11:583 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1) - a lot of overmap in this section we talked about this in irc and i don't think it's overmap at all. there are drums kicking in, while lyrics are being sung which can both be emphasized at once. if you played this part, it feels pretty consistent, there's just a lot of fast tapping involved, no overmap
00:31:487 (8) - this slider should be facing the other way why? it'll break the current strict ds flow
00:36:391 (7) - this shouldnt be reversed just end it on the white tick its overmap if it doesnt end there i've had 3 people tell me to turn that old 1/4 sldier into a reverse arrow 1/2, and i think yours makes more sense tbh, no sound is hitting the reverse at all
00:40:141 (3) - 00:40:574 (5) - blanket
00:45:910 (4) - this kinda breaks flow try something like this https://puu.sh/wlkiv.png
00:46:343 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - try to make the jumps go one way, dont switch around nudged a few notes around
00:50:526 (5) - kinda breaks flow try something similar to wat i just showed u i can understand how it breaks flow through look of the slider shape, but if they were all the same slider shape facing the same way, it would play perfectly fine.
00:52:256 (2,3,4,5) - you should just continue with the sliders, kinda feels like overmap 00:48:506 - 01:06:391 - try remapping the kiais with sliders, i know its annoying but i feel like that would be way more comfortable to play and would represent the song wayy better how would it represent the song better? it would make all drum emphasis go rip, but if you mean copy pasting the sliders for aesthetics, i already did that.
01:06:679 - stop kiai here why? the intense part still keeps doing
01:08:843 (5) - try something like this: https://puu.sh/wlky0.png
01:22:978 (1) - idk what this is supposed to represent lyrics, but i'll agree that the slider is pretty awkward, i'll try to think of something else if more people vote this out
01:31:487 (6) - should copy paste this to 5 like so: https://puu.sh/wlkDU.png¸ok
01:31:776 (7) - dont know why this is so far away from 6 kinda breaks flow tbh (and overmap and at white tick) did what you suggested at the first part similar to this
01:44:324 (2) - just to mention when remapping all of these parts, make sure to add that circle, it is a good circle just map the pew pew pew with the sliders but im not remapping them
01:45:910 (6) - and just another idea maybe make this slower and then the next slider faster than usual why? it'll break consistency, and it look weird, whether it was a small or big sv change
02:01:776 (1) - you ignore sounds here i ignored it because it was the final note being played and i wanted to end the song with a unique and fast slider, which ends the song with a lot of emphasis.

i wont mod more because i think i gave u a lot of stuff to do already so i think ill leave it here, this map has potential and the song is great i would love to gd tbh go ahead! the more diffs the merrier

thanks for your mod but try to understand the mappers intentions behind things when it comes to mapping and placing notes for clickable emphasis.

tactical loli

55 posts

Joined July 2014

tactical loli 2017-06-17T14:51:58+00:00

this mod is for the Hard, also know im a beginners when it comes to modding still.

hard
00:26:728 (5,6,7) - start a new combo here
01:12:929 (2,3) - don't know if that intentional or not but that kinda disrupts flow there cause the note isnt snapped correctly
00:41:006 (6,7,1) - i wouldn't make a jump here when u don't rly do that anywhere else in the map. this would be okay though if in kiai an uses a few times over
01:07:833 (3,4,5) - new combo here
01:11:151 (5) - i would a repeat slider here but that only a suggestion

insane
00:09:276 (2) - this one just wierd an obstruct compared to the others
01:06:391 (4,5) - dont place the 5th note directly under the 4th, i have it shade a little behind the 4th
01:49:949 (1) - this is fine but people would like it if u did new combo to indicate that jump more, this applies for the rest of the times u did this as well in the kiai

00:22:833 (4,5,1) - why did u do this here but not 00:25:141 (4,5,1) - here

i like the mapping its not bad for a beginning mapper.

tatatat

905 posts

Joined March 2015

tatatat 2017-06-18T00:26:29+00:00

I think the difficulty jump from the normal to hard is too great, maybe consider adding a normal+ diff.
You may want to consider adding at least 1 more combo color, otherwise it seems kinda bland.
You might want to consider decreasing the hitsound volume in the uninherited timing section, otherwise it will be VERY loud for people playing your map autoconverted into Taiko. Don't forget to include the person who made the Soul's Insane into the tags.

yumichi

131 posts

Joined November 2014

yumichi 2017-06-19T02:31:29+00:00

gd~

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Avenging_Goose

14 posts

Joined February 2014

Avenging_Goose 2017-06-19T03:12:52+00:00

IRC

19:17 Avenging_Goose: what diff were you looking for mods on or just all of them
19:17 Avenging_Goose: ?
19:18 Einja: oh my
19:18 Einja: it's you
19:18 Einja: i perfer mods on the insane diffs
19:18 Avenging_Goose: ?
19:18 Einja: and the top
19:18 Einja: top diff
19:18 Avenging_Goose: ok
19:19 Einja: thanks!
19:20 Einja: we can irc mod if you want
19:20 Avenging_Goose: tbh im new to modding so what does irc mod mean?
19:20 Einja: modding right here
19:20 Einja: in chat
19:20 Avenging_Goose: ah
19:21 Einja: and you can do /savelog at the end of it
19:21 Einja: to post and get free kds
19:24 Avenging_Goose: 01:29:468 (9) - i think would look better and emphisize the vocal better if you rotate -36 degrees and move it to x=226 y=263
19:24 Avenging_Goose: i would recomend to adjust the following parttern acordingly
19:25 Einja: ehh
19:25 Einja: i rotated it
19:25 Einja: but if i put it at your coords
19:26 Einja: ugly overlap comes with the next note
19:26 Einja: so i rotated it and moved it down instead
19:33 Avenging_Goose: 00:48:939 (2,3) - 00:49:372 (4) - 00:49:804 (2,3) -
19:34 Avenging_Goose: all of these have changes is flow direction
19:35 Einja: 00:49:372 (4) - ctrl + g'd this
19:38 Avenging_Goose: if you ctl+g the slider, then maby rotate -90 and place under the head of 00:49:083 (3) -
19:39 Avenging_Goose: woops
19:39 Avenging_Goose: forgot to actually tell you what to move
19:39 Avenging_Goose: 00:49:660 (1,2) -
19:39 Einja: that'd ruin the the current aesthetics im using lol
19:39 Einja: oh
19:39 Avenging_Goose: tru
19:39 Avenging_Goose: idk i just see a bunch or seemingly random flow changes
19:41 Einja: tnj
19:41 Einja: tbh
19:42 Einja: i didn't think of flow at all when i started making this
19:42 Einja: just triangle grid jumps
19:44 Einja: and when you said you saw a lot of flow changes
19:44 Einja: please point out as many as you can find
19:45 Avenging_Goose: leme look
19:45 Avenging_Goose: 00:52:401 (3,4) -
19:46 Avenging_Goose: 00:53:987 (4,1) -
19:47 Avenging_Goose: 00:56:872 (2,3,4) -
19:51 Avenging_Goose: 01:40:429 (1,2) -
19:53 Avenging_Goose: 01:42:737 (1,2) - this one is maby not that big of a deal due to the low spacing but i would recoment ctl+g
19:54 Avenging_Goose: 01:46:199 (1,2,3) - i would suggest to carry the circular flow from the angled slider
19:56 Avenging_Goose: 01:51:679 (4,1) -
19:56 Avenging_Goose: 01:53:987 (4,1,2) -
19:57 Avenging_Goose: actually nvm that last one^
19:57 Einja: oh
19:57 Einja: was that all of them?
19:57 Einja: or most of them?
19:59 Avenging_Goose: all that i can find
19:59 Einja: aleight
19:59 Einja: alright
19:59 Einja: 00:52:401 (3,4) -
19:59 Einja: i don't think this is really flow breaking
20:01 Avenging_Goose: 00:51:968 (1,2,3) - these 3 are clockwise and on 4 it changes
20:02 Einja: counter clockwise*
20:02 Einja: it's a sharp angle turn after circle 4
20:02 Einja: so maybe ill keep it idk
20:11 Einja: alright
20:11 Einja: i fixed the rest of the issues
20:11 Avenging_Goose: as for gabypichu's insane
20:12 Einja: post this chat on forums pls
20:12 Avenging_Goose: oh ok
20:12 Einja: and mod the rest by replying
20:12 Einja: or you can irc with the gders
20:13 Avenging_Goose: oh ok

Kaifin

745 posts

Joined April 2013

Kaifin 2017-06-19T04:44:33+00:00

irc bancho please dont die

21:19 Einja: did i get scammed for a m4m
21:19 Kaifin: helo
21:19 Kaifin: no im going to mod ur map
21:19 Kaifin: lol
21:19 Kaifin: im just busy
21:19 Einja: oh
21:20 Kaifin: mb
21:20 Einja: but you were playing maps :thinking:
21:20 Kaifin: i was gonna do it today
21:20 Kaifin: yeah
21:20 Kaifin: im busy playing maps
21:20 Kaifin: i am a Player before a Mapper
21:20 Kaifin: i was playing a tourney earlier
21:21 Einja: honestly
21:21 Einja: fuck tourneys
21:21 Einja: because they interfere with my everyday life
21:21 Kaifin: lol really
21:55 Kaifin: hey do you wanna irc
21:55 Kaifin: instead of written mod
21:55 Kaifin: might be easier and faster
21:55 Einja: ok
21:55 Einja: irc is easier for me
21:55 Kaifin: oaky
21:55 Einja: but it's nearly midnight
21:55 Kaifin: i can be fast
21:55 Einja: be fast
21:55 Kaifin: when are you getting off?
21:56 Einja: 12:30
21:56 Kaifin: okay ezpz
21:56 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1310379 Elephante - Hold ft. Jessica Jarrell (Candyland Remix) [Easy]]
21:56 Kaifin: your easy is fucked
21:56 Einja: ok
21:56 Kaifin: i will be fast and blunt with you
21:56 Kaifin: 00:11:583 (1) - vs 00:20:814 (1) - why is there a difference in rhythm here
21:56 Kaifin: same thing in the song nothing to distinguish them
21:56 Einja: SHIT
21:57 Einja: forgot to change that
21:57 Kaifin: also those 2 sliders
21:57 Kaifin: really really BAD aesthetically
21:57 Kaifin: (i'm just trying to be fast so please dont take this as me like insulting you or ragging on you personally lol)
21:57 Einja: the ones you just mentioned?
21:57 Kaifin: cause im going to go through a lot really quickly
21:57 Kaifin: yes
21:57 Kaifin: 00:11:583 (1) -
21:57 Kaifin: make this like 00:11:583 (1) -
21:57 Kaifin: or 00:16:199 (1) -
21:58 Kaifin: it can't have a curve and also have a red point, at least not like that because its ugly as hell
21:58 Kaifin: 00:20:814 (1) -
21:58 Kaifin: this slider is salvageable with some adjustment
21:58 Einja: bruh slow down
21:58 Kaifin: but i'm assuming you're going to change it to match the rhythm
21:58 Einja: and i removed that 2/1 slider
21:59 Einja: ok
21:59 Einja: next'
21:59 Kaifin: flow
21:59 Kaifin: 00:11:583 (1,2,3) -
21:59 Kaifin: i'm seeing a theme of you doubling back on your slider flow
21:59 Kaifin: easy players dont like that it feels unintutive
21:59 Kaifin: they follow it all the way through
21:59 Einja: fixed
21:59 Kaifin: the zig zag from 1 - 2 -3
22:00 Kaifin: is a minor example but you will find major ones throughout your map
22:00 Kaifin: 00:13:891 (3,4,5,1) - this is good
22:00 Kaifin: cause its follows
22:00 Kaifin: 00:16:199 (1,2,3) -
22:00 Kaifin: this is REALLY bad cause you double back from 00:16:199 (1,2) -
22:00 Kaifin: then 00:17:929 (2,3) - you're coming into 00:18:506 (3) - at a different angle than the slider itself which both looks ugly and flows badly
22:01 Kaifin: example of this done correctly so that point hopefully makes sense:
22:01 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo652/fd607adce5.jpg
22:01 Kaifin: rather than the odd angle you have it at rn
22:01 Kaifin: 00:25:429 (1) -
22:01 Kaifin: avoid 45 degree angles
22:01 Kaifin: there is a reason that "slightly slanted" is a meme because 45 degree angles look like shit
22:02 Kaifin: unless they are given good context
22:02 Kaifin: this is not give good context
22:02 Kaifin: 00:27:737 (1) - good slider for half the slider
22:02 Einja: ok
22:02 Kaifin: then you do the red tick thing at the end and it ruins it
22:02 Kaifin: you should just smooth it out at the end
22:02 Einja: no room
22:02 Kaifin: or at least make the red tick in the middle of the curve
22:02 Kaifin: cause its off center rn
22:02 Einja: curved
22:03 Kaifin: you could do this too
22:03 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo69A/a1e318df55.jpg
22:03 Kaifin: its still a little ugly cause i didnt touch it up but something lik ehtat
22:03 Einja: ok
22:03 Einja: that's better
22:03 Kaifin: also, to snaps your slider ticks
22:03 Kaifin: if you aren't doing this you should
22:03 Kaifin: ctrl g your slider
22:03 Kaifin: then ctrl g it again
22:03 Kaifin: it snaps slider ticks to the grid
22:03 Kaifin: also dont use grid snap lol
22:04 Einja: yeah
22:04 Kaifin: 00:39:276 (1) - same as before
22:04 Kaifin: i'm guessing it goes without saying that this stuff is all same as before so don't miss any
22:05 Kaifin: so i wont point them out
22:05 Einja: aye
22:05 Kaifin: 00:41:583 (3,4) - doubleback flow again
22:05 Kaifin: 00:43:891 (1) - this slider is ok
22:05 Kaifin: i'd give this one an ok/10
22:05 Kaifin: i am pretty lax about sliders though so you might want to ask someone better at slider design
22:05 Kaifin: just a general point
22:05 Kaifin: 00:39:276 -
22:05 Kaifin: i know you're following the vocal here
22:06 Kaifin: but it sounds kinda weird having the repeat
22:06 Kaifin: not be on the blue tick
22:06 Einja: 00:41:006 (2,4) - im assuming i can overlap these
22:06 Einja: i don't think it should be on blue tick because i didn't use 1/4 at all in this diff
22:06 Kaifin: so ur bpm
22:06 Kaifin: is 104
22:06 Kaifin: doubled, thats 208
22:06 Kaifin: so you mapped this entire diff
22:07 Kaifin: in 208 bpm 2/1
22:07 Kaifin: 208 1/1***
22:07 Kaifin: errrrrr sorry i'm getting confused by myself
22:07 Kaifin: LOL
22:07 Einja: please don't
22:07 Kaifin: the point i'm trying ot make is
22:07 Einja: say it like that you're confusing me
22:07 Kaifin: blue tick = what the red tick usually would be
22:08 Kaifin: okay anyways
22:08 Kaifin: the simplification is probably fine but
22:08 Kaifin: just sounded a bit odd so i pointed it out
22:08 Einja: alright
22:08 Kaifin: 00:48:506 (1,2) -
22:08 Kaifin: vs v
22:08 Kaifin: 00:50:814 (3) -
22:08 Einja: uh oh
22:08 Kaifin: you immeditaely betray your own rhythm choice lol
22:09 Kaifin: o ok the whole sections rhythm is inconsistent
22:09 Kaifin: pick something
22:09 Kaifin: and use it the whole time
22:09 Kaifin: you can use a little variation but it has to be consistent
22:09 Einja: 00:50:814 (3,4,5) - i used this already for the whole kiai part
22:09 Einja: just not the beginning for some reason
22:10 Kaifin: ok then fix
22:10 Kaifin: idk why this shape looks so fucked 00:50:237 (2,3,4) -
22:10 Einja: i did
22:10 Kaifin: but it does
22:10 Kaifin: looks so off lol
22:10 Kaifin: like it looks like the DS is wrong but its not
22:10 Einja: uh
22:10 Einja: i don't see a shape there
22:11 Kaifin: thats something i was about to say as well
22:11 Kaifin: there are no patterns in this maps
22:11 Kaifin: map*
22:11 Kaifin: this diff*
22:11 Kaifin: just circles and sliders
22:11 Kaifin: you can't just place circles + sliders in a circular kind of motion all around the playfield for low diff, it's boring and dry
22:11 Kaifin: you need to make patterns still
22:11 Kaifin: if you're looking for solid easy diffs i'd look at some of your fav mappers ranked maps
22:11 Kaifin: interesting low diffs are like
22:11 Kaifin: Hollow Wings
22:12 Kaifin: really makes cool low diffs imo
22:12 Kaifin: 01:43:891 -
22:12 Kaifin: this section is the same as that one musically basically so
22:12 Kaifin: make sure whatever rhythm you use
22:12 Kaifin: is consistent
22:12 Kaifin: in some way
22:12 Einja: ok
22:12 Kaifin: i'm moving up and on so we can spend our time not all on easy
22:12 Kaifin: but i'm sure you have a lot to keep in mind now?
22:13 Einja: yeah
22:13 Einja: but what did you mean by "patterns"
22:13 Kaifin: did you watch the new pishi vid today
22:13 Einja: like what kind can i create
22:13 Kaifin: let me show you an example
22:13 Einja: no
22:13 Kaifin: okokok i'll link you that AFTER
22:13 Kaifin: the mod
22:13 Einja: ok
22:13 Einja: go on
22:13 Kaifin: cause i need to see the rest of the diffs before seeing if its applicable
22:14 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/465106 ESTi - HELIX (Edit ver.) [Standard]]
22:14 Kaifin: the flow is a little looser cause this is a normal but
22:14 Kaifin: this is what i meant when i said cool low diffs by hollow wings
22:14 Kaifin: highly strucutred mappers also do good patterns
22:15 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/965359 EYKHA (CV : Sawashiro Miyuki) LOU (CV : Uchida Maaya) MERYL (CV : Terui Haruka) - Delta Decision [alacat's Easy]]
22:15 Kaifin: look how not boring this map manages to be
22:15 Kaifin: despite being mostly incredibly long 2/1 sliders
22:15 Kaifin: 00:23:829 -
22:15 Kaifin: pattern alert
22:15 Kaifin: not everything needs to be so blatant tho
22:15 Kaifin: even stuff like this 00:54:964 (1,2,3,4,1) -
22:16 Einja: alright
22:16 Kaifin: is a great simple pattern
22:16 Kaifin: you dont have to go CRAZY SYMMETRICAL WO
22:16 Kaifin: or DAM COOL SLIDER
22:16 Kaifin: you just need to make very basic cute patterns
22:16 Kaifin: like that one
22:16 Einja: ok
22:16 Einja: i think im getting it now
22:16 Kaifin: also beginner players like shapes
22:16 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1213580 Sota Fujimori - polygon [Normal]]
22:16 Kaifin: 00:14:117 -
22:17 Kaifin: 00:14:117 (1,2,3,4,5) - triangle relates these two objects
22:17 Kaifin: 00:15:841 (5,6,1) -
22:17 Kaifin: all the same angle + parallel
22:17 Einja: yes
22:17 Kaifin: etc
22:17 Einja: how would you map the map im currently mapping
22:17 Kaifin: even simple shit like 00:22:392 (1,2,3) -
22:17 Kaifin: what do you mean?
22:17 Kaifin: rhythm wise?
22:17 Kaifin: or pattern wise?
22:17 Einja: yes
22:17 Einja: pattern
22:17 Kaifin: yes
22:17 Einja: because that's what you're mostly talkign about
22:18 Kaifin: pattern is all your imagination
22:18 Einja: my rhythm feeling a bit consistent now that i fixed it
22:18 Kaifin: i can't make pattern for you because i am not mappign the song
22:18 Kaifin: you use consistent rhythm that makes sense, then you use patterns to make it interesting
22:18 Kaifin: in low diff
22:18 Kaifin: coonsistent very very basic rhythm
22:21 Kaifin: okay test
22:21 Kaifin: test
22:21 Kaifin: bancho is back ba y be e e
22:21 Einja: we back
22:21 Kaifin: we back
22:22 Kaifin: ok so your top diff is lik
22:22 Kaifin: a bit better
22:22 Einja: "a bit"
22:22 Einja: ego boost
22:22 Kaifin: have you seen vinxis' map of this song
22:23 Einja: no
22:23 Einja: only ohads
22:23 Kaifin: lol ohad
22:23 Kaifin: thats not mapping
22:23 Kaifin: anyways
22:23 Kaifin: he has a map of this song
22:23 Kaifin: i recommend you look at it
22:23 Kaifin: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/555402
22:23 Kaifin: i'll briefly touch on flow in this diff i guess
22:23 Einja: i don't see it on his profile
22:23 Kaifin: 00:44:901 (8,1) -
22:23 Kaifin: this kind of motion betrays your circular flow
22:24 Kaifin: do you know what i mean by that
22:24 Einja: because it's a different rhythm
22:24 Einja: and it builds up
22:24 Kaifin: no
22:24 Kaifin: not at all
22:24 Kaifin: i'm purely talking about object placement
22:25 Kaifin: 00:43:891 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
22:25 Kaifin: the motion you make to hit all 8 of these notes
22:25 Einja: wait
22:25 Einja: which map are we talking about
22:25 *Kaifin is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1306725 Elephante - Hold ft. Jessica Jarrell (Candyland Remix) [Don't let go]]
22:25 Kaifin: your map
22:25 Kaifin: 00:43:891 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
22:25 Einja: oh
22:25 Kaifin: the motion you make to hit all 8 of these notes
22:25 Kaifin: is a counterclockwise circle
22:25 Kaifin: its "circular flow"
22:25 Kaifin: which is widely accepted as comfortable
22:26 Kaifin: generally when people say good floow
22:26 Kaifin: or a player is like wow this map FLOWS COOL
22:26 Einja: 00:44:612 (6,1) - stacked slider 1 tail
22:26 Einja: with circle 6
22:26 Einja: if that's okay
22:26 Kaifin: its cause its just circular flow jumps
22:26 Kaifin: ya
22:26 Kaifin: thats fine
22:26 Kaifin: except the placement of 00:45:045 (1) -
22:26 Kaifin: breaks the flow
22:26 Kaifin: and not in a good way
22:26 Einja: alright
22:26 Kaifin: sometimes its good to break flow and switch direction if you do it properly
22:26 Kaifin: look at 00:44:901 (8,1) -
22:26 Kaifin: more specifically, look at 00:44:612 (6,7,8,1) -
22:27 Kaifin: from 6 to 7 to 8 is a clean smooth motion
22:27 Kaifin: then there is the sort of awkward transition to 1
22:27 Kaifin: try mousing over the notes like in circles while the map plays to see what i mean
22:28 Einja: something like this
22:28 Einja: hold on
22:28 Einja: http://prntscr.com/flf7l2
22:28 Kaifin: i'm not saying to use this pattern exactly but heres an example of what continuing the circle would look like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8382408
22:28 Kaifin: no thats just as awkward
22:28 Kaifin: if not more awkward
22:28 Kaifin: think in circles
22:28 Kaifin: sec i'll draw it out
22:29 Einja: http://prntscr.com/flf7v5
22:29 Einja: better?
22:30 Kaifin: i drew it out
22:30 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo7an/34627d6b34.jpg
22:30 Kaifin: do you understand the concept
22:31 Kaifin: oh let me make a follow up pic
22:31 Kaifin: too
22:31 Einja: ah
22:31 Einja: you drew that really fast
22:32 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo7dC/1c65f47a62.jpg
22:32 Kaifin: possible circle placement
22:32 Kaifin: the SLIDER FLOW
22:32 Kaifin: is the more important bit
22:32 Kaifin: because the slider determines how the player will approach the circle
22:32 Einja: hmm
22:32 Kaifin: and will guide them along your circular path
22:32 Einja: i don't think the possible circle is needed
22:32 Einja: just the slider needs to be reworked
22:32 Kaifin: well
22:32 Kaifin: its placement is also kind of awkward
22:33 Kaifin: cause you build up the circular flow by 8 notes
22:33 Kaifin: then the pay off isn't good
22:33 Kaifin: 00:45:045 (1) - this shoudl be the FURTHEST spacing
22:33 Kaifin: like you could do this
22:33 Einja: yeah
22:33 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo7i2/48e8002525.jpg
22:33 Einja: i just did that
22:33 Kaifin: lol gg
22:34 Kaifin: same idea here
22:34 Kaifin: 00:47:064 (7,8,9,1) -
22:35 Kaifin: now that you understand, do you know why its an issue here?
22:35 Kaifin: its different from circular since these are like zig zags not a circle
22:37 Kaifin: ?!
22:37 Kaifin: okay u took too long its cause of the slider flow
22:37 Kaifin: 00:47:208 (8,9) -
22:37 Einja: yeah
22:37 Einja: im fixing it rn
22:37 Kaifin: on this stack you stop
22:37 Kaifin: and then resume motion with 100:47:353 (1) -
22:38 Kaifin: which is awkward cause it doesnt follow the same flow
22:38 Kaifin: a simple fix is just diong this
22:38 Kaifin: http://puu.sh/wo7sS/8ee51839dd.jpg
22:38 Kaifin: 00:53:987 (4,1) -
22:38 Kaifin: another example of a section with huge emphasis on circular flow that abandons it at random
22:38 Kaifin: 01:12:929 (2) - too long slider
22:39 Kaifin: 01:17:545 (2) -
22:39 Kaifin: same
22:39 Kaifin: no reason to do these snaps
22:39 Einja: ok
22:39 Kaifin: it sounds like they're unsnapped
22:39 Einja: 00:53:987 (4,1) -
22:40 Einja: any way to fix this without messing up the rest of the jump patterns?
22:40 Kaifin: if u wanna switch directions here just move 1 down a bit
22:40 Kaifin: like http://puu.sh/wo7yf/91b5e0f794.jpg
22:41 Einja: ok
22:41 Kaifin: y do you do nearly linear flow like 00:57:737 (1,2,3) -
22:41 Kaifin: so awkward
22:41 Kaifin: the zig zag needs to be more angled
22:41 Kaifin: so that its not awkward
22:41 Kaifin: you want it 2 be snappy in patterns like this not smooth
22:43 Kaifin: theres a lot but i dont want to go through every detail
22:43 Kaifin: you now know new things
22:43 Einja: yes
22:44 Kaifin: and should look at ur map and be lik how do i apply these new things

Sotarks

3,493 posts

Joined May 2014

Sotarks 2017-06-19T19:05:23+00:00

[general]
overall the hitsounds feels really underdone, polish them more and maybe add custom ones, and please add a muted slider slide aaaa

[last diff]
00:17:497 - don't skip the vocals here, it should've been mapped

00:17:929 (6) - 280|192 better visuals

00:22:545 (8) - why are you skipping vocals here ?

00:27:881 (1) - pretty random spinner, nothing to emphasis here, just map it normaly with objects.

00:36:391 (7) - can you maybe make that shape ending more round ?

00:47:353 (1,2) - make those circles, too keep the constant build up you're trying to do

01:13:891 - map smth here

01:26:872 (8,9) - this and 01:29:179 (8,9) - hasn't got same spacing which is weird since it's the same voice pattern.

01:31:054 (4,5) - you didn't stack it here but you did 00:35:670 (4,5) - here, consistency ? choose one

01:31:776 (7) - same make this curve more polished

01:42:737 (1,2) - make those 2 circles ?

01:47:930 (5,6,7) - 154|130 better visuals

overall i really feel like this diff has spacing issues, and sometimes you don't know what to follow voice or rhythms,which makes the consistency a bit weird..

[GabyPichu]
00:36:968 (1) - offscreen xd

00:57:737 (2) - x208|y79 better visuals, i know you start all those beats on that red dot xd so 00:56:872 (6) - move this one above to fit the concept!

00:50:237 (6,1) - i really think you should mute those sliders, feels so bad to hear the endings
00:52:545 (7,1) - ^
00:54:853 (7,1) - ^
00:59:468 (7,1) - ^
ect ect ect

01:09:276 (1) - stack slightly off, also unrankable because start beggins on ending xd

really good diff, i like the concepts of that red dot xD

[Soul]
00:20:526 (4,5) - stack them

00:47:785 (5) - don't end the slider end on a downbeat aa

zzzz i'm really lazy to mod this diff, there's like SO MANY ISSUES on everything..
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pretty sure that top diff and soul's diff needs more work before pushing this forward tbh
gabypichu's is good to go tho.
gl

Einja

652 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Einja 2017-06-19T20:31:30+00:00

Sotarks wrote:
[general]
overall the hitsounds feels really underdone, polish them more and maybe add custom ones, and please add a muted slider slide aaaa hitsounding is wip aaaaa

[last diff]
00:17:497 - don't skip the vocals here, it should've been mapped

00:17:929 (6) - 280|192 better visuals not really, it destroys the blanket it currently has. readjusted it a little though

00:22:545 (8) - why are you skipping vocals here ? vocals are 1 word, and the drumbeat stands out more, but since they're both on the same beat, i choose to emphasize drums and lyrics with a 1/2 slider, which is fine to me

00:27:881 (1) - pretty random spinner, nothing to emphasis here, just map it normaly with objects. lyrics end there, and builds up for the next part

00:36:391 (7) - can you maybe make that shape ending more round ? sure

00:47:353 (1,2) - make those circles, too keep the constant build up you're trying to do it'll break the flow im currently using

01:13:891 - map smth here nothing here tho

01:26:872 (8,9) - this and 01:29:179 (8,9) - hasn't got same spacing which is weird since it's the same voice pattern. nudged the sliders around alittle, it's not that big of a difference, since it still gives proper anticlockwise flow

01:31:054 (4,5) - you didn't stack it here but you did 00:35:670 (4,5) - here, consistency ? choose one i choose no stack

01:31:776 (7) - same make this curve more polished ok

01:42:737 (1,2) - make those 2 circles ? rip current flow then

01:47:930 (5,6,7) - 154|130 better visuals sure

overall i really feel like this diff has spacing issues, and sometimes you don't know what to follow voice or rhythms,which makes the consistency a bit weird..
honestly, the spacing doesn't matter as much in top diffs unless you're trying to make jumps n' stuff. and i can kinda agree with the emphasis on either rhythms/vocals. ill polish up the emphasis, but the spacings okay to me imo.
gl

thank you!!

yumichi

131 posts

Joined November 2014

yumichi 2017-06-20T02:08:53+00:00

[quote="Sotarks"][general]
overall the hitsounds feels really underdone, polish them more and maybe add custom ones, and please add a muted slider slide aaaa

[GabyPichu]
00:36:968 (1) - offscreen xd fixed

00:57:737 (2) - x208|y79 better visuals, i know you start all those beats on that red dot xd so 00:56:872 (6) - move this one above to fit the concept! 00:57:449 (1) - moved this up a little bit
00:50:237 (6,1) - i really think you should mute those sliders, feels so bad to hear the endings yep will do
00:52:545 (7,1) - ^
00:54:853 (7,1) - ^
00:59:468 (7,1) - ^
ect ect ect

01:09:276 (1) - stack slightly off, also unrankable because start beggins on ending xd yep

really good diff, i like the concepts of that red dot xD thanks!

yumichi

131 posts

Joined November 2014

yumichi 2017-06-20T02:10:42+00:00

GD update~

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Mentai 2017-06-21T03:35:14+00:00

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Osuology

528 posts

Joined February 2014

Osuology 2017-06-21T20:56:17+00:00

here is de m4m ok

[never let go]
00:13:747 (6,1,2) - The visual distance between 6-1 and 1-2 is almost the same, yet in actual time they are completely different. I don't really think you intended to have variable spacing for time. I understand distance between 6-1, but 1-2 is undeserved if you are going with solid spacing, (which you seem like you are).

In case you don't know what flow is, it just means the ideal way to play a pattern. Clockwise means you could play it by going in a circular motion clockwise, linear means in a line, etc.
Also, the map doesn't seem to have any structural flow in it, 00:11:583 (1,2,3) - this is clockwise flow, but after three you go back to counter clockwise and linear is thrown in there... it makes the map play more sloppy. In the case that you didn't want to emphasize flow with this map and rather went for distance spacing and blankets, that's fine, no need to remap at all. But please keep it in mind for future maps.

00:21:968 (6,7) - Watch the distance closely man, stuff like this looks unpolished. Distance is too big for a note that shouldn't be that emphasized.

00:35:814 (5,6) - ^ just look for these, I won't list the rest of them.

During the first drop, your prettiness/subjective aesthetics kick in everywhere but as a contrast patterning/objective aesthetics is almost non existent. 00:59:179 (2,3,4,5,6) - I mean this is basically a deformed ugly star that you use nowhere else in the drop. Such variation in patterns doesn't look well and makes it look absurdly out of place.

01:08:699 (4,5) - Voice is off here??? seems like it fits on 1/8 but that's weird

As a side note, slider shapes seem to be changed randomly and that's about it. Most of these issues repeat throughout the map so watch out for them.

[Soul's Insane]
00:11:295 (4,1) - The 4 ends it's repeat in a direction contrary to the flow direction towards 1. This makes it feel stressful in addition to the overlap which is a contrast to the beautiful sliders that were separate from each other you had before. I personally would recommend ctrl+g on the 4 and 1 further from 4.

In case you don't know what flow is, it just means the ideal way to play a pattern. Clockwise means you could play it by going in a circular motion clockwise, linear means in a line, etc.
00:11:583 (1,2,3) - Flow is not structured in any way that I can see, making the map chaotic for a section that's relatively calm.

00:13:314 (4) - Straight slider??? Why?
There's no set pattern to your slider shapes which can be fine but considering that so much stuff about your map is chaotic it creates a wild unbalance.

00:44:468 (1) - Why NC? doesn't make any sense there's nothing I see that you would want to separate here.
00:47:064 (1) - ^

00:48:506 (1) - Almost no patterning in the drop at all, making this even more of a chaotic map. Everything seems unrelated to each other, 00:48:506 (1,2,3,4) - this is a pattern or whatever. I see this nowhere else in this drop, making it an alienated pattern that doesn't belong.

01:43:314 (1,1) - No jump?

Ultimately, these issues are repeated throughout the map and sadly, this probably means a remap if you want to fix this things. If you decide to remap, please keep this one backed up in case you wanna look back.

[Hard]
00:11:583 (1) - High SV in the intro of a hard is absurdity. It completely is unfitted to this section and should be lower. Use a green line to lower it.

00:27:449 (1) - NC? Why?

Same flow issues as with your top diff and other than that not much.

Lower diffs also have flow issues but not much else. Good luck with this set!

Einja

652 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Einja 2017-06-21T23:43:54+00:00

Osuology wrote:
here is de m4m ok

[never let go]
00:13:747 (6,1,2) - The visual distance between 6-1 and 1-2 is almost the same, yet in actual time they are completely different. I don't really think you intended to have variable spacing for time. I understand distance between 6-1, but 1-2 is undeserved if you are going with solid spacing, (which you seem like you are). ds between 1-2 is farther because it's a 1/2 gap. 6-1 have a 1/4 gap, which i closed in a little

In case you don't know what flow is, it just means the ideal way to play a pattern. Clockwise means you could play it by going in a circular motion clockwise, linear means in a line, etc.
Also, the map doesn't seem to have any structural flow in it, 00:11:583 (1,2,3) - this is clockwise flow, but after three you go back to counter clockwise and linear is thrown in there... it makes the map play more sloppy. In the case that you didn't want to emphasize flow with this map and rather went for distance spacing and blankets, that's fine, no need to remap at all. But please keep it in mind for future maps. yeah.. when i started this project,
all i thought of was ds for the calm parts lol. but i think it's okay since that part is so slow.

00:21:968 (6,7) - Watch the distance closely man, stuff like this looks unpolished. Distance is too big for a note that shouldn't be that emphasized.

00:35:814 (5,6) - ^ just look for these, I won't list the rest of them. ds here is okay to me, since i use ds to build up the finish towards a break part.

During the first drop, your prettiness/subjective aesthetics kick in everywhere but as a contrast patterning/objective aesthetics is almost non existent. 00:59:179 (2,3,4,5,6) - I mean this is basically a deformed ugly star that you use nowhere else in the drop. Such variation in patterns doesn't look well and makes it look absurdly out of place. if you play this in a game, it won't look like a star to most people. most jumps don't really have a pattern other than clock/counter clockwise flow in the map.

01:08:699 (4,5) - Voice is off here??? seems like it fits on 1/8 but that's weird lol where do you hear 1/8

As a side note, slider shapes seem to be changed randomly and that's about it. Most of these issues repeat throughout the map so watch out for them. idk what you are talking about with different slider shapes, but ill look into it.

[Hard]
00:11:583 (1) - High SV in the intro of a hard is absurdity. It completely is unfitted to this section and should be lower. Use a green line to lower it.

00:27:449 (1) - NC? Why?

Same flow issues as with your top diff and other than that not much.
dude, i am so sorry about this diff, i told mentai to make another one since it was total crap to me. ;-;
Lower diffs also have flow issues but not much else. Good luck with this set!

okie, thanks for the mod! ill look into unintentional flow changes in the kiai parts.

Osuology

528 posts

Joined February 2014

Osuology 2017-06-22T03:38:37+00:00

Einja wrote:
Osuology wrote:
here is de m4m ok

[never let go]
During the first drop, your prettiness/subjective aesthetics kick in everywhere but as a contrast patterning/objective aesthetics is almost non existent. 00:59:179 (2,3,4,5,6) - I mean this is basically a deformed ugly star that you use nowhere else in the drop. Such variation in patterns doesn't look well and makes it look absurdly out of place. if you play this in a game, it won't look like a star to most people. most jumps don't really have a pattern other than clock/counter clockwise flow in the map. The problem is not that it doesn't look like a star, the problem is that to our human brains,
there's no identifiable patterns in the map which can add a lot of chaos to your map. It would be fine if you knew how to balance chaos and orderly stuff, but from what I can tell, you are a fairly inexperienced mapper, and it's best to stick what's basic as a newish mapper.

Keiger

323 posts

Joined December 2016

Keiger 2017-06-22T17:26:50+00:00

My GD (highest Star map in the map set)(always wanted one of my maps in a ranked or loved mapset)(Btw, jumps, a lot of jumps, lol.)

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Einja

652 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Einja 2017-06-22T18:41:43+00:00

ItsSurreal wrote:

My GD (highest Star map in the map set)(always wanted one of my maps in a ranked or loved mapset)(Btw, jumps, a lot of jumps, lol.)

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lol when did I ask you for a GD? I'm gonna add it, but it won't get mods

Keiger

323 posts

Joined December 2016

Keiger 2017-06-23T02:17:36+00:00

lol
sry, forgot to ask you

no problem though

VINXIS

Featured Artist

3,161 posts

Joined April 2014

VINXIS 2017-06-25T02:44:26+00:00

ohads version is gay

yumichi

131 posts

Joined November 2014

yumichi 2017-07-02T07:31:36+00:00

1 slider art update (ノ*゜▽゜*)

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silvershell

81 posts

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silvershell 2017-08-27T20:19:58+00:00

pls rank this! :<

sleepy kira

64 posts

Joined April 2016

sleepy kira 2017-08-30T18:04:20+00:00

This isn't a mod or anything, but PLEASE go for ranked!

This mapset is awesome!

XevUniverse

5 posts

Joined September 2015

XevUniverse 2017-12-26T02:28:52+00:00

I love this map
R a n k i t

Danon007

1 post

Joined December 2017

Danon007 2018-05-24T22:10:22+00:00

why this map still not ranked??

BanchoBot

w00t p00t

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Here since the beginning

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