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Seijiro

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Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-08-23T11:42:19+00:00

look, it's Chino!
A, wait...

Greetings = )
I hope you don't mind if we stall this for a little while longer...

Sweet Sweet Potato ~~Chino~~ Angle (nailed it):

not something big and it's not even a reason to pop here, but since we're at it you might as well silence all those unused slider ends: 00:16:549 (1) - 00:06:437 (1,1) - 00:28:347 (6) - (even more when you use drum sampleset). These are not that disturbing with default skin/hitsounds, but it becomes kinda messy with those ping pong sounds and all, so I'd rather not have them around like that =3=
here's the real deal tho: rhythm.
1. In many occasions I saw rhythms that, imo, are kinda questionable given the song. For example let's take the first kiai and check all the sliders, which are the main culprit for my so called awkward rhythms: 01:01:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 01:03:740 (1,2,3,4,5) - , these two combos are covering an identical rhythm in the song, and I believe we can both agree with that, right? Now... my concern here is how come this happens if the rhythm is the same in such a short amount of time?
  Yes, the sliders were supposed to fall on the the chorus saying "hime!" but I personally find it not so fitting as a pattern (mostly because of the emphasis these sliders gain on the tail, which is a non-click note) (as a sort of input, take 01:14:526 - , I would have made something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8914231 but i do agree this may be personal choice here)
2. Let's take another example now: 01:56:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 00:43:347 (1,2,3,4,5) - . I personally find the first one kinda plain and not representing the song that well, while the second one has quite a big spacing in comparison which again doesn't seem like a good fit imo (I refer to the comparison and consistency between the two. Spacing for that part doesn't seem that bad anyway).
3. Last example I make here, which is on a smaller scale than the others: 02:04:920 (4) - vs 02:05:257 (5) - . You might wonder why I picked two objects near to each other, but that's the point: those are not similar at all in the song...
  The first one has a finish as hitsound + it covers a strong vocal in the song (and it's perfectly fine), the other one has no hitsound at all, the strong beat is on the tail and the head is using a filler note to keep the 1/2 constant. The quickest solution would be to just split 5 into two circles, with a bigger jump on 02:05:425 - and that's it. (visual possibility)
strongly related to rhythm, song expression:
1. some parts give me the impression they were kinda ignoring what the song was offering there: 00:20:594 (1,2,3,4,5) - these for example, in particular sliders again. If you follow drums, 4 would have worked better with circles, if you followed vocals 5 should have been an extended slider (assuming you want this much expression in the map, but it doesn't seem like a bad thing to have lol).
2. Also the second kiai feels reeeeaaaally out of the loop. It is characterized by a whole part of 1/2 vocals, which you went ahead and mapped as the first kiai :/
  02:19:246 - 02:24:639 - this is the section in question. I probably don't need to make an analysis since it feels kinda obvious (if it's not, just tell me and I can do it) // 03:29:359 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - same thing here
3. Last example here: 03:07:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
  This might really be personal, so I'm not considering this really part of the pop, although it's really similar in skipping important details in the song as the examples above, so you should give it a read anyway.
  Not sure if you noticed the peculiarity of this part on 03:08:122 (2) - 03:08:796 (6) - 03:10:144 (6) - 03:10:482 (1) - , but those would have made a really better impression as sliders because of their finish hitsound on them. You did this plenty in previous parts and I find it fitting to represent the finish's reverb with a slider, it's just that you do this inconsistently here. This would really improve song expression, but it's not a necessity, I agree on that.
03:48:234 - you could reduce volume from here, maybe around 30%? See what better fits your tastes
pacing sometimes goes on its own and changes, leaving the song behind itself: the spacing increase for 02:54:807 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:55:987 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - seems kinda un-warranted if we check 02:50:425 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - and we consider the song didn't change in intensity later on
prolly last point, but if you fix rhythm and expression emphasis becomes a natural consequence I believe:
02:13:852 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is the only example I bring up, but you can notice this happening everywhere, more or less. Not sure this is as obvious as I believe it is, but if you notice, this whole pattern is just a giant circling ccw, with rather similar spacings which are not able to describe much about the song.
I do understand this song doesn't offer such depth, but having everything pretty much similar to anything else becomes a bit too bland lol

Curi:

silence unused slider tails too if you can =3= 01:41:156 (6) - 00:28:347 (7) - 02:48:066 (2) -
some parts can use a better rhythm: 00:49:414 (3) - into circles to catch the strong beat on the tail; 00:11:661 (2) - if the tail needs such a strong hitsound, wouldn't it be better to make it clickable? ; 00:20:931 (2,3) - 3 would work better as circles, considering both vocals and drums play 1/2 sounds there; 01:40:482 (2) - circles too?; 03:22:953 (2) - circles too
it would be cool if you avoided breaking the time-distance equality rule in sporadic places, since you surely didn't use that as the theme of your map: 02:00:706 (2,3,4) - 02:38:796 (2,3,4) - 02:41:493 (2,3,4) - (I mean, you can just Ctrl G 3-4 and that's it so why not lol)
02:21:942 (1) - soft finish; 02:22:448 (2) - why is my soft whistle not there, aaaa (use the default soft whistle please)
03:07:785 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - as your mapset's owner, you ignored greatly those nice finishers in the song. You could have used higher spacing on the finishers and smaller on the ones without a finish instead of a plain jump spam like that =w="
03:32:055 (1) - soft finish and 03:32:560 (2) - soft default whistle, zzz
there is a huge lack of variation in your SV choice: to prove that, your whole map has the same SV multiplier (or almost. The x1.10 ones make no difference at all lol), which seems really awkward when we go check parts that should be different, like 01:30:706 - 01:41:493 - (slower than base SV) // 00:12:504 - 00:16:549 - (faster than base SV) // 00:39:470 - 00:47:560 - (slower than base SV) and so on... I believe you can hear them too (they just repeat over and over).
Kiai times could benefit from slightly faster SV too.

Pata-mon:

01:06:100 (1) - wild NC appears
01:16:886 (1) - I mean, I an see they are consistent and on what they fall, but are they so necessary? lol
On second thought, they are not such a big deal tbh. Keep them if you want, but I'd personally remove them

joker:

03:11:324 (3) - it would be cool to just use a circle at 03:11:493 -
03:46:212 (2,3) - rhythm works better if you Ctrl G them
03:52:953 (6,7) - kinda dense for the soft outro. Delete 7 and make 6 a 1/1 slider

whoever did hitsounds:

03:32:055 - default soft finish instead works better
03:32:560 - soft default whistle works better
03:48:234 - make hitsounds volume reduced by a fair amount to contrast the kiai time. Averagely, 30-40% is good to go
I get the feeling I am missing others too, but can't find them @.@

Those 1/2 on the Easy tilt me, but they "shouldn't" be too hard.. I guess...

Tbh, best diffs are Insane and Hard. I suggest taking a look at the points I brought up and compare them with those diffs.
Let me know if there's something not clear.

I won't rebubble, but I also won't hold up any veto if bolded things get fixed

Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2017-08-23T11:50:43+00:00

@MrSergio
Ahh, I am not really sure that if you suggested me to remove the nc or the stack?
I think I won't remove the stack but I may remove the NC. In fact I just added these NC before bubble, because I think nc would help players to read the 1/1 gap and 1/2 gap, but I'm not really sure lol

Seijiro

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3,438 posts

Joined April 2013

Seijiro 2017-08-23T14:15:58+00:00

It was NCs lol.
It's minor tho, dw

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Eir_DELETED 2017-08-23T15:56:21+00:00

@MrSergio
I wanna keep your second suggestion since they are consistent stuffs with 01:23:291 (2,3) - and 02:36:100 (2,3) - ,plus the rhythm doesn't suit my preference.
Rest is fixed like your mod. Thanks for checking!

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Reillia

1,162 posts

Joined August 2014

Reillia 2017-08-24T08:54:02+00:00

@MrSergio 00:20:931 (2,3) - 01:40:482 (2) - i want to catch only vocal with slider :p
other things are fix! thx for mod

asd

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Left

2,156 posts

Joined October 2014

Left 2017-08-24T09:50:55+00:00

did self visual fix and some pattern fix

http://puu.sh/xihAh/d1d485d754.zip
in case sahu lost fle

Last edited by Left 2017-08-25T03:38:01+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Pata-Mon

1,489 posts

Joined March 2015

Pata-Mon 2017-08-24T12:06:45+00:00

OK, I remove them for now. Thanks for mod!

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TitleUnicode:恋のヒメヒメぺったんこ
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sahuang

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sahuang 2017-08-27T12:40:34+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
look, it's Chino!

Sweet Sweet Potato ~~Chino~~ Angle (nailed it):
Silenced all the sider tails that are supposed to be silenced.
here's the real deal tho: rhythm.

In many occasions I saw rhythms that, imo, are kinda questionable given the song. For example let's take the first kiai and check all the sliders, which are the main culprit for my so called awkward rhythms: 01:01:043 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 01:03:740 (1,2,3,4,5) - , these two combos are covering an identical rhythm in the song, and I believe we can both agree with that, right? Now... my concern here is how come this happens if the rhythm is the same in such a short amount of time?
Yes, the sliders were supposed to fall on the the chorus saying "hime!" but I personally find it not so fitting as a pattern (mostly because of the emphasis these sliders gain on the tail, which is a non-click note) (as a sort of input, take 01:14:526 - , I would have made something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/8914231 but i do agree this may be personal choice here)
The song's kiai has pretty simple rhythm, some chorus repeats for many times. However, I don't think it's a good idea to repete my rhythm choice and make similar object placements. By object placement i mean circle/slider order and for each 1/2 use the same pattern. When I am mapping this part I not only concern about the rhythm(clickable etc as you've mentioned),but also how well it fits the intensity of the music. Using your implementation, i can only see at least 24 circles in a row, which means players need to click at least this many times in a row. This is not what i want given this super kawai music. I make sure slider are inserted properly so that players are having some fun rather than so much pain to jump.
Let's take another example now: 01:56:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - vs 00:43:347 (1,2,3,4,5) - . I personally find the first one kinda plain and not representing the song that well, while the second one has quite a big spacing in comparison which again doesn't seem like a good fit imo (I refer to the comparison and consistency between the two. Spacing for that part doesn't seem that bad anyway).
This makes some sense. tbh when im mapping i clearly know what im doing, i.e. the music is quite same but i used different patterns.(otherwise id just copy paste lol) I think 01:56:156 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - represents music pretty well so i changed the one 00:43:347 (1,2,3,4,5) - to the first one, given 00:44:526 - has a really strong downbeat
Last example I make here, which is on a smaller scale than the others: 02:04:920 (4) - vs 02:05:257 (5) - . You might wonder why I picked two objects near to each other, but that's the point: those are not similar at all in the song...
The first one has a finish as hitsound + it covers a strong vocal in the song (and it's perfectly fine), the other one has no hitsound at all, the strong beat is on the tail and the head is using a filler note to keep the 1/2 constant. The quickest solution would be to just split 5 into two circles, with a bigger jump on 02:05:425 - and that's it. This is valid, i will change.
strongly related to rhythm, song expression:
some parts give me the impression they were kinda ignoring what the song was offering there: 00:20:594 (1,2,3,4,5) - these for example, in particular sliders again. If you follow drums, 4 would have worked better with circles, if you followed vocals 5 should have been an extended slider (assuming you want this much expression in the map, but it doesn't seem like a bad thing to have lol).
00:20:931 (3,4,5) - i actually like this. Some people weigh pattern more than rhythm while some people don't. Especially when its in cases like this: there are vocals on those 3 sliders(6 beats) and they are kinda identical, so its fine imo to put 3 sliders. simple makes perfect.
Also the second kiai feels reeeeaaaally out of the loop. It is characterized by a whole part of 1/2 vocals, which you went ahead and mapped as the first kiai :/
02:19:246 - 02:24:639 - this is the section in question. I probably don't need to make an analysis since it feels kinda obvious (if it's not, just tell me and I can do it) // 03:29:359 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - same thing here
I dont really agree here. I know the song is different(the kiai to be more exact) so i make 2 kiais different here.
01:06:437 (1,2,3) - used a slider because it's not 1/2 spam
01:07:616 (1) - long vocal so 1/1
02:19:246 (1,2,3,4) - many vocals so circles
02:20:257 (6,1,2,3) - didnt use 1/1 as well, so many vocal
03:29:359 (1,2,3,4) - etc same for third kiai
As you can see im always mapping towards music. Because im afraid i will make it too hard(tbh its not, i always dunno how to overmap jumps lol) i tried combinations of sliders/circles.
Last example here: 03:07:785 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6) -
This might really be personal, so I'm not considering this really part of the pop, although it's really similar in skipping important details in the song as the examples above, so you should give it a read anyway.
Not sure if you noticed the peculiarity of this part on 03:08:122 (2) - 03:08:796 (6) - 03:10:144 (6) - 03:10:482 (1) - , but those would have made a really better impression as sliders because of their finish hitsound on them. You did this plenty in previous parts and I find it fitting to represent the finish's reverb with a slider, it's just that you do this inconsistently here. This would really improve song expression, but it's not a necessity, I agree on that.
This is the most intense part in the map tbh, listen to the bg music. It would be fine if i just make everything circles, but i want to make it easier. 03:08:122 (2,6) - etc they are downbeats so i intentionally make them separate more with previous object.
03:48:234 - you could reduce volume from here, maybe around 30%? See what better fits your tastes alright 40%
pacing sometimes goes on its own and changes, leaving the song behind itself: the spacing increase for 02:54:807 (2,3,4,5) - and 02:55:987 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - seems kinda un-warranted if we check 02:50:425 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - and we consider the song didn't change in intensity later on
i change the first one because its indeed too big distance. But second one is fine coz 02:56:324 (5,6,7,8) - its getting more intense so should be okay.
prolly last point, but if you fix rhythm and expression emphasis becomes a natural consequence I believe:
02:13:852 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is the only example I bring up, but you can notice this happening everywhere, more or less. Not sure this is as obvious as I believe it is, but if you notice, this whole pattern is just a giant circling ccw, with rather similar spacings which are not able to describe much about the song.
hmm yeah i agree the kiai of this song is a pain to map. i dont really know how to fix this cuz, this is so far the best i can come out. ccw/cw in second/first kiai gives a contradiction i guess, and i wanna make this map flows more natually.
I do understand this song doesn't offer such depth, but having everything pretty much similar to anything else becomes a bit too bland lol
Hitsounds are moderated

I won't rebubble, but I also won't hold up any veto if bolded things get fixed

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-08-28T13:43:10+00:00

I feel like important stuff has been ignored from my mod ?.?

Curi's new ver looks better, at least from testplay. I could nitpick about things, but that's not the point of a pop anyway.
Top diff still lacks in song expression in various parts and I am not referring to making perfectly repetitive parts in the map because the song is like that. You can vary things, but there are things that can vary and things that can't in order to keep a structure solid (aka, change aesthetics, but keep rhythm or a general flow concept. Idk, it's up to the mapper to think exactly "what" to keep and what not to benefit his structure for the map)

I believe the first step to express the song is using an appropriate rhythm (which you didn't do in those two kiai time parts I mentioned for example), while some things have a large space for improvement but seeing the reply I get more the idea of "I don't really want to fix much" (well, that's just my perception anyway, don't take it personally).

Since not everyone has the input to push further, I will give that input myself: I will keep my pop for now, unless some major changes happen.
I just hope this is not a useless waste of time on your side to search for another BN but an opportunity to delve more into your map. I am being selfish here, sorry.

Let me know

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-08-28T17:17:53+00:00

Can you reply to my reply so that I know in which part have I expressed a feeling of "I'm not gonna change this because I'm lazy or I just don't wanna fix much" etc? I feel that I explained every point pretty clearly, regarding to your concern.

My idea on why your rhythm doesn't work for some parts is clearly issued. I also specified the timing frame. I don't really want to restate my point of view if you have already seen them...

TBH your biggest concern is the 2,3 kiai which you feel does not represent music well. My rhythm choice is always referring to the music tho, especially the vocal. You never see me using a jump or so many clicks when the music is not that intense. And you are also talking about appropriate rhythm...so what exactly is appropriate rhythm? The song, with its vocal, is supposed to have different rhythm interpretations for different ppl right? It's fine if we only have some slight differences on rhythm pick. In your mod, your suggestion is just asking me to change some sliders to circles, circles to sliders, when they are both part of vocal which could be interpreted differently. I didn't change intensity at all. I'm not going to list some other maps with same song different music, and how different their rhythm can be.

If your current concern is on spacing, ofc I can change it. It's always fine for me to nerf diffs tho I never made pp maps lol. But in terms of rhythm maybe you can give more examples? The ones you gave me were addressed by me already. I'm not really unwilling to change stuff in my map, if you take a look at my previous maps. But here I am not satisfied with your reply, it looks as if I'm not gonna change anything...Honestly I'd change it if imo it makes the map better. I don't fix some suggestions because they don't change much to the map.

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-08-30T13:31:40+00:00

Let's say I should accept all view points on the matter called "mapping".

I strongly disagree with a couple of things in that reply but explaining why it is so would require me to write down my whole knowledge in fact of mapping (like what I do with my mentees when I teach them).
Since I have no such time nor such will to do it I believe it's better to leave the matter go... players would enjoy it anyway, I guess...

I won't support it tho

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-08-30T14:11:05+00:00

hmm

"I won't support it tho"

Without some explanation?

"I strongly disagree with a couple of things in that reply but explaining why it is so would require me to write down my whole knowledge in fact of mapping"

Nobody wants you to list all your knowledge lol, I am almost certain than you know everyone(every mature mapper) has a different "mapping knowledge". And departing from that, we make different maps.

"Since I have no such time nor such will to do it I believe it's better to leave the matter go... players would enjoy it anyway, I guess..."

Since you have no such time why do you still keep the veto? Also do you mean it's fine by saying "leave the matter go"?

I am really confused and unvinced. Mind saying more or just get rid of your veto?

Alright seems like its fine to go i guess.

Doormat

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Doormat 2017-09-06T02:17:57+00:00

from the bn discord regarding this set

based on sergio's remarks regarding this set, i'm going to go ahead and assume that it should be safe to rebubble this since it's no longer a veto

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-09-06T11:28:18+00:00

Thx!

Kagetsu

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Kagetsu 2017-09-23T08:28:02+00:00

hi

[Sweet Sweet Angel]

00:03:740 (6,7) - it kinda tilts me that these two are visually different compared to 00:02:392 (6,7) - you might want to keep some sort of similarity between those two as they're representing the same thing
00:14:695 (5,6) - the clap being a stack feels inconsistent compared to previous instances
00:20:762 (2) - not sure if this the best option rhythm-wise. it feels a bit weird because you were previously following vocals so the circle feels rather out of place
00:33:740 (3,4,1,2) - it doesn't look too nice to be honest. the visual spacing between 00:33:740 (3,4) - is slightly higher and makes things look messy ):
00:37:111 (3,4) - i'd rather not use 2 circles here. the music isn't that intense. it would also allow you to use a pattern which would add more correlation between objects
00:50:257 (1,2,3,4,5) - this whole combo feels visually unbalanced. i believe that it would look neater if you could find a way to organize your objects better. using similar visual spacing/shapes would improve these type of things significantly.
00:59:189 (5,6,7,8,1) - even though there are some 1/4, i think it would be better to contrast stuff like this 00:59:442 (8) - from this 00:59:526 (1) - . using a 1/4 slider instead of those two circles 00:59:358 (7,8) - fits better in my mind
01:03:740 (1,2) - your previous rhythm was better to be honest, 2 sliders feels way to plain for what music is offering, especially if we consider that you're mapping vocals
01:07:448 - should be a clap i think?
01:14:526 (1,4) - these type of stuff looks kinda weird in my opinion. they're rarely seen in the map and it's not like they were representing anything special, i'd rather stick to just one concept
01:17:223 (1,2) - i think you could've used more circles here? it's sad because the slider are forming a pattern which is one of the things this map lacks of
01:30:032 (1,2,1) - this was kinda hard to read at first though i don't think it's that problematic. i just wanted to mention it
01:40:987 (5,1) - i feel like you could've used a triple here? there are some noises and it would work for emphasis as well
01:43:852 (3,1,2,3,4) - similar to points above, i think this could've been arranged better. overlap like these look kinda untidy in my eyes, it's not like they're inherently messy, but it looks kinda weird considering the fact that the map was kinda built around having things "equally" spaced
01:48:234 (1,2,3) - this is also a thing that i consider looks out of place if we compare it with other patterns in the map. the y axis symmetry was never introduced before so i expect it to represent something special though it doesn't seem to be the case here
02:12:167 (6,7,1) - i wonder why these are distinct compared to previous chorus. this seem to work better though
02:24:639 (1,2,3,4) - similar to previous kiai i guess. you could've used more circles. the unbalanced patterns seem to be a thing here as well
02:43:515 - any special reason to have so many different spacings for the 1/4's on this section? (ex: 02:44:021 (4,5,6) - vs 02:45:369 (4,5,6) - 02:46:717 (3,4,5,6,7) - it looks kinda random from what i perceive
the map seems to get better at the ending part

dunno if this was some sort of tribute to taeyang's version (i say so because the low cs and the placements kind of remind me of his diff) though i feel he did a much better work when arranging his objects. i find most of the patterns heavily unbalanced visually speaking. it gets better at the ending part though.
for example 03:26:662 (1,2,3) - these compared to stuff like 01:03:740 (1,2,3,4,5) - . the first one maintains a bit of connection between objects (they're all straight, the visual spacing is somehow constant, you're using the same type of overlaps 03:26:493 (8,2) - 03:26:325 (7,1) - ) for the second one though, it looks kind of messy because it lacks of that connection)
there's also other thing that is kind of related, the map feels way too cramped on some places, i think you could've made a better use of the screen on instances such as 02:13:178 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - where everything seems to be in the same place. i would rather use the whole screen to arrange the patterns instead of focusing on a specific place.
it's not a bad map, though i feel that it could be improved significantly by simply paying more attention to minor stuff that repeats constantly. (using the same type of overlaps, balancing the spacing in general and stuff like that) lowering the AR to a really low value might help you to find out these things.

i checked the other diffs and they look ok to me, they could get some minor tweaks but anyways... i don't think it's worth to mention as they're rather minor.

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-09-23T14:59:35+00:00

2000th post lol

Kagetsu wrote:
hi

Deleted = fixed

[Sweet Sweet Angel]
00:20:762 (2) - not sure if this the best option rhythm-wise. it feels a bit weird because you were previously following vocals so the circle feels rather out of place
i feel this is fine as a transition, just a small spacing click
01:17:223 (1,2) - i think you could've used more circles here? it's sad because the slider are forming a pattern which is one of the things this map lacks of
hmm but i think the pattern 01:17:223 (1,2) - is fine and i dont wanna use circles here tbh..
01:30:032 (1,2,1) - this was kinda hard to read at first though i don't think it's that problematic. i just wanted to mention it
yeah ik but no idea how to fix
01:40:987 (5,1) - i feel like you could've used a triple here? there are some noises and it would work for emphasis as well
nah its 1/6 and i dont want to make life so hard
02:43:515 - any special reason to have so many different spacings for the 1/4's on this section? (ex: 02:44:021 (4,5,6) - vs 02:45:369 (4,5,6) - 02:46:717 (3,4,5,6,7) - it looks kinda random from what i perceive
hmm because 02:44:189 (6) - and 02:46:886 (5,6,7) - are different i guess? one has significant triplet sound
the map seems to get better at the ending part
i checked the other diffs and they look ok to me, they could get some minor tweaks but anyways... i don't think it's worth to mention as they're rather minor.

Went through the map and changed a lot of overlaps to stacks, also nerfed the diff to like 5.54*(and changed to cs4 so its still 5.6)

Left

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Left 2017-09-23T16:31:42+00:00

really sad that im too bad modder and cant help ;w

gratz 2000 post

Garden

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Garden 2017-12-30T08:19:50+00:00

checked and fixed a few jumps in top diff, qualified

Shima Rin

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Shima Rin 2017-12-30T13:21:38+00:00

Congratz!
Sitting besides Garden and sahuang, I watch this set to be qualified lol.

sahuang

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sahuang 2017-12-30T15:26:35+00:00

Thx!!

What was discussed during meetup:
1) Polish on lower diffs
2) Changed some jump patterns in top diff to make them flow better

Thanks again to all ~~

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Doyak 2018-01-07T08:57:55+00:00

Note: "[C u r i]" was missing in the tags, but the set is ranked already. So I added [c_u_r_i] to the online tags.

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