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Sylphi
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[General]
  1. Futsuu ~ Oni難易度に対して、全体的に密度調整が必要じゃないかと思います。実際Kantan->Futsuuまでは大丈夫でしたが、その差がちょっとしずつ大きくなっているので…
  2. ODが急に高くなった気がしますが、Nymphaeaのあの数値、最善ですか？
[Kantan]
  1. 00:22:606 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 初心者にはリズム読むのが難しいかも知れません。ここって特に必ずマップするほど確実なものがないので、一定なリズムでマップするべきだと思います。これはその例です: http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/y3oLWRoy.png
  2. 01:05:506 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - beatの変化がちょっと激しい感がいますね。確かに色のパタン変化はないので問題はなさそうに見えますが、初心者が急なbeatの転換を反応できるのかを考えると、ちょっと悩む必要がありそうです。ふむ、いっそ01:07:306 (4)を01:07:606に移るのはどうでしょう？
  3. 01:20:956 (2) - パタンが長くなることを避けるためにこれ消してみるのはどうでしょう？
  4. 01:29:806 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - これもさっき上で言ったように、リズム掴むのが難しいんです。詳しいことは00:22:606のを参考してください。
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:22:606 - 01:29:806 - これもKantanと似て、何に合わせたのかわからない感じですね。こんな風になってるのはパタン作ろうとせず、シンプルにするのがflow的にはベストだと思いますが…
  2. 00:34:306 (5,6,7,1) - この難易度をプレイする人にとって1/3は結構きついんです。ましてやBPMが200になると…
  3. 00:44:206 (7) - 以前２つのノートで聞こえる音ががここにも聞こえるのでkに変えてみるのはどうでしょう？
  4. 00:56:806 - 全体的な感じでは、ここにdがいってもいいんじゃないかなって…
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:03:256 (2) - drum音は00:03:106から00:03:706まで一定なbeatで作られたので、今のパタンよりはこれを00:03:406に移し、バランスを取るのがスムースな感じになると思います。
  2. 00:07:906 (1,2,3,4,5) - 上と同じ意見です
  3. 00:16:456 (5) - 正直にここって、音がつながる感じではないので、これ外してdkd kkd dkddkの3/3/5パタン作るのが自然だと思います。
  4. 00:22:606 - 01:29:806 - この難易度もまた、ちょっと曲とは合う雰囲気じゃないと思います。一定な間隔の音をこんな風に表現するにはちょっとバランス的に悪い感じがしますので…
  5. 00:32:506 - 01:39:706 -確かにリズムはあってるけど、違和感がすごいです。でも特に思いつくパタンがないのも事実ですね…
  6. 00:38:656 (8,9,10,11) - マップのスタイルを見る限りd kkkのほうが似合うと思います。
  7. 00:39:706 - パタンが曲とはちょっと違う方向で続くケースがちょくちょく見えますね。それ自体が影響が大きくではないんですが、自然なflowにはちょっと役に立つので、ちょっと前向きに考えてみてください
    1. 00:50:056 (5) - 実際メロディーが一度切れるところです。外すのが一貫性維持にもどの程度は役に立つから、俺としては悪くない意見だと思いますが…
    2. 00:52:756 (8) - これ00:51:706と00:52:906のパタンを合わせるってかんじで、外して見るのはどうでしょうか？
    3. 00:54:856 (5) - これもどう聞いても音がつながるって感じではないと思います。むしろ00:54:106や00:54:706のメロディーのせいで、分離されてる感じが強いですね。
  8. 01:00:781 (7,8) - これは極めて個人的な意見なんですが、01:01:156に移し、後ろのほうに連打を置く形にするのも悪くないと思います。
  9. 01:07:006 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - これもちょっとした違和感が…sliderに変えてみるのはどうでしょう？
  10. 01:13:156 (13) - 12番と同じ感じの音なので、同じくkに…
[Oni]
  1. Muzukashii難易度に比べ、一部のパタンの密度が高すぎるんです。Muzukashiiの難易度を高めるのはその下の難易度との差が大きくなるので、Oniで密度を減らせばいいと思います。
    1. 00:18:106 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/n733iSMa.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/9zZhfqO5.png
    2. 00:22:906 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/b0S93Fet.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/AXASvsuQ.png
    3. 00:56:506 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/On0yMdR0.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/LE54PzWF.png
    4. 01:30:106 - 00:22:906と同じ
  2. 01:01:606 - あえて表現するなら1/3のパタンになるのんですが、雰囲気上には合わない感じがするのも事実ですね…
Nymphaeaの方は難しすぎるのでmodは無理でした。
komasy
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Joined October 2012
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komasy

Sylphi wrote:

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[General]
  1. Futsuu ~ Oni難易度に対して、全体的に密度調整が必要じゃないかと思います。実際Kantan->Futsuuまでは大丈夫でしたが、その差がちょっとしずつ大きくなっているので…
  2. ODが急に高くなった気がしますが、Nymphaeaのあの数値、最善ですか？
    OniとNymphaeaの間にInner Oniが入るので適切です。
[Kantan]
  1. 00:22:606 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 初心者にはリズム読むのが難しいかも知れません。ここって特に必ずマップするほど確実なものがないので、一定なリズムでマップするべきだと思います。これはその例です: http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/y3oLWRoy.png
    一拍目には音符があった方が、実際にプレイしたときにkick音へのフォローが感じられていいと思います
  2. 01:05:506 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - beatの変化がちょっと激しい感がいますね。確かに色のパタン変化はないので問題はなさそうに見えますが、初心者が急なbeatの転換を反応できるのかを考えると、ちょっと悩む必要がありそうです。ふむ、いっそ01:07:306 (4)を01:07:606に移るのはどうでしょう？
    ＾
  3. 01:20:956 (2) - パタンが長くなることを避けるためにこれ消してみるのはどうでしょう？
    そうするなら01:21:856 (4) - も消す必要があると思います。サビの終盤ということも考えて現状keepしておきます
  4. 01:29:806 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - これもさっき上で言ったように、リズム掴むのが難しいんです。詳しいことは00:22:606のを参考してください。
    same
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:22:606 - 01:29:806 - これもKantanと似て、何に合わせたのかわからない感じですね。こんな風になってるのはパタン作ろうとせず、シンプルにするのがflow的にはベストだと思いますが…
    kick音をフォローしています。曲がもともと低難度を作るような曲ではないので難しいですね…　modderからのいい提案があれば変更するかもしれません
  2. 00:34:306 (5,6,7,1) - この難易度をプレイする人にとって1/3は結構きついんです。ましてやBPMが200になると…
    1/1.5です、積極的に曲を表現していきたいですが、他にも難しいと指摘された場合は変更します
  3. 00:44:206 (7) - 以前２つのノートで聞こえる音ががここにも聞こえるのでkに変えてみるのはどうでしょう？
    kick音をフォローしています
  4. 00:56:806 - 全体的な感じでは、ここにdがいってもいいんじゃないかなって…
    add d
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:03:256 (2) - drum音は00:03:106から00:03:706まで一定なbeatで作られたので、今のパタンよりはこれを00:03:406に移し、バランスを取るのがスムースな感じになると思います。
    changed
  2. 00:07:906 (1,2,3,4,5) - 上と同じ意見です
    changed
  3. 00:16:456 (5) - 正直にここって、音がつながる感じではないので、これ外してdkd kkd dkddkの3/3/5パタン作るのが自然だと思います。
    前の音符から拾っている音がありますし、00:15:706 - までのパターンから考えると複合の雰囲気を変えるべきだと思います
  4. 00:22:606 - 01:29:806 - この難易度もまた、ちょっと曲とは合う雰囲気じゃないと思います。一定な間隔の音をこんな風に表現するにはちょっとバランス的に悪い感じがしますので…
    他の方の提案を待ちます
  5. 00:32:506 - 01:39:706 -確かにリズムはあってるけど、違和感がすごいです。でも特に思いつくパタンがないのも事実ですね…
    音合わせ出来ていますし違和感は個人的には感じないのでkeep
  6. 00:38:656 (8,9,10,11) - マップのスタイルを見る限りd kkkのほうが似合うと思います。
    00:39:106 (12) - のkが強調されなくなります
  7. 00:39:706 - パタンが曲とはちょっと違う方向で続くケースがちょくちょく見えますね。それ自体が影響が大きくではないんですが、自然なflowにはちょっと役に立つので、ちょっと前向きに考えてみてください
    1. 00:50:056 (5) - 実際メロディーが一度切れるところです。外すのが一貫性維持にもどの程度は役に立つから、俺としては悪くない意見だと思いますが…
    2. 00:52:756 (8) - これ00:51:706と00:52:906のパタンを合わせるってかんじで、外して見るのはどうでしょうか？
    3. 00:54:856 (5) - これもどう聞いても音がつながるって感じではないと思います。むしろ00:54:106や00:54:706のメロディーのせいで、分離されてる感じが強いですね。
      ここの地帯、提案をもとに自分なりに改善しました、ありがとうございます
  8. 01:00:781 (7,8) - これは極めて個人的な意見なんですが、01:01:156に移し、後ろのほうに連打を置く形にするのも悪くないと思います。
    パターン統一もできるのでmoved
  9. 01:07:006 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - これもちょっとした違和感が…sliderに変えてみるのはどうでしょう？
    keep
  10. 01:13:156 (13) - 12番と同じ感じの音なので、同じくkに…
    kick音をフォローしています
[Oni]
  1. Muzukashii難易度に比べ、一部のパタンの密度が高すぎるんです。Muzukashiiの難易度を高めるのはその下の難易度との差が大きくなるので、Oniで密度を減らせばいいと思います。
    1. 00:18:106 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/n733iSMa.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/9zZhfqO5.png
    2. 00:22:906 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/b0S93Fet.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/AXASvsuQ.png
    3. 00:56:506 - http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/On0yMdR0.png vs http://sylphi.s-ul.eu/LE54PzWF.png
    4. 01:30:106 - 00:22:906と同じ
      確かに一気に難化してますね…　自分なりに簡単にしました。
  2. 01:01:606 - あえて表現するなら1/3のパタンになるのんですが、雰囲気上には合わない感じがするのも事実ですね…
    keep
Nymphaeaの方は難しすぎるのでmodは無理でした。
Thank you for modding!
namaniku
43 posts
Joined May 2013
namaniku

namaniku wrote:

こんばんは～ M4M

mod
[Kantan]
  1. 01:14:806 (3) - move to 01:15:406 - 音を拾うならここの方が良いと思います(◯_◯_◯◯◯のパターンに合わせるならkeepで)
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:57:106 - add d 00:54:106 - ~ 00:55:906 - の三連1/1のパターンの維持と、単純にノーツが置いてなかったのが違和感あった為
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:15:556 (12) - change to k　dよりもkの音が強い気がします
  2. 01:00:556 (5) - delete　Muzukashiiなのでここまで細かく拾う必要は無いと思います
  3. 01:09:256 (5) - delete　同じパターンが繰り返されているので変化を付ける為
  4. 01:11:656 (5) - ^
[Oni]
  1. 00:57:031 (206) - move to 00:57:331 -　前の1/2と揃えて音を主張させる為です
  2. 01:13:231 (311) - delete and 01:13:306 (312) - change to k　1/2の音が鳴っているので1/4で拾う必要は無いと思います
  3. 01:16:831 - add d?　三連符→五連符という流れもアリかなと
[Nymphaea]
  1. 00:32:706 (77) - change to k　隣(78)のdで別の音が鳴っているので
  2. 01:05:131 - add k?　合わないかもしれないのでお好みで
  3. 01:39:906 (77) - change to k　最初と同様
  4. 01:46:081 (128) - delete?　曲のfinishとして敢えて分割して偶数置くのも良いと思いました
指摘少なくなりましたがとても良い譜面でした！ Good luck!
komasy
621 posts
Joined October 2012
Topic Starter
komasy

namaniku wrote:

namaniku wrote:

こんばんは～ M4M

mod
[Kantan]
  1. 01:14:806 (3) - move to 01:15:406 - 音を拾うならここの方が良いと思います(◯_◯_◯◯◯のパターンに合わせるならkeepで)
    keep
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:57:106 - add d 00:54:106 - ~ 00:55:906 - の三連1/1のパターンの維持と、単純にノーツが置いてなかったのが違和感あった為
    added
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:15:556 (12) - change to k　dよりもkの音が強い気がします
    kickをフォローしてます
  2. 01:00:556 (5) - delete　Muzukashiiなのでここまで細かく拾う必要は無いと思います
    直前までスネアを拾っているので拾わないと違和感があります
  3. 01:09:256 (5) - delete　同じパターンが繰り返されているので変化を付ける為
    01:09:706 (7,8,9,10,11) - と対称パターンを組んでいます
  4. 01:11:656 (5) - ^
    01:12:106 (7,8,9,10,11) - と対称パターンを組んでいます
    また上二つの複合で配色の変化を付けることで音程の変化を表現しています
[Oni]
  1. 00:57:031 (206) - move to 00:57:331 -　前の1/2と揃えて音を主張させる為です
    good changed
  2. 01:13:231 (311) - delete and 01:13:306 (312) - change to k　1/2の音が鳴っているので1/4で拾う必要は無いと思います
    キック音をフォローしています
  3. 01:16:831 - add d?　三連符→五連符という流れもアリかなと
    上の難度との差分を考えてkeep
[Nymphaea]
  1. 00:32:706 (77) - change to k　隣(78)のdで別の音が鳴っているので
    正直違いが分からないのと、2拍でddk基調パターンとdkk基調パターンで切り替えているのでkeep
  2. 01:05:131 - add k?　合わないかもしれないのでお好みで
    added
  3. 01:39:906 (77) - change to k　最初と同様
    same
  4. 01:46:081 (128) - delete?　曲のfinishとして敢えて分割して偶数置くのも良いと思いました
    god changed
指摘少なくなりましたがとても良い譜面でした！ Good luck!
ありがとうございました！
tasuke912
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2018
1,347 posts
Joined June 2013
tasuke912
スーパー遅れました
http://puu.sh/wy6e4/fad6554c72.osu
mysterfish
64 posts
Joined August 2016
mysterfish
こんにちは～チャットからです
とりあえず1diffだけmodします

mod
[tasuke's Inner Oni]
00:14:956 (36) - change d メロディを聞いた感じだとこっちの方がいいと思います。

00:58:606 (89,90) - change kd SRが大きく下がってしまいますが、このほうが自然だと思います。

01:25:531 (63) - change d キックの音程に合わせる感じです。
01:26:131 (69) - change d ^

01:46:231 (188) - delete こうした方が最後の　ddkk に自然とつながる感じがしました
時間があったら他のdiffも見ます。Ranked頑張って下さい！ :)
tasuke912
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2018
1,347 posts
Joined June 2013
tasuke912

mysterfish wrote:

こんにちは～チャットからです
とりあえず1diffだけmodします

mod
[tasuke's Inner Oni]
00:14:956 (36) - change d メロディを聞いた感じだとこっちの方がいいと思います。構成を考えると変えるべきではありません。

00:58:606 (89,90) - change kd SRが大きく下がってしまいますが、このほうが自然だと思います。根拠が曖昧で特にメリットを感じなかったので一旦キープ。

01:25:531 (63) - change d キックの音程に合わせる感じです。どういう意味でしょうか...？キックの音圧を考えると尚更kの方が適当だと思うのですが。
01:26:131 (69) - change d ^

01:46:231 (188) - delete こうした方が最後の　ddkk に自然とつながる感じがしました むしろ短音d３回はあまり流れに合わないように感じます。
時間があったら他のdiffも見ます。Ranked頑張って下さい！ :)
Thanks for mod~
Arrival
1,418 posts
Joined June 2012
Arrival
Bonjour

Kantan

00:22:606 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I believe the best way to map this for a kantan would be to delete these notes and simply replace them by a slider that finishe sat 00:24:406 -

00:32:206 (1,1,2,1,2) - I guess you could kinda do the same here

01:05:506 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - Delete and replace by a spinner starting at 01:06:106 - and finishing at 01:07:306 -

01:29:806 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - as earlier etc

These changes will help fixing the lower diff spread that is a bit imbalanced toward muzukashii

Futsuu

Seems fine

Muzukashii

00:29:056 (8) - I'd suggest deleting this to keep something shorter than 7 notes

Try to nerf a bit the patterns exceeding 7 1/2s in a row

00:34:506 (11,12) - A bit hard imo, delete them and simply make this

Oni

00:01:606 (1) - It's the only difficulty with Nymphaea with a spinner, I think deleting it would make more sense as it doesn't really add any inteesting value to the difficulties

Good otherwise

tasuke's Inner Oni

01:16:906 - Small suggestion, what do you think about something like this instead

awesome diff

Nymphaea

00:47:506 - Try this instead ? I think it's more intuitive considering your mapping style The kdddk feels a bit odd after the pair patterns


very good

call me back
komasy
621 posts
Joined October 2012
Topic Starter
komasy

Arrival wrote:

SPOILER
Bonjour

Kantan

00:22:606 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - I believe the best way to map this for a kantan would be to delete these notes and simply replace them by a slider that finishe sat 00:24:406 -
00:24:706 - and placing k in 00:24:406 -, I think it express songs to the maximum. If I make it Slider, I think that the strength of it will be lost.

00:32:206 (1,1,2,1,2) - I guess you could kinda do the same here
1/3 sounds are ringing and I want to express the sound of the piano at 00:34:306 -.

01:05:506 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5) - Delete and replace by a spinner starting at 01:06:106 - and finishing at 01:07:306 -
I thought it would be better to start Spinner from 01:06:106 - leaving 01:05:506 (1,2) -. Because 01:00:706 (1,2,3) - where the exact same sound is ringing, I thought that it was better to have ddd and make it better to have consistency.

01:29:806 (1,1,2,3,4,5) - as earlier etc
same

These changes will help fixing the lower diff spread that is a bit imbalanced toward muzukashii

Futsuu

Seems fine
Thanks!

Muzukashii

00:29:056 (8) - I'd suggest deleting this to keep something shorter than 7 notes
deleted

Try to nerf a bit the patterns exceeding 7 1/2s in a row
I decreased 7 of 1/2 notes. It made it easy.

00:34:506 (11,12) - A bit hard imo, delete them and simply make this
Since I have taken kick until just before, I felt incongruous if I did not take it here as well. Also, since it is a single color, we think that it is acceptable range.

Oni

00:01:606 (1) - It's the only difficulty with Nymphaea with a spinner, I think deleting it would make more sense as it doesn't really add any interesting value to the difficulties
deleted

Good otherwise
thanks!

Nymphaea

00:47:506 - Try this instead ? I think it's more intuitive considering your mapping style The kdddk feels a bit odd after the pair patterns
This zone is a policy to take all kick with d. I will keep keeping it here because I get a sense of incompatibility.

very good
thanks!

call me back
thank you for modding, Arrival!
tasuke912
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2018
1,347 posts
Joined June 2013
tasuke912
I prefer to follow the kick there. Thanks for the mod!
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BeatDivisor: 4
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Title:Black Lotus
TitleUnicode:Black Lotus
Artist:wa.
ArtistUnicode:wa.
Creator:komasy
Version:tasuke's Inner Oni
Source:BMS
Tags:BOFU2016 Legendary Again GrimReaper ノリと勢い tasuke912
BeatmapID:1345025
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Arrival
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Arrival
komasy and tasuke SSSSSSSSSS tier mappers
komasy
621 posts
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komasy

Arrival wrote:

komasy and tasuke SSSSSSSSSS tier mappers
Thank you for giving me bubble!

I am god mapper :)
just a kidding w
Surono
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Surono
Im late, after checked this set looks ok. 1 thing, change HP of Nymphaea diff to 5 ww
komasy
621 posts
Joined October 2012
Topic Starter
komasy

Surono wrote:

Im late, after checked this set looks ok. 1 thing, change HP of Nymphaea diff to 5 ww
I think it's a hard map.
If I change HP to 5, it's become to be easy to leach clear.
So I think HP6 is best..
Surono
7,195 posts
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Surono
Qualified

pp but not too ez to pass okok 8-)
komasy
621 posts
Joined October 2012
Topic Starter
komasy

Surono wrote:

Qualified

pp but not too ez to pass okok 8-)
thank you for qualification, Surono!!
yuzu__rinrin
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yuzu__rinrin
ノリと勢いでQF

gratz!
-Sh1n1-
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-Sh1n1-
Gratz :3
komasy
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komasy

yuzu__rinrin wrote:

ノリと勢いでQF

gratz!
ノリと勢いでDQ
thanks!
komasy
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komasy

-Sh1n1- wrote:

Gratz :3
thank you :)
Ozu
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Ozu
Finally, congrat xD
komasy
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komasy

404 AccNotFound wrote:

Finally, congrat xD
arigatou :)
Shinsekai-
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Shinsekai-
GRTAZ <3 <3 <3 <3
komasy
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komasy

Shinsekai- wrote:

GRTAZ <3 <3 <3 <3
thank you :)
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