Hiromi Sato - Jiyuu no Hane · forum

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_handholding 2017-02-20T19:51:31+00:00

I don't know how Sergio wants me to justify my structure atm

@zev fixed stacks thanks

@xexxar can I have a custom bg? If so I want to use in the one in the puush pls http://puu.sh/uc3hB/9b9d9313ca.rar

Seijiro

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Seijiro 2017-02-20T21:59:57+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
I find it quite rude that you're calling this a decent attempt for a first time ranking a map. That's needless bashing. it may be, and I apologize for that. It's just that trying to figure out a way to put it as gently as always to not hurt anyone gets tiring over time.

You also state my structure is bad and give one example. Is it sufficient for me to explain that one example as to why there is structure and then I can proceed with ranking as normal? yes

(also im disappointed with how half ass this mod is as you only took the time to look at 25 seconds of one diff before deciding that it was personally unfit for ranking.) I checked the whole map a few times and made 2 testplays (for what a testplay is worth). The fact I just did that one pattern was to avoid making a useless wall of text. I could have said the same thing in other spots too, but I didn't think it was worth the hassle to do the same thing over and over.

Also, after talking in PM with Shiirn it turned out that I might need to clarify what a bubble pop means, since this became a useless drama.
BNs can use the bubble pop as a veto for maps. While it is true that they need to state their reason to do so, it is just an opinion (if we were to just check for objective stuff we might as well just program a software or serverside script to do so, and not setting up a test and creating a new group of people for just this, right?). As such, my bubble pop meant simply "I disagree with this being ready", which therefore nullifies Tomori's bubble.

Once this happens, Tomori can't bubble again, but if someone disagrees with my opinion he just needs a "I disagree with Sergio" and can bubble again as far as I'm concerned.
I expressed my opinion and I'm open to accept someone else's opinion (as long as it is reasoned out). Also stop the fucking memes, it's becoming too retarded

If you're fine with a generic map (since yeah, it flows and plays decently), then go ahead. I just disagree with this being enough for ranking and that's the meaning of my pop.

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:905 (2,3) - this rhythm is pretty similar to before, so I don't see why this needs such low spacing between 00:06:592 (1,2) - . Maybe Ctrl G 2,3?
i wanted this flow direction, the spacing being low is a result of my structure which put 00:05:967 (2,3,2) - in a vertical line. If it wasnt already obvious, it was my objective to create a very linear map in that perspective, that used alot of horizontal and vertical lines.

Umh... alright, the line is there in the editor, but the fact those objects are in different combos doesn't even make me try to relate them in any particular way, not to mention in this exact way: you have a 1/1 gap between 00:06:124 (3,2) - and due to high AR 00:05:967 (2) - this one disappears quite fast, which makes it hard to notice the whole line.

Keeping this argument, I'd like to take a more wide range of analysis:
the whole part you have from 00:02:999 - to 00:12:999 - gets repeated right after it ends one more time, from 00:12:999 - 00:22:999 -
Now, assuming you have that sort of line as a structure as you said, I would think that you keep using it somewhere else in similar situations, so I went searching for possible similar patterns...
What I got was 00:08:467 (2,4,1) - (this one might actually be seen as a line as you described, although the quirky visual spacings make it a bit hard to notice) and well... there were no other spots where I could see that sort of thing, above all at 00:15:967 (2,3,2) - where it is the exact identical spot you mentioned, just repeated and with a different pitch.

Tbh I don't mind considering that as a piece of structure, but using it twice (and not even the same way, since the second time I can notice that is done at a shorter snap and rhythm) and not using it anymore even on spots where it would be great to emphasize such structure, makes it lose meaning imo.
Using such mindset I could easily take any piece of the map and once I find a line or a sort of figure I recognize (even across multiple combos) I call it a piece of structure :/

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:592 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since I'm here I might as well start picking on structure.
00:05:967 (2,3,2) - are in a vertical line and I wanted to center my structure around this. You'll notice that 00:06:436 (4,5) - are overlapped, 00:07:061 (3,4) - are evenly variable in distance from this vertical line that was formed with those objects. You'll also notice that each note in this pattern has a very specific and clean amount of follow points in between them. 1-2 there are 2, 2-3 4, 3-4 2, etc. I tend to be very careful to try to make my follow points clean visually.

The thing about the vertical line is discussed already so I'll take that as a good reason here.
If we assume 00:06:436 (4,5) - this is a piece of structure then I once again get the feeling I need to double check this: as far as I could see, you do something similar for 00:04:405 (2,6) - 00:14:092 (1,5) - 00:19:092 (1,4,6) - , these 3 spots.
What I notice for that tho, is that I can't really identify that as a piece of structure (as a player) because of two main reasons:
1) 00:06:436 (4,5) - are soo far apart on time line that I'd have a hard time remembering the spot of the previous object
2) the other spots that are meant to ensure the piece of structure gets used and is... "structured" , are all differently made: 00:04:405 (2,6) - these don't really have the same exact snap (they are like... 5/4 and 00:06:436 (4,5) - is 3/2 but we can sort of ignore this little detail, it's too nazi); 00:14:092 (1,5) - this changes the overlap you mention to slider tails (and not circle + slider head as you did before); 00:19:092 (1,4,6) - and finally this adds like everything together (slider tail, slider head and circle).

I don't think that's so consistent in the end, but let's move on...

As for 00:07:061 (3,4) - I already mentioned the constant DS in my screens, so I noticed that. It just feels a weak reason once again because you do it just for a couple of objects.

The matter about follow points... well... who even counts follow points or stops staring at them? .-.
I respect your choice to make them like that but in my whole osu! "life" I never once cared about the amount of follow points and I wonder how many do that in gameplay. Imo there are other priorities to take care of when we talk about "clean" stuff but I guess we end up into personal stuff again...

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:436 (4,1) - it is rare to find this sort of flow, since you usually don't make jumps on sliders going the other way around.
i do this intentionally at every instance of this sound the piano makes: 00:06:436 (4,1) - , 00:16:436 (4,1) - , 01:31:436 (4,1) - , 01:41:436 (4,1) - , given that there is consistency, i dont see how me intentionally doing this pattern to prompt a specific motion is an issue that needs being addressed or changed.

Well, alright, I can agree on that, but using consistency as an excuse is not always a good idea if the pattern doesn't play that great.
I would make another picture with an explanation as to why I believe such movement isn't the best, but I had enough memes for today so I'll avoid to.
Instead I can tell you that your current movement puts a weak emphasis on the slider's head, fact that is inconsistent with the other sliders where you put a direct and strong emphasis on them (but I pointed this out already I guess)

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:12:374 (1,2,1,2) - probably personal, but it looks to me you considered this part of the song a bit differently than what the song plays.
im sorry what is your objective opinion that the song plays this in a specific way that must be followed? 00:12:530 (2,2) - are the same drum beat, they're weaker than the 1's, so i made them stacked, where as i gave 00:12:374 (1,1,1) - a triangle pattern for aesthetic. Let me remind you again that this is intended and consistent: 00:22:374 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 01:37:374 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 01:47:374 (1,2,1,2,1) -

well, I guess my wording wasn't the best to initiate a non-aggressive conversation on this one.
Anyway, yes, it is consistent and obviously there isn't a single way to express it, but I can once again argue how the choice is what matters, even if it's consistent.
Well, let's call it good then.

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:02:999 - 00:22:999 - what I noticed about structure is that you also sort of ignore how this part of the song uses like... 2-3 kinds of rhythm, yet your patterns keep changing a lot (not that I can tell exactly what they are changing into tho, but whatever...)
i've pointed out some purposes of my structure

yes, and I pointed out my counter-reasoning too

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:25:811 (4,5) - not really the best transition fro one instrument to another, but I guess it is not a big deal anyway, so nvm
dont see why you pointed this out then

Because there might be a better way if you think about it again?
Because being satisfied with the first solution you find might sound like being lazy to others?
Because although I could agree it is not a big deal it doesn't mean you aren't supposed to improve it at all?

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:42:061 (1,1,1,1) - you probably don't need such combo-ing anyway. Spacing and the song's general atmosphere should make this readable
i dont really agree, i think its very hard to read. if i can supply something that helps with sight reading this versus breaking there, I'd like to.

apart from 2 stacked triplets, you have no other streams whatsoever and if you manage the 1/4 snaps after sliders in kiai time properly you can make the difference in snap pretty noticeable without the need of so many NCs

Triplets in question: 01:02:217 (2,3,4) - 01:27:217 (1,2,3) -

@Shiirn:
We discussed some things in PM already but I wanted to point out some other things I see from your reply

It's not about the BG choice, but it's about the atmosphere it gives off. I just don't perceive that BG as properly expressive of the song's energy, it's not about who is in the picture or whether it connects to the eroge or not

The fact about the pitch is not really being made so clear to begin with with all those spacing and direction changes that seem to be fairly random, if you allow me to say it.

I wasn't assuming my vision as the "good" or "correct" way to do things to begin with once again.
I just started using the concepts I use for my mapsets because I couldn't find a solid base to work on for this map. I first take the mapper's concepts and filter mine based on that, but if you have no such solid references it's like 0 + my concepts = my concepts

Shiirn wrote:
I think it's insulting that you're forcibly applying your standards to mappers who have clearly exceeded your ability to judge them.

"Forcibly" is not (although we clarified this in PM I suppose... the whole matter about what a pop means and stuff) and how is this exceeding my ability? Is it because I disagree with some choice in here?
We might need to clarify this in PM since that sounds an insult too.

Conclusion:
whether my reply is satisfactory or not, feel free to ask for another BN to check this and bubble it again, I don't think that's an issue, isn't it? (there are plenty of other BNs anyway). I wanted to state my opinion on map of someone who I actually care about instead of a random dude (we know each other and you'rte a BN, so getting to make you understand some things may help spread my concept eventually, in a remote case where this is a reality)

@Kisses:
not my intention to stir up things, but the fact you can't give me a reply sort of confirms the lack of reasoning I was referring at in my mod.
This is not a bad map, just a rushed map from what I can tell.

I Must Decrease

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Joined June 2013

Topic Starter

I Must Decrease 2017-02-20T22:03:58+00:00

oh boy HERE we go

Response:

If you're fine with a generic map (since yeah, it flows and plays decently), then go ahead. I just disagree with this being enough for ranking and that's the meaning of my pop.

so you're popping it on the reason that the map is too standard? ;? thats kinda counterintuitive. If everythings unique nothing's unique :\

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:905 (2,3) - this rhythm is pretty similar to before, so I don't see why this needs such low spacing between 00:06:592 (1,2) - . Maybe Ctrl G 2,3?
i wanted this flow direction, the spacing being low is a result of my structure which put 00:05:967 (2,3,2) - in a vertical line. If it wasnt already obvious, it was my objective to create a very linear map in that perspective, that used alot of horizontal and vertical lines.

Umh... alright, the line is there in the editor, but the fact those objects are in different combos doesn't even make me try to relate them in any particular way, not to mention in this exact way: you have a 1/1 gap between 00:06:124 (3,2) - and due to high AR 00:05:967 (2) - this one disappears quite fast, which makes it hard to notice the whole line.

Keeping this argument, I'd like to take a more wide range of analysis:
the whole part you have from 00:02:999 - to 00:12:999 - gets repeated right after it ends one more time, from 00:12:999 - 00:22:999 -
Now, assuming you have that sort of line as a structure as you said, I would think that you keep using it somewhere else in similar situations, so I went searching for possible similar patterns...
What I got was 00:08:467 (2,4,1) - (this one might actually be seen as a line as you described, although the quirky visual spacings make it a bit hard to notice) and well... there were no other spots where I could see that sort of thing, above all at 00:15:967 (2,3,2) - where it is the exact identical spot you mentioned, just repeated and with a different pitch.

Tbh I don't mind considering that as a piece of structure, but using it twice (and not even the same way, since the second time I can notice that is done at a shorter snap and rhythm) and not using it anymore even on spots where it would be great to emphasize such structure, makes it lose meaning imo.
Using such mindset I could easily take any piece of the map and once I find a line or a sort of figure I recognize (even across multiple combos) I call it a piece of structure :/

ok so what, is this fine, are you forcing your opinion down my throat for me to change this in order for nao to bubble again?

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:592 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - since I'm here I might as well start picking on structure.
00:05:967 (2,3,2) - are in a vertical line and I wanted to center my structure around this. You'll notice that 00:06:436 (4,5) - are overlapped, 00:07:061 (3,4) - are evenly variable in distance from this vertical line that was formed with those objects. You'll also notice that each note in this pattern has a very specific and clean amount of follow points in between them. 1-2 there are 2, 2-3 4, 3-4 2, etc. I tend to be very careful to try to make my follow points clean visually.

The thing about the vertical line is discussed already so I'll take that as a good reason here.
If we assume 00:06:436 (4,5) - this is a piece of structure then I once again get the feeling I need to double check this: as far as I could see, you do something similar for 00:04:405 (2,6) - 00:14:092 (1,5) - 00:19:092 (1,4,6) - , these 3 spots.
What I notice for that tho, is that I can't really identify that as a piece of structure (as a player) because of two main reasons:
1) 00:06:436 (4,5) - are soo far apart on time line that I'd have a hard time remembering the spot of the previous object
2) the other spots that are meant to ensure the piece of structure gets used and is... "structured" , are all differently made: 00:04:405 (2,6) - these don't really have the same exact snap (they are like... 5/4 and 00:06:436 (4,5) - is 3/2 but we can sort of ignore this little detail, it's too nazi); 00:14:092 (1,5) - this changes the overlap you mention to slider tails (and not circle + slider head as you did before); 00:19:092 (1,4,6) - and finally this adds like everything together (slider tail, slider head and circle).

I don't think that's so consistent in the end, but let's move on...

As for 00:07:061 (3,4) - I already mentioned the constant DS in my screens, so I noticed that. It just feels a weak reason once again because you do it just for a couple of objects.

The matter about follow points... well... who even counts follow points or stops staring at them? .-.
I respect your choice to make them like that but in my whole osu! "life" I never once cared about the amount of follow points and I wonder how many do that in gameplay. Imo there are other priorities to take care of when we talk about "clean" stuff but I guess we end up into personal stuff again...

ok so you personally disagree but I still talked about them (fyi I learned about follow points from jenny's mapping style so... once again, you're just stating this is all your opinion, if its just you're opinion then why I you so violently up against what I have done.

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:06:436 (4,1) - it is rare to find this sort of flow, since you usually don't make jumps on sliders going the other way around.
i do this intentionally at every instance of this sound the piano makes: 00:06:436 (4,1) - , 00:16:436 (4,1) - , 01:31:436 (4,1) - , 01:41:436 (4,1) - , given that there is consistency, i dont see how me intentionally doing this pattern to prompt a specific motion is an issue that needs being addressed or changed.

Well, alright, I can agree on that, but using consistency as an excuse is not always a good idea if the pattern doesn't play that great.
I would make another picture with an explanation as to why I believe such movement isn't the best, but I had enough memes for today so I'll avoid to.
Instead I can tell you that your current movement puts a weak emphasis on the slider's head, fact that is inconsistent with the other sliders where you put a direct and strong emphasis on them (but I pointed this out already I guess)

it plays fine you are just too weak.

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:12:374 (1,2,1,2) - probably personal, but it looks to me you considered this part of the song a bit differently than what the song plays.
im sorry what is your objective opinion that the song plays this in a specific way that must be followed? 00:12:530 (2,2) - are the same drum beat, they're weaker than the 1's, so i made them stacked, where as i gave 00:12:374 (1,1,1) - a triangle pattern for aesthetic. Let me remind you again that this is intended and consistent: 00:22:374 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 01:37:374 (1,2,1,2,1) - , 01:47:374 (1,2,1,2,1) -

well, I guess my wording wasn't the best to initiate a non-aggressive conversation on this one.
Anyway, yes, it is consistent and obviously there isn't a single way to express it, but I can once again argue how the choice is what matters, even if it's consistent.
Well, let's call it good then.

cool

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:02:999 - 00:22:999 - what I noticed about structure is that you also sort of ignore how this part of the song uses like... 2-3 kinds of rhythm, yet your patterns keep changing a lot (not that I can tell exactly what they are changing into tho, but whatever...)
i've pointed out some purposes of my structure

yes, and I pointed out my counter-reasoning too
ok

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:25:811 (4,5) - not really the best transition fro one instrument to another, but I guess it is not a big deal anyway, so nvm
dont see why you pointed this out then

Because there might be a better way if you think about it again?
Because being satisfied with the first solution you find might sound like being lazy to others?
Because although I could agree it is not a big deal it doesn't mean you aren't supposed to improve it at all?

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? then what do you even want me to do?

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
00:42:061 (1,1,1,1) - you probably don't need such combo-ing anyway. Spacing and the song's general atmosphere should make this readable
i dont really agree, i think its very hard to read. if i can supply something that helps with sight reading this versus breaking there, I'd like to.

apart from 2 stacked triplets, you have no other streams whatsoever and if you manage the 1/4 snaps after sliders in kiai time properly you can make the difference in snap pretty noticeable without the need of so many NCs there are also no 1/4th snaps before this point, so naturally speaking theres LITERALLY nothing to indicate whether or not this is 1/4 or a 1/3rd stream. the use of NC's highlights this to be something that is VERY different from what is expected. (which would naturally be 1/4)

Triplets in question: 01:02:217 (2,3,4) - 01:27:217 (1,2,3) -

Conclusion:
whether my reply is satisfactory or not, feel free to ask for another BN to check this and bubble it again, I don't think that's an issue, isn't it? (there are plenty of other BNs anyway). I wanted to state my opinion on map of someone who I actually care about instead of a random dude (we know each other and you'rte a BN, so getting to make you understand some things may help spread my concept eventually, in a remote case where this is a reality)

so you're not letting nao rebubble this or retracting your bubble pop why? is it just because you feel like flexing your power? Subjective opinions are fine to express, but to pop purely because you dont like things that I have reasons for is completely uncalled for and is questionable. Based off your logic every BN should be able to pop literally any map they want because "i wouldnt map it this way."

Please reconsider your position here. Else, please express in more detail then what I must change with the entirety of this map in order to move it towards the ranking process.

Last edited by I Must Decrease 2017-02-20T22:45:17+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

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Eir_DELETED 2017-02-21T10:56:16+00:00

fixed some stuff about sharp flow thanks :3

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Sharkie

343 posts

Joined May 2014

Sharkie 2017-02-21T21:36:47+00:00

hah lol bad mapper= bad modder me irl

Uh, I'd argue its pretty unique. "A Feather" doesn't really look like any maps I've seen. There's only one thing I'd like to point out, I'm sure you've considered it, in places like 01:30:420 - 01:40:420 - 01:42:920 - there is a snare "Ghost Note" there. Often times, (Because I play percussion in a jazz band) to add a lil bit of ~style~ into playing ostinato rhythm (or "grooves"), percussionists would add Ghost Note Rolls into their grooves, which are the 2 very soft snare hits before the downbeat in this song's case. In other songs it could be 3, 4, even 5 notes (usually 16th notes or 1/4, could also be 1/6). 01:42:842 - 01:42:920 -This, for example.
I know that mapping it would ruin your structure cuz you'd have to move stuff around and its already a great map sooo... Just wanted to point it out for future reference.
lol sharkie is dumb
Akitoshi senpai notice me

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

390 posts

Joined March 2016

Naxess 2017-02-25T03:00:22+00:00

Greetings

[General]

01:52:686 - Would've just silenced the end of the spinner, not really complementing the song in any way from what I can hear.

[Easy]
00:12:374 - 00:22:374 - So I know changing rhythm for these may be difficult and all without getting awkward rhythms, but I'd have still tried mixing it up slightly. For the latter example I'd use circles instead of a slider. It's not like the player will be unable to predict it or somehow feel it uncomfortable, since all those repeats indicated it previously. tbh probably worth bringing some variance here anyway since it's all the same for literally the first 20 seconds. As long as you're not clicking on the blue ticks it should be fine.
00:59:874 (3,1,2,3) - Could probably balance this intersection a bit better.

[Akitoshi's Normal]
That's a lot of 1/1 1/4 gap 1/1 1/4 gap circle rhythms lol. Otherwise there's opportunities for things like this or this, but they'd need to be equally assigned throughout the sections. Alternatively you could just take some rhythm from the other diffs and then strip it down to where it would fit a normal for other references. Would take some work to implement this properly, though, and if you feel like the difficulty in it's current state is the end result you want to contribute to this set, then I'd be fine with that as well.

[joker's Hard]
00:24:561 (4) - Would reflect the song better if these sliders turned where an audible sound could be heard. In this case at 00:24:874 - . atm they just seem a bit random and unrelated.
00:25:811 (2) - Slider shapes are a bit unsymmetrical and not exactly visually pleasing, would try making the end and start curve more balanced. You can check this easily by copy-pasting flipping it over both axes and then stacking it as done in the picture. Personally I think it looks better that way.
00:53:467 (2) - Not quite sure I agree with this rhythm choice. There may be a slight sound from vocals and all, but in these cases, try removing the note and see if things still hang together. I'm fine with this type of overmapping as long as it doesn't forcefully change the flow and stuff. Try unstacking 00:52:999 (1,3) - and then stacking (2) and (3) instead. Same goes for 00:58:467 (2) - . You may argue that it emphasizes the sound after the circle, but keep in mind that the stress is still on the circle itself, so in the end it doesn't quite make sense. Not to speak of that it's inconsistent with 00:43:467 - 00:48:467 - . Could just remove them otherwise, would probably be best tbh.
01:01:749 (1) - I know this combo still works, but could move it to 01:02:217 - to visually emphasize the vocals and allow that star pattern to stand out more.
01:12:374 (5,6,7,8,1) - Would try keeping the spacing here consistent with 01:22:374 (5,6,7,8,1) - .
01:37:217 - Pretty clear drum sound here, could change the rhythm a bit to account for it in some way.

[Anxient's Insane]
Alright so I looked at this map earlier and basically it looks too similar all over. I appreciate your design choices and all, but would be nice if different sections of the song, that sound different, would be represented different visually as well. Not really sure I approve of the current way it's done is the thing.
Could still keep the whole straight slider concept by tilting some section by 45 degrees or something or only having horizontal in one and then vetical and- you get the idea. Just ideas, you can do whatever you want with this.
00:25:499 (1,2) - Also I'd be careful of obscuring repeats like this. In the default experience of the game you'll see a giant 300 or 100 over it even after it's done, which is why the RC states that these should be avoided specifically.
I'll recheck this later if necessary.

[Kisses' Extra]
00:14:874 (4,5) - Some of these flows in the beginning seem a bit misleading and contradictory. May be your intention for some notes like 00:13:936 (4,1,2,3) - but it just seems a bit unnecessarily excessive here. Literally if you just rotated these the other way it would flow much better into the next downbeat.
00:27:842 - Interesting way to force mouse movement, but having the player click on it may not be the best since there's no direct impact or vocal here. Could instead make the slider force a sharper flow instead for emphasis like you did with 00:23:624 (2,1) - 00:24:874 (2,1) - . Or if you really want emphasis here, make the two vocals at 00:27:374 - 00:27:686 - separate notes with possible 1/4 sliders involved, as was done at 00:32:374 (2,3) - .
00:41:749 (1) - See no reason for this to be so far away from (3). Bringing some spacing between 00:41:749 (1,2) - by stacking 00:41:280 (2,1) - would probably be more appropriate. Could do some spaced stack if you want it to be more readable.
01:46:905 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1) - Pretty sure other nominators are going to be concerned about the structure of things. These jumps, for example, could probably use some more elaborate placement, like making a triangle out of 01:47:061 (3,4,2) - and then avoid unintentional overlaps and stuff 01:46:592 (1,1) - .
Seems like flow is changing very frequently in some parts but not for others that are similar, will probably return to give some examples if I find it a problem. Would be helpful to know what your thought process behind it is either way.

Will probably return to check things in closer detail, but for now I'd like to see how things are responded to.

Anxient

1,573 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-02-25T05:24:58+00:00

Naxess wrote:
[Anxient's Insane]
[*]Alright so I looked at this map earlier and basically it looks too similar all over. I appreciate your design choices and all, but would be nice if different sections of the song, that sound different, would be represented different visually as well. Not really sure I approve of the current way it's done is the thing. - i see. well personally i really dont think this is a problem, but if i really have to i guess ill go curve a few sliders at necessary points.
[*]Could still keep the whole straight slider concept by tilting some section by 45 degrees or something or only having horizontal in one and then vetical and- you get the idea. Just ideas, you can do whatever you want with this. - now this would be the part where i should put my foot down coz imo tilting any sliders really tilts me. like i just cant stand how there are some sliders that arent the same shape just coz of aesthetic. like if i were to tilt said slider, i wouldve done so while mapping it. but if i were to tilt it right now because it hinders ranking, sure it would fix the problem, but i wouldnt be happy about it. id legit scream my face off.
[*]00:25:499 (1,2) - Also I'd be careful of obscuring repeats like this. In the default experience of the game you'll see a giant 300 or 100 over it even after it's done, which is why the RC states that these should be avoided specifically. - yep. i get that alot. fixed.
[*]I'll recheck this later if necessary. - it will be necessary.

http://puu.sh/uiOFP/01684d1023.osu

lets see if this works.

Last edited by Anxient 2017-02-25T05:48:37+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Akitoshi

2,687 posts

Joined August 2014

Akitoshi 2017-02-25T05:33:24+00:00

@Naxess
I added some variation (circles for showing the most intense part of the song/kiai) on chorus instead as they are just repeating with non-chorus before. thank you!

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Eir_DELETED 2017-02-25T23:56:21+00:00

Naxess wrote:
Greetings
[joker's Hard]
00:24:561 (4) - Would reflect the song better if these sliders turned where an audible sound could be heard. In this case at 00:24:874 - . atm they just seem a bit random and unrelated.
00:25:811 (2) - Slider shapes are a bit unsymmetrical and not exactly visually pleasing, would try making the end and start curve more balanced. You can check this easily by copy-pasting flipping it over both axes and then stacking it as done in the picture. Personally I think it looks better that way.
00:53:467 (2) - Not quite sure I agree with this rhythm choice. There may be a slight sound from vocals and all, but in these cases, try removing the note and see if things still hang together. I'm fine with this type of overmapping as long as it doesn't forcefully change the flow and stuff. Try unstacking 00:52:999 (1,3) - and then stacking (2) and (3) instead. Same goes for 00:58:467 (2) - . You may argue that it emphasizes the sound after the circle, but keep in mind that the stress is still on the circle itself, so in the end it doesn't quite make sense. Not to speak of that it's inconsistent with 00:43:467 - 00:48:467 - . Could just remove them otherwise, would probably be best tbh.
01:01:749 (1) - I know this combo still works, but could move it to 01:02:217 - to visually emphasize the vocals and allow that star pattern to stand out more.
01:12:374 (5,6,7,8,1) - Would try keeping the spacing here consistent with 01:22:374 (5,6,7,8,1) - .
01:37:217 - Pretty clear drum sound here, could change the rhythm a bit to account for it in some way. i should dont need to take this sound cuz of i dont listen drum sound clearly
Will probably return to check things in closer detail, but for now I'd like to see how things are responded to.

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Thanks Naxess :3

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TitleUnicode:自由の翅
Artist:Hiromi Sato
ArtistUnicode:佐藤ひろ美
Creator:Xexxar
Version:joker's Hard
Source:月影のシミュラクル-解放の羽
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I Must Decrease

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I Must Decrease 2017-02-27T18:46:39+00:00

applied shit ingame with naxess

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_handholding 2017-02-27T23:23:44+00:00

Naxess wrote:
[Kisses' Extra]
[*]00:14:874 (4,5) - Some of these flows in the beginning seem a bit misleading and contradictory. May be your intention for some notes like 00:13:936 (4,1,2,3) - but it just seems a bit unnecessarily excessive here. Literally if you just rotated these the other way it would flow much better into the next downbeat. I like it how it is since a change in flow is a good emphasis
[*]00:27:842 - Interesting way to force mouse movement, but having the player click on it may not be the best since there's no direct impact or vocal here. Could instead make the slider force a sharper flow instead for emphasis like you did with 00:23:624 (2,1) - 00:24:874 (2,1) - . Or if you really want emphasis here, make the two vocals at 00:27:374 - 00:27:686 - separate notes with possible 1/4 sliders involved, as was done at 00:32:374 (2,3) - . No. I've done this in similar places in the map 00:47:842 (5) . I've been following the instruments here and I'm not changing to the vocals. The thing you pointed out earlier wasn't me following the vocals that was just variation. The pattern plays well, as well as following the music nicely
[*]00:41:749 (1) - See no reason for this to be so far away from (3). Bringing some spacing between 00:41:749 (1,2) - by stacking 00:41:280 (2,1) - would probably be more appropriate. Could do some spaced stack if you want it to be more readable.
[*]01:46:905 (2,3,4,1,2,1,2,1) - Pretty sure other nominators are going to be concerned about the structure of things. These jumps, for example, could probably use some more elaborate placement, like making a triangle out of 01:47:061 (3,4,2) - and then avoid unintentional overlaps and stuff 01:46:592 (1,1) - .
[*]Seems like flow is changing very frequently in some parts but not for others that are similar, will probably return to give some examples if I find it a problem. Would be helpful to know what your thought process behind it is either way.[/list]

Will probably return to check things in closer detail, but for now I'd like to see how things are responded to.

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TitleUnicode:自由の翅
Artist:Hiromi Sato
ArtistUnicode:佐藤ひろ美
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Source:月影のシミュラクル-解放の羽
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Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

390 posts

Joined March 2016

Naxess 2017-04-19T17:55:15+00:00

One Eternity Later

[Joker]

00:24:561 (4) - There's no 1/8 here, vocal impacts on the red tick.

[Anxient]
The way you decided to change some sliders in accordance to the song ended up allowing for better differentiation between sections, so gj on that.
00:03:467 (2,3) - 00:05:967 (2,3) - would be nice if they were consistent with 00:08:467 (2,3) - 00:10:967 (2,1) - 00:15:967 (2,1) - etc in terms of spacing. First two are considerably smaller than the rest, especially in comparison to something like 00:18:467 (2,3) - .
00:19:561 (2,3) - Similarly here, this is pretty different from 00:09:405 (2,3) - , consider just using Ctrl+G on 00:19:874 (3) - or something along those lines.
In general, the part at 00:16:451 - is way less dense than the one at 01:30:796 - for whatever reason, despite being the same musically. First part is full of 1/1 and plenty of pauses while second has 1/2 all over with frequent 1/4s. Other diffs in the set reflect the similarity between these sections, but the way it's done here is kind of questionable. Could try using the same density as in the first part, for example, as this will create contrast for kiai while keeping consistency.

[Kisses]
Flow won't really create much emphasis in this case since it's being broken pretty much all over and in different ways each time, but going to assume it's part of the way the map is supposed to play, as it does seem intentional. Something I noticed while taking a break from the set is that it's working more as a theme rather than as prominence. Either way works, though, I suppose.
00:09:092 (1,2,3) - Could turn this into something more like 00:19:092 (1,2,3) - or 01:34:092 (1,2) - by using Ctrl+G on 00:09:405 (2) - . Mainly just for the spacing between 00:09:405 (2,3) - as it's a jump throughout otherwise; 00:19:405 (2,3) - 01:34:405 (2,3) - 01:44:405 (2,3) - etc.
01:04:717 (3,4,5,6,7) - 01:14:717 (3,4,5,6,7) - Could at least make spacing relatively consistent rather than having something like 01:04:717 (3,4,5) - in the first and 01:14:717 (3,4,5) - in the second. Try changing 01:04:717 (3,4,5) - into something along these lines.

@MrSergio I've looked through the pop, but I can't really say I agree with it for the same reasons Shiirn and Xexxar expressed. While I do understand the points brought up, it seems more to me like a different way to map the same song, and not necessarily an improvement upon the set as a whole. In the mod some points mentioned that visuals were different between similar parts of the song, for example, but I can see sufficient amounts of correlations between the principles and concepts of the patterns in question, in terms of how objects interact, to believe it is still structurally consistent. My thoughts on the subject mostly coincide with what was mentioned previously, however, as it stands currently. You are obviously free to maintain the veto and have no obligation to reply as per usual. Simply leaving this here for now in case further discussion commences.

Anxient

1,573 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-04-20T01:37:02+00:00

Naxess wrote:
One Eternity Later

[Anxient]
The way you decided to change some sliders in accordance to the song ended up allowing for better differentiation between sections, so gj on that. - i worked hard on it
[*]00:03:467 (2,3) - 00:05:967 (2,3) - would be nice if they were consistent with 00:08:467 (2,3) - 00:10:967 (2,1) - 00:15:967 (2,1) - etc in terms of spacing. -
First two are considerably smaller than the rest, especially in comparison to something like 00:18:467 (2,3) - . - that would be nice actually, increased the jumps by a small amount, since its still early in the song and i dont wanna overwhelm the player
[*]00:19:561 (2,3) - Similarly here, this is pretty different from 00:09:405 (2,3) - , consider just using Ctrl+G on 00:19:874 (3) - or something along those lines. - goctha. i also 00:09:405 (2) - ctrl g this coz it was playing rather weirdly.
[*]In general, the part at 00:16:451 - is way less dense than the one at 01:30:796 - for whatever reason, despite being the same musically. First part is full of 1/1 and plenty of pauses while second has 1/2 all over with frequent 1/4s. Other diffs in the set reflect the similarity between these sections, but the way it's done here is kind of questionable. Could try using the same density as in the first part, for example, as this will create contrast for kiai while keeping consistency. - personally, i think its going to be fine. think of it as the map is getting harder. btw, i dont see the 1/4s .-.

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_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-04-20T15:08:22+00:00

I'll try to reply in less than 48 hrs, I have 3 other gds to fix first

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-04-22T02:30:04+00:00

hi friendly mod

A feather

Rhythms & Patterns
00:54:819 (3) - this angle is really sharp, with the flow you're using it may work but as a lead-in it could definitely use improvements, either by ctrl + G'ing this slider or 00:54:569 (1,2) - these two circles, I'd suggest the circles (and then maybe adjust their position a little for smoother movement) since it would match the ensuing circular flow you create with the sliders
00:56:319 (1,2) - This angle is really awkward, try moving 00:56:319 (1) - to somewhere around x500 y251 and 00:56:444 (2) - to around x459 y36, it would both flow better and better match the pitch shift of the guitars (I assume you're trying to accentuate those because of the NC)
00:57:319 (5,1) - Return sliders are hold sliders, so adding a circle in a linear momentum from the return slider's lead-in pattern (which would be this 00:57:069 (4) - ) is counter-intuitive, try stacking 00:57:569 (1) - on top of 00:56:444 (2) - (after applying the previous mod) and then placing 00:57:694 (2) - around x147 y66
00:58:069 (4,5,1) - Sharpen this triangle maybe? The angle seems really weak here and it doesn't seem to match the music or the movement you were going for
00:59:319 (5) - Try moving this more to the right so it doesn't overlap with 00:58:569 (1) - and see how that looks
01:00:569 (1) - Maybe move this back to x363 y42? The angle seems uncomfortably sharp here
01:04:569 (1) - Why not do this more like so?
01:06:069 (4,5) - Try making this jump a bit bigger so the angle from (5) to 01:06:319 (1) - becomes less awkward
01:07:569 (1,2,3) - Something like this seems like it would match your previous movements a lot better
01:08:069 (4,5,1,2) - Eh this angle is really really awkward and counterintuitive, I would suggest something here but I think in this case it's best to let you work something out in your own way
01:36:256 (2) - This note seems unnecessary, just leaving the patterns as two sliders would make it for a good minor break so as to not murder the player's stamina at a redundant spot (especially amidst such a heavy stream)
01:38:256 (2) - ^ (by the way, the reason I didn't suggest it for similar previous examples is because it fit there, while less so here)
01:44:819 (2,3,4) - Try making this triangle more even
02:05:131 (2) - Return slider on a blue tick, why ;_; just remove the hitcircle before it lol
02:15:819 (1) - Why an NC here instead of 02:16:069 (2) - Here like in previous and ensuing similar patterns? Makes it look sloppy
02:32:444 (2,1) - This is super awkward, try placing 02:32:444 (2) - on x100 y72
02:34:444 (2,1) - ^ ;_; try placing 02:34:444 (2) - at x111 y13
02:34:944 (3) - x243 y382
03:34:690 (1,2,3) - I'm sure you could improve the aesthetics here
03:52:940 (2,3,1,2) - These circles seem kind of randomly placed, what was the reasoning behind them?
04:11:846 (1) - Ctrl + G and then 04:12:086 (2) - ctrl + G this too
Note: Overall I think the calm section didn't have enough thought put into it and could really use massive improvements or a remap. That's just my opinion on it.
04:28:406 (2) - Try placing this a little lower
04:29:006 (2) - See how it works when you move this to x166 y215 and 04:29:126 (3) - ctrl + G this
04:29:486 (1) - Try moving this to x259 y306 and then 04:29:726 (3) - this to x255 y192
04:30:926 (2) - ^x271 y17
04:31:526 (1,2,3,4) - Ctrl + G
04:32:366 (4) - x322 y5 and then 04:32:006 (1,2) - ctrl + G this
04:34:886 (1,2) - I highly suggest increasing the spacing between these
04:35:846 (1,2) - ^
04:42:326 (1,2) - ^Except decrease it
04:47:726 (3) - x278 y130
04:49:286 (1) - Maybe this would work better?
05:28:646 (1,2) - Ctrl + G
05:29:126 (1,2) - ^
05:45:926 (1,2,3) - Try placing this a little further to the left for preventing possible overlaps
05:48:806 (1,2) - Ctrl + G
05:57:686 (3,4,5,6,1) - Better to leave this a triple for consistency's sake
06:26:094 (5) - Ctrl + G
06:27:808 (5) - ^
06:29:951 (3) - ^
06:30:379 (4) - ^
06:30:808 (1) - Maybe this and 06:31:237 (2) - this too but up to you
06:47:629 (2) - This overlap doesn't seem like a good idea
06:52:879 (2) - x256 y28?
06:58:129 (1) - x424 y52 for better blanket
07:00:808 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Are you sure you want this straight like this? It could be a lot gayer cooler if you did something fancy with the aesthetics while maintaining equal playability (i.e. a highway stream)
07:11:897 (2) - x114 y335
07:24:397 (3) - Angle this downwards instead?
07:47:522 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - This stream's aesthetics could definitely see improvement
07:48:522 (1) - The part after this I feel the same way about as the aforementioned calm part
08:10:272 (6) - Ctrl + G

Hitsounds
08:04:522 (1) - This is way too loud
Other than that, hitsounds are pretty nice, good work!

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-04-22T02:41:04+00:00

kisses

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Seijiro

osu! Alumni

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Seijiro 2017-04-22T08:15:48+00:00

so do I really have to remind you guys to respect the Code of Conduct?
If you have something to say you can say it without trying to be aggressive, thanks.

Also, stay on topic. Just because someone shitposts it doesn't mean you need to hop on the bandwagon

Ultima Fox

621 posts

Joined August 2013

Ultima Fox 2017-04-22T18:32:48+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
so do I really have to remind you guys to respect the Code of Conduct?
If you have something to say you can say it without trying to be aggressive, thanks.

I understand you're trying to keep this thread hate and drama free, but I don't see how you can say something like this after you disrespected the mappers involved, saying that it looks like its their first time ranking a map. Don't you think that goes against the Code of Conduct? I'm not going to say anything about the pop's reasoning and such (even though I disagree, it's pretty much been settled and its none of my business) but I just felt the need to say something about this.

_handholding

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Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-04-22T19:17:31+00:00

He wasn't meaning to cause offence (to some extent). We all know each other quite well and Sergio, as a BN, was doing his job when it comes to making sure mapsets aren't lacking in quality when they hit the qualified section.

Foxy Grandpa

715 posts

Joined January 2015

Foxy Grandpa 2017-04-22T19:33:39+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
Anyway, if you want me to spend a few days making screens out of this mapset trying to explain what you guys tried to do (which, as far as I can tell, isn't that much anyway considering your patterns) I could, but I don't want to tbh.
I'm saying all this because I would expect more from experienced mappers like you (for sure Kisses, Akitoshi, Xexxar and Anxient have ranked maps, dunno about joker, but it doesn't change much my statement).
This sort of attempt could have been decent as a "first time trying to rank a map" imo, but not now, sorry.

I don't know about you but if i were a BN I wouldn't be calling another BNs mapset an attempt as a first time trying to rank a map

_handholding

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Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-04-22T19:37:19+00:00

Stop going at Sergio especially when that issue was over a month ago

k thnx

Ultima Fox

621 posts

Joined August 2013

Ultima Fox 2017-04-22T19:38:01+00:00

nvm, if you insist

edited because we posted at the same time lol

I Must Decrease

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Topic Starter

I Must Decrease 2017-04-22T22:18:01+00:00

I would agree with Ultima Fox that it was rude and uncalled for, but that is in the past.

Ultima Fox

621 posts

Joined August 2013

Ultima Fox 2017-04-22T22:37:34+00:00

I understand, sorry for all the trouble

Anxient

1,573 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-04-23T13:00:01+00:00

owright then

removed the 1/8 notes for the greater good http://puu.sh/vtwBO/4e566b9d4c.osu

defiance

503 posts

Joined July 2015

defiance 2017-04-24T04:33:29+00:00

when will i get a proper response to my mod

I Must Decrease

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I Must Decrease 2017-04-24T05:08:07+00:00

osuskrub wrote:
when will i get a proper response to my mod

when the apparition gets DQ'd

Net0

Beatmap Nominator

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Joined October 2014

Net0 2017-04-24T06:33:44+00:00

Hey suggestions after testplaying and discussing this mapset on #modhelp

[

A Feather]

Currently you have this two variations here 00:06:592 (1,2,3,4,5) - /00:16:592 (1,2,3,4,5) - even tho you did a bit of copy paste here, 00:07:061 (3,4,5) - flows in a different way compared to this 00:17:061 (3,4,5) - because of how the slider 00:17:374 (5) - is designed. I think that consistency is one of your main concerns in this map, and you did 00:17:374 (5) - so it could look aesthetic with the blanket here 00:16:905 (2) - but you could adjust one of this sections so they're similar, or you can re-work the second so it is actually a bit more different and distinct. If you want to make it more consistent you can ctrol+j this slider 00:07:374 (5) - and just place it on the same place there changing only the slider angle, or if you want to make them different, you can change the position of 00:17:217 (4) - - You could try stacking this with this slider end here 00:16:592 (1) - so that the flow is different. Either way I believe could work.
00:22:999 (1,2) - and 00:25:655 (3,4) - . I don't like making stacks with different rhythm in a small amount of time on the map. If your mapping is aimed towards being generic and simple, this is actually misleading. I mean you can easily apply a logic for 1/4 overlaps and 1/2 stacks or the other way. If you think that you did it consistently with the other sections and the gap is not so small, at least check the stacks done here 00:37:999 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . This are on the same combo.
I'm surprised you didn't blanket this 00:59:092 (1,3) - or made them parallel straight slider inverted. Sure you wanna keep it like that since you like a e s t h e t i c s. Another thing worth mentioning is that you copy paste slider didn’t blanket the best here 00:59:561 (3) -/ 01:00:186 (5) - . You should probably change this one 01:00:186 (5) – to blanket better and then copy paste it here 00:59:874 (4) -.
01:11:905 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) -/ 01:14:405 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -/ 01:26:436 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) – Interesting flow alternation in the middle of the jump sections. You pretty much broke down the sections into 01:11:592 (1,2,3,4,1) – counter clock-wise -> 01:12:374 (1,2,3,4,1) – clock wise. Here the movement was entirely clock-wise 01:14:405 (2,3,4,5,6,7) – changing only on the connection 01:15:342 (7,1) – to a counter-clockwise because of the slider. The final section changes 3 times 01:25:499 (1,2,3,4,5) – counter clockwise -> 01:26:436 (1,2) – clockwise broke -> 01:26:592 (2,3,4,5) – counter clockwise ->clock wise 01:27:217 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - . Honestly to me it’s a bit random how you organize this, but it’s not like you need to give deep thought over it. I’ll only suggest that the second section change the flow in the middle of the jump pattern too. I’d break the flow here 01:15:030 (5,6,7,1) – into a counter-clockwise direction. This is just an example that I did rotating this 01:15:342 (7,1) – 180º flip of how it would flow;
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7909055
Overall just like I said, it’s a generic map. I’ve seen tons of maps that looks similar to this one from various mappers and all of them are fine to me considering the context of wanting to be like that. As long as you respect those who think otherwise, I don’t see a reason why this was said to not fit the RC and/or quality standards for ranked section. I don’t like this map, but it’s well done inside its own structure idea and therefore I don’t a see a main issue to stop this going further into ranking.

GL and I prefer your old maps.

I Must Decrease

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I Must Decrease 2017-04-28T16:45:23+00:00

Net0 wrote:
Hey suggestions after testplaying and discussing this mapset on #modhelp

[A Feather]
Currently you have this two variations here 00:06:592 (1,2,3,4,5) - /00:16:592 (1,2,3,4,5) - even tho you did a bit of copy paste here, 00:07:061 (3,4,5) - flows in a different way compared to this 00:17:061 (3,4,5) - because of how the slider 00:17:374 (5) - is designed. I think that consistency is one of your main concerns in this map, and you did 00:17:374 (5) - so it could look aesthetic with the blanket here 00:16:905 (2) - but you could adjust one of this sections so they're similar, or you can re-work the second so it is actually a bit more different and distinct. If you want to make it more consistent you can ctrol+j this slider 00:07:374 (5) - and just place it on the same place there changing only the slider angle, or if you want to make them different, you can change the position of 00:17:217 (4) - - You could try stacking this with this slider end here 00:16:592 (1) - so that the flow is different. Either way I believe could work. i really find this to be minor, sorry but i think its fine as is.

00:22:999 (1,2) - and 00:25:655 (3,4) - . I don't like making stacks with different rhythm in a small amount of time on the map. If your mapping is aimed towards being generic and simple, this is actually misleading. I mean you can easily apply a logic for 1/4 overlaps and 1/2 stacks or the other way. If you think that you did it consistently with the other sections and the gap is not so small, at least check the stacks done here 00:37:999 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . This are on the same combo. fixed last stack in same nc

I'm surprised you didn't blanket this 00:59:092 (1,3) - or made them parallel straight slider inverted. Sure you wanna keep it like that since you like a e s t h e t i c s. Another thing worth mentioning is that you copy paste slider didn’t blanket the best here 00:59:561 (3) -/ 01:00:186 (5) - . You should probably change this one 01:00:186 (5) – to blanket better and then copy paste it here 00:59:874 (4) -. fixed by stacking w1
01:11:905 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) -/ 01:14:405 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) -/ 01:26:436 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) – Interesting flow alternation in the middle of the jump sections. You pretty much broke down the sections into 01:11:592 (1,2,3,4,1) – counter clock-wise -> 01:12:374 (1,2,3,4,1) – clock wise. Here the movement was entirely clock-wise 01:14:405 (2,3,4,5,6,7) – changing only on the connection 01:15:342 (7,1) – to a counter-clockwise because of the slider. The final section changes 3 times 01:25:499 (1,2,3,4,5) – counter clockwise -> 01:26:436 (1,2) – clockwise broke -> 01:26:592 (2,3,4,5) – counter clockwise ->clock wise 01:27:217 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - . Honestly to me it’s a bit random how you organize this, but it’s not like you need to give deep thought over it. I’ll only suggest that the second section change the flow in the middle of the jump pattern too. I’d break the flow here 01:15:030 (5,6,7,1) – into a counter-clockwise direction. This is just an example that I did rotating this 01:15:342 (7,1) – 180º flip of how it would flow;
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7909055 flow wasnt a huge theme in my map but i think the vocals section is fine with the way it flows currently.
Overall just like I said, it’s a generic map. I’ve seen tons of maps that looks similar to this one from various mappers and all of them are fine to me considering the context of wanting to be like that. As long as you respect those who think otherwise, I don’t see a reason why this was said to not fit the RC and/or quality standards for ranked section. I don’t like this map, but it’s well done inside its own structure idea and therefore I don’t a see a main issue to stop this going further into ranking.

GL and I prefer your old maps.

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

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Naxess 2017-04-28T18:37:22+00:00

Went through the set again, along with the mods posted, seems like it's ready.
Also Xexxar spoke with MrSergio beforehand to confirm that discussion is settled.

I Must Decrease

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I Must Decrease 2017-04-28T18:58:55+00:00

MrSergio wrote:
Once this happens, Tomori can't bubble again, but if someone disagrees with my opinion he just needs a "I disagree with Sergio" and can bubble again as far as I'm concerned.

this as well

pishifat

osu! Paragon

3,812 posts

Joined August 2013

pishifat 2017-04-29T19:06:32+00:00

01:04:092 (1) - hitsoundingl ike 01:06:592 (1) - 01:09:092 (1) - 01:14:092 (1) - etc

anxient
concerns that apply like everywhere throughout the map:
first, try to like be more consistent with your comboing. taking the intro bit for example, you repeat the same rhythms, yet you use different comboing arrangements for reasons i can't really understand

just stick to one of them (the second being ideal)

next, your differentiation between 1/2 and 1/4 gaps sucks bigtime (aka you're not differentiating them at all in some places). if 1/2 is visually the same as 1/4, like 00:19:874 (3,1) - 00:24:561 (2,3) - 00:28:311 (1,2) - etc you'll want to either make spacing larger like 00:14:874 (3,1) - or stacked like 00:57:999 (1,2) - . stuff like 00:55:499 (1,2,1) - is exactly what you'd want to avoid

last, try to make differences in the song clearer between the intro and 00:22:999 (1) - up through the kiai. rhythm is okay, but spacing/sv in the calm sections are like the same as the intro, while they'd be more appropriate if they were smaller/slower. the intro also being lower sv than 00:42:999 (1) - is kinda lol. would make sense to be 1.5x like the kiai, instead of equal/slower than the less intense sections of the song

Anxient

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Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-04-30T06:27:48+00:00

Will probably remap, no use trying to save a sinking diff. Has discussed with xxr

Seijiro

osu! Alumni

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Seijiro 2017-04-30T11:59:29+00:00

Xexxar wrote:
MrSergio wrote:
Once this happens, Tomori can't bubble again, but if someone disagrees with my opinion he just needs a "I disagree with Sergio" and can bubble again as far as I'm concerned.
this as well

*as long as there is a clear reason.

And Naxess seems to have provided it... iirc

Anxient

1,573 posts

Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-05-03T10:47:55+00:00

pishifat wrote:
<mod cc'd by xexxar>

http://puu.sh/vE8q3/31fde52dde.osu

applied

Naxess

Nomination Assessment Team

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Joined March 2016

Naxess 2017-05-03T19:27:29+00:00

[Anxient]

00:03:624 (3,4) - I know that this may stop momentum and then make 00:03:936 (5) - feel more emphasized in terms of how quickly the player has to accelerate to get it back, but this will basically lead to a constant and frequent need to completely stop and then suddenly speed up again throughout the map, thus one of the reasons why I don't think this pattern will be fun to play.

Secondly, in terms of rhythm, you'll basically be clicking on what sounds like silence in comparison to the other sounds in the vicinity, as 00:03:780 - is audibly weaker than both 00:03:624 - and 00:03:936 - . This in turn sort of kills the accentuation that 00:03:936 (5) - would otherwise hold rhythmically, as it doesn't stand out in context due to a lack of contrast.

Lastly, having the spacing from (4) to (5) in each of these patterns noticeably different wouldn't exactly help it's chances. Especially not when the pattern relies on having the player accelerate the cursor afterwards to reach the following circle. Take a look at 00:03:780 (4,5) - 00:08:780 (4,5) - 00:11:280 (4,5) - , for example.

It is consistent, and it does bring something different to the table, so it has that going for it, but in my opinion it doesn't outweigh the reasons as to why I'd be against this, which is why I'd suggest you to change this. An alternative is to simply use a 1/2 slider instead, like I believe you had in the previous iteration of the map iirc, and which you also start using after 00:12:999 - .
00:14:405 (2,3,4) - 00:16:905 (2,3,4) - After the first hypermeasure, a second, and basically identical pattern, was introduced for what would respectively be 00:04:405 (2,3) - 00:06:905 (2,3) - in the first.

It would probably be a better idea to simply stack 00:17:061 (3,4) - instead, as these are more similar to each other than 00:16:905 (2,3) - are. I don't think increasing momentum on only the second of two same sounds would make much sense.

Considering that the first hypermeasure uses a visually identical pattern for different parts of the song, this may lead to confusion with the usage when transitioning between the two, bringing unwarranted contrast between the two analogous sections, as the second is used noticeably different from the first.

What I'd suggest you do instead is to consistently vary between this way and another for these sounds, for example using a 1212 pattern rather than a 1122 pattern, making the contrast between the two lower at the same time as keeping it diverse and fresh in gameplay.

Some other stuff:
00:24:249 (1,2,1,2) - Don't think you should repeat the same pattern for something that doesn't sound similar. Goes for 00:29:249 (1,2,1,2) - 00:34:249 (1,2,1,2) - 00:39:249 (1,2,1,2) - etc as well. There's also the spacing between 00:24:561 (2,1) - and it's respective time distance to consider when doing this. It's an interesting concept, but I wouldn't say it fits the song.
00:59:092 (1,2) - Swap these rhythmically, you're ending a slider on 00:59:405 - , which is stronger than where it begins, 00:59:249 - .
01:10:186 - Two circles here feels a bit unnecessary. Could otherwise make this different from the previous note by using the two drums from 01:09:561 (2) - to justify a single circle at 01:09:874 - , followed by a 1/2 slider here. Or, you know, just do it like 01:19:874 (4,5) - was done. Applies for 01:42:374 (1,2,3) - as well, wherein you'll notice the NCing is different too.
01:34:092 - This is syncopation, and therefore deserves to be emphasized more than 01:34:249 - . Would've just turned it into a 1/2 slider. If anything should be more than just a single click it'd be 01:34:404 (3) - , not this.
This whole last section also doesn't use any of the concepts which the first two used. Not that it's a big issue, but it would improve the consistency of the map if this was the case.

Anxient

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Joined June 2014

Anxient 2017-05-03T19:48:49+00:00

woah

Naxess wrote:

[Anxient]
00:03:624 (3,4) - I know that this may stop momentum and then make 00:03:936 (5) - feel more emphasized in terms of how quickly the player has to accelerate to get it back, but this will basically lead to a constant and frequent need to completely stop and then suddenly speed up again throughout the map, thus one of the reasons why I don't think this pattern will be fun to play. - made the pattern flow continuously instead of that stop --> continue motion i had.

Secondly, in terms of rhythm, you'll basically be clicking on what sounds like silence in comparison to the other sounds in the vicinity, as 00:03:780 - is audibly weaker than both 00:03:624 - and 00:03:936 - . This in turn sort of kills the accentuation that 00:03:936 (5) - would otherwise hold rhythmically, as it doesn't stand out in context due to a lack of contrast. - i didnt understand a thing you just said, but im sure its something about emphasis on that part that had small sound. hopefully my fix fixed it

Lastly, having the spacing from (4) to (5) in each of these patterns noticeably different wouldn't exactly help it's chances. Especially not when the pattern relies on having the player accelerate the cursor afterwards to reach the following circle. Take a look at 00:03:780 (4,5) - 00:08:780 (4,5) - 00:11:280 (4,5) - , for example.

It is consistent, and it does bring something different to the table, so it has that going for it, but in my opinion it doesn't outweigh the reasons as to why I'd be against this, which is why I'd suggest you to change this. An alternative is to simply use a 1/2 slider instead, like I believe you had in the previous iteration of the map iirc, and which you also start using after 00:12:999 - . - man if being a BN meant having to get used to formal speech then i better get working.

00:14:405 (2,3,4) - 00:16:905 (2,3,4) - After the first hypermeasure, a second, and basically identical pattern, was introduced for what would respectively be 00:04:405 (2,3) - 00:06:905 (2,3) - in the first. - whats a hypermeasure?

It would probably be a better idea to simply stack 00:17:061 (3,4) - instead, as these are more similar to each other than 00:16:905 (2,3) - are. I don't think increasing momentum on only the second of two same sounds wouldn't make much sense. - mm yeah ok. applied. actually considered 00:14:405 (2,3,4) - making this a back and forth pattern but i was like ~eh.

Considering that the first hypermeasure uses a visually identical pattern for different parts of the song, this may lead to confusion with the usage when transitioning between the two, bringing unwarranted contrast between the two analogous sections, as the second is used noticeably different from the first.

What I'd suggest you do instead is to consistently vary between this way and another for these sounds, for example using a 1212 pattern rather than a 1122 pattern, making the contrast between the two lower at the same time as keeping it diverse and fresh in gameplay.

Some other stuff:
00:24:249 (1,2,1,2) - Don't think you should repeat the same pattern for something that doesn't sound similar. Goes for 00:29:249 (1,2,1,2) - 00:34:249 (1,2,1,2) - 00:39:249 (1,2,1,2) - etc as well. There's also the spacing between 00:24:561 (2,1) - and it's respective time distance to consider when doing this. It's an interesting concept, but I wouldn't say it fits the song. - i think the timeline gap between those two notes are wide enough for the diff to not be misread by anyone. plus, about the thing about saying it doesnt fit the song, sure it doesnt sound the same vocally, but the instrumentals are nearly the same, save for pitch changes. thats why theyre not perfectly stacked. hopefully i can keep this concept since this was my favorite part of the map...
00:59:092 (1,2) - Swap these rhythmically, you're ending a slider on 00:59:405 - , which is stronger than where it begins, 00:59:249 - . roger roger
01:10:186 - Two circles here feels a bit unnecessary. Could otherwise make this different from the previous note by using the two drums from 01:09:561 (2) - to justify a single circle at 01:09:874 - , followed by a 1/2 slider here. Or, you know, just do it like 01:19:874 (4,5) - was done. Applies for 01:42:374 (1,2,3) - as well, wherein you'll notice the NCing is different too. - man i just wished these mods looked easier to type out.
01:34:092 - This is syncopation, and therefore deserves to be emphasized more than 01:34:249 - . Would've just turned it into a 1/2 slider. If anything should be more than just a single click it'd be 01:34:404 (3) - , not this. - i made it a single click (1/2 slider). what is syncopation though...?
This whole last section also doesn't use any of the concepts which the first two used. Not that it's a big issue, but it would improve the consistency of the map if this was the case.

this was hard to look at.

http://puu.sh/vEyVQ/a5f29f7506.osu

Monstrata

Elite Mapper: Aspirant

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Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2017-05-12T02:14:06+00:00

Left

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Left 2017-06-02T09:59:44+00:00

gogo

Monstrata

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Joined May 2013

Monstrata 2017-06-05T00:33:57+00:00

Feather

00:19:874 (5) - Get some emphasis on this note xd
00:59:092 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - The flow is good until 5 xP. Do something rotational isntead?

~

01:19:561 (3,4,5) - Not a good flow too. Just use rotational instead.

~

01:30:499 (1,2,3,4,1) - Yea, your flowchoice is quite weird sometimes. Here you can't use rotational flow cuz 1>2>3 creates a triangle. Compare the movement to: 01:27:999 (1,2,3,4,1) -

Doormat

00:22:374 (2,3,4,1) - Maybe use more circles here? The rhythm feels just like the rest of the intro with the lack of circles atm. But there are more beats here in the music. 00:21:592 (1) - Could make this more complex too maybe
01:05:342 (6,7,1) - 01:07:842 (5,6,1) - Just remove the triplets You forget to map them later on the chorus anyways, and its better to remove imo cuz they sound overmapped anyways, like the blue tick is si insignificant imo

joker's Hard

01:12:999 (1,2,3) - Spacing seems slightly off here.
01:15:499 (1,2,3) - Same, but maybe this is intentional? idk
01:22:999 (1,2,3,4) - You could make the structure a bit better here.

~

Easy

The 0.90x SV section was kinda random lol. It's so small i doubt players will notice it, but whatever.

Doormat

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Joined September 2013

Doormat 2017-06-05T05:31:43+00:00

@Monstrata added some more circles at 00:22:374 - and i removed the triples you pointed out. thanks~

https://drmt.s-ul.eu/Oe4XFFdb

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Eir_DELETED 2017-06-05T12:58:37+00:00

Monstrata wrote:
Feather

joker's Hard

01:12:999 (1,2,3) - Spacing seems slightly off here. nice
01:15:499 (1,2,3) - Same, but maybe this is intentional? idk okay
01:22:999 (1,2,3,4) - You could make the structure a bit better here. adjusted it i guess
~

thanks Monstrata~

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