1. Combo color 1 & 3 looks similar make them different
2. Remove Kurisuchianu, kuri, & kazukisinx from tags
3. The red combo color you write on the op is too misleading. The reason are:
   First, you're only using it on Insane but there's also a 1/6 & 1/8 on Hard too even if it's not as many as Insane.
   Second, (this is the most important) you're using one color to specify to beat snap. This is downright confusing for player, they have to think whether the stream they see on Insane is 1/6 or 1/8 and this is just too tedious and confusing. Use a different color for 1/6 or just use red for 1/8, leave the 1/6 to a default combo color you use

1. 02:00:785 - Use timing section to increase the volume of these section, around 60% or 70%. The current volume make it hard to listen to the normal the object's sound (except for the clap) because it's overpowered by the song
2. 03:07:012 (3) - If your clap pattern is 2/1 there's should be a clap on the start of this slider not on the repeat

1. 00:21:867 (5,1) - the pre-spinner notes is kinda surprising for a Normal diff level not to mention that it's short & quite close to the next object. I suggest to just remove 5 and start the spinner on it's place
2. 00:23:620 (1) - Move this close to the center a bit
3. 02:51:441 (1,2) - Kinda touch the score bar

1. 00:11:229 (1) - For better playability, it's better to unstack this. It's easier to see if you unstack it too
2. 00:55:101 (3,4,1) - Move these circles, 1 grid down & 1 grid right on grid level 4. This will adjust the blanket a bit
3. 01:19:915 (1) - Unnecessary NC, remove it
4. 02:02:679 (1) - This looks too much like a compressed slider rather than a slider, I can't even see the body. It plays better if you use circles instead

1. 00:05:317 (7,1) - Use the same spacing as the compressed stream before this. Because of the spacing I thought this is a 1/6
2. 00:06:640 (10) - No please, a 1/4 jump after the stream is just too tedious and doesn't flow well
3. 00:21:756 (16,1) - ^
4. 01:05:498 (1) - ^
5. 01:05:827 (1) - I don't hear anything on the music than can correspondence to this note in the music. I suggest to remove it or you can also remove 2 to give a small pause after the 1/6 slider
6. 01:36:968 (1,2,1) - Make this into the same combo set as you did on 01:43:190 (1,2,3,4,5)
7. 03:22:225 (2) - Flow better if you change this into circles
8. 03:42:003 (1,2,3) - These objects is like saying that you want the player to break their combo and then rage at it, they are very unexpected and surprising. Use normal spacing here

Sallad4ever wrote:

[General]

1. Combo color 1 & 3 looks similar make them different
   My original idea was to just 2 colours, but decided to spice things a bit more by using 4 colours y two pairs that looks very alike, so it's intended
2. Remove Kurisuchianu, kuri, & kazukisinx from tags
   Oops, totally forgot
3. The red combo color you write on the op is too misleading. The reason are:
   First, you're only using it on Insane but there's also a 1/6 & 1/8 on Hard too even if it's not as many as Insane.
   Second, (this is the most important) you're using one color to specify to beat snap. This is downright confusing for player, they have to think whether the stream they see on Insane is 1/6 or 1/8 and this is just too tedious and confusing. Use a different color for 1/6 or just use red for 1/8, leave the 1/6 to a default combo color you use
   I decided not to do the same for the hard difficulties ever since all objects in 1/6th and 1/8th are sliders, and since they are sliders, timing does not matter much, so it was just a waste of time.
   And second, I didn't wanted to make players to think too much, so I just decided to put them red, and have them think that red combo colour means faster streams. Besides, almost all streams are in 1/6th, and the ones in 1/8 are too short or just plain sliders
   

[Normal]

1. 00:21:867 (5,1) - the pre-spinner notes is kinda surprising for a Normal diff level not to mention that it's short & quite close to the next object. I suggest to just remove 5 and start the spinner on it's place
   Please tell me that what you meant is that I should start spinner at 00:22:088 (on which casem it is done)
2. 00:23:620 (1) - Move this close to the center a bit
   Can't really see the purpose for this...
3. 02:51:441 (1,2) - Kinda touch the score bar
   Moved
   
   

[Hard]

1. 00:11:229 (1) - For better playability, it's better to unstack this. It's easier to see if you unstack it too
   For better playability... Not imo, But changed anyways for better visibility
2. 00:55:101 (3,4,1) - Move these circles, 1 grid down & 1 grid right on grid level 4. This will adjust the blanket a bit
   Can't really see the problem with it, besides, I don't use grid snap to map so... it's hard to move exactly 1 lvl 4 grid to the right and down
3. 01:19:915 (1) - Unnecessary NC, remove it
   Okay
4. 02:02:679 (1) - This looks too much like a compressed slider rather than a slider, I can't even see the body. It plays better if you use circles instead

[Insane]

1. 00:05:317 (7,1) - Use the same spacing as the compressed stream before this. Because of the spacing I thought this is a 1/6
2. 00:06:640 (10) - No please, a 1/4 jump after the stream is just too tedious and doesn't flow well
3. 00:21:756 (16,1) - ^
4. 01:05:498 (1) - ^
   These stuff... I won't change, besides, I have personally tested them to make sure they play well
5. 01:05:827 (1) - I don't hear anything on the music than can correspondence to this note in the music. I suggest to remove it or you can also remove 2 to give a small pause after the 1/6 slider
   Removed (1)
6. 01:36:968 (1,2,1) - Make this into the same combo set as you did on 01:43:190 (1,2,3,4,5)
   Oops, another big mistake, changed
7. 03:22:225 (2) - Flow better if you change this into circles
   They are fine
8. 03:42:003 (1,2,3) - These objects is like saying that you want the player to break their combo and then rage at it, they are very unexpected and surprising. Use normal spacing here
   And I really do hope that they will combo break in this part, and hate me for the rest of their life :>

That's all I guess. The timings sounds fine for me, call me back after this and I'll see if I can do something about this mapset
And get this out of the Graveyard

ErufenRito wrote:

Sallad4ever wrote:

[General]

1. Combo color 1 & 3 looks similar make them different
   My original idea was to just 2 colours, but decided to spice things a bit more by using 4 colours y two pairs that looks very alike, so it's intended It's meaningless to 4 combo color which 2 of them are similar, if you want to spice things up then use more darker color for combo 3 so it'll easy to distinct them
2. The red combo color you write on the op is too misleading. The reason are:
   First, you're only using it on Insane but there's also a 1/6 & 1/8 on Hard too even if it's not as many as Insane.
   Second, (this is the most important) you're using one color to specify to beat snap. This is downright confusing for player, they have to think whether the stream they see on Insane is 1/6 or 1/8 and this is just too tedious and confusing. Use a different color for 1/6 or just use red for 1/8, leave the 1/6 to a default combo color you use
   I decided not to do the same for the hard difficulties ever since all objects in 1/6th and 1/8th are sliders, and since they are sliders, timing does not matter much, so it was just a waste of time.
   And second, I didn't wanted to make players to think too much, so I just decided to put them red, and have them think that red combo colour means faster streams. Besides, almost all streams are in 1/6th, and the ones in 1/8 are too short or just plain sliders Using combo for the separate info like that are already making the player thinking to much. Only using one color is even worse, I've asked a BAT to guess what snap you use and the first answer he came up is 1/8 (heck he even answer 1/8 for every questions I asked him). I see that the most 1/8 are sliders so to make it easier, change all the 1/8 into slider and only use combo hax for the 1/6, that way player won't need to guess what snap you use when there's a red streams combo
   

[Hard]

1. 02:02:679 (1) - This looks too much like a compressed slider rather than a slider, I can't even see the body. It plays better if you use circles instead

[Insane]

1. 00:05:317 (7,1) - Use the same spacing as the compressed stream before this. Because of the spacing I thought this is a 1/6
2. 00:06:640 (10) - No please, a 1/4 jump after the stream is just too tedious and doesn't flow well
3. 00:21:756 (16,1) - ^
4. 01:05:498 (1) - ^
   These stuff... I won't change, besides, I have personally tested them to make sure they play well Even if it is playable, they are just too random. Why would you suddenly use a jump there anyway? There's no change in the music that could justify these jump too. So I can only see it as a bad random jumps
5. 03:42:003 (1,2,3) - These objects is like saying that you want the player to break their combo and then rage at it, they are very unexpected and surprising. Use normal spacing here
   And I really do hope that they will combo break in this part, and hate me for the rest of their life :> These are nothing sort of a good jump or good trap, they are just plain trolling moreover when it's on the end of the song. You better of using a more sensible spacing like 1.0x or probably 1.5x

1. It's meaningless to 4 combo color which 2 of them are similar, if you want to spice things up then use more darker color for combo 3 so it'll easy to distinct them
   The fact that you keep complaining about this is meaningless.
   
2. Using combo for the separate info like that are already making the player thinking to much. Only using one color is even worse, I've asked a BAT to guess what snap you use and the first answer he came up is 1/8 (heck he even answer 1/8 for every questions I asked him). I see that the most 1/8 are sliders so to make it easier, change all the 1/8 into slider and only use combo hax for the 1/6, that way player won't need to guess what snap you use when there's a red streams combo
   

1. 02:02:679 (1) - This looks too much like a compressed slider rather than a slider, I can't even see the body. It plays better if you use circles instead

1. 00:05:317 (7,1) - Use the same spacing as the compressed stream before this. Because of the spacing I thought this is a 1/6
2. 00:06:640 (10) - No please, a 1/4 jump after the stream is just too tedious and doesn't flow well
3. 00:21:756 (16,1) - ^
4. 01:05:498 (1) - ^
   Even if it is playable, they are just too random. Why would you suddenly use a jump there anyway? There's no change in the music that could justify these jump too. So I can only see it as a bad random jumps
   They are not really that random, and thanks for insulting my creativity, you welcome.
5. 03:42:003 (1,2,3) - These objects is like saying that you want the player to break their combo and then rage at it, they are very unexpected and surprising. Use normal spacing here
   These are nothing sort of a good jump or good trap, they are just plain trolling moreover when it's on the end of the song. You better of using a more sensible spacing like 1.0x or probably 1.5x

ErufenRito wrote:

Sorry Kuri and Kazuki, but the taiko diffs are giving way too much trouble.

468,133,27187,6,0,B|468:226|391:301,1,180
317,254,28513,1,8,0:0:0
257,186,28956,2,0,B|257:86,3,90,0|8|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0
170,70,30724,6,0,B|101:53|53:131|115:191,2,180,0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0
257,227,33379,1,8,0:0:0
342,70,34268,2,0,B|411:53|459:131|397:191,2,180,0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0
257,227,36934,1,8,0:0:0

172,24,69716,2,0,B|256:80|340:24,2,180,0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0

- Buena dificultad, no estoy del todo de acuerdo con las Notas debajo de Sliders, pero no las mencione porque son demasiados. Si queres arreglarlos bienvenido sea

SPOILER

48,84,83441,6,0,B|44:124|74:145,1,70,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
140,208,83885,2,0,B|170:229|166:269,1,70,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
76,268,84329,1,10,0:0:0
220,380,84774,1,0,0:0:0

- La verdad que lo disfrute cuando lo jugue . Bien hecho, cosas simples en general para esta diff

SPOILER

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Listo! . Despues de mucho tiempo termine con esto.
Creo que la diff. de Moody puede trabajar mejor con respecto a la prolijidad lo digo, de todos modos puedes llamarme de nuevo para un recheck porque quiero ver esta song rankeada (y el map en general acompaña bien)
Por ahora, Buena Suerte

mancusojuanmattos wrote:

Veamos que se puede encontrar aca.

[General:]

• SliderTick Rate 2 juega un mejor papel en esta cancion, deberias intentarlo Hard e insane ya usan slider tick 2, normal e easy no lo tienen porque suenan feo

• 02:58:568 (T): No le veo una razon logica para cortar el Kiai Time aca, se siente raro ademas todo esto es parte del estribillo. En mi opinion deberias continuar el kiai como esta (ya que no produce ningun efecto importante esto) eliminando esta linea verde (y la de 03:00:790 tambien)
--> A su vez no estoy de acuerdo con la finalizacion del 2do kiai tampoco, deberia terminar 03:15:004 que es donde desaparece el estribillo por completo
Bien bien, pero lo cambiare cuando tenga las partes de moody actualizados

[Normal:]

• 00:21:867 (5): Viendo que siempre vas cambiando de posicion, este Stack puede ser algo complicado de leer en una Normal. Yo que vos, moveria esta Nota debajo de (3), para seguir mejor con el patron
Es parte de mi intencion con el patron. Lo mas que puedo hacer es ponerle new combo para mejorar la visibilidad, pero oh espera! alguien me dijo que le quitara ese new combo!
• 00:37:379 (3,4): Yo desapilaria estas Notas, viendo la distancia en el timeline probablemente los jugadores 'Normales' no cliquearian exactamente en el tiempo correcto.
Bien, lo movere, aunque le estaras quitando ese "hold effect"
• 01:11:049 (1,1): Emm.. para que Spammear NCs? Es en la unica dificultad que haces esto.. deberias removerle el New Combo al segundo (1)
AHAHAHAHA seguro fue accidente D:
• 02:18:399 (1,1): La distancia entre el Spinner y la Nota es algo corta para esta Clase de dificultades. Intenta reduciendo el Spinner en 1/1, suena bien de todas maneras
Hmm hice un pequeño ajuste, aunque realmente queria mantener esta parte igual en todas las diffs...
• 02:25:671 (1,1): (^)
• 02:24:194 (4): Agregaria un Clap en esta Nota
• 02:33:064 (2): Te da un efecto espectacular, si agregas un Whistle al comienzo de este Slider.. Realmente me gusta como suena
• 02:34:842 (3): (^)
• 02:36:620 (3): (^)
Es un juego de hitsounds para variar un poco, notaras que mas adelante sigo este patron
• 03:00:568 (5,1): No me gusta como suena la Nota (5), yo que vos la eliminaria para seguir la vocal un poco mas de cerca en esta parte. Luego creo que esto necesita un poco mas de enfasis, quizas un Finish en (1) jugaria bien
Bien bien, como quieras, pero date cuenta que el finish realmente suena es donde solia estar (5) razon por la cual agregue esa nota, aunque tambien admito que suena mas o menos mal tambien
• 03:27:447 (1): Se me hace raro porque es el unico Slider en todo el map con dos repeticiones, ademas siento que este Slider no esta siguiendo siempre la misma cosa. Eliminando la ultima Repeticion y agregando una Nota en su lugar siento que vas a seguir mejor la Vocal y la bateria
Tambien es el unico lugar donde la musica usa streams en 1/8. Prefiero dejarlo asi para "mantener" consistencia con otros diffs
• 03:41:891 (4): Ya se que esto es solo cliquear y mantener el mouse en el lugar, pero aun asi creo que es dificil de poner cosas en 1/4 en estas dificultades. Con un Simple Slider en 1/2 (que termine en 03:42:114), daras el mismo efecto y va a ser mas facil de leer para los jugadores 'Normales'
Y tambien es cierto que en las otras diffs, justo esta parte es mas dificil que el resto del map, asi que no hay cambios por ahora

- Buena dificultad, no estoy del todo de acuerdo con las Notas debajo de Sliders, pero no las mencione porque son demasiados. Si queres arreglarlos bienvenido sea

[Hard:]

• 00:11:008 (5,1): Sinceramente me cope demasiado con los Sliders con repeticiones en esta parte y realmente pense que este iba a tener al menos una antes de la Nota. Yo creo que deberias seguir con el patron, elimina (1) y agregale una Repeticion a (5) juega mejor en mi opinion
Y en mi opinion, se juega mejor tal y como esta D:
• 00:23:193 (2): No se si esto de agregar una Nota 1/8 despues de 1/8 Slider sea la mejor idea en una Hard, yo que vos eliminaria (2) y agregaria una repeticion mas. *En caso de que quieras mantener la Nota* - Yo agregaria un New Combo en esta Nota para una mejor lectura de la Nota y el Stack no es una de las mejores ideas para esta clase de patrones, asi que en adicion al New Combo, desapila la Nota del Slider
Le puse new combo, aunque estoy en desacuerdo con destackearlo, eso implicaria mas movimientos con el mouse, mientras que actualmente solo te exije estar pendiente del approach circle
• 00:38:268 (4): Quizas puedas agregar un New Combo en esta Nota, ya que en esta Nota empezaria una nueva seccion si no tuvieses el Break
Lo mantendre sin NC por querer mantener ese "hold" effect
• 00:54:435 (2,3,4,1): Tengo que decir que la blanket no esta bien lograda a la hora de jugar el map
Y me alegro que no soy un slider nazi!
• 01:03:961 (3): Sumandole al Clap que tiene el comienzo del Slider, yo agregaria un Whistle ya que sigue correctamente la voz del tipo
• 01:13:716 (1): (^)
No cambios a esos hitsounds
• 01:20:330 (1): Creo que no eres muy amante de los finishes pero yo agregaria uno aca
Lol, agregado
• 01:23:441 (1,2): Actualmente estos Sliders no fluyen del todo bien. Yo intentaria algo mas asi, te tiro un codigo tambien arreglando el Spacing para (3,4) tambien
Es mi intencion

SPOILER

48,84,83441,6,0,B|44:124|74:145,1,70,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
140,208,83885,2,0,B|170:229|166:269,1,70,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
76,268,84329,1,10,0:0:0
220,380,84774,1,0,0:0:0

• 01:27:441 (3): Agrega un Clap al final del Slider
• 01:28:329 (6): (^)
Okay
• 01:46:301 (4,1): Siguiendo tus patrones anteriores, parecidos a este, el New Combo debe ir en (4) y no en (1)
Lol, okay xD
• 02:39:286: Me encanta como suena el doble Clap, deberias agregar un Clap aqui
No me parece que suene taaaaan bien ahi D:
• 02:53:432 (5): Esto esta tecnicamente mal, el Slider esta unsnapped por tener un regulador de offset en el medio. Para evitar este error tecnico te sugiero que cambies el Slider por Notas
Simplemente no no no no.... Prefiero dejar el slider... la cancion practicamente te grita que ahi va un slider, lo que si me gustaria que hicieras es que preguntes a otros mods a ver que opinan, si todos opinan asi, supongo que no me queda otro remedio...

- La verdad que lo disfrute cuando lo jugue . Bien hecho, cosas simples en general para esta diff

[Insane:]

• 00:06:640 (10): Un salto en 1/4 al comienzo del map no es una buena idea, es algo dificil de seguir.. por lo menos deja calentar un poco mas el pulso para poner este estilo de cosas, encima de esto agregaste un salto con la siguiente Nota tambien, asi que prefiero que el Stream por lo menos tenga la misma distancia al comienzo
No me parece mucho problema, pero... reduci el DS
• 00:38:268 (5): New Combo como dije en la Hard
No new combo como dije en el hard
• 00:47:361 (1,2,3,4): Buee.. esteticamente principalmente (porque fluir no fluye tan mal) esto podria tomar mejor forma si haces algo mas o menos asi:

SPOILER

So nazi... Bien, cambie un poco
• 01:05:389 (7,1): Reduciria un poquito el salto entre estos objetos, yo diria algo asi como 1,70x entre estos Objetos
Ok
• 01:27:441 (3): Agrega un Clap al final del Slider como dije en la Hard
• 01:28:329 (6): (^)
Ok
• 02:43:953 (5,6): No me gusta mucho como fluye esto, en su lugar yo cambiaria las posiciones de estas Notas
Y a mi me gusta como fluye :<
• 02:44:842: A vos que te gusta seguir muy de cerca todos los instrumentos que aparecen en la cancion, intenta hacer algo asi en este caso

SPOILER

Lol, conste que no fui yo quien queria seguir abusando de 1/8! xD
• 02:53:432 (4): Como dije en Hard esto esta tecnicamente mal (agregandole a esto, que en 'Auto' no completa la SS por esto). Cambia esto por Notas como dije en Hard
• 02:58:124 (2,1,2,3): En este caso me parece que el Stack no es la mejor opcion, ya que le saca 'movilidad' al mapa. Prefiero que sea un Stream Comprimido como vos hiciste en general en todos los 1/8
Okay
• 03:42:003 (1,2,3): Esta bien que quieras aumentar el Spacing entre las Notas, pero ahi abusaste un poquito.. ya veo muchos miss en esa parte porque no fue algo que fuiste incrementando el spacing de a poco y luego ese gran jump, tendrias que tener algo previo para que los jugadores puedan predecir esto mas comodamente. No te digo que lo reduzcas a 1,0x pero estaria bien si reduces la distancia entre estas Notas a 1,90x, es mas coherente con el spacing que venias teniendo anteriormente (espero haberte convencido, porque realmente no me gusta este 'super Jump' )
Y como seguire diciendo, es totalmente intencional para que la gente vote 1 en este map

- En general esta bien, pero los jumps que mencione en el mod deberian ser cambiados

Listo! . Despues de mucho tiempo termine con esto.
Creo que la diff. de Moody puede trabajar mejor con respecto a la prolijidad lo digo, de todos modos puedes llamarme de nuevo para un recheck porque quiero ver esta song rankeada (y el map en general acompaña bien)
Por ahora, Buena Suerte

ErufenRito wrote:

mancusojuanmattos wrote:

• 02:33:064 (2): Te da un efecto espectacular, si agregas un Whistle al comienzo de este Slider.. Realmente me gusta como suena
• 02:34:842 (3): (^)
• 02:36:620 (3): (^)
Es un juego de hitsounds para variar un poco, notaras que mas adelante sigo este patron

ErufenRito wrote:

mancusojuanmattos wrote:

• 02:33:064 (2): Te da un efecto espectacular, si agregas un Whistle al comienzo de este Slider.. Realmente me gusta como suena
• 02:34:842 (3): (^)
• 02:36:620 (3): (^)
Es un juego de hitsounds para variar un poco, notaras que mas adelante sigo este patron

Aleks719 wrote:

feel -10 ~ -12ms here for 3 sections

Actually, feels more like a -14 for me, so I did -14 for all three sections


about -25 here

This one sounds pretty good to me, doing -25 would actually make it worse imo.


personally i think first section should be -15ms, -10 for 2nd and -5ms for 3rd

Your suggestions do seems to be better


+15 here
This is the exact section that you was talking earlier http://puu.sh/1SA4Q perhaps you pushed the wrogn section, so Ill wait for your replay

laport wrote:

gratz