Because different mappers = different interpretations. If he feels like there shouldn't be an object for a proper break he can just leave it blank, no matter if the other diffs mapped it or not.

also someone helpfully pointed out that one of the kiais is unsnapped by 1 millisecond. This isn't even apparent in-game or even in-editor, so i'm going to wait on fixing it.

EDIT: because it's not even an unrankable issue. It won't necessitate a bubble pop or anything.

Fix that unsnapped kiai in last diff.

[Mika's Advanced]
What the point of hp2.6 instead of hp3, when there's absolutely no noticeable difference in such a kind of difficulty?
01:46:986 - 01:49:900 - i don't understand why you mapped sliders in this part so those very loud beats land on their tails, when you mapped it differently in other parts. be consistent here please, sliders with those beats on tails sound and play totally weird, because you want to click those loud sounds
[Ongaku's Another]
00:04:129 (1,3) - totally unpleasant overlap that doesn't really fit this part considering you haven't done overlaps like this in other places. also this part is calm and therefore doesn't need hard to read patterns so its difficulty will follow the current tension
[Etnajkter]
00:09:272 (4,1) - why such a low spacing? shouldn't you emphasize it more just as you did with previous moments like this?
01:56:586 (1,2,3,4,1) - this movement to last (1) feels really awkward, not only 3→4→1 becomes very linear but the spacing 4→1 is decreased sharply, when all the beats here sound kinda same. movement like https://qb.s-ul.eu/YhDMsdnA.jpg would feel much better, and it will also follow the kind of build up that is going here toward the last slider. also current movement not only extremely awkward but it also confused me while playing so i almost failed on the stream later because i didn't expect this


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Kyubey wrote:

Fix that unsnapped kiai in last diff.

[Mika's Advanced]
What the point of hp2.6 instead of hp3, when there's absolutely no noticeable difference in such a kind of difficulty? memes as far as i know, if it's really significant ill change it but otherwise *shrug*
01:46:986 - 01:49:900 - i don't understand why you mapped sliders in this part so those very loud beats land on their tails, when you mapped it differently in other parts. be consistent here please, sliders with those beats on tails sound and play totally weird, because you want to click those loud sounds This is likely simply due to confusion with the overarching melody being on opposite beats from the major beats, either way plays naturally so I didn't really care, but yeah it's inconsistent so I'll fix it. I talked with mikasa before on it briefly, but didn't really care either way. If you suggest a change, I'll change it to what we discussed.
[Ongaku's Another]
00:04:129 (1,3) - totally unpleasant overlap that doesn't really fit this part considering you haven't done overlaps like this in other places. also this part is calm and therefore doesn't need hard to read patterns so its difficulty will follow the current tension I've seen ongaku do this a lot so i never noticed this was the only time it was used. However, this movement and slider location is very in tune with the rest of the section. It follows the proper spacing emphasis the other patterns do, and while the overlap itself is only ever used once, the same argument can be made that all the other times this slider is used, that particular pattern is used only that one time. The fact that this one is an overlap shouldn't make it unusable simply because it can be "potentially confusing" (when it really isn't).
[Etnajkter]
00:09:272 (4,1) - why such a low spacing? shouldn't you emphasize it more just as you did with previous moments like this? The patterns just kind of worked out like that, I don't see any real problem with the spacing being "less emphasized". It's a very calm section and the movements aren't all that impactful to begin with.
01:56:586 (1,2,3,4,1) - this movement to last (1) feels really awkward, not only 3→4→1 becomes very linear but the spacing 4→1 is decreased sharply, when all the beats here sound kinda same. movement like https://qb.s-ul.eu/YhDMsdnA.jpg would feel much better, and it will also follow the kind of build up that is going here toward the last slider. also current movement not only extremely awkward but it also confused me while playing so i almost failed on the stream later because i didn't expect this uhhh thats a lot of words. I did the thing, it "plays more naturally therefore makes a better map" although i felt the initial way was perfectly fine as a back-and-forth representation reflecting the same back-and-forths the start of the map used. This way is more "curvy" and thus "plays better" so oh well e_e


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Also applied minor hitsound fixes to Logic's diff.


EDIT: will wait for ongaku to get home to discuss that quirky overlap.

updated with fix

hey uhh have you gotten anyone to sb this yet? if you haven't, ive got some ideas for this aka i want to sb, itll probably take a few weeks but lemme know

hahahahahahahaha no

You waited too long, rosaline lol

Hearted.

Grats Shiirn!

Don't like the highest difficulty much. The overuse of slow sliders just makes it an awkward map with no flow and it doesn't emphasize the music properly. The map up until the second kiai time is good, it feels like the map is building up to something. But the second kiai time is a real let down, it's the most intense part of the song yet it's mapped to the background beat with more slow sliders and occasional difficulty spikes. I think it needs more to be mapped more intensely (even if it's overmapped a bit) with more objects, a high spacing with less spacing variance and a better flow. Maybe some fast sliders could be nice here to contrast with the slow sliders at the start.

Just my opinion.

You're entitled to that opinion, I agree that the map doesn't quite capture the power of the music, but given the limitations of this game (we're given a board and two buttons to click with, as opposed to other rhythm games with 4+ keys or other layers of capability) it's not going to be possible to pull out the power without either absolutely redonkulous spacing, or heavy overmaps that ignore what makes the music feel powerful to begin with.

Bear in mind Cosmo Memory was literally composed for a different rhythm game; one with 7 keys to play with. If you look up the gameplay videos of it (or play them yourself!), it very accurately captures the power of the hits by using three keys at once, and still being able to simultaneously follow the 1/2 melody with 2-3 other keys.


I can't do that here, so I used slow sliders and massive spacing. It's not going to be as effective, but I decided it was the most suitable way to follow the music without butchering it by simply making the sections formless 1/2 clicking sections.

I personally love the hardest diff, I think it captures the music a lot with the emphasis. finally qualified tho WOOOOO

Why isn't BMS in the Source?

I honestly forgot to check whether it was necessary for BMS of fighters stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't ever remember to actually put it in, I always assume I put it in at some point. Metadata is always a pisser.


DQ at will.

Where is hard icon diff?

Ugh... That's a fail I didn't expect to allow myself to do. However, since we shouldn't judge the difficulty by stars, this shouldn't really matter, I think?

You can call me back.

KittyAdventure: Please always judge difficulty level by gameplay elements. If the spread is reasonable without consecutive icon, the concern does not exist. But if you find the spread really problematic, feel free to point it out with justification.

I mean Advanced diff is really far with hard diff (2.23 with 3.76) (Actually, I don't know about it ;__;)

Spread still fits because the only difference is spacing as Advanced has lots of 1/2 already.

Updated with BMS as source.

KittyAdventure wrote:

I mean Advanced diff is really far with hard diff (2.23 with 3.76) (Actually, I don't know about it ;__;)

Star rating is a shit metric.

In the top diff, the first timing point has 50% volume. Seems like it should have 5% considering the volume fade-in also done in ongaku's another.

that would be an oversight with hitsound copying bugging over all over the place (Ongaku did his diff, copied to mine, we modified the hitsounds on mine, then copied it down, shit got confusing and buggy) and apparently the first line got overwtitten with the 50% the other diffs had at some point even though i swear to god i changed it to 5% at some point

KwaN is letting me change it to 5%.

we are back

im dead on the inside

gj qualified
still shitmap bc of that diff mika's advanced LOL (just a joke pls don hurt me)

Shiirn wrote:

You're entitled to that opinion, I agree that the map doesn't quite capture the power of the music, but given the limitations of this game (we're given a board and two buttons to click with, as opposed to other rhythm games with 4+ keys or other layers of capability) it's not going to be possible to pull out the power without either absolutely redonkulous spacing, or heavy overmaps that ignore what makes the music feel powerful to begin with.

Bear in mind Cosmo Memory was literally composed for a different rhythm game; one with 7 keys to play with. If you look up the gameplay videos of it (or play them yourself!), it very accurately captures the power of the hits by using three keys at once, and still being able to simultaneously follow the 1/2 melody with 2-3 other keys.


I can't do that here, so I used slow sliders and massive spacing. It's not going to be as effective, but I decided it was the most suitable way to follow the music without butchering it by simply making the sections formless 1/2 clicking sections.

The game is limited if you limit yourself to using the two keys to follow the music. You're forgetting that the thing that makes osu! unique is the aiming aspect. You can represent the music using a variety of different hit objects and spacings. You don't have to strictly map hit objects to different beats. You can map streams to emphasize a continuous sounds, you can map 1/2 jumps to the same, you can create your own mini sub rhythms, you can map hit objects to one sound while using flow and spacing to emphasize another sound, and you can switch between representing one sound of the song to another, et cetera. You can do all this while making a map that goes with the map very well.

I think with your current mapping you're actually ignoring what makes the music feel powerful. The long continuous sounds call for it objects that put the cursor in constant flowy motion, but with the spacing you've got you're emphasizing the background beat with the slow sliders and big transition jumps in between. You're also ignoring a lot of other background sounds that are great opportunities to map.
I had a go at mapping the song and I was able to fill the section with lots of fast 1/2 sliders, 1/4 sliders, spaced streams and jumps that are mapped to different parts of the music and follow the song well (sorry I don't know much music terminology). So I think a mapper like you should be able to do better.

btw, there is nothing really wrong with your newer creative style maps but I liked your old style better.

Gratzz >w</

EDIT: Why you adding BMS again in tags? xD (It's should be delete because already add to source lol)

Because it's a part of "bms of fighters". People will more likely find info about this event if they see it in the tags instead of just "of fighters".

can you give me source of Background?

B1rd wrote:

The game is limited if you limit yourself to using the two keys to follow the music. You're forgetting that the thing that makes osu! unique is the aiming aspect. You can represent the music using a variety of different hit objects and spacings. You don't have to strictly map hit objects to different beats. You can map streams to emphasize a continuous sounds, you can map 1/2 jumps to the same, you can create your own mini sub rhythms, you can map hit objects to one sound while using flow and spacing to emphasize another sound, and you can switch between representing one sound of the song to another, et cetera. You can do all this while making a map that goes with the map very well.

I think with your current mapping you're actually ignoring what makes the music feel powerful. The long continuous sounds call for it objects that put the cursor in constant flowy motion, but with the spacing you've got you're emphasizing the background beat with the slow sliders and big transition jumps in between. You're also ignoring a lot of other background sounds that are great opportunities to map.
I had a go at mapping the song and I was able to fill the section with lots of fast 1/2 sliders, 1/4 sliders, spaced streams and jumps that are mapped to different parts of the music and follow the song well (sorry I don't know much music terminology). So I think a mapper like you should be able to do better.

btw, there is nothing really wrong with your newer creative style maps but I liked your old style better.

The issue with using the style that maps streams over continuous sounds and alternative interpretations to beats is that while I absolutely agree with you on this, and actually really want to map like this again, combining my old interpretive mapping style with my more modern structure and aesthetics, it's nearly impossible for me to rank something that doesn't adhere heavily to some form of modern standard.

Do you realize how incredibly difficult it would be for me to rank a map that has a stream over a continuous sound? Do you realize how incredibly frustrating it is to have even a slightly generous change in a musical pattern be ranked?

The current mapping community demands that maps be direct interpretations of the beat points in the music's rhythm. Doing anything other than that requires either sneaking your map into qualified/ranking with little to no fanfare until it's too late (Extremely subversive and slimy), or having such a strong 'political' pull on BNs and QAT to just push it anyway, which I don't have because I don't bother kissing ass or praising people to gain political points.

Overmapping beats is basically heresy. Utilizing constant flowbreaks is also basically heresy.

Cosmo Memory utilizes a specific style that lets me adhere to these modern rules while still pushing at least some creativity. It's not as much as it could have been, but it's hard enough for me to convince BNs to check my maps given my, and my map's, reputations.

One of the few things I feel that I do right as a mapper is that even people who are fans of some of my maps will dislike other maps, while people who are not fans of me will admit they like some of my other maps. This is because I try to vary my maps to fit the music, and when you map a large variety of music, you get a large variety of styles as a result. Nobody is going to like all my maps, and I'm quite proud of that. Every map of mine has a niche. You're just not in this one. That doesn't make me wrong, that just makes you not the target audience. Sorry, you're out of luck this time. Try my next map.

I am not intimately familiar with the ranking system myself but I've always disliked it and the heavy regulations and restrictions it puts on mappers, and how it forces maps to conform to an the arbitrary standard of quality defined by the ranking community. I've spoken to a couple mappers who are frustrated about the difficulty of ranking good quality but unconventional maps. Well, it can be done, as Hollow Wings has shown, if you're willing to do a bit of pushing.
I think it's important for people to push the boundaries of the ranking criteria and I think mappers should do so if they have a good map that deserves to be ranked, rather than doing the equivalent of self-censoring their maps to conform.

The fact of the matter is I'm willing to self-censor to rank my maps. If you don't like that, well, tough. I still bring fairly off-the-wall concepts and ideas, I'm just trying to make them palatable.