Outline wrote:
I don't know if it would be good because it would ruin the original point of osu! and would be traveling away from what it was inspired from.
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we can already do this by stacking 2 circles on top of each other xd
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I think you belong in offtopic. You clearly haven't read my response to this IN THE OP and in MULTIPLE POSTS. You need reading lessons bud.JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:
Outline wrote:
I don't know if it would be good because it would ruin the original point of osu! and would be traveling away from what it was inspired from.
Hold on lemme see the original post and yeah no you didn't write anything about it. Your "clever" little suggestion will break streams.jesse1412 wrote:
I think you belong in offtopic. You clearly haven't read my response to this IN THE OP and in MULTIPLE POSTS. You need reading lessons bud.JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:
well, it shoudl be possible to have a note like that but it should be in another mode. maybe a MOD like DT or so where the end notes (katu and geki) if correctly spelled, are like the button you described. only way i could imagine.
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Let's see...JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:
Hold on lemme see the original post and yeah no you didn't write anything about it. Your "clever" little suggestion will break streams.jesse1412 wrote:
I think you belong in offtopic. You clearly haven't read my response to this IN THE OP and in MULTIPLE POSTS. You need reading lessons bud.
jesse1412 wrote:
As simple as the title suggests. A clearly defined note that requires 2 keys to be pressed simultaneously in order to hit. This wouldn't have been a real suggestion in the past because (if I recall correctly) peppy believed that osu! should be playable with 1key, but 1key play isn't even a gimmicky genre anymore, it's 100% dead.
You either have NO fucking clue about the original intentions of osu! or you're just acting braindead for some reason (possibly because you are but I'm an optimist). There is no way these would break streams at all, if a mapper uses these notes to create a 1/4 stream, good for them, it's most probably unplayable and no one will enjoy their map.jesse1412 wrote:
I'm saying 1key exclusive gameplay is dead, not that standard is dead. No one tries to play the game with only 1key anymore, that was an old objective of design by peppy that is now obsolete. Without using a second key, osu! is basically unplayable. These double notes would be placed by the mapper, they wouldn't be random convoluted shit. I have experimented with the use of this concept using 1/16 doubles and it is definitely a playable and interesting concept.1key EXCLUSIVE play is dead. No one plays relevant maps with only 1key. No one refuses to alternate streams, 2key is essential and integral to the game now, that's why this idea is more valid than in the past (when peppy believed maps should be possible with one key).-Jukke- wrote:
Just no.
Also 1key playing isnt dead, alot of people singletap literally everything 140bpm and under (1/4ths) so it isnt dead. And some even singletap bpms higher than that
Again, just don't use the maps that use these notes. Not sure why it's so hard. Automating it would be completely unplayable because auto-generation is generally shitty and the entire point is to use it to emphasize beats more intensely.CrsTramorio wrote:
well, it shoudl be possible to have a note like that but it should be in another mode. maybe a MOD like DT or so where the end notes (katu and geki) if correctly spelled, are like the button you described. only way i could imagine.
Essentially it's a request to allow mappers to place a new kind of "note" that you would miss unless you pressed both z AND x at the same time.-Crying Heaven- wrote:
can someone explain me this?
I don't see this ever get implemented in osu!standard mode. It would completely change a mode that has been untouched from the very beginning.
Could this get implemented in a new game mode? Perhaps.
Would they create a new game mode just for this? I highly doubt it.
Could this get implemented in a new game mode? Perhaps.
Would they create a new game mode just for this? I highly doubt it.
Topic Starter
No it wouldn't. Why are people so sure it will overthrow everything we've known in osu!. It would play pretty much identical to how standard plays now and it probably wouldn't be commonly used for a long time. Stop being so afraid of OPTIONAL new features.Nikosbks wrote:
I don't see this ever get implemented in osu!standard mode. It would completely change a mode that has been untouched from the very beginning.
Could this get implemented in a new game mode? Perhaps.
Would they create a new game mode just for this? I highly doubt it.
I think it should be like in taiko how you can just do it on some notes
I dont think it is like super important so it will likely end up being ignored (considering how much stuff is going on when it comes to new stuff, website and blabla).
It can be done? Yeah, maybe... I would like to see some examples about why this should be implemented, concrete ones like in a particular map or a particular something. Otherwise I dont see this idea working
It can be done? Yeah, maybe... I would like to see some examples about why this should be implemented, concrete ones like in a particular map or a particular something. Otherwise I dont see this idea working
check this out
diraimur wrote:
We could have 2b gamemode seperated from STD if people are affraid that it would ruin STD mapping; just check this map for example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/147910
its very fun to play, however it has some bugs, if they were cleaned and we could implement it as whole another gamemode, it would be very fun to play in my opinion.
This sounds interesting at first but so far I had thought of these following problems. Do note that I will be comparing it to taiko's counterpart.
Firstly, I think that it's not really fair to give it a miss considering that mappers will be using this note to emphasize a beat in the song and having it to miss after successfully single tapping it kinda defeats the purpose of using this note
This brings us to the next few questions (unless you can convince me and/or some of the people here the reason missing that note through single tapping is fair). What would happen if you only manage to tap one instead of 2 keys? Do you get something similar to a slider break? Or do you get only 100 and keep the combo count after single tapping that note? If you are keeping the combo count, how would you determine the accuracy of it if you single tap it?
The way this note works in taiko is to have a standard score as a single tap note if you single tap it, and doubles the score if you double tap it. But then, if you require both keys to be pressed to clear it, it will get extremely complicated.
If you do it identically with taiko's counterpart however, that almost defeats the purpose of this note as we can single tap and still get 100% accuracy out of that note anyways, unless we are talking about fighting for top score of the map which in case would make stuffs even more competitive for top 1 scores farmers. But then, if we were to implement this just for the top 1 scores farmers, we might as well remove the 477 spin limit.
Don't get me wrong. This note is interesting and it opens up a lot of new possibilities, patterns and stuffs, but IMO it's either too complicated to implement or serves no purpose compare to a singletap note
Firstly, I think that it's not really fair to give it a miss considering that mappers will be using this note to emphasize a beat in the song and having it to miss after successfully single tapping it kinda defeats the purpose of using this note
This brings us to the next few questions (unless you can convince me and/or some of the people here the reason missing that note through single tapping is fair). What would happen if you only manage to tap one instead of 2 keys? Do you get something similar to a slider break? Or do you get only 100 and keep the combo count after single tapping that note? If you are keeping the combo count, how would you determine the accuracy of it if you single tap it?
The way this note works in taiko is to have a standard score as a single tap note if you single tap it, and doubles the score if you double tap it. But then, if you require both keys to be pressed to clear it, it will get extremely complicated.
If you do it identically with taiko's counterpart however, that almost defeats the purpose of this note as we can single tap and still get 100% accuracy out of that note anyways, unless we are talking about fighting for top score of the map which in case would make stuffs even more competitive for top 1 scores farmers. But then, if we were to implement this just for the top 1 scores farmers, we might as well remove the 477 spin limit.
Don't get me wrong. This note is interesting and it opens up a lot of new possibilities, patterns and stuffs, but IMO it's either too complicated to implement or serves no purpose compare to a singletap note
Terrible idea, please never implement this. If this gets implemented... then im gonna quit playing new osu maps. Probably 50% of the players will quit with me.
Why don't we have a special hit circle, where you have to draw pippy into! Or sliders, that have a text on them that you have to type while moving them! Or maybe microphone support! Where you have to sing to get better score! Maybe webcam support so you can dance while playing? Maybe spinners that... okay, sorry, i stop
Why don't we have a special hit circle, where you have to draw pippy into! Or sliders, that have a text on them that you have to type while moving them! Or maybe microphone support! Where you have to sing to get better score! Maybe webcam support so you can dance while playing? Maybe spinners that... okay, sorry, i stop
Wtf why would people want to quit if this gets implemented? Stop this over-dramafication please. It's not that revolutionary or different and additionally probably won't get used as often as how many people seem to think it will. Like, mappers will still map the way they want and you can still play the maps you want.
I myself find this idea very interesting and would like to try it in action.
I myself find this idea very interesting and would like to try it in action.
lol, bad mappers will make bad maps, and bad maps won't be ranked or played by people.
saying you will quit a game because a feature can "potentially" be used to make bad maps is like saying mappers shouldn't be allowed to turn off distance snap, because you can make badly spaced patterns...
saying you will quit a game because a feature can "potentially" be used to make bad maps is like saying mappers shouldn't be allowed to turn off distance snap, because you can make badly spaced patterns...
I would love to see some "features" removed, so mappers don't even get the chance to implement them. Gameplay fluency > Mapper creativity. If you like to press multiple buttons at once... then play Taiko. Because when i play osu!, i have no time to watch for "double hit circles", especially on >=9AR. That being said, peppy won't ever implement this. And you should save your stars for more realistic features.
Gameplay fluency > mapper creativity smh
it's mapper's responsibility to make sure that their map has gameplay fluency unless we are talking about shit meme maps like this or this which was never meant to be playable anyways.
Mapper's creativity is the one that cause gameplay fluency in this community-driven game, not the other way around
also, as what zenithlight said,
it's mapper's responsibility to make sure that their map has gameplay fluency unless we are talking about shit meme maps like this or this which was never meant to be playable anyways.
Mapper's creativity is the one that cause gameplay fluency in this community-driven game, not the other way around
also, as what zenithlight said,
even if you remove everything but the original circle, there will still be shits maps around that has no fluency on gameplay whatsoever because bad mappers always existzenithlight wrote:
lol, bad mappers will make bad maps, and bad maps won't be ranked or played by people.
saying you will quit a game because a feature can "potentially" be used to make bad maps is like saying mappers shouldn't be allowed to turn off distance snap, because you can make badly spaced patterns...
This will not break streams, of course there is gonna be a rule of not using double-click notes into 1/4 (BPM Dependent) and such.
This will not entirely change everyone's mapping style.
This will not entirely make the game unplayable, if we stream 1/4 alternatively and why not tap 1/2 alternatively?
This will not need a new gamemode and in fact, why do we need a new gamemode which is same as standard mode but just except double-click notes?
So... Why not add this? This will be fun and nice if used correctly.
This will not entirely change everyone's mapping style.
This will not entirely make the game unplayable, if we stream 1/4 alternatively and why not tap 1/2 alternatively?
This will not need a new gamemode and in fact, why do we need a new gamemode which is same as standard mode but just except double-click notes?
So... Why not add this? This will be fun and nice if used correctly.
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Personally I would want these to be a combo break if you 1key them. I don't feel like there would be any reason to use them if everyone will just 1key them. Not many people actually care about fighting for a few extra thousand points on maps anymore besides people who farm easy/normal #1 ranks. This is definitely something that needs more thought though.StephOsu wrote:
This sounds interesting at first but so far I had thought of these following problems. Do note that I will be comparing it to taiko's counterpart.
Firstly, I think that it's not really fair to give it a miss considering that mappers will be using this note to emphasize a beat in the song and having it to miss after successfully single tapping it kinda defeats the purpose of using this note
This brings us to the next few questions (unless you can convince me and/or some of the people here the reason missing that note through single tapping is fair). What would happen if you only manage to tap one instead of 2 keys? Do you get something similar to a slider break? Or do you get only 100 and keep the combo count after single tapping that note? If you are keeping the combo count, how would you determine the accuracy of it if you single tap it?
The way this note works in taiko is to have a standard score as a single tap note if you single tap it, and doubles the score if you double tap it. But then, if you require both keys to be pressed to clear it, it will get extremely complicated.
If you do it identically with taiko's counterpart however, that almost defeats the purpose of this note as we can single tap and still get 100% accuracy out of that note anyways, unless we are talking about fighting for top score of the map which in case would make stuffs even more competitive for top 1 scores farmers. But then, if we were to implement this just for the top 1 scores farmers, we might as well remove the 477 spin limit.
Don't get me wrong. This note is interesting and it opens up a lot of new possibilities, patterns and stuffs, but IMO it's either too complicated to implement or serves no purpose compare to a singletap note
I can assure you people won't quit over a new feature being made available to mappers. Most mappers probably won't use these notes for a while, even rarer in ranked maps. If the use of new things is so completely shattering to you then why don't you just quit already considering the fact that mappers can put notes under sliders? If you're going to quit over shitty unranked maps then you should be loooong gone. People actively seek out maps which use interesting 2b mechanics because it's a breath of fresh air, I'm not aware of many (any) people who outright hate 2b maps that are able to play them.Andruchon wrote:
Terrible idea, please never implement this. If this gets implemented... then im gonna quit playing new osu maps. Probably 50% of the players will quit with me.
Why don't we have a special hit circle, where you have to draw pippy into! Or sliders, that have a text on them that you have to type while moving them! Or maybe microphone support! Where you have to sing to get better score! Maybe webcam support so you can dance while playing? Maybe spinners that... okay, sorry, i stop
I'm not even going to reply to your straw man argument at the end because it hurts my soul to read.
You objectively have a very unpopular opinion. To put it bluntly, your opinion is quite shit. Restricting what mappers can do might make the worst maps slightly better but it also lifts the ceiling of how fun good maps can be. You wouldn't play the shittiest maps anyway so who really cares, you're giving mappers a tool to use, it'll be refreshing whilst also barely deviating from current gameplay at all (it'll probably take people one play count to figure these notes out).Andruchon wrote:
I would love to see some "features" removed, so mappers don't even get the chance to implement them. Gameplay fluency > Mapper creativity. If you like to press multiple buttons at once... then play Taiko. Because when i play osu!, i have no time to watch for "double hit circles", especially on >=9AR. That being said, peppy won't ever implement this. And you should save your stars for more realistic features.
I have no idea if this is done or not but here's a few things, another osu toutorial will have to be made AND what hitsound would it make upon hitting it? What will it look like in gameplay? I think in fast songs it would be too hard to recognise a 'double tap' note, streams are hard enough we don't need your shitty idea
I still love you!
I still love you!
if you notice this note are most likely not meant to be in the stream unless some mapper manage to fit them into streams without making them shitWhirl wrote:
I have no idea if this is done or not but here's a few things, another osu toutorial will have to be made AND what hitsound would it make upon hitting it? What will it look like in gameplay? I think in fast songs it would be too hard to recognise a 'double tap' note, streams are hard enough we don't need your shitty idea
as for recognizing problem, giving different visual should fix the problem (and no, bigger circles is not the solution)
lastly, if you even map, you will realize that hitsounding is not a problem because every circles, sliders, and spinner can have different hit sounds
truejesse1412 wrote:
Personally I would want these to be a combo break if you 1key them. I don't feel like there would be any reason to use them if everyone will just 1key them. Not many people actually care about fighting for a few extra thousand points on maps anymore besides people who farm easy/normal #1 ranks. This is definitely something that needs more thought though.
there's still ways to combo break without granting a miss though
that's probably the best treatment for 1keying them
but then considering that there's score V2 that is affecting the slider accuracies, things are still going to be complicated I guess
They will make a new osu tutorial when the osu!next is released anyway.Whirl wrote:
I have no idea if this is done or not but here's a few things, another osu toutorial will have to be made AND what hitsound would it make upon hitting it? What will it look like in gameplay? I think in fast songs it would be too hard to recognise a 'double tap' note, streams are hard enough we don't need your shitty idea
About hitsounds, it depends how mapper hitsounds the note.
The visual representation, at least that will be considered by the game developers, anyways I'm pretty sure if this gets considered, they are going to make it fairly easy to differnate between such notes.
Fast songs, well... I guess there is going to be a obvious pattern changes for it, most is not gonna map it awkwardly.
And for the streams, I'm pretty sure this is not supposed to be used with those streams, they are mostly used to represent strong sounds, just like how Taiko finish notes work, they require 1/4 gap forwardly and backwardly and that may possibly apply to the double-click notes as well.
here are a few reasons that I think this shouldn't be added
1) When mapping how would mappers implement the double tap? Can mappers just throw it in like a normal hitcircle? Or does it have to be a point in the song where the volume rises?
2)if there is a rule about placing the note (like you have to wait a beat before placing it and then wait another beat before placing a normal note) than wouldn't the double hit note be only used in easy and normal maybe hards and rarely ever insanes because in insane when mapping you usually can't skip over two beats (unless it's the slow part)
3)what if I clicked the note with one of my keyboard keys and one of my mouse buttons? Would it still count as a double click?
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLoYLQco2c this guy would be pissed if he still played osu lol
5) I don't think you understand how much people actually like, and hate this so I would suggest making another forum for a vote (or make a poll) and then see how much people like this feature, if more people say no than just forget about it but if more people say yes than maybe keep on trying to implement this into the game
6) I can see people cheating the system if they bind both keys too number one, (if you do then the game will think your clicking both keys at the same time even if your singletapping)
ANYWAYS if someone answers all my questions than I might reconsider
but for now on this idea is shit and it's horrible jesse you should die in a hole your a piece of shit
I love you!
1) When mapping how would mappers implement the double tap? Can mappers just throw it in like a normal hitcircle? Or does it have to be a point in the song where the volume rises?
2)if there is a rule about placing the note (like you have to wait a beat before placing it and then wait another beat before placing a normal note) than wouldn't the double hit note be only used in easy and normal maybe hards and rarely ever insanes because in insane when mapping you usually can't skip over two beats (unless it's the slow part)
3)what if I clicked the note with one of my keyboard keys and one of my mouse buttons? Would it still count as a double click?
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLoYLQco2c this guy would be pissed if he still played osu lol
5) I don't think you understand how much people actually like, and hate this so I would suggest making another forum for a vote (or make a poll) and then see how much people like this feature, if more people say no than just forget about it but if more people say yes than maybe keep on trying to implement this into the game
6) I can see people cheating the system if they bind both keys too number one, (if you do then the game will think your clicking both keys at the same time even if your singletapping)
ANYWAYS if someone answers all my questions than I might reconsider
but for now on this idea is shit and it's horrible jesse you should die in a hole your a piece of shit
I love you!
1) They can just throw it in like a normal hitcircle, but it is encouraged (in fact, meant) to be used on a certain beat that the mapper wants to emphasizeWhirl wrote:
here are a few reasons that I think this shouldn't be added
1) When mapping how would mappers implement the double tap? Can mappers just throw it in like a normal hitcircle? Or does it have to be a point in the song where the volume rises?
2)if there is a rule about placing the note (like you have to wait a beat before placing it and then wait another beat before placing a normal note) than wouldn't the double hit note be only used in easy and normal maybe hards and rarely ever insanes because in insane when mapping you usually can't skip over two beats (unless it's the slow part)
3)what if I clicked the note with one of my keyboard keys and one of my mouse buttons? Would it still count as a double click?
4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLoYLQco2c this guy would be pissed if he still played osu lol
5) I don't think you understand how much people actually like, and hate this so I would suggest making another forum for a vote (or make a poll) and then see how much people like this feature, if more people say no than just forget about it but if more people say yes than maybe keep on trying to implement this into the game
6) I can see people cheating the system if they bind both keys too number one, (if you do then the game will think your clicking both keys at the same time even if your singletapping)
2) There will probably some rules that will be implemented for those notes to be ranked (sort of like the rules of overlapping sliders and stuffs) and even if that rule you stated is the rule, I still see a lot of use on difficulties beyond 4* since you don't map single taps with 1/4 at all
3)
4) is that even a question?jesse1412 wrote:
You can use keyboard and touchscreen, it's suck a small demographic it shouldn't matter anyway. It will always take pressing 2 alternate keys (z,x or m1,x or m1,m2 or z,m2).
Normal regular notes won't even be changed by this so no, it wouldn't make streams retarded.
5) again, is that even a question?
6) that sounds pretty stupid considering that you don't have to spam it faster than 1/2 beats. Also, if you bind to any of your main tapping keys(Z+X, M1+X, tap+x, etc) it will screw your burst/stream tapping, and binding it to non-main tapping keys(anything aside from your main 2 keys used on tapping) is actually more of a downside than upside considering that you have 1 more key that requires you to dedicate your focus on only 1 type of note which is pretty distracting. Might as well just use the 2 keys that had your focus on to tap instead of using the 3rd key
Topic Starter
People are arguing about the ranking rules for these notes. I don't see why the ranking criteria guidelines should be an issue that prevents implementation, they can still be used in unranked maps before a ranking criteria has been announced. They can be unrankable for as long as needed, it's hard to create criteria before we can test them in actual maps.
If it's "too hard to recognize" maybe you're just not good enough for that map? Of course they'll be made so that they're easy the spot.
Whirl wrote:
I have no idea if this is done or not but here's a few things, another osu toutorial will have to be made AND what hitsound would it make upon hitting it? What will it look like in gameplay? I think in fast songs it would be too hard to recognise a 'double tap' note, streams are hard enough we don't need your shitty idea
If it's "too hard to recognize" maybe you're just not good enough for that map? Of course they'll be made so that they're easy the spot.
Okay you answered my questions so I reconsidered
it's still a dumb idea
standard has been the same for MANY years, jesse1412 I don't think this is going to happen
I already KNOW it's not going to be implemented in the game because
A.too many people dislike it. thats all
peppy (or other osu designers I don't know) aren't going to change something in osu that too many people don't like
to prove me wrong AND too finish this forum i'd like too see a poll, 'do you like this idea, yes or no' and if more people say no it's done. No more trying to convince people or anything
if more people say yes then keep trying to implement this in the game
it doesn't sound fun in any way, I agree 100%
it's still a dumb idea
standard has been the same for MANY years, jesse1412 I don't think this is going to happen
I already KNOW it's not going to be implemented in the game because
A.too many people dislike it. thats all
peppy (or other osu designers I don't know) aren't going to change something in osu that too many people don't like
to prove me wrong AND too finish this forum i'd like too see a poll, 'do you like this idea, yes or no' and if more people say no it's done. No more trying to convince people or anything
if more people say yes then keep trying to implement this in the game
I agree!Stefan wrote:
osu! works perfectly this way since eight years.
I also agreeZafufu wrote:
If you're saying the current form of gameplay is dead, then people wouldn't still be playing STD. And it's more about the targets than what keys you're supposed to press. The only way I think these notes should be added is in an optional mod, if at all.
Personally, I also feel t/427593 would be a more effective way to increase the key count at will.
Bara- wrote:
Please no
this doesn't sound fun at all imo
it doesn't sound fun in any way, I agree 100%
so truEndaris wrote:
Why a gameobject. You could just stack 2 circles on each other at the same time.
And even then your idea is lacking in descriptiveness. Like what visual indicator is such a note supposed to have etc.etc.
You might just request fixing notelock instead.
I agree, there's no possible way mouse only player would enjoy having to click both of their buttons at the same timeAxon wrote:
You forget the fact that there are Mouse-only and touchscreen players. This doesn't even sound fun to play with, especially if you are a touchscreen player.
you don't have to do separate posts for every reply btw
oh kdiraimur wrote:
you don't have to do separate posts for every reply btw
There are around ~5,000 RANKED beatmaps right now.
Not counting the larger number of maps that aren't ranked but are still playable, if this request is not for you there is still content and will forever be content for you to play.
If it is added, it's not a requirement to put it in your beatmap.
If it is added, it's not required to play any beatmaps with it in.
Arguing that osu! has been fine for all these years without it makes no sense, just because the game functions well doesn't mean you can't make it function better.
Also, FR seems to have been confused with OT because the number of shitposts here is actually scary.
Not counting the larger number of maps that aren't ranked but are still playable, if this request is not for you there is still content and will forever be content for you to play.
If it is added, it's not a requirement to put it in your beatmap.
If it is added, it's not required to play any beatmaps with it in.
Arguing that osu! has been fine for all these years without it makes no sense, just because the game functions well doesn't mean you can't make it function better.
Also, FR seems to have been confused with OT because the number of shitposts here is actually scary.
yeah there was so many shitpost in this thread that I thought that I am in G&RRiari wrote:
There are around ~5,000 RANKED beatmaps right now.
Not counting the larger number of maps that aren't ranked but are still playable, if this request is not for you there is still content and will forever be content for you to play.
If it is added, it's not a requirement to put it in your beatmap.
If it is added, it's not required to play any beatmaps with it in.
Arguing that osu! has been fine for all these years without it makes no sense, just because the game functions well doesn't mean you can't make it function better.
Also, FR seems to have been confused with OT because the number of shitposts here is actually scary.
but tbh though jesse didn't put much information about the note other that only requiring 2 keys to be pressed to clear and that had caused a lot of misunderstanding
I still stand on my view of this note though. Interesting to add in, but too complex for accuracy check in score v2 which can cause it to be hard to implement
MBomb
My main concern comes (as someone who plays every mode except standard) from how this would convert. Whilst it's not exactly a top priority or anything most likely, it's still important in my opinion. In CtB, I assume it would just act as if there were 2 fruits stacked on top of each other, but Taiko and Mania, I'm not sure how it would work.
Topic Starter
Mapping has been changing consistently for the last 10 years. Standard mode DEFINITELY hasn't been the same for long at all, the evolution of mapping styles has been an astronomically larger change than adding double notes. Take a look at maps from across the ages and tell me things have stayed the same. Just because a new feature for mappers to use is being implemented doesn't mean the meta is going to change at an unprecendented rate (and even if it did, it would be for the better. Mappers wouldn't use them if players hated them). You say osu! has been the same for years and shouldn't change yet you haven't even been here for one year to experience all the changes that've happened. I assume you've never tried to play (or are unable to play maps that use) "double" notes because otherwise you would know that they play very intuitively. It really doesn't require any special thinking to hit these kinds of notes and it integrates seamlessly into a map when used well.Whirl wrote:
Okay you answered my questions so I reconsidered
it's still a dumb idea
standard has been the same for MANY years, jesse1412 I don't think this is going to happen
I already KNOW it's not going to be implemented in the game because
A.too many people dislike it. thats all
peppy (or other osu designers I don't know) aren't going to change something in osu that too many people don't like
to prove me wrong AND too finish this forum i'd like too see a poll, 'do you like this idea, yes or no' and if more people say no it's done. No more trying to convince people or anything
if more people say yes then keep trying to implement this in the game
I'm beyond confident that the majority of people would agree to this implementation. Most people know that not every map will instantly start using these notes, most people probably even find the idea fun. You're essentially saying "you can't have your new feature because I don't want to play maps that might use it. If a map uses something that I don't like then no one should be allowed to play it!! waaa!!!!!!!". Most people don't like square patterns and quads, should we remove those from all maps because YOU dislike them? Of course not.
It seems pretty clear to me that you don't know how features in this game work when you say that "I already KNOW it's not going to be implemented in the game because too many people dislike it. thats all." You weren't here when hit circle fade out got changed, or slider tick fading got changed, or scorev2 was first used in tournament settings, or peppy created his second pp ranking system instead of using tp, or when the chat fonts were changed. There a lot of things people didn't want, but peppy said "fuck you guys this will be better"; and you know what? He was right. Stop stagnating the game and try to embrace something new for once.
All very logical and strong arguments, ties in with: "you can't have your new feature because I don't want to play maps that might use it. If a map uses something that I don't like then no one should be allowed to play it!! waaa!!!!!!!"Riari wrote:
There are around ~5,000 RANKED beatmaps right now.
Not counting the larger number of maps that aren't ranked but are still playable, if this request is not for you there is still content and will forever be content for you to play.
If it is added, it's not a requirement to put it in your beatmap.
If it is added, it's not required to play any beatmaps with it in.
Arguing that osu! has been fine for all these years without it makes no sense, just because the game functions well doesn't mean you can't make it function better.
My main concern comes (as someone who plays every mode except standard) from how this would convert. Whilst it's not exactly a top priority or anything most likely, it's still important in my opinion. In CtB, I assume it would just act as if there were 2 fruits stacked on top of each other, but Taiko and Mania, I'm not sure how it would work.Reasonable concerns. Not sure how to handle them for CTB and mania, possibly just convert them like a standard note?
Taiko converts work mainly based off hitsounds iirc, meaning some jiggery pokery would have to be done but I guess it could just be a D or K as it literally is the same thing.jesse1412 wrote:
My main concern comes (as someone who plays every mode except standard) from how this would convert. Whilst it's not exactly a top priority or anything most likely, it's still important in my opinion. In CtB, I assume it would just act as if there were 2 fruits stacked on top of each other, but Taiko and Mania, I'm not sure how it would work.Reasonable concerns. Not sure how to handle them for CTB and mania, possibly just convert them like a standard note?
As for mania I guess it would make sense for it to convert to a chord since they are similar in the sense that it is multiple keys?
CtB is a broken gamemode so nobody really cares.
I would like to see double hold sliders as they would be really nice on quite a few songs.
Let's see if 50% of the osu player base quits when my Aspire entry gets ranked 
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.DO ITMonstrata wrote:
Let's see if 50% of the osu player base quits when my Aspire entry gets ranked
those sliders were beautiful
Topic Starter
Got a pm from a very angry guy, let me post it here for him because discussion is important. Formatted it nicely for him too, ain't I nice.
Obviously I have to respond, it's my nature.Whirl wrote:
okay thats what you said about me first of all standard has not changedjesse1412 wrote:
Mapping has been changing consistently for the last 10 years. Standard mode DEFINITELY hasn't been the same for long at all, the evolution of mapping styles has been an astronomically larger change than adding double notes. Take a look at maps from across the ages and tell me things have stayed the same. Just because a new feature for mappers to use is being implemented doesn't mean the meta is going to change at an unprecendented rate (and even if it did, it would be for the better. Mappers wouldn't use them if players hated them). You say osu! has been the same for years and shouldn't change yet you haven't even been here for one year to experience all the changes that've happened. I assume you've never tried to play (or are unable to play maps that use) "double" notes because otherwise you would know that they play very intuitively. It really doesn't require any special thinking to hit these kinds of notes and it integrates seamlessly into a map when used well.
I'm beyond confident that the majority of people would agree to this implementation. Most people know that not every map will instantly start using these notes, most people probably even find the idea fun. You're essentially saying "you can't have your new feature because I don't want to play maps that might use it. If a map uses something that I don't like then no one should be allowed to play it!! waaa!!!!!!!". Most people don't like square patterns and quads, should we remove those from all maps because YOU dislike them? Of course not.
It seems pretty clear to me that you don't know how features in this game work when you say that "I already KNOW it's not going to be implemented in the game because too many people dislike it. thats all." You weren't here when hit circle fade out got changed, or slider tick fading got changed, or scorev2 was first used in tournament settings, or peppy created his second pp ranking system instead of using tp, or when the chat fonts were changed. There a lot of things people didn't want, but peppy said "fuck you guys this will be better"; and you know what? He was right. Stop stagnating the game and try to embrace something new for once.
yes maybe the mapping has but the actual game hasn't, standard is circles sliders and spinners, nothing ahs changed about it since
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if your beyond confident that the majority of people would like this idea than why don't you do a poll? Like I said this will all stop if you do a poll (kind of), cause i'm preyy confident that this won't actually happen. If you don't wanna do a poll cause your too scared too then why even try and make this implemented in the game?
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you wrote:jesse1412 wrote:
You're essentially saying "you can't have your new feature because I don't want to play maps that might use it. If a map uses something that I don't like then no one should be allowed to play it!! waaa!!!!!!!". Most people don't like square patterns and quads, should we remove those from all maps because YOU dislike them? Of course not.
I get what your trying too say here but I didn't say that, I said 'why don't you do a poll and see what the resault is? If more people say yes then keep on trying to implement this in the game, if more people say no just shut up and stop'
your essentially saying 'It's gurantee that more people will like this implement so I won't make a poll' just because u think it might not always be true
ass hole.
The shift in mapping is essential a change in the game. It plays very differently, double notes seem like a far more seamless transition than the flow from old mapping to new, the game has been changing vastly and to argue otherwise is quite silly in my opinion.Whirl wrote:
okay thats what you said about me first of all standard has not changed
yes maybe the mapping has but the actual game hasn't, standard is circles sliders and spinners, nothing ahs changed about it since
I didn't add a poll because it's too late to add one "asshole", don't accuse me of being scared of peoples opinions. They're just that, opinions. I would obviously like to know everyone's opinions. Your argument though is very annoying, if we needed a poll to see if everyone agreed with every feature we'd have one automatically made, but we don't. Don't insult me whilst also being clueless about what your accusing me of.Whirl wrote:
if your beyond confident that the majority of people would like this idea than why don't you do a poll? Like I said this will all stop if you do a poll (kind of), cause i'm preyy confident that this won't actually happen. If you don't wanna do a poll cause your too scared too then why even try and make this implemented in the game?
I already mentioned why I "just adding a poll" isn't something I can do, but I'd also like to add that the reason I'm so confident that amajority would prefer the addition of the feature is because I've spoken to plenty of people about it. I've played longer than you, I've seen more maps than you, I've spoken to more people than you; it makes sense that I would have a fair understanding of what the community has found enjoyable over the past 7 years, despite your beliefs that you are the all knowing newbie. The request has tons of stars which represent interest, features aren't thrown away unless they could actually be considered annoying to certain people. This kind of request is COMPLETELY IGNOREABLE, if you don't want it you can ignore it. Stop shitting on the things other people want (and have spent their own stars promoting) when it's literally not going to effect you. The interest is clearly there, people have paid money to have their opinion shown.Whirl wrote:
jesse1412 wrote:
You're essentially saying "you can't have your new feature because I don't want to play maps that might use it. If a map uses something that I don't like then no one should be allowed to play it!! waaa!!!!!!!". Most people don't like square patterns and quads, should we remove those from all maps because YOU dislike them? Of course not.
I get what your trying too say here but I didn't say that, I said 'why don't you do a poll and see what the resault is? If more people say yes then keep on trying to implement this in the game, if more people say no just shut up and stop'
your essentially saying 'It's gurantee that more people will like this implement so I won't make a poll' just because u think it might not always be true
Whirl wrote:
ass hole.
okay, after a long time of thinking i'm now thnking this isn't that bad of an idea, I'll support you (I just can't vote :O) Sorry if I was rude, I jsut wanted my questions answered.
Monstrata wrote:
Let's see if 50% of the osu player base quits when my Aspire entry gets ranked
DO IT
the sliders are amazing
the idea might not be bad, but i dont like it.
I don't think this request goes with the guidelines...
Not everyone likes this request, in fact I have seen more people who actually don't like it. I know I certainly don't.
Also, if this becomes a thing, it may be put into good beatmaps, so we can't simply "ignore" it.
This is only coming from my thoughts though I'm not forcing upon anything.
Forum Guidelines wrote:
Your request should be for the benefit of all players, not only you.
Asking for a feature that only a few will use won't be noticed as one that everyone has been wanting since 2009.
Not everyone likes this request, in fact I have seen more people who actually don't like it. I know I certainly don't.
Also, if this becomes a thing, it may be put into good beatmaps, so we can't simply "ignore" it.
This is only coming from my thoughts though I'm not forcing upon anything.
Topic Starter
If "good" beatmaps use it, doesn't that mean they're good and hence it isn't a problem? You can definitely still ignore maps regardless of quality, but you probably won't because it will play fine.JJAwesome101 wrote:
I don't think this request goes with the guidelines...Not everyone likes this request, in fact I have seen more people who actually don't like it. I know I certainly don't.Forum Guidelines wrote:
Your request should be for the benefit of all players, not only you.
Asking for a feature that only a few will use won't be noticed as one that everyone has been wanting since 2009.
Also, if this becomes a thing, it may be put into good beatmaps, so we can't simply "ignore" it.
This is only coming from my thoughts though I'm not forcing upon anything.
Guidelines aren't rules and it doesn't really apply to this, lots of people want it and the ones who don't want it will probably change their minds as soon as they experience it in a map that they can play.
This is a bad idea in my opinion, I mean first of all you only have lots of star priority for this because your the guy who started playing osu 8 years ago, well whatever but honestly I done see the use to implement this into the game because A. Osu! Has been the same for all its time, there have been sliders spinners and circles and will hopefully forever have sliders spinners and circles
Before you start the "well fuck you noob because mapping has changed over the years and maos flow have changed" well yes that is trye, mapping has changed, but the game hasn't
Also if we were to implement this into the game think of playing the big black, it would be a lot more annoying and akward to have to hit two keys at once!
This would also mess with a lot of people's playing style, and I mean a lot! (Touchscreen players tablet only players etc)
Also before you say something like "I've been in the game for longer than you do I have the bigger word and more fans" I'm going to tell you that players like me and mappers like me aren't going to be happy with this dumb feature because how would you like it if someone said in feature requests to create a whole new note even though you've been playing / mapping the same way for almost a year now! I'd be pretty pissed tbh
I don't see why we need this in the first place, a singular note with hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize a strong, important beat in the song, we don't need a whole new different note to help this, even though taiko has a note that had to be pressed with two keys you also have to remember in standard you need aim, in taiko your just focusing on tapping skills, like I said before it would be pretty weird to pretty much make standard taiko but taiko with aiming
If this was implemented what about all the 100ks? They try to rank up and boom there's a new note that they have to learn, it would mess up their learning curve and cut thei abilities meaning the whole rankings will be messed up because some jackass note
Before you start the "well fuck you noob because mapping has changed over the years and maos flow have changed" well yes that is trye, mapping has changed, but the game hasn't
Also if we were to implement this into the game think of playing the big black, it would be a lot more annoying and akward to have to hit two keys at once!
This would also mess with a lot of people's playing style, and I mean a lot! (Touchscreen players tablet only players etc)
Also before you say something like "I've been in the game for longer than you do I have the bigger word and more fans" I'm going to tell you that players like me and mappers like me aren't going to be happy with this dumb feature because how would you like it if someone said in feature requests to create a whole new note even though you've been playing / mapping the same way for almost a year now! I'd be pretty pissed tbh
I don't see why we need this in the first place, a singular note with hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize a strong, important beat in the song, we don't need a whole new different note to help this, even though taiko has a note that had to be pressed with two keys you also have to remember in standard you need aim, in taiko your just focusing on tapping skills, like I said before it would be pretty weird to pretty much make standard taiko but taiko with aiming
If this was implemented what about all the 100ks? They try to rank up and boom there's a new note that they have to learn, it would mess up their learning curve and cut thei abilities meaning the whole rankings will be messed up because some jackass note
What happened to this?Whirl wrote:
This is a bad idea in my opinion, I mean first of all you only have lots of star priority for this because your the guy who started playing osu 8 years ago, well whatever but honestly I done see the use to implement this into the game because A. Osu! Has been the same for all its time, there have been sliders spinners and circles and will hopefully forever have sliders spinners and circles
Before you start the "well fuck you noob because mapping has changed over the years and maos flow have changed" well yes that is trye, mapping has changed, but the game hasn't
Also if we were to implement this into the game think of playing the big black, it would be a lot more annoying and akward to have to hit two keys at once!
This would also mess with a lot of people's playing style, and I mean a lot! (Touchscreen players tablet only players etc)
Also before you say something like "I've been in the game for longer than you do I have the bigger word and more fans" I'm going to tell you that players like me and mappers like me aren't going to be happy with this dumb feature because how would you like it if someone said in feature requests to create a whole new note even though you've been playing / mapping the same way for almost a year now! I'd be pretty pissed tbh
I don't see why we need this in the first place, a singular note with hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize a strong, important beat in the song, we don't need a whole new different note to help this, even though taiko has a note that had to be pressed with two keys you also have to remember in standard you need aim, in taiko your just focusing on tapping skills, like I said before it would be pretty weird to pretty much make standard taiko but taiko with aiming
If this was implemented what about all the 100ks? They try to rank up and boom there's a new note that they have to learn, it would mess up their learning curve and cut thei abilities meaning the whole rankings will be messed up because some jackass note
Whirl wrote:
okay, after a long time of thinking i'm now thnking this isn't that bad of an idea, I'll support you (I just can't vote :O) Sorry if I was rude, I jsut wanted my questions answered.
This isn't a suggestion to add 2-key notes to current maps. It would be a new note-type, that can be placed where a mapper chooses.
By the way, hold-notes are planned to be implemented at some point, so that completely removes the whole "new notes shouldn't be added because it ruins the game" argument.
Why do we need this? We don't. But we don't need 99% of the feature requests either.
Take a look here and try to find some requests that are a necessity. Tip: there aren't any.
It's adding more possibility to the standard gamemode.
And what the actual fuck is this supposed to mean? I can't even think of a response due to how close-minded this statement is.Whirl wrote:
If this was implemented what about all the 100ks? They try to rank up and boom there's a new note that they have to learn, it would mess up their learning curve and cut thei abilities meaning the whole rankings will be messed up because some jackass note
Can someone please come up with a decent reason as to why this suggestion is bad, aside from "BECAUSE IT IS CHANGING STANDARD
".As a player, I have to agree with Whirl. It messes with touchscreen and tablet only players. But I use neither so I don't support nor against this :u
from a mapper point of view however, I would like to see this along with hold notes.
from a mapper point of view however, I would like to see this along with hold notes.
Well I'm sorry but that's the main reason I don't like it, same with everyone else
Supposing I can't state my own opinion without someone going to me and giving me one silly excuse as to why my points are shit I guess all I can do is say this: I don't think this will be fun to play
Also I'm still really strong about my opinions and that a singular note with added hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize, let'ss keep taiko gameplay with taiko and standard gameplay with standard.
Supposing I can't state my own opinion without someone going to me and giving me one silly excuse as to why my points are shit I guess all I can do is say this: I don't think this will be fun to play
Also I'm still really strong about my opinions and that a singular note with added hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize, let'ss keep taiko gameplay with taiko and standard gameplay with standard.
Although I have some concerns about the readability of such a note, I'm not going to hold any illusions that I understand the design principles or mechanics on how you'd implement such a feature... All I can say, is that I think it'd enhance mapping a lot, and make the game more fun.
I'm in favor!
I'm in favor!
Topic Starter
Serious example of poe's law right here. Still not sure after:Whirl wrote:
This is a bad idea in my opinion, I mean first of all you only have lots of star priority for this because your the guy who started playing osu 8 years ago, well whatever but honestly I done see the use to implement this into the game because A. Osu! Has been the same for all its time, there have been sliders spinners and circles and will hopefully forever have sliders spinners and circles
Before you start the "well fuck you noob because mapping has changed over the years and maos flow have changed" well yes that is trye, mapping has changed, but the game hasn't
Also if we were to implement this into the game think of playing the big black, it would be a lot more annoying and akward to have to hit two keys at once!
This would also mess with a lot of people's playing style, and I mean a lot! (Touchscreen players tablet only players etc)
Also before you say something like "I've been in the game for longer than you do I have the bigger word and more fans" I'm going to tell you that players like me and mappers like me aren't going to be happy with this dumb feature because how would you like it if someone said in feature requests to create a whole new note even though you've been playing / mapping the same way for almost a year now! I'd be pretty pissed tbh
I don't see why we need this in the first place, a singular note with hitsiunds is good enough to emphasize a strong, important beat in the song, we don't need a whole new different note to help this, even though taiko has a note that had to be pressed with two keys you also have to remember in standard you need aim, in taiko your just focusing on tapping skills, like I said before it would be pretty weird to pretty much make standard taiko but taiko with aiming
If this was implemented what about all the 100ks? They try to rank up and boom there's a new note that they have to learn, it would mess up their learning curve and cut thei abilities meaning the whole rankings will be messed up because some jackass note
Just so you know, the game has changed multiple times since it was released; just not since most people heard about it. It can change again (and will with lazer, I'm sure).Whirl wrote:
okay, after a long time of thinking i'm now thnking this isn't that bad of an idea, I'll support you (I just can't vote :O) Sorry if I was rude, I jsut wanted my questions answered.