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Hareimu

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Hareimu 2016-04-30T00:29:18+00:00

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ZeroCalamity

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ZeroCalamity 2016-05-01T03:32:38+00:00

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2016-04-30 02:44 ZeroCalamity: you have a few notes that I'd remove
2016-04-30 02:44 ZeroCalamity: but other than that gj
2016-04-30 02:46 Hareimu: say, which notes?
2016-04-30 02:48 ZeroCalamity: in these sections
2016-04-30 02:48 ZeroCalamity: 00:01:128 (1128|0,2123|3) -
2016-04-30 02:48 ZeroCalamity: you have those notes
2016-04-30 02:49 ZeroCalamity: but there isn't any new sound there
2016-04-30 02:49 ZeroCalamity: same goes for 00:01:128 (1128|0,2123|3) -
2016-04-30 02:49 ZeroCalamity: and so on
2016-04-30 02:49 Hareimu: there's a very low pitched sound of a drum there, but yeah why not?
2016-04-30 02:50 ZeroCalamity: true, and there's the string instrument
2016-04-30 02:50 ZeroCalamity: sounds like a harp
2016-04-30 02:51 ZeroCalamity: that's why the note isn't wrong in all cases
2016-04-30 02:53 Hareimu: I see
2016-04-30 02:53 Hareimu: some cases in which that note isn't wrong could be...?
2016-04-30 02:53 ZeroCalamity: when you're layering
2016-04-30 02:53 ZeroCalamity: or when you're making a dump or mapping in bms style
2016-04-30 02:54 ZeroCalamity: but dumps don't really care about the music
2016-04-30 02:55 ZeroCalamity: you could totally put the note there btw
2016-04-30 02:55 ZeroCalamity: it's just not what I would do
2016-04-30 02:56 ZeroCalamity: imo the main melody is much stronger and the note breaks the flow
2016-04-30 02:56 ZeroCalamity: these triples are interesting 00:13:725 (13725|3,13808|2,13891|1,17703|2,17786|1,17869|0) -
2016-04-30 02:57 Hareimu: Oh, I had an issue I wanted to ask about those
2016-04-30 02:57 ZeroCalamity: sure, go ahead
2016-04-30 02:57 Hareimu: which direction should they be oriented in order to have better playability?
2016-04-30 02:57 Hareimu: like, right now the triple you said is facing from left to right
2016-04-30 02:58 ZeroCalamity: it doesn't usually matter unless it's fast, in which case you might wanna make them go inward
2016-04-30 02:58 ZeroCalamity: so, 123 or 432
2016-04-30 02:58 Hareimu: in this case I think it would be 234, but eh
2016-04-30 02:59 ZeroCalamity: ?
2016-04-30 03:00 ZeroCalamity: what do you mean?
2016-04-30 03:00 Hareimu: wait, what do you mean with 123 or 432?
2016-04-30 03:00 ZeroCalamity: I labeled the columns 1 2 3 and 4
2016-04-30 03:00 ZeroCalamity: from left to right
2016-04-30 03:01 Hareimu: oh, I see
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: so, if you wanted to write out a pattern in numbers
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: for example, this pattern
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: 00:13:725 (13725|3,13808|2,13891|1) -
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: it would be 432
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: because that's the order of the columns that you play
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: and when you have chords like 00:15:714 (15714|1,15714|3) -
2016-04-30 03:01 ZeroCalamity: you would write [24]
2016-04-30 03:01 Hareimu: the last one is okay for me
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: but the 432 pattern you're sayingh
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: *saying
2016-04-30 03:02 ZeroCalamity: both are ok
2016-04-30 03:02 ZeroCalamity: just depends on the control of the player
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: it's 234 for me
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: http://puu.sh/oAFmz/ec9f0350db.txt
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: oh, wrong puush
2016-04-30 03:02 Hareimu: http://puu.sh/oAFmW/459610cf73.jpg
2016-04-30 03:03 ZeroCalamity: you find 234 has better playability?
2016-04-30 03:03 Hareimu: for me at least, yeah
2016-04-30 03:03 ZeroCalamity: yeah, that changes from person to person
2016-04-30 03:04 Hareimu: and it also flows better with the next right-to-left pattern at 00:13:891 (13891|3,14056|2,14222|1) -
2016-04-30 03:05 ZeroCalamity: yeah it does flow better
2016-04-30 03:06 ZeroCalamity: use that, then
2016-04-30 03:06 ZeroCalamity: but usually, patterns that go inwards are easier to execute
2016-04-30 03:06 Hareimu: alright
2016-04-30 03:07 ZeroCalamity: in this case, it's slow so it only depends on the other notes
2016-04-30 03:08 Hareimu: I don't know about making it inwards, I can't stop getting 200s at them placed like that
2016-04-30 03:08 ZeroCalamity: I'm talking about maps when you have jumpstreams at higher bpm
2016-04-30 03:09 Hareimu: yeah, I can agree with those
2016-04-30 03:09 ZeroCalamity: although there's nothing wrong with adding more difficulty, it doesn't always have to be the most comfortable pattern that goes
2016-04-30 03:09 Hareimu: but here it's just a triple, so I think it could stay going outwards
2016-04-30 03:10 ZeroCalamity: ye
2016-04-30 03:10 Hareimu: anything else you see that might be wrong?
2016-04-30 03:10 ZeroCalamity: only some pitch relevancy
2016-04-30 03:10 Hareimu: also, I think I've been having trouble coming up with note placement patterns from 00:32:123 - here to 00:38:090 -
2016-04-30 03:10 ZeroCalamity: it's nothing major
2016-04-30 03:11 ZeroCalamity: ok let's do that first
2016-04-30 03:11 ZeroCalamity: oh that's what I was going to talk about
2016-04-30 03:11 ZeroCalamity: just, before that, there's this 00:29:802 (29802|3,29802|2,29968|2,29968|1,30134|1,30134|0) -
2016-04-30 03:11 ZeroCalamity: you might want to ctrl H that
2016-04-30 03:12 Hareimu: not a problem~
2016-04-30 03:12 Hareimu: ctrl+h'd
2016-04-30 03:13 ZeroCalamity: the patterns from 00:32:123 - are ok btw
2016-04-30 03:13 ZeroCalamity: if you wanted to, you could introduce some pitch relevancy but it's not super important
2016-04-30 03:15 ZeroCalamity: ok so, in a perfect world, you'd have them like (so)[http://puu.sh/oAFYb/0f950f9651.jpg]
2016-04-30 03:15 ZeroCalamity: but you have the LN so you did 432 432 which is fine
2016-04-30 03:16 ZeroCalamity: you can divide the notes into triples that go downwards
2016-04-30 03:17 Hareimu: that's what I did mostly, actually
2016-04-30 03:17 ZeroCalamity: and then change the starting note based on the difference in pitch between 2 triples
2016-04-30 03:17 ZeroCalamity: but you don't really have space for that with the LNs
2016-04-30 03:18 ZeroCalamity: so you'd just have repetitive patterns
2016-04-30 03:18 ZeroCalamity: which is why I think what you did is good
2016-04-30 03:18 Hareimu: with the LNs, I only have 2 columns in which I could add the starting notes
2016-04-30 03:19 Hareimu: so yeah, the patterns started to get repetitive
2016-04-30 03:19 ZeroCalamity: sometimes being repetitive isn't bad
2016-04-30 03:19 ZeroCalamity: but since it's such a short song
2016-04-30 03:20 ZeroCalamity: it would be noticeable
2016-04-30 03:20 ZeroCalamity: although from 00:38:090 -
2016-04-30 03:20 ZeroCalamity: you have much more space for pitch relevancy
2016-04-30 03:24 ZeroCalamity: you could use (this)[http://puu.sh/oAGr1/3dedea5114.jpg] for the ending
2016-04-30 03:25 ZeroCalamity: and (this)[http://puu.sh/oAGvO/84d71401b0.jpg] is how I think the pitch goes for the other part
2016-04-30 03:26 ZeroCalamity: with the selected note being lower than the note before it
2016-04-30 03:26 ZeroCalamity: you can split those into sections
2016-04-30 03:27 ZeroCalamity: that said, I like what you did because it's interesting
2016-04-30 03:27 ZeroCalamity: and not the same thing over and over, like on my screenshots
2016-04-30 03:47 Hareimu: sorry, connection reset itself no reason
2016-04-30 03:47 ZeroCalamity: lol
2016-04-30 03:47 ZeroCalamity: np
2016-04-30 03:47 Hareimu: also, while offline I tried and used pitch relevancy
2016-04-30 03:47 Hareimu: kinda worked out, I guess
2016-04-30 03:48 ZeroCalamity: sh?
2016-04-30 03:48 ZeroCalamity: or could you update the map?
2016-04-30 03:49 Hareimu: lemme update it
2016-04-30 03:49 Hareimu: done
2016-04-30 03:49 Hareimu: re-dl~
2016-04-30 03:52 ZeroCalamity: that's ok
2016-04-30 03:53 ZeroCalamity: glad you hitsounded, many mappers are too lazy to do it
2016-04-30 03:53 Hareimu: I'm kinda used to hitsound things
2016-04-30 03:54 Hareimu: ...although hitsounding in mania is kinda hard because I have to hitsound multiple notes at once, and it sounds really loud if I place several notes on the same spot (different columns, same tick)
2016-04-30 03:54 ZeroCalamity: usually
2016-04-30 03:54 ZeroCalamity: you don't hitsound every note
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: 00:42:067 (42067|1,42067|2) -
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: you shouldn't use whistle on both of them
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: just one whistle
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: and the other the normal hitsound
2016-04-30 03:55 Hareimu: one whistle is from the soft sampleset
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: oh
2016-04-30 03:55 Hareimu: the other one is from the drum
2016-04-30 03:55 ZeroCalamity: then it's ok
2016-04-30 03:56 Hareimu: actually, I never hitsounded multiple notes with the same hitsound
2016-04-30 03:56 Hareimu: like, with the same sample
2016-04-30 03:56 Hareimu: mostly because it sounds really loud and ugly
2016-04-30 03:57 Hareimu: and it doesn't really fit
2016-04-30 03:57 ZeroCalamity: yes
2016-04-30 03:57 ZeroCalamity: exactly
2016-04-30 03:58 Hareimu: well, 00:01:625 (1625|0,1625|1) - these two sound quite loud to me
2016-04-30 03:59 ZeroCalamity: eh
2016-04-30 03:59 Hareimu: but if I replace them with just one note, it would look kind of weird, taking into account that, for some reason, 00:00:631 (631|3,631|2) - these two sound quite low pitched in comparison
2016-04-30 04:01 Hareimu: although it could be just an issue with my editor
2016-04-30 04:01 ZeroCalamity: sound the same to me
2016-04-30 04:01 Hareimu: yep, it has to be an issue
2016-04-30 04:01 Hareimu: anyway, anything else you find odd?
2016-04-30 04:01 ZeroCalamity: nope
2016-04-30 04:20 Hareimu: whelp, if you want kudosu, /savelog this and post it, I'll be glad to give you~
2016-04-30 04:25 ZeroCalamity: I'll check the other diffs too then
2016-04-30 04:25 Hareimu: alright
2016-04-30 04:25 Hareimu: I just updated though, tried to make consistent hitsounding between diffs as well
2016-04-30 04:26 ZeroCalamity: there's a way to have hitsounds be the same on all diffs
2016-04-30 04:26 ZeroCalamity: it's on the forums
2016-04-30 04:26 ZeroCalamity: hitsound copier, I think it's called
2016-04-30 04:26 Hareimu: actually I used that
2016-04-30 04:26 Hareimu: but it's hard to use in mania diffs
2016-04-30 04:26 Hareimu: mostly because there are some diffs that have 2 notes on the same tick
2016-04-30 04:27 Hareimu: maybe the two are hitsounded
2016-04-30 04:27 Hareimu: and when copying them onto another diff that may have just one note on that exact tick, that note gets two samples at once
2016-04-30 04:27 Hareimu: like if you added the same whistle two times to one note
2016-04-30 04:29 ZeroCalamity: :/

Ramble / General

What I didn't properly convey is that there's nothing exactly wrong with your set, I didn't notice anything objectively bad. That said, I find it interesting how you mapped the rhythm, as it's not consistent throughout the set (I think).

You could make a pretty good argument for putting a lot of the notes as layering because the song is rich in different instruments, however, I would've liked to see you commit to some of them and ignore the others, for example, the first thing we talked about was the notes I'd remove. You layered it by first mapping the main melody and then adding the note for the drum. That's why it's very debatable, and probably not something you should worry about for your first set. Again, map is great all around, nothing major.

I wanted to say a final nice word but I can't come up with anything so just have a fun time with mania mapping, it's a mode with a lot of possibilities and freedom and I hope you'll enjoy your time with it.

FrenzyLi

258 posts

Joined April 2015

FrenzyLi 2016-05-09T23:26:26+00:00

Quick Testplay and Consistency Check on Hyper (4k)

2016-05-09 16:56 FrenzyLi: i have a few suggestions regarding the "weird snap"
2016-05-09 16:56 FrenzyLi: first is a question
2016-05-09 16:56 FrenzyLi: what is the LN mapping to?
2016-05-09 16:56 FrenzyLi: 00:19:195 (19195|3) -  this babe
2016-05-09 16:57 Hareimu: the sound that goes from 00:19:195 - to 00:19:692 - I thin
2016-05-09 16:57 Hareimu: *think
2016-05-09 16:57 FrenzyLi: which sound .w.
2016-05-09 16:57 FrenzyLi: bass?
2016-05-09 16:58 Hareimu: like, how is this sound called...
2016-05-09 16:58 Hareimu: I wouldn't know how to call it
2016-05-09 16:58 FrenzyLi: same with 00:16:211 (16211|3) - ?
2016-05-09 16:58 FrenzyLi: same instrument?
2016-05-09 16:58 Hareimu: but it's the higher pitched sound that is clearly audible
2016-05-09 16:58 FrenzyLi: hmm
2016-05-09 16:58 Hareimu: oh, yeah, that one
2016-05-09 16:58 FrenzyLi: tbh i interpret 00:19:195 (19195|3,19526|2,19858|0) - as the triplet
2016-05-09 16:59 Hareimu: like the one that appears at 00:17:703 (17703|2,17786|1,17869|0) - ?
2016-05-09 16:59 FrenzyLi: hmm
2016-05-09 16:59 FrenzyLi: no
2016-05-09 16:59 FrenzyLi: you hear that heavy but low bell sound?
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: 00:19:195 (19195|3,19526|2,19858|0) - at these three timestamps
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: 00:19:195 - 
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: 00:19:526 - 
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: 00:19:858 - 
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: i think you might want to emphasize them
2016-05-09 17:00 Hareimu: I think I hear something, but it's kinda low
2016-05-09 17:00 FrenzyLi: yup
2016-05-09 17:01 Hareimu: and I'm not sure if I'm really listening to what you're talking about
2016-05-09 17:01 FrenzyLi: or..
2016-05-09 17:01 FrenzyLi: 00:19:195 (19195|3,19692|1,19858|0) - the string
2016-05-09 17:01 FrenzyLi: is this what you're mapping
2016-05-09 17:01 Hareimu: ...I think so
2016-05-09 17:02 FrenzyLi: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5118322 moving the 00:19:195 (19692|1) to 2 will be more natural in my opinion
2016-05-09 17:02 FrenzyLi: just a suggestion
2016-05-09 17:02 FrenzyLi: not a big deal
2016-05-09 17:03 FrenzyLi: i kinda want to justify that the 00:19:195 (1692|1) - is closer in pitch to the LN on col 4
2016-05-09 17:03 FrenzyLi: but it's just preference
2016-05-09 17:04 FrenzyLi: 00:28:974 (28974|1,29139|0) - suggestion: move to 1,2. you can keep the way it is
2016-05-09 17:06 Hareimu: It plays somewhat weird
2016-05-09 17:06 Hareimu: like, the last one
2016-05-09 17:06 Hareimu: just in case, I tried to apply every other change as fitting as I saw possible
2016-05-09 17:06 FrenzyLi: well i certainly have a different mapping preference than you do B^)
2016-05-09 17:07 FrenzyLi: the current patterns are by themselves fine
2016-05-09 17:07 FrenzyLi: just coming up with something to see if you might like
2016-05-09 17:07 FrenzyLi: .w.
2016-05-09 17:07 Hareimu: wait
2016-05-09 17:07 FrenzyLi: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5118342 for your reference] at 00:38:090 - 
2016-05-09 17:07 Hareimu: 00:28:974 (28974|0,29139|1) - is this what you meant with moving it to 1,2 ? http://puu.sh/oMbpd/8341258c18.jpg
2016-05-09 17:07 FrenzyLi: yup
2016-05-09 17:08 FrenzyLi: wonder if you like it or not
2016-05-09 17:08 FrenzyLi: again the current patterns are fine
2016-05-09 17:08 FrenzyLi: and not bad
2016-05-09 17:08 FrenzyLi: 'w'
2016-05-09 17:09 Hareimu: I think I'm leaving the pattern at 00:28:974 (28974|1,29139|0) - as it is like now
2016-05-09 17:09 Hareimu: It's not really that bad
2016-05-09 17:10 FrenzyLi: yup
2016-05-09 17:10 FrenzyLi: it's ok
2016-05-09 17:10 FrenzyLi: there's almost no technical error left ... unless using a magnifying glass and actually read the map for half an hour
2016-05-09 17:10 FrenzyLi: so i guess that's what people mean by "perfect"
2016-05-09 17:10 FrenzyLi: 00:42:067 (42067|1) - move to 1?
2016-05-09 17:11 FrenzyLi: to form an intentional anchor with 00:41:736 (41736|0) - 
2016-05-09 17:12 Hareimu: the thing is I tried to map this thing mostly basing myself off pitch relevancy
2016-05-09 17:12 FrenzyLi: well... perfect pitch relevancy can turn out to be awkward sometimes...
2016-05-09 17:12 Hareimu: and I feel that if I move that thing to 1, it would play strange
2016-05-09 17:13 Hareimu: like, I didn't base it completely off pitch relevancy
2016-05-09 17:13 FrenzyLi: you know that special feeling when you hit the last note in granat? i mean at 00:42:067 - 
2016-05-09 17:13 FrenzyLi: everything seems to be elevated at that moment
2016-05-09 17:13 Hareimu: just used some on parts like from 00:32:123 - to 00:42:067 (42067|0) -
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: moving that note to 1 isn't just about pitch relevancy... the anchor itself is like an enlightenment to me
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: the magical orb of granat
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: and i can't really feel that feeling when the notes are on 23
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: idk what you think
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: but i'm happy to see it on 13
2016-05-09 17:14 Hareimu: whelp, so you do feel it on 1 rather than 2 then
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: yup
2016-05-09 17:14 Hareimu: then to 1 it goes~
2016-05-09 17:14 FrenzyLi: that anchor is easily justified, and at least i would like to see it that way
2016-05-09 17:15 FrenzyLi: 00:32:123 - this part is very good
2016-05-09 17:15 Hareimu: umm
2016-05-09 17:16 FrenzyLi: well
2016-05-09 17:16 Hareimu: if I move 00:34:277 (34277|1) - from 2 to 4, would it be ok?
2016-05-09 17:16 Hareimu: because I personally don't think so because of the really close anchor to the previous LN
2016-05-09 17:16 FrenzyLi: yup
2016-05-09 17:16 FrenzyLi: it's perfectly ok
2016-05-09 17:17 FrenzyLi: and due to 00:34:609 (34609|3) -  this i would prefer it over 2
2016-05-09 17:17 FrenzyLi: 00:34:277 (34277|1) - so you can move this to 4 if you like
2016-05-09 17:17 FrenzyLi: i'm in favor of it
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: actually, nvm
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: also
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: 00:36:101 (36101|1) -
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: I think I'm moving this to 2
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: like, the whole LN
2016-05-09 17:18 Hareimu: and change some positions for the other notes
2016-05-09 17:18 FrenzyLi: not a bad idea
2016-05-09 17:19 FrenzyLi: i'm mostly reading what you already have in place and try to spot inconsistencies and a few suggestions
2016-05-09 17:19 FrenzyLi: the LN position are ok but you can certainly improve them 
2016-05-09 17:20 Hareimu: I also think I'm moving 00:37:095 (37095|2) - to 3 and do the same as before with the other notes
2016-05-09 17:20 Hareimu: like, to vary a bit the position of the LNs
2016-05-09 17:20 FrenzyLi: hyper diff?
2016-05-09 17:20 Hareimu: yeah
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: well
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: for me the LN is on 4
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: 'w'????
2016-05-09 17:21 Hareimu: IKR
2016-05-09 17:21 Hareimu: I'm changing it right now, that is
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: nevermind... you can change as you wish
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: because it'll mostly be fine even if you changed it
2016-05-09 17:21 Hareimu: well
2016-05-09 17:21 Hareimu: I'm updating it as for now
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: there's almost no risk in changing
2016-05-09 17:21 FrenzyLi: ok
2016-05-09 17:21 Hareimu: anything else on the other diffs?
2016-05-09 17:23 FrenzyLi: hmm
2016-05-09 17:23 FrenzyLi: i'm not really in the best emotion to mod atm
2016-05-09 17:23 FrenzyLi: but let's see how i can help you in the following weeks cuz i'll have lots of free time and a rested mind then
2016-05-09 17:23 Hareimu: alright then~
2016-05-09 17:24 FrenzyLi: oh btw
2016-05-09 17:24 FrenzyLi: i play the kamikaze version of granat B^)
2016-05-09 17:24 Hareimu: I think you might want kudosu as for now
2016-05-09 17:25 Hareimu: maybe /savelog this and post it on forums?
2016-05-09 17:25 FrenzyLi: yup i can do that