IRC Mod
01:10 *J1NX1337 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/957137 WakaG - Yozora ni Saita Hana [Beauty under the Moon]]
01:11 J1NX1337: 01:20:668 (7,8,9) - you shouldn't overmap lol
01:13 TheBlaiZe: Ah, gotcha. Thanks for taking a look at it ^^
01:14 J1NX1337: there's a quite a bit of other stuff with it too, I'll just skim through it real quick
01:16 J1NX1337: 04:54:751 (6) - that's snapped incorrectly, for starters
01:17 J1NX1337: the second piano note here is on 04:54:890 -
01:17 J1NX1337: not 04:54:918 -
01:21 J1NX1337: might be a case of the offset as well
01:23 TheBlaiZe: Yeah, I thought that bit was weird, but I have no clue what to do with it, I guess I could modify the timing for it until it feels right
01:26 J1NX1337: 2984 seems alright for starters
01:28 J1NX1337: you'll just have to snap it on 04:54:872 -
01:30 J1NX1337: anyway aside from that stuff in the end
01:31 J1NX1337: 00:04:650 (6,1,2) - this could look better if you didn't overlap (6) and (2)
01:32 J1NX1337: the whole pattern would be better if positioned to the left side of 00:04:650 (6) - for optimal flow
01:32 TheBlaiZe: I'll get to it
01:32 J1NX1337: since the curve of the slider would imply the next note being to the left, flow-wise
01:34 J1NX1337: it would sound better to have a slider here 00:24:317 - for example
01:35 J1NX1337: rather than the upbeat, since sliders on downbeats usually sound the best
01:36 J1NX1337: also the way you map this 00:26:808 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - differs a lot from the previous section, you use full circles here and they're basically jumps
01:36 J1NX1337: even though the song is still pretty chill here, I don't see the point of doing it
01:37 J1NX1337: jumps are best used to emphasize song intensity and it doesn't do a very good job at it here so I find them unfitting
01:38 J1NX1337: I think the map could be a lot more interesting if you mapped more to the beat than vocals
01:39 J1NX1337: for sections like 00:34:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - it'd work better, since having so many consecutive circles is kinda weird
01:39 J1NX1337: you could also put a triplet at 00:45:473 - for example
01:41 J1NX1337: also mapping to the beats at 01:14:641 (4,5) - would be better since the sliders seem kinda abrupt and interrupt the musical flow of the map
01:42 TheBlaiZe: I'll get to all of these in a second, reworking the pattern in the beginning
01:42 J1NX1337: sure
01:42 J1NX1337: 01:44:141 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - this is also a very chill section of the song so having jumps like this isn't really emphasizing the song that well
01:43 J1NX1337: the kiai sections themselves lack intensity because you're mapping to the vocals only
01:45 J1NX1337: also spacing like that is kinda random as well 01:32:974 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
01:46 J1NX1337: should have consistent spacing between the circles and a larger gap between 01:33:224 (4,1) -
01:46 J1NX1337: but anyway I don't think I should be getting too in-depth with the mod since it's arguably one of your first maps
01:47 J1NX1337: so general advice is something you'd need more I think
01:48 J1NX1337: when mapping, you should always take song intensity into account. If the song is really chill at some section, jumps don't work well to emphasize it. Low spacing works best and using less note density as well
01:48 J1NX1337: when the song starts picking up, you should increase spacing to emphasize this
01:48 TheBlaiZe: I actually appreciate this a lot, I thought being thrown in the deep would be a better way for me to learn to do things.
01:48 TheBlaiZe: Noted
01:50 J1NX1337: it's most important to learn what works and what doesn't
01:50 J1NX1337: and for what reasons
01:51 J1NX1337: major things here would be that you should rather map to the beat than vocals, since mapping purely to the vocals doesn't let you emphasize things that well
01:51 J1NX1337: usually if you map to the beat, it actually emphasizes the vocals in the process
01:52 TheBlaiZe: Yeah, I find myself focusing on the vocals way too much... Thanks for the hint
01:53 J1NX1337: do you know what downbeats and upbeats are?
01:53 TheBlaiZe: as in, rhythm-wise?
01:54 J1NX1337: well yea just generally what they mean
01:55 TheBlaiZe: If by that, you mean upbeat songs have more tempo for example, then yeah.
01:56 J1NX1337: ah nah lol
01:56 J1NX1337: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58959
01:56 TheBlaiZe: xd
01:57 J1NX1337: that should be of use
02:01 TheBlaiZe: That's amazing
02:02 J1NX1337: also for the part at 03:57:640 - I'd use more variation, maybe slider+slider+4xcircle patterns or something
02:03 J1NX1337: 04:00:308 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the way the spacing changes here completely is kinda random considering the song intensity stays the same here
02:05 J1NX1337: but yeah, recommend focusing on primary things first like song intensity emphasis through spacing and mapping more to the beat than vocals
02:07 J1NX1337: the ending might need some more stuff done to it in terms of timing
02:07 J1NX1337: and mapping to the correct beats, though it can probably wait
02:08 J1NX1337: that's it for a short skim of the map, if you want an opinion on anything feel free to ask lol
02:09 TheBlaiZe: Thanks a bunch, man. I really do appreciate it. I'll work on it and get back to you with the results
02:09 J1NX1337: sure, no problem, good luck on improving
01:11 J1NX1337: 01:20:668 (7,8,9) - you shouldn't overmap lol
01:13 TheBlaiZe: Ah, gotcha. Thanks for taking a look at it ^^
01:14 J1NX1337: there's a quite a bit of other stuff with it too, I'll just skim through it real quick
01:16 J1NX1337: 04:54:751 (6) - that's snapped incorrectly, for starters
01:17 J1NX1337: the second piano note here is on 04:54:890 -
01:17 J1NX1337: not 04:54:918 -
01:21 J1NX1337: might be a case of the offset as well
01:23 TheBlaiZe: Yeah, I thought that bit was weird, but I have no clue what to do with it, I guess I could modify the timing for it until it feels right
01:26 J1NX1337: 2984 seems alright for starters
01:28 J1NX1337: you'll just have to snap it on 04:54:872 -
01:30 J1NX1337: anyway aside from that stuff in the end
01:31 J1NX1337: 00:04:650 (6,1,2) - this could look better if you didn't overlap (6) and (2)
01:32 J1NX1337: the whole pattern would be better if positioned to the left side of 00:04:650 (6) - for optimal flow
01:32 TheBlaiZe: I'll get to it
01:32 J1NX1337: since the curve of the slider would imply the next note being to the left, flow-wise
01:34 J1NX1337: it would sound better to have a slider here 00:24:317 - for example
01:35 J1NX1337: rather than the upbeat, since sliders on downbeats usually sound the best
01:36 J1NX1337: also the way you map this 00:26:808 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - differs a lot from the previous section, you use full circles here and they're basically jumps
01:36 J1NX1337: even though the song is still pretty chill here, I don't see the point of doing it
01:37 J1NX1337: jumps are best used to emphasize song intensity and it doesn't do a very good job at it here so I find them unfitting
01:38 J1NX1337: I think the map could be a lot more interesting if you mapped more to the beat than vocals
01:39 J1NX1337: for sections like 00:34:974 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - it'd work better, since having so many consecutive circles is kinda weird
01:39 J1NX1337: you could also put a triplet at 00:45:473 - for example
01:41 J1NX1337: also mapping to the beats at 01:14:641 (4,5) - would be better since the sliders seem kinda abrupt and interrupt the musical flow of the map
01:42 TheBlaiZe: I'll get to all of these in a second, reworking the pattern in the beginning
01:42 J1NX1337: sure
01:42 J1NX1337: 01:44:141 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - this is also a very chill section of the song so having jumps like this isn't really emphasizing the song that well
01:43 J1NX1337: the kiai sections themselves lack intensity because you're mapping to the vocals only
01:45 J1NX1337: also spacing like that is kinda random as well 01:32:974 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
01:46 J1NX1337: should have consistent spacing between the circles and a larger gap between 01:33:224 (4,1) -
01:46 J1NX1337: but anyway I don't think I should be getting too in-depth with the mod since it's arguably one of your first maps
01:47 J1NX1337: so general advice is something you'd need more I think
01:48 J1NX1337: when mapping, you should always take song intensity into account. If the song is really chill at some section, jumps don't work well to emphasize it. Low spacing works best and using less note density as well
01:48 J1NX1337: when the song starts picking up, you should increase spacing to emphasize this
01:48 TheBlaiZe: I actually appreciate this a lot, I thought being thrown in the deep would be a better way for me to learn to do things.
01:48 TheBlaiZe: Noted
01:50 J1NX1337: it's most important to learn what works and what doesn't
01:50 J1NX1337: and for what reasons
01:51 J1NX1337: major things here would be that you should rather map to the beat than vocals, since mapping purely to the vocals doesn't let you emphasize things that well
01:51 J1NX1337: usually if you map to the beat, it actually emphasizes the vocals in the process
01:52 TheBlaiZe: Yeah, I find myself focusing on the vocals way too much... Thanks for the hint
01:53 J1NX1337: do you know what downbeats and upbeats are?
01:53 TheBlaiZe: as in, rhythm-wise?
01:54 J1NX1337: well yea just generally what they mean
01:55 TheBlaiZe: If by that, you mean upbeat songs have more tempo for example, then yeah.
01:56 J1NX1337: ah nah lol
01:56 J1NX1337: viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58959
01:56 TheBlaiZe: xd
01:57 J1NX1337: that should be of use
02:01 TheBlaiZe: That's amazing
02:02 J1NX1337: also for the part at 03:57:640 - I'd use more variation, maybe slider+slider+4xcircle patterns or something
02:03 J1NX1337: 04:00:308 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the way the spacing changes here completely is kinda random considering the song intensity stays the same here
02:05 J1NX1337: but yeah, recommend focusing on primary things first like song intensity emphasis through spacing and mapping more to the beat than vocals
02:07 J1NX1337: the ending might need some more stuff done to it in terms of timing
02:07 J1NX1337: and mapping to the correct beats, though it can probably wait
02:08 J1NX1337: that's it for a short skim of the map, if you want an opinion on anything feel free to ask lol
02:09 TheBlaiZe: Thanks a bunch, man. I really do appreciate it. I'll work on it and get back to you with the results
02:09 J1NX1337: sure, no problem, good luck on improving
- Talked about core mapping concepts like
- Song emphasis through spacing
- Mapping to the beat rather than vocals only
- Rhythmical mapping choices in general