05:33 Aqo: ok ----------------------------------------------
05:33 Aqo: 00:00:399 (399|4,399|2) - this annoys me. the LN ending time
05:33 Aqo: this LN follows a clear sound in the music
05:34 Aqo: but ends before this sound ends
05:34 Aqo: makes this LN feel like ghost
05:34 Aqo: this sound
05:34 Aqo: keeps going
05:34 ArcherLove: hmm should I make that only 1 00:00:399 (399|4) - and end it
05:34 Aqo: it goes later than 00:01:291 (1291|1,1291|2,1291|3,1291|5,1390|3,1390|1,1390|2,1390|5,1489|2,1489|1,1489|3,1489|5) -
05:34 ArcherLove: at the chord?
05:34 Aqo: no
05:34 Aqo: the sound doesn't stop at the chord
05:34 Aqo: it'll still be wrong
05:34 Aqo: listen carefully to the music
05:34 ArcherLove: wellllll
05:34 ArcherLove: I know haha
05:34 ArcherLove: but if LN + chord
05:34 ArcherLove: it will be like
05:34 ArcherLove: sooo hard
05:35 ArcherLove: it's also 1/3 jack
05:35 Aqo: not really... not compared to the rest of this chart....
05:35 Aqo: but imo if you don't want LN + jack
05:35 Aqo: then just don't map this LN at all
05:35 Aqo: because right now it feels forced
05:35 ArcherLove: ok
05:35 ArcherLove: deleted
05:35 Aqo: also 00:00:993 (993|6,993|0) - why..
05:35 Aqo: it feels like you put those LNs just for visuals
05:35 ArcherLove: deleted :u
05:35 Aqo: ok ok
05:35 Aqo: just saying
05:35 ArcherLove: I thnk I will delete all intro LN
05:35 ArcherLove: no it's technically right
05:35 Aqo: I'm not entirely against overmapping or ghost notes/extra density
05:36 Aqo: but here it doesn't add anything to the feel
05:36 Aqo: it just makes it feel weird
05:36 ArcherLove: yes
05:36 ArcherLove: quality > SR
05:36 Aqo: if you want a cool effect
05:36 Aqo: after every 4chord smash
05:36 Aqo: put a very fast SV
05:36 Aqo: that transitions into regular SV quickly
05:36 ArcherLove: ah
05:36 ArcherLove: wait
05:36 Aqo: so that the next 4chord section
05:36 ArcherLove: let me
05:37 ArcherLove: try
05:37 Aqo: instantly appears at the top
05:37 Aqo: once you finish the current chord smash
05:37 ArcherLove: ah
05:37 ArcherLove: but
05:37 Aqo: that way it increases the tension
05:37 Aqo: but not too hard to play
05:37 ArcherLove: it's morelikely not flawless at current SV play
05:37 Aqo: well I'm just saying
05:37 Aqo: if you want more than just chords here
05:37 Aqo: this is the kind of thing you can do
05:37 Aqo: instead of LN
05:37 ArcherLove: yeah
05:38 Aqo: 00:05:300 (5300|2,5375|3,5449|4) -
05:38 ArcherLove: I.. wonder
05:38 ArcherLove: if BPM change for this kind of thing is rankable
05:38 Aqo: I like this transition
05:38 Aqo: but the timing is wrong
05:38 Aqo: it should start 1/2 earlier
05:38 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/Wb5dYwF.png ->
http://i.imgur.com/NSaKZZb.png05:39 Aqo: also I suggest to continue with 6 and 7
05:39 Aqo: since the sound does it too, and it also feels right to play
05:39 Aqo: and maybe add note for the drum but I'm not sure would need to test
05:40 Aqo: i.e.
http://i.imgur.com/rxUVlXC.png05:40 Aqo: actually 2 is better than 1 since it happens again later
05:40 Aqo: not being able to put 7 keys is bleh here lol
05:40 ArcherLove: lol right
05:40 ArcherLove: wait let me try
05:40 Aqo: stuff like this
http://i.imgur.com/93AxXVV.png05:41 Aqo: any specific reason why it's inconsistent?
05:41 Aqo: in the music it's consistent and I see no other direction to change it
05:41 Aqo: i.e. why not
http://i.imgur.com/5npZ9r8.png05:41 ArcherLove:
http://puu.sh/nmU3T/38cf51b984.jpg05:41 Aqo: 00:06:191 (6191|6,6266|5,6489|6,6563|5) -
05:41 Aqo: it can work
05:41 ArcherLove: that?
05:42 Aqo: if you do this
05:42 Aqo: make the player also release 5 or 6
05:42 Aqo: this will keep the hand balance for this type of 1/4 release
05:42 Aqo: and then you can add a note there
05:42 ArcherLove:
http://puu.sh/nmU8i/68d10f6884.png this?
05:42 Aqo: for a louder hit from that transition
05:43 Aqo: yes
05:43 ArcherLove: ok
05:43 ArcherLove: that feels good
05:43 Aqo: it also improves the structure for the stream later
05:43 Aqo: look at this box
http://i.imgur.com/lEi0aBC.png05:43 Aqo: good placement
05:43 Aqo: so, did you see what I wrote about 00:06:563 (6563|6,6637|5) - >> 00:06:489 (6489|6,6563|5) -
05:44 Aqo: also
05:44 Aqo: moving on to a later part ->
05:44 Aqo: 00:14:434 (14434|4,14434|5,14508|2,14508|3,14583|4,14583|5,14657|2,14731|3,14731|4,14805|5,14880|2,14880|4,14954|3,14954|5,15028|2,15102|4,15102|5,15102|3) -
05:44 Aqo: the style of pattern you did here
05:45 Aqo: I think a transition into this type of pattern is good considering how the song goes
05:45 Aqo: but again the timing for it is bad
05:45 Aqo: should've started earlier
05:45 Aqo: 00:13:172 - here
05:45 ArcherLove: ah
05:45 Aqo: you can already hear the sample clearly from 00:12:578 -
05:45 ArcherLove: right
05:45 ArcherLove: I will re-note then
05:46 Aqo: but if it starts here it will be a surprise
05:46 Aqo: meanwhile on 13:172 you can already comfortably transition into it
05:46 Aqo: but
05:46 Aqo: if you want until later
05:46 Aqo: the player already feels like you decided to ignore this rhythm
05:46 Aqo: and that he's not going to play it
05:46 Aqo: so he keeps doing the current rhythm
05:46 ArcherLove: ah
05:46 ArcherLove: so like
05:46 Aqo: but then when it suddenly does enter in 2 measures later it feels weird
05:46 ArcherLove: hmm
05:46 Aqo: if you're going to chart it
05:46 Aqo: chart it from the start
05:47 Aqo: from the initial moment where it's obvious it's there
05:47 Aqo: I'd probably like
05:47 Aqo: already put a trill on 00:12:578 - or something
05:47 Aqo: and then turn it into double trills later on
05:47 Aqo: that way it's pure smooth transition that follows the entire sample
05:48 ArcherLove: the first pattern of that part is
05:48 ArcherLove: spider pattern
05:48 ArcherLove: brackets
05:48 ArcherLove: so I tried to reduce that
05:48 ArcherLove: while not listening to the song
05:48 Aqo: you need to rethink the placement for those imo
05:48 Aqo: stuff like this plays weird
http://i.imgur.com/WIeQJhP.png05:48 Aqo: mainly because of this
05:48 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/Q0gmlhn.png05:48 Aqo: 00:11:909 (11909|4) -
05:49 Aqo: don't be afraid to use patterns that look simple in the editor
05:49 Aqo: for a player playing it will still be fun
05:49 Aqo: need to find the right balance
05:49 Aqo: not too copypaste but not too random
05:50 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/J49NuiA.png 00:15:548 - isn't this a little weird to look at / play ?
05:50 Aqo: why not
http://i.imgur.com/gq0PDgb.png05:51 Aqo: this part has a transition from a strong/heavy part into a light part, putting density of 5 at the beginning of the light part is too much...
05:51 Aqo: 2 long long notes + 3 short long notes
05:51 Aqo: the impact is already very strong with hitting 3 or 4 considering it's all hits of 1 afterwards
05:52 Aqo: 00:17:033 (17033|0) - this
05:52 Aqo: why is it not longer by 1/4?
05:52 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/T9FLKNi.png ->
http://i.imgur.com/4tB2itc.png05:52 ArcherLove: alright
05:52 ArcherLove: that's wrong end
05:52 ArcherLove: lol
05:52 ArcherLove: pretty hard to make LN wall
05:53 ArcherLove: it's like hypnotism
05:53 ArcherLove: asdasd
05:53 ArcherLove: about 00:11:909 (11909|4) -
05:53 ArcherLove: I think I will keep it
05:53 Aqo: idea
http://i.imgur.com/Rxi3B1J.png05:53 ArcherLove: and start the trill at 00:13:766 (13766|0) -
05:53 Aqo: look at how the LNs become
05:54 Aqo: 4 -> 3 -> 2 -> 1
05:54 ArcherLove: ah that's good
05:54 Aqo: patterns looks pretty + plays in a consistent way as far as releases and presses go
05:55 ArcherLove: yes
05:55 ArcherLove: changed
05:55 Aqo: I won't comment about a lot of the LN patterns
05:55 Aqo: you better ask more O2 players
05:55 Aqo: but
05:55 Aqo: parts like this 00:37:231 (37231|1,37231|3,37231|2,37231|0,37305|5,37305|4,37380|2,37380|0,37380|1,37454|4,37454|3,37528|1,37528|5,37528|2,37528|0,37602|4,37602|3,37677|0,37677|5,37677|2,37751|1,37751|4,37825|2,37825|3,37825|5,37825|0,37899|1,37899|4,37974|2,37974|3,38048|4,38048|5) -
05:55 Aqo: in the music
05:55 Aqo: there's a strong feel of same thing repeating 3 times
05:55 Aqo: can you feel it?
05:56 Aqo: but in the notes
05:56 ArcherLove: yes
05:56 Aqo: I can't feel it at all
05:56 ArcherLove: the piano sound
05:56 Aqo: so the notes feel random
05:56 ArcherLove: I will repattern that
05:56 Aqo: I'd try to reposition them in a way that I get this feel
05:56 Aqo: 00:39:533 (39533|4,39607|3,39607|6,39607|1,39682|5,39756|2,39756|4,39830|5,39904|6,39904|3,39904|1,39979|4,40053|2,40053|5,40127|3,40201|4,40201|2,40201|6,40201|1,40276|3,40276|5,40350|2,40350|4,40424|3,40424|1) -
05:56 Aqo: here for example
05:56 Aqo: 00:39:607 - and 00:40:201 -
05:56 Aqo: those two parts also sound the same
05:57 Aqo: so again I'd map those two segments with a way that will feel the same for the player
05:57 ArcherLove: added some note
05:58 Aqo: 00:41:909 (41909|2,41909|1,41984|4,41984|0,41984|5,41984|6,42058|1,42058|2,42132|4,42132|0,42132|5,42206|6,42206|1,42281|0,42281|4,42281|2,42281|5,42355|6,42355|1,42429|2,42429|0,42429|4,42503|6,42503|5,42578|2,42578|0,42578|4,42578|1,42652|5,42652|6,42726|4,42726|1,42726|2,42800|6,42800|5) -
05:58 Aqo: this entire part
05:58 Aqo: is like a sound that goes from X to Y
05:58 Aqo: 00:43:023 (43023|2,43023|0,43023|5,43097|3,43097|4,43172|5,43172|6,43172|0,43172|1,43246|3,43246|2,43320|1,43320|4,43320|5,43394|2,43394|0,43469|5,43469|1,43469|6,43469|3,43543|2,43543|4,43617|3,43617|1,43617|6,43691|2,43691|0,43766|3,43766|6,43766|4,43766|5) -
05:58 Aqo: and then this part
05:58 Aqo: goes from Y to X
05:58 Aqo: can you hear in the music what I mean?
05:58 ArcherLove: yes
05:58 ArcherLove: the chord of piano
05:58 Aqo: yes
05:58 Aqo: so again
05:58 ArcherLove: the melody*
05:58 Aqo: I'd try to put the notes
05:58 Aqo: in a way that represents this
05:59 Aqo: your notes right now don't really represent this so they feel random while playing
05:59 Aqo: it's the strongest sound of the music so it's the first impression the player gets
05:59 Aqo: now
05:59 ArcherLove: I will try to make that
05:59 Aqo: this entire song
05:59 Aqo: has a constant drum beat per 1/1 that you can hear clearly
06:00 Aqo: 00:44:063 - but starting from here
06:00 Aqo: it's a lot louder
06:00 Aqo: it suddenly adds a layer to itself and takes some spotlight
06:00 Aqo: so again, I'd try to represent this in the chart
06:00 ArcherLove: hmm
06:00 Aqo: by using same chord size per 1/1 line
06:00 Aqo: for at least one or two measures
06:00 Aqo: to give that feel to the player
06:01 ArcherLove: I already try that before
06:01 Aqo: then from here
06:01 Aqo: 00:48:815 -
06:01 Aqo: suddenly the drum tempo doubles
06:01 Aqo: now it's per 1/2
06:01 Aqo: so maybe here I'll already change the pattern completely
06:01 Aqo: into repeated 1/2 notes
06:01 ArcherLove: if it's too much note it will become like brackets too much
06:01 Aqo: 00:50:003 - at this part piano is suddenly strong again
06:01 Aqo: so you can do it for just one measure
06:01 ArcherLove: many of o2 player ignore some sound to make better playability
06:02 Aqo: your chart already has a ton of brackets lol
06:02 Aqo: 00:52:974 (52974|2,52974|1,52974|5,53048|4,53122|3,53196|2,53271|1,53271|3,53271|5,53345|4,53419|3,53493|2) -
06:02 ArcherLove: well
06:02 ArcherLove: not denying
06:02 Aqo: I think this is visually bad
06:02 Aqo: you started using LN in the middle of this measure
06:02 Aqo: and in the next measure it's full LN transition
06:03 Aqo: imo this breaks the transition
06:03 Aqo: it's better if this first measure stays rice
06:03 Aqo: and then the transition into LN pattern is more clear
06:03 ArcherLove: alright
06:03 Aqo: the reason you used LN here
06:03 Aqo: is because of the piano getting stronger
06:03 Aqo: right?
06:03 ArcherLove:
http://puu.sh/nmVcM/57ce1fe4ed.png06:03 ArcherLove: done
06:03 ArcherLove: is that ok?
06:03 Aqo: no
06:04 Aqo: it looks boring and it's unbalanced
06:04 Aqo: why 45 34 34 34
06:04 Aqo: 00:52:677 - starting from this
06:04 Aqo: which is 1/4 into the big measure
06:04 Aqo: there's a very clear piano taking action
06:04 Aqo: you could emphasize this with delay notes
06:05 Aqo: I think this is what O2 charter would do from what I've seen in charts
06:05 Aqo: even that it's overmapped, it follows the feel of the tension here
06:05 ArcherLove: like this?
http://puu.sh/nmViA/35b7b52aa6.jpg06:05 Aqo: this is not delay note this is regular stream
06:06 ArcherLove: delay note is.. only 1/2 sound?
06:06 Aqo: although you could do this too
06:06 Aqo: delay note is 1/8
06:06 Aqo: delay = double speed
06:06 ArcherLove: ah
06:06 ArcherLove: ok
06:06 Aqo: but again this is already a style suggestion
06:06 Aqo: you don't have to do this
06:06 Aqo: I just really think that
06:06 Aqo: it feels better if 00:53:568 - is where you transition
06:06 Aqo: from rice to LN
06:07 Aqo: because this is a very strong transition in the song itself
06:07 Aqo: so it emphasizes it nicely if you do it here
06:07 ArcherLove:
http://puu.sh/nmVpj/7ef399843e.jpg06:07 ArcherLove: is this ok
06:07 Aqo: hmm but where is the balance...
06:07 ArcherLove: ikr..
06:08 Aqo: look at your note placement vertically...
06:08 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/pO8xxq1.png06:08 Aqo: this is veeery awkward to play
06:08 ArcherLove: it is lol
06:08 ArcherLove: hard to make because 00:52:380 (52380|6,52974|0) -
06:08 Aqo: 00:52:974 (52974|0) - ditch this
06:08 Aqo: until now you only had one LN per measure in this section
06:08 Aqo: no need to change it at the last moment
06:09 Aqo: let me show you how I'd structure it
06:09 ArcherLove: ok
06:09 Aqo: again this is not how you have to do it
06:09 ArcherLove: gogo I will repattern other section first then
06:09 ArcherLove: yeah
06:09 Aqo: but this is how my brain works so it's easier to explain
06:09 Aqo: step 1:
06:09 Aqo: there's a clear drum so I want hand balance to follow it
06:09 Aqo: same step vertically
06:10 Aqo: and it also needs to transition into the next part
06:10 Aqo: next part starts on note 2
06:10 Aqo: and it travels across 234
06:10 Aqo: so what I do is this first
06:10 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/wuHP3BP.png06:10 Aqo: after I placed this, I need to think about the faster notes
06:10 Aqo: every 1/1 section has more or less the same sound
06:10 Aqo: but per step
06:10 Aqo: intensity grows
06:11 Aqo: also at 00:52:677 -
06:11 Aqo: high pitch piano enters the scene and takes action
06:11 Aqo: so I want to represent it by starting a different transition here
06:11 Aqo: so basically my ideas are
06:11 Aqo: 1. because it's always the same, but grows -> motions always in same direction, but density or difficulty goes up
06:11 Aqo: first part is just regular 1/4 notes like we played until now
06:12 Aqo: second part becomes 1/8 delay notes due to the emphasized piano
06:12 Aqo: next parts I'm still not sure, so I place the notes firsat
06:12 Aqo: place blue lines first
06:12 Aqo: must easier to know this way
http://i.imgur.com/iVraPbZ.png06:12 Aqo: where goes what
06:12 Aqo: then place the rest
06:13 Aqo: but then I notice a problem
06:13 Aqo:
http://i.imgur.com/XtcXeby.png06:13 Aqo: so switch it up
06:14 ArcherLove: alright wait wait
06:14 Aqo: ok at this point I notice something
06:14 Aqo: first of all it became like this
http://i.imgur.com/7LZXZYx.png06:15 Aqo: this ended up coming in from both directions
http://i.imgur.com/gj2BzhS.png06:15 Aqo: it doesn't feel like it goes left or right
06:15 Aqo: so maybe I can shift left/right after it
06:15 Aqo: to make the player notice the increments per segment
06:16 Aqo: sdfkdghfdghdfgdf
06:16 ArcherLove: that is nice pattern and nice idea
06:16 Aqo: anyway it's pointless for me to map it all the way
06:16 ArcherLove: and nice way of thinking
06:16 Aqo: but my point was just
06:16 Aqo: consider everything
06:16 Aqo: the music, each layer of it, the player, his hands, his fingers
06:16 Aqo: mapping takes time ;w;
06:16 Aqo: but if you manage to consider everything, you get a nice map
06:16 ArcherLove: yes
06:16 ArcherLove: this is actually reaaalllyy worth of kudosu
06:17 ArcherLove: is going for 2x kds allowed?
06:17 ArcherLove: lol
06:17 Aqo: lol dunno
06:17 Aqo: k I should sleep it's 6:20am already wow
why i keep miss
