This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 08 January 2011 at 17:29:45

Artist: NotShinta
Title: Aha?
Tags: Imogen Heap Ellipse
BPM: 177
Filesize: 3617kb
Play Time: 02:24
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (0.89 stars, 79 notes)
2. Shinta's ohohoho.png (3 stars, 149 notes)
3. Troll (4.85 stars, 252 notes)

Download: NotShinta - Aha?
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Cost you to me quiet~

Aha~

cosrsdsdfdcdAHHAAAA

LOL

WUT???

Wow...erm.......yeah......

Serious modding here.

1. Play map. Find no errors while playing and have a jolly good time.
2. Open map in editor.
3. Check files in folder. Discover 256kbps mp3 (cost you to keep me quiet).
4. Open AIMod. More than three unique slider speeds are used (cost you to keep me quiet).
5. Star~

Magnificent

oh my god

Why yes, this does suck. Cost you to keep me quiet.

Download: NotShinta - Aha (RandomJibberish) [Shinta's Cost You To Me Quiet].osu

Is it ok to star a map after only listening to the preview?

No. Not at alll.

Shinta's Cost;

00:19:962 (6) - 1/2 forward.

Troll;

01:26:572 (6) - ctrl+r :3

all my love

[General]
Add tag 'NotShinta' or 'aka' things about 'NotShinta'

[Easy]
More than 3 unique slider speed ;_;
02:08:354 (1) - [Suggestion] If possible, make it more symmetric :3

[Shinta's Cost You To Me Quiet]
More than 3 unique slider speed ;_;
02:04:422 (1) - [Suggestion] If possible, make it more symmetric :3

[Troll]
More than 3 unique slider speed ;_;



Somebody should make Taiko diff for this orz

ps. Don't give kudosu for this orz

Hi!

[General]
So scared ;w;

[Easy]
00:17:928 - Add a note and move the slider to 00:18:267.

[Troll]
00:23:182 (1) - Remove New Combo.
00:58:437 (1) - ^.

How i can't star this? XD

My Diff
00:46:233 (1,2,3) - Move these down. I don't usually mind notes overlapping with the hp bar, but there is no reason for these to do so.
00:51:657 (1,2) - ^
01:48:606 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I forgot to ask do you think this is silly
Also, remove the claps on the red colourhax bit. They sound awful because those sliders end on 1/2s, and I was to fucking lazy to fix.

Hey I appear to think better when I'm tired. Or really, really zzzzzzz

luved this one <3
kudos star :3

General:
- Remove that troll tag 'AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAA'. It's not like anyone will ever search for that.

Easy:
MORE THAN THREE UNIQUE SLIDERSPEEDS, FAGGOT.
If you wanna have troll diff names, then think of one for this too.
00:21:742 - make this a 0.8 section and scale that slider up, So that the sliderticks don't overlap so ugly. Also you have later a 0.8x section so that would be one sliderpseed less >w<
00:57:081 - ^
02:24:402 - Add here a note too maybe?

Shinta's ohohoho.png:
MORE THAN THREE UNIQUE SLIDERSPEEDS, FAGGOT.
00:48:945 - Add a note here?
00:56:233 - ^
01:43:098 - start the break 1/4 later.

Troll:
MORE THAN THREE UNIQUE SLIDERSPEEDS, FAGGOT.
Have fun with the rest of your flawless troll map.

uhhh aha

General
dat diff names

Easy
nothing to say

Troll
02:08:354 (1) - dat slider <3

Shinta's ohohoho.png
Remove countdown in this diff as the other diffs don't have it.
00:55:047 (4,5) - I think this jump is hard to play for a Normal diff (if it is actually a Normal)
01:26:572 (6,1) - ^

useless mod is useless. Don't kudo.

I love this! ^^
*Attention Please~!*

As a rule said

A maximum of three slider velocities may be used. This includes 1x, so for example you can have a single map using 0.6x, 0.8x, and 1x, or 1x, 1.5x and 2x.

I have used 0.7, 0.8 and 0.75 which are very similar, which essentially brings it down to 4. Also, I used 2x on the BPM reduction to make it MORE intuitive, so there isn't really an issue

No one cares about slider speed rules, bubbled

Timing:
Timing in the 125 BPM section should probably be 125.6
Also make the 108.34 BPM section start on 02:08:206.

ohohoho.png:
01:56:742 (1,2) - These sliders sound bad and you should feel bad. by which I mean you should probably end them 1/2 earlier. they're also a bit ugly.

you can't hold 3 more type of velocity inhert

NotShinta wrote:

I have used 0.7, 0.8 and 0.75 which are very similar

this is not a valid reason

only when you want guidelines are only guidelines, eh?



/me leaves

Lunah wrote:

NotShinta wrote:

I have used 0.7, 0.8 and 0.75 which are very similar

this is not a valid reason

>3 slider speeds do not break a map, unlike what you're referring to, plus, in this case, they work well. And, how many times, rules and guidelines are completely different things, and both exist.

*Facepalm*

Guidelines are only guidelines for most of them. Some of them, however, are not guidelines, they are rules, such as not using red sections for slider speed changes.

guidelines are guidelines when some special guys need it to be guidelines.
rules are rules when some special guys need it to be rules.

in fact i'm a total supporter of >3 BPM changes, as well as red line hold sliders (it could be done with hundreds of red dots as i proved, so what's the point of that unrankable)
but seriously, multi-standard just making the whole things shit. i'd like to see this get ranked, and THIS keeps as a guideline.
/me leaves.

This demonstrates the fault in the current guidelines/rules system - It is not clear which are guidelines and which are rules. I have proposed separate lists in the past, but it has been largely ignored.

hi there here's a bubble

peppy wrote:

READ THIS: All guidelines are exactly that: GUIDELINES. They are NOT rules and may be broken in special cases. If you are wanting to break a guideline, ask yourself only this: Does what I'm doing make sense? Is it more fun to play like this compared to if i had to stick to the guidelines? If you answer yes to both these questions then it is probably OK.

why not tolerate maps that have a good reason, instead of saying "it's rule" before even understand that.
just imagine someone stay here and shout to you "it's fucking rules!"/"don't just say these are guidelines"/blablabla

consider about current status, it's easy for people to know there IS a multi-standard, disapointted.

I don't just say the hold slider guideline a rule, I know it's a rule - It's unrankable for technical reasons and peppy specifically singled it out as unrankable.

hypocrisy.

and why would time a song to the Background music and then try mapping to something that isn't going to sync up with the metronome

Let's recap for a moment.

You have:

1. 177 BPM: 0,7x; 1,0x; 1,33x, 1,5x. So let's say: 123,9; 177; 235,4 and 265,5 BPM at 1,0x
   
2. 125,6 BPM: 2x only (in the same exact place, i thought this was an unrankable issue but maybe i'm wrong). So 251,2 BPM
   
3. 108,34 BPM: 0,8x (in the same exact place again); 0,75x. So 86,67 and 81,26
   
4. 177 BPM: 1x

You have 7 different speeds. We can group them as (81,26; 86,67) / (123,9) / (177) / (235,4; 251,2; 265,5).
Let's say you have 4 or 5 different speeds then.
I'm not really against all these changes (because i always supported any kind of creativity), but i guess you could easily avoid having 3 "almost identical slider speeds" by making some more calculations.

So, as a reminder for all of you here, please don't be too stingy with other mappers: by making a map with 7 slider speeds you're only asking people to attack you using the same things you probably said to them.

That said:
Most of the times i had no major problems, but there are some things i'd like to ask:
- Is there really a difference between 0,8 and 0,75 at the 108,34BPM section?
- 02:08:206 (1) - sliderticks make breaking this slider incredibly easy, because the player is used to fast speed to that point
- There are some things "off-timed" because they're supposed to follow the... "singing" which is offtimed.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

- There are some things "off-timed" because they're supposed to follow the... "singing" which is offtimed.

Yeah, vocal is offtimed in some parts

EDIT : The easy is almost all offtimed, because you followed the vocal

Lunah wrote:

hypocrisy

When have I complained about anybody else using more than three slider speeds?

Lunah wrote:

Go to map a song, not a random guy that screams like the other awesome "ztrout", it can be funny but you're not the only here, your map will be played by all osu!, just for remember

I and everyone else am at liberty to map whatever I want. I could complain about you mapping nightcore, which is essentially the original song sped up and made higher with a beat underneath, but I don't. I also have no idea how you can't find this hilarious

@Following vocal - I'm sure the player isn't stupid enough to tap when the actual vocals occured, so I placed beats where the vocals should be, where they are in the original song

And of course, having 0.8, 0.7 and 0.75 isn't neccesary, and I should have reused speeds at points instead of making new ones. I think you'll agree, however, that it works fine as it is now and isn't worth adjusting a large number of sliders to fix.

The slow slider has already been increased in speed - Anyone looking at the ticks can easily see the slowdown coming. Actually, I'd say the speedup at the BPM change is worse.

does this mean i can use 10 slider speeds in a map?

ouranhshc wrote:

does this mean i can use 10 slider speeds in a map?

Probably, if they actually worked well with the map. As unlikely as that is.

RandomJibberish wrote:

And of course, having 0.8, 0.7 and 0.75 isn't neccesary, and I should have reused speeds at points instead of making new ones. I think you'll agree, however, that it works fine as it is now and isn't worth adjusting a large number of sliders to fix.

In fact i did: "I'm not really against all these changes (because i always supported any kind of creativity)"
I just wondered why.

RandomJibberish wrote:

The slow slider has already been increased in speed - Anyone looking at the ticks can easily see the slowdown coming. Actually, I'd say the speedup at the BPM change is worse.

That's not entirely true actually.
I've been playing for more than 2 years with the "old" method and seeing more sliderticks resulted in a faster slider.
But i don't mind that too, i wanted to point it out.

I won't mod this further because i don't want to see my ears bleeding.

Hey, yo. No one cares if you use more than 3 slider speeds as long as:
- You don't use red sections to achieve them (The red sections here are used because the actual timing changes. Yeah, really.)
- Your slider speeds fit.

The difference between red section and green section velocity changes is the following:
Red sections not only influence the slider speed, but also the metronome, the Kiai and a lot of other things, and thus peppy does not want them to be used for ANYTHING ELSE than actual timing changes. Which means that you cannot say anything but "NO. DON'T DO THAT." whenever you see them used.
Green sections only influence the slider speeds. The "don't use more than 3 slider speeds" guideline is set in place so people don't go and use slider speeds everywhere where they don't fit. However, IF they fit, you can use as many slider speeds as you want.

I suggest that you people start using your bloody brain.

Also, the song is rankable. Denying rankability for song choice is ridiculous. If that would be done, I could as well just go ahead and unrank every single bloody nightcore song because they make half the community cringe. But I don't. Because song choice is something that the mapper himself has to decide. Remember the front page?

[...]intuitive creation of your own beatmaps for the songs you want to play.

Now get out of MY FACE.

Sorry.

Easy

General : ad CnF said, slider velocity (inhert sections) :

x1
x0,8
x1,33
x1,5
x0,75
x2

6 type of velocity and you guys always mod this like "you can't use more than 3"

00:11:572 (1) - Offtime
00:12:335 (2) - Offtime
00:12:843 (3) - Offtime
00:14:030 (4) - Offtime
00:24:538 (1) - I think you should add a storyboard-warning or something else, because it goes too fast for a easy (and tickrate is 2)
00:27:250 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:46:233 (1) - Offtime
00:47:420 (2) - Offtime
00:47:928 (3) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:21:487 (1) - ^
01:43:182 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - In this part vocal confuses.
01:56:742 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:00:563 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:04:385 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:06:296 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason


I just added the most offtimed, but almost all that follow the vocal is off

Shinta's ohohoho.png (merry christmas?)

General : slider velocity (inhert sections) (same to the easy)
Name of the difficulty is ridiculous, yeah for rule you can call it how you want but .. a bit of sense .. c'mon
Slider Velocity 1,76 for a Normal ? i remember you that you used some 2x (and similiar) parts here



This difficulty settings for make it like a "Normal" for the Star Rating, ... speechless (if it is a Hard for you, there is the same problems about slider velocity 2,33 that i'll link on the modding, but i think it is not for the Difficulty Setting.)


00:10:979 (1) - Offtime
00:11:657 (2) - Offtime
00:12:165 (3) - Offtime
00:13:521 (5) - Offtime (Totally)
00:13:860 (1) - Offtime (Totally)
00:14:030 (2) - Offtime (Totally)
00:16:403 (1) - Offtime
00:16:742 (2) - Offtime
00:17:081 (3) - Offtime
00:17:589 (4) - Offtime
00:17:928 (5) - Offtime
00:18:267 (1) - Offtime
00:18:437 (2) - Offtime
00:18:776 (3) - Offtime
00:19:115 (4) - Offtime
00:20:301 (1) - Offtime
00:21:487 (3) - Offtime
00:24:538 (1) - What ? are you serious ? this is a normal, and this slider is like "2,33 of speed (approximately)" (1.33/34) even with a SB you can't keep it, just for adding the slidetickrate is 2..
00:25:894 (2) - ^
00:27:250 (1) - ^
00:28:606 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:30:809 (2) - ^ (+ Reverse.. that make it harder .. hm)
00:30:809 (2) - Offtime
00:31:996 (3) - Offtime
00:47:250 (2) - Offtime
00:47:420 (3) - Offtime
00:54:369 (2) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:01:148 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:02:504 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:03:860 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:05:216 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:06:064 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity + Reverse ..
01:06:064 (2) - Offtime
01:07:250 (3) - Offtime
01:23:860 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:24:877 (3) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:26:911 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:27:928 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:28:945 (3) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:29:962 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - I hope this jump is because it is a Hard..
01:48:606 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - In this part vocal confuses.
01:56:742 (1) - What.. Same problem with the slider velocity
01:58:652 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:00:563 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:02:474 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:04:385 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:06:296 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity

So, for me it is easy to play, but for a random player, it is not, i'm saying this because these sliders are too hard for a Normal/Hard
Same here, I just added the most offtimed, but almost all that follow the vocal is off

Troll

General : slider velocity (inhert sections) (same to the easy-shinta)
Change the slider tick-rate to 1, because there are some slider like 2,9 of velocity (1,33)

00:13:521 (6) - Offtime
00:14:030 (7) - Offtime
00:14:199 (8) - Offtime
00:14:369 (9) - Offtime
00:17:250 (2) - Offtime
00:17:420 (3) - Offtime
00:17:589 (4) - Offtime
00:20:301 (10) - Offtime (totally)
00:20:979 (11) - Offtime (totally)
00:24:538 (1) - Here you need a storyboard-warning i guess (too for the tick rate 2)
00:25:047 (2) - ^
00:25:894 (1) - ^
00:26:403 (2) - ^
00:27:250 (1) - ^
00:27:759 (2) - ^
00:28:606 (1) - ^
00:29:115 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:30:470 (2) - ^
00:31:318 (1) - ^
00:31:826 (2) - ^
00:46:911 (3) - Offtime
00:47:928 (1) - Offtime
00:48:098 (2) - Offtime
00:48:267 (3) - Offtime
00:49:284 (1) - Offtime
00:49:454 (2) - Offtime
00:49:623 (3) - Offtime
00:53:860 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - All offtime
00:56:233 (1) - Offtime
00:56:403 (2) - Offtime
00:56:572 (3) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:00:301 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:01:148 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:01:657 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:02:504 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:03:013 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:03:860 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:04:369 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:05:216 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:05:725 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:06:572 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:07:081 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:21:487 (1) - 01:37:759 (1) - This part same ^
01:56:742 (1) - 2x ? this is not the lesjuh TAG strange program for approval, (4,48)
01:57:697 (2) - ^
01:58:652 (3) - ^
02:00:563 (1) - ^
02:01:519 (2) - ^
02:02:474 (3) - ^
02:04:385 (1) - ^
02:06:296 (3) - ^
02:08:206 (1) - This slow is TOTALLY confusing, here i missed here in gameplay.
02:19:317 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Here the vocal confuses.
02:19:317 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Here the vocal confuses.

Why the storyboard?.. because before sliders were slow and this is confusing



I have no more to add i guess,

Fuck off

I've explained the reasons for all of those already. Jussayin'

RandomJibberish wrote:

I've explained the reasons for all of those already. Jussayin'

Did you explained why the timing is wrong?

No sane person would follow the vocals here, not even new players.