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Camellia - Routing

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Broccoly
1,359 posts
Joined May 2012
Broccoly

Shiirn wrote:

Generally as a rule: If you see me do something literally a dozen times, it's not because I made a mistake a dozen times. It's because it's on purpose. The stamina required to singletap 144bpm 1/4 is negated by the fact that half the jumps are sliders, the accuracy difficulty for alternators is also partially negated by the fact that half the jumps are sliders.
I wasn't saying you were making a mistake. I was questioning if you truly understand how really ducking hard those patterns are. Just making sure because I consider myself a pretty good alternator (yes, I've been alternating my whole osu life) and the fact that I alternate doesn't really negate the difficulty of those patterns. Moreover, I don't think anyone's gonna singletap at this speed unless you're vaxei or kuu01. You're actually forcing singletappers to alternate, which makes them perform not as well as they usually would.

Also the important fact is that the sliders actually make it worse, since they make players very easily sliderbreak; I would've complained less if they were circles, OR if they were not polar opposite from the direction of the jumps. My point is that the speed and the difficulty of the jumps are extremely high to the point where the map feels separated and detached from the music. They might visually look good and might make sense but it really doesn't when you actually play them.

That's my only concern. Other parts look good now.
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Topic Starter
Shiirn
I fully understand how difficult they are - I think a lot of the difficulty in your case comes from the fact that they are rapid polarity switches, and that can be overwhelming for high-ranking players used to every click following an on-beat structure. I haven't seen any map in the past five months which accurately or even tried to do any sort of off-beat patterning, much less at 288 bpm, so like I've said before, this map may be too much too soon for a playerbase unprepared for it.

Also, before the first DQ, they actually were pointed in several different directions. The entire reason Comfort was DQ'd the first time was because of that section's sliders being positioned to move slightly away from the next circle - the justification was that it would lead to players getting unfair 100s. Note that this meant 'sliderbreaks' were not the issue, but getting unfair 100s was. Somehow the issue that they were causing combo breaks was far less of a problem than the fact that they were causing 100s. I wonder why.
By swapping the direction of many of the sliders and re-structuring the section to be pretty much raw back-and-forth, we return to the basic issue that they are now combining several 'difficult' challenges at once that I initially didn't want -

-they're rapid offbeat swaps, which is hard enough at 170bpm, much less 288 (I wanted this)
-they're very spaced back and forths in a left and right pattern, which is extremely hard for tablet users with a normal grip, as it either requires a lot of wrist strain or very precise scrunching of the fingers to get the right movement. I tried to alleviate this a bit by angling the patterns off-lateral, but it's still a biiiiitch. (I didn't want this, but it was a choice I made to try and struggle with.)
-they're much harder to read despite the "easier" flow provided by having the sliders roughly point at the next circle. (I didn't want this.)


At this point, I just gave people what they wanted after the first DQ. I did the suggestions provided, damned the consequences. If people think I don't know what I'm doing and that I'm stupid or messing with things I don't understand but they do, that's fine. I did my best to incorporate their suggestions in a way that satisfies them while still providing me with what I desire from this map, which, believe it or not, does include playability in the upper echelons of skill.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF

Shiirn wrote:

God Shiirn you've got a screw loose
[Shiirngaku's Hyper]
00:30:603 (2,3) - man I super don't agree with this weird antijump, it feels unintuitive as hell considering the rest of the map's general flow

[Ongaku's Another]
00:30:186 (4,5) - same as above, I'd probably just Ctrl+G (4) and give it a repeat honestly

[Extra]
01:28:598 - It feels noticeably weird to not have a note here or on the 1/4 next to it, but considering the little vocal deet is 1/16 snap (or something else weird) and the 1/4 doesn't make sense except as a sliderend it's probably all right to exclude. I'm sure you mentioned this somewhere in the last 30 pages too but holy shit I'm not willing to take out my bible and read the entire Book of Shiirn to find this little offbeat note
01:35:707 (5,1) - This little "hold the sliders while going slowly" part feels amazingly out of place to me considering the rest of the bouncy chaos going on. It's probably okay honestly, I just don't like it ;)

[Comfort]
This has seriously been modded to death and it shows, it's way better than it was when I DQ'd this map and I don't have anything to say that wouldn't be pointless nitpicking.


Call me back!
Ongaku
607 posts
Joined January 2014
Ongaku

MillhioreF wrote:

Shiirn wrote:

God Shiirn you've got a screw loose
[Ongaku's Another]
00:30:186 (4,5) - same as above, I'd probably just Ctrl+G (4) and give it a repeat honestly just made 00:30:186 (4) - an entire reverse slider.
thank you <3

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Luel Roseline
1,034 posts
Joined February 2014
Luel Roseline
Plz Shiirn...
Rank this map completely...Everyone want to play this mapset...
Underforest
5,895 posts
Joined July 2015
Underforest
yeah it's happening :)
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Topic Starter
Shiirn

MillhioreF wrote:

Shiirn wrote:

God Shiirn you've got a screw loose
[Shiirngaku's Hyper]
00:30:603 (2,3) - man I super don't agree with this weird antijump, it feels unintuitive as hell considering the rest of the map's general flow moved 2 a bit.

[Extra]
01:28:598 - It feels noticeably weird to not have a note here or on the 1/4 next to it, but considering the little vocal deet is 1/16 snap (or something else weird) and the 1/4 doesn't make sense except as a sliderend it's probably all right to exclude. I'm sure you mentioned this somewhere in the last 30 pages too but holy shit I'm not willing to take out my bible and read the entire Book of Shiirn to find this little offbeat note Please dear lord! That book would be massive. But just in case, This is one of the conscious decisions made to make extra less dense than Comfort. It makes this particular area feel a bit less powerful than it should, but that's because following the actual music is really hard. I stand by my statement that the most difficult part of Comfort is not the spacing, it's the rhythms. A player that can keep up Comfort's rhythms isn't going to really care about the spacing, they're probably good enough to cross-screen 400 bpm no sweat.
01:35:707 (5,1) - This little "hold the sliders while going slowly" part feels amazingly out of place to me considering the rest of the bouncy chaos going on. It's probably okay honestly, I just don't like it ;) But you do bounce! or you should, at least - Simply holding onto the start of the slider causes you to 100 this, so a proper playthrough of this combo already makes your cursor bounce a bit~

[Comfort]
This has seriously been modded to death and it shows, it's way better than it was when I DQ'd this map and I don't have anything to say that wouldn't be pointless nitpicking.


Call me back!
Mismagius
9,239 posts
Joined July 2008
Mismagius
Okay, fixed a bunch of stuff with Shiirn on IRC.

Qualified!
Ongaku
607 posts
Joined January 2014
Ongaku
yay #2
PlasticMemor
204 posts
Joined June 2015
PlasticMemor
gg
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF

Blue Dragon wrote:

Okay, fixed a bunch of stuff with Shiirn on IRC.

Qualified!
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Topic Starter
Shiirn
Let's get all the post-qualification stuff on a new page!
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_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
Let the flame war begin

Gratz
Luel Roseline
1,034 posts
Joined February 2014
Luel Roseline
You got it, Shiirn.
Shiguma
476 posts
Joined May 2014
Shiguma

4 digit farmer wrote:

Lol why is this qualified? If this can be qualified, might as well rank Centipede.

Shigetora wrote:

Comfort = babbi's first map, ez pp :roll:
Congrats man!
Underforest
5,895 posts
Joined July 2015
Underforest
eeeeeeeeeh congratz man
you finally (hopefully?) deserve it!
RLC
Elite Mapper
1,006 posts
Joined August 2011
RLC
congrats !
Kibbleru
osu! Alumni
5,844 posts
Joined August 2013
Kibbleru
about 7 pages til qualification. and 24 pages of fucking drama.
i dislike drama queens, but damn shiirn, uve got balls of steel and an immense amount of dedication lol

gl
7ambda
2,560 posts
Joined January 2015
7ambda
What will that wacky Shiirn guy do next?
Shiirn
2,896 posts
Joined August 2010
Topic Starter
Shiirn

Kibbleru wrote:

about 7 pages til qualification. and 24 pages of fucking drama.
i dislike drama queens, but damn shiirn, uve got balls of steel and an immense amount of dedication lol

gl
oh, you think the drama is your ally,

you merely adopted drama

i was born in drama

molded by it

i didn't see the memes until i was already a man

and by then it was nothing to me but too dank!

the drama betrays you, because they belong to me.

I will show you my fortress of mapping, where I have prepared a list of A and B and C replays for 6 months.

Then, you shall despair.

Your precious mapping quality, gratefully obliged. I will take it. And the only remaining question will be,

what shall break first? Me, or this community?
Lance
626 posts
Joined August 2010
Lance

Shiirn wrote:

oh, you think the drama is your ally,

you merely adopted drama

i was born in drama

molded by it

i didn't see the memes until i was already a man

and by then it was nothing to me but too dank!

the drama betrays you, because they belong to me.

I will show you my fortress of mapping, where I have prepared a list of A and B and C replays for 6 months.

Then, you shall despair.

Your precious mapping quality, gratefully obliged. I will take it. And the only remaining question will be,

what shall break first? Me, or this community?
Dank
Yusomi
553 posts
Joined March 2014
Yusomi
Go on Shiirn lad, get her ranked!!
fieryrage
osu! Champion / Elite Nominator II
1,402 posts
Joined November 2013
fieryrage
cops busting someone on the street
ac8129464363
1,560 posts
Joined October 2013
ac8129464363
gl
Side
1,127 posts
Joined October 2013
Side
round 8 9 14 69 420
Zexous
713 posts
Joined July 2012
Zexous

Side wrote:

round 8 9 14 69 420
it
ProfessionalBox
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
771 posts
Joined September 2013
ProfessionalBox

Shiirn wrote:

Kibbleru wrote:

about 7 pages til qualification. and 24 pages of fucking drama.
i dislike drama queens, but damn shiirn, uve got balls of steel and an immense amount of dedication lol

gl
oh, you think the drama is your ally,

you merely adopted drama

i was born in drama

molded by it

i didn't see the memes until i was already a man

and by then it was nothing to me but too dank!

the drama betrays you, because they belong to me.

I will show you my fortress of mapping, where I have prepared a list of A and B and C replays for 6 months.

Then, you shall despair.

Your precious mapping quality, gratefully obliged. I will take it. And the only remaining question will be,

what shall break first? Me, or this community?
super gay
Avishay
1,250 posts
Joined April 2013
Avishay
when does drama start?
Anxient
1,568 posts
Joined June 2014
Anxient

Avishay wrote:

when does drama start?
day 6
Anxient
1,568 posts
Joined June 2014
Anxient
shiirn has brass balls
SnowNiNo_
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
2,106 posts
Joined April 2013
SnowNiNo_

Anxient wrote:

Avishay wrote:

when does drama start?
day 6
Shiguma
476 posts
Joined May 2014
Shiguma

Avishay wrote:

when does drama start?
Nozhomi
Global Moderator
4,568 posts
Joined May 2013
Nozhomi
So let see if it survive another round. #WeBelive
Sotarks
3,493 posts
Joined May 2014
Sotarks
*grab popcorns*
Helyana
200 posts
Joined February 2016
Helyana

Sotarks wrote:

*grab popcorns*
btw support for shiirn
_handholding
3,109 posts
Joined April 2014
_handholding
Should have kept the name as Discomfort :v :v
-Makishima S-
2,434 posts
Joined August 2013
-Makishima S-

Shiirn wrote:

Kibbleru wrote:

about 7 pages til qualification. and 24 pages of fucking drama.
i dislike drama queens, but damn shiirn, uve got balls of steel and an immense amount of dedication lol

gl
oh, you think the drama is your ally,

you merely adopted drama

i was born in drama

molded by it

i didn't see the memes until i was already a man

and by then it was nothing to me but too dank!

the drama betrays you, because they belong to me.

I will show you my fortress of mapping, where I have prepared a list of A and B and C replays for 6 months.

Then, you shall despair.

Your precious mapping quality, gratefully obliged. I will take it. And the only remaining question will be,

what shall break first? Me, or this community?
I am scared :o
ComfyWolf
181 posts
Joined April 2015
ComfyWolf

Shiirn wrote:

Kibbleru wrote:

about 7 pages til qualification. and 24 pages of fucking drama.
i dislike drama queens, but damn shiirn, uve got balls of steel and an immense amount of dedication lol

gl
oh, you think the drama is your ally,

you merely adopted drama

i was born in drama

molded by it

i didn't see the memes until i was already a man

and by then it was nothing to me but too dank!

the drama betrays you, because they belong to me.

I will show you my fortress of mapping, where I have prepared a list of A and B and C replays for 6 months.

Then, you shall despair.

Your precious mapping quality, gratefully obliged. I will take it. And the only remaining question will be,

what shall break first? Me, or this community?

Drama... Drama never changes...
Varqaaa
17 posts
Joined October 2013
Varqaaa
Does anyone know where I can find the 9 star version? I can't seem to find it on bloodcat or osusearch or anything like that
Kuuma
133 posts
Joined November 2014
Kuuma
Wow! I'm surprised nobody has posted a random page-long mod pointing out things that have already been addressed before. Wow!
GO SHIIRN
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