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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on mercoledì 8 dicembre 2010 at 22.43.42

Artist: Len Kagamine
Title: Kokoro Kiseki
Tags: jun zyun toraboruta travolta fukusanbutsu rin vocaloid
BPM: 140
Filesize: 17209kb
Play Time: 04:02
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (0,82 stars, 185 notes)
  2. Heart (4,84 stars, 596 notes)
  3. Normal (4,04 stars, 365 notes)
Download: Len Kagamine - Kokoro Kiseki
Download: Len Kagamine - Kokoro Kiseki (no video)
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Two years ago.
That day, a map named "Kokoro" was submitted by Al-Azif.
That was the first miracle.
A month later, that same map was ranked, taking a place in everyone's "Heart".
That was the second miracle.
Two years passed, this map is now submitted as a "Thank You" for that mapper.
Is the third miracle still ...?

Thank you Al, thank you for making such awesome maps.



Completed!
Easy: v 1.0.6
Normal: v 1.1.1
Heart: v1.0.6

Storyboard/Skin elements: v1.0.3 (Last .osz update 9/12/2010)
Luxary
I don't need a fourth miracle.

Arigatou.
kuyukiP
:)
Curisu
I love this song.Thank you Al.
Can I make a guest diff?
Kenezz
Hi Card o/

Cute song <3

General
-Thumbs.db in the SB folder...
-Why you use dot.png?
-Tags: Vocaloid

Star~
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KenezzEdward wrote:

Hi Card o/ Hi (°°)/

Cute song <3 Hehehe

KenezzEdward wrote:

General
-Thumbs.db in the SB folder... Again.
-Why you use dot.png? To let people see a bit more of the ending of the video: it causes a skip button to appear.
-Tags: Vocaloid Oh, this made me think that i should add "Project Diva 2" to the Source as well. I have to add some more anyway, i think.
Thanks for modding, i'll update asap.
HakuNoKaemi
la Heart è uno spettacolo!
Cyril Scarlet
ヾ(*´Q`*)ノ
ignorethis
Hitsounds are too loud imo :)
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ignorethis wrote:

Hitsounds are too loud imo :)
Are you sure? O.o
I already turned them down in a lot of sections and actually some parts felt too low on hitsounds volume to me.

I'll wait more opinions about that.

Anyway: finally completed and moved to pending! Feel free to mod, guys.
Krisom
Then I'll be the first mod as promised.

General~
·You have a hitcircle overlay but you lack an approach circle and a hitcircle skin. Add them
· Is the mp3 192 kbps? If not, you'll have to re-encode and tune it down
· What about using the flowes of the SB as star2.png skin element? Just like Al used the leaves
· Is the timing ok? I felt something like 23 ms early at some places.

Easy~
00:21:057 (1) - Derp, look at the return arrow more carefully
00:47:414 (1) - ^
01:23:628 (1) - What about making it look like this? Code below
SPOILER
104,232,83628,6,0,B|140:180|212:144|256:124|300:144|372:180|408:232,1,360.000003576278,4|0
Check other sliders like 00:21:057, they might have the same error

Normal~
01:03:057 (1,2,3) - I found this hard to read for a normal
01:06:485 (1,2,3) - ^
Nothing else to poke at, I think this is too hard for a normal but that has to do with the style so ~

HardHeart~
I find "Miracle" a better name for this diff but whatever
02:48:057 (3,4,5) - These look weird in game (I mean the stack)

Star
banvi
starrr
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Krisom wrote:

Then I'll be the first mod as promised.

General~
·You have a hitcircle overlay but you lack an approach circle and a hitcircle skin. Add them I know, but i won't. I want to follow Kokoro.
· Is the mp3 192 kbps? If not, you'll have to re-encode and tune it down Actually, it's 128kbps. I dunno why Explorer says 320kbps but if you see filesize you won't have any doubt. I'm sure because i recompressed it by myself.
· What about using the flowes of the SB as star2.png skin element? Just like Al used the leaves I forgot, thanks for noticing. Added (and removed all thumbs.db files)
· Is the timing ok? I felt something like 23 ms early at some places. I'll look carefully into that later (it's late now @.@), i think i know what you mean

Easy~
00:21:057 (1) - Derp, look at the return arrow more carefully
00:47:414 (1) - ^
01:23:628 (1) - What about making it look like this? Code below
SPOILER
104,232,83628,6,0,B|140:180|212:144|256:124|300:144|372:180|408:232,1,360.000003576278,4|0
Check other sliders like 00:21:057, they might have the same error All of these done

Normal~
01:03:057 (1,2,3) - I found this hard to read for a normal
01:06:485 (1,2,3) - ^
Nothing else to poke at, I think this is too hard for a normal but that has to do with the style so ~ You're probably right, but i'm not gonna change them unless a LOT of people will complain.

HardHeart~
I find "Miracle" a better name for this diff but whatever Because "Hard" and "Heart" sound similiar~
02:48:057 (3,4,5) - These look weird in game (I mean the stack) Fixed by lowering Stack Leniency. The other stacks are not affected by this change.

Star ^_^
Sure
[General]
I strongly recommend you to change the MP3. Volume of each channels doesn't match. (Right lower than left)


And here are just some suggestions.

[Heart]
01:34:342 (1) - How about start this spinner at 01:33:914 ?
03:12:057 (1) - Same suggestion like ^


[Normal]
01:04:557 (3) - Isn't it hard to read to normal skilled player?
01:07:985 (3) - ^
01:11:414 (3) - ^
01:34:342 (1) - Same as Heart diff.
03:12:057 (1) - ^


[Easy]
01:34:342 (1) - Same as Heart diff.
03:12:057 (1) - ^


Nice map ^_^
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ykcarrot wrote:

[General]
I strongly recommend you to change the MP3. Volume of each channels doesn't match. (Right lower than left)
SPOILER
[attachment=0:2622e]Untitled-1.jpg[/attachment:2622e]
I did a looooooong check for this matter. Turns out, the original is like that from the start.
I tried another mp3, no success, it was the same. I tried another, volume was higher, but same thing. So i just went to the source and i searched the original Nico Nico video, i downloaded it, i ripped the audio and compared it with the mp3 i have: same thing again. I also heard the audio channels separately and it seems like the left channel is for Kokoro and the right channel is for the rearrangement. Len's Voice is in both channels. That's why the left channel is slightly higher. Problem is: since Len's voice is in both increasing right channel's volume withens it.
tl;dr: nothing i can do, it's just like that.


[Heart]
01:34:342 (1) - How about start this spinner at 01:33:914 ?
03:12:057 (1) - Same suggestion like ^ The intention is to have the flash while the spinner apears. So i can't move it.


[Normal]
01:04:557 (3) - Isn't it hard to read to normal skilled player?
01:07:985 (3) - ^
01:11:414 (3) - ^ This makes two people pointing this out... I'm still restraining from changing this because i don't really think it's a problem. I'll ask some people.
Thanks for modding ^^
(Thanks for noticing that mp3 issue, even if there's no solution for it. And sorry for denying)
Shiirn
Again, I'll point out that the song heavily favors the left side on volume; whether this is something you can fix or not, it's a very major problem for both playability and enjoyability. You need do decrease the bitrate from 320 to 192 as well; but that's also come up before.

The copy+pasting I see kind of makes me shudder, but in this song it works pretty well.


About the map itself:

Easy:
Very nice job on the slider tick-sound mapping.
01:20:200 (1) - You should probably make the third node from the top a red node, and move the last one over one tick.
01:34:342 (1) - This spinner might be a little short for a newbie.
03:49:771 (2,3,4) - Bouncebacks on hitcircles are pretty hard for newbies. Try turning this into a triangle or something.

Normal:
01:03:057 (1,2,3) - This is very hard to read. Also, you might want to move the slider ticks one up if you keep the pattern.
01:07:985 (3) - Very hard to read. In fact, isn't this a copy+paste?
01:11:414 (3) - Very- yeah.
03:12:057 (1) - Kiai during a spinner whydoyoudothis.

Heart:
In general alot of the combos are rather long.
00:46:557 (4,5) - This is really mean. But this is the hardest difficulty; so that's to be expected I guess.
01:23:199 (11,12) - ....same.
01:39:700 (4,5) - These really make me rage.


Other than the fact that Heart made me rage like a bitch (Which is my problem, not the map's), a very fun map. Starred.
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Shiirn wrote:

Again, I'll point out that the song heavily favors the left side on volume; whether this is something you can fix or not, it's a very major problem for both playability and enjoyability. You need do decrease the bitrate from 320 to 192 as well; but that's also come up before. I can't really do anything about the higher channel volume thing, as i explained before. About the mp3, it's not 320kbps but a 122kbps VBR (i thought i converted it but it seems i didn't do it to avoid excessive loss of quality). I dunno if you saw it, but i discussed this bitrate thing a bit with MetalMario and he told me not to reconvert (to avoid quality loss, indeed) and it's fine in this case.

The copy+pasting I see kind of makes me shudder, but in this song it works pretty well.


About the map itself:

Easy:
Very nice job on the slider tick-sound mapping.
01:20:200 (1) - You should probably make the third node from the top a red node, and move the last one over one tick. I didn't really understand what you mean, but having 01:18:914 (3) on the red line feels extremely awkward to me.
01:34:342 (1) - This spinner might be a little short for a newbie. I know, but i need them to be that way, i can't change them ç_ç
03:49:771 (2,3,4) - Bouncebacks on hitcircles are pretty hard for newbies. Try turning this into a triangle or something. True, fixed.

Normal:
01:03:057 (1,2,3) - This is very hard to read. Also, you might want to move the slider ticks one up if you keep the pattern.
01:07:985 (3) - Very hard to read. In fact, isn't this a copy+paste?
01:11:414 (3) - Very- yeah. Ok, since i got enough complaing about them, i changed the patterns. But i'll never give up for the beats being stacked 1/1.
03:12:057 (1) - Kiai during a spinner whydoyoudothis. It's in every diff, haven't you noticed? o.o Anyway: because of the music.

Heart:
In general alot of the combos are rather long. I don't remember them going over 16, actually.
00:46:557 (4,5) - This is really mean. But this is the hardest difficulty; so that's to be expected I guess.
01:23:199 (11,12) - ....same.
01:39:700 (4,5) - These really make me rage. Thanks for the feedback, but you're the first one complaining about them now so they'll stay.


Other than the fact that Heart made me rage like a bitch (Which is my problem, not the map's), a very fun map. Starred.
Thanks for modding.
Kurai
Kokoro <33

[Easy]
00:55:771 (3) - Remove whisle and add clap
01:34:342 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier
02:39:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/2 earlier
03:12:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier

[Normal]
01:34:342 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier
02:39:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/2 earlier
03:12:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier
03:56:414 (x) - Add note ?

[Heart]
00:13:556 (8) - New combo
01:25:557 (8) - New combo
01:34:342 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier
01:37:557 (7) - New combo
02:19:021 (4) - Sounds better if you move this circle onto the previous blue tick
02:25:878 (4) - ^
02:39:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/2 earlier
03:12:057 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier
03:15:272 (7) - New combo

Nice job with the hitsounds :)
Star~
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KuraiPettan wrote:

Kokoro <33

[Easy]
00:55:771 (3) - Remove whisle and add clap Nope, the pattern is clap,clap,clap,(nothing) twice.
01:34:342 (1) - Begin this spinner 1/1 earlier Nope at all the spinners

[Normal]
03:56:414 (x) - Add note ? Uhm, i know what you mean but i removed it intentionally while mapping. I'll keep it in mind if someone esle suggests it.

[Heart]
00:13:556 (8) - New combo Nope
01:25:557 (8) - New combo ^
01:37:557 (7) - New combo ^
02:19:021 (4) - Sounds better if you move this circle onto the previous blue tick AWESOME, done
02:25:878 (4) - ^ Yep
03:15:272 (7) - New combo Nope :<

Nice job with the hitsounds :)
Star~
Thanks for modding, awesome suggestion at 02:19:021 (4)!
loveFantasy
some suggestions, i'm an immature mapper so please treat them as feedbacks more than mods :P

NORMAL
[00:14:268] (7,1) dont stack these
[00:21:700] add a note here
[00:48:485] (4,5) simply make them 1/2 slider
[01:04:557] (3,4) dont stack these
[01:07:985] (3,4) ^
[01:47:200] (3) change a clearer hitsound, clap maybe?
[02:16:771] (T) change to 60% vol.
[02:23:628] (T) change to 60% vol.
[03:15:914] (6,7,8) soft-whistle soft-normal normal-normal
[03:30:271] (5) change to normal-normal
[03:37:128] (5) ^
[03:47:628] (1) use 1 beat length instead

HEART
[00:14:629] (12) change to normal-normal
[00:48:485] (4,5) make them 1/4 longer and rearrange position
[01:37:557] (7,8,9,10) i personally think this pattern is overused
[02:16:771] this part is same as [Normal], the contrast between normal part and soft part is a bit too much for me
[03:41:842] (5,6,7,8) like normal-normal-clap-normal better
[03:43:556] (5,6,7,8) ^

star~
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loveFantasy wrote:

some suggestions, i'm an immature mapper so please treat them as feedbacks more than mods :P

NORMAL
[00:14:268] (7,1) dont stack these Actually, i'd move it, but i can't find another good enough place. Suggestions?
[00:21:700] add a note here Nope, it's there in Heart already
[00:48:485] (4,5) simply make them 1/2 slider Uhm... too many 1/2 then :<
[01:04:557] (3,4) dont stack these As i said above, no
[01:07:985] (3,4) ^ As i said above, no
[01:47:200] (3) change a clearer hitsound, clap maybe? Claps only for the choruses
[02:16:771] (T) change to 60% vol. Re-balanced all timing sections in every difficulty.
[02:23:628] (T) change to 60% vol. ^
[03:15:914] (6,7,8) soft-whistle soft-normal normal-normal I don't like it >.<
[03:30:271] (5) change to normal-normal I hate having too many 2/1 claps
[03:37:128] (5) ^ ^
[03:47:628] (1) use 1 beat length instead You have a point here, but still i want to have as uch variety as possible.

HEART
[00:14:629] (12) change to normal-normal Have a look at 00:08:200 (1) :P Same rhythm pattern, that's why.
[00:48:485] (4,5) make them 1/4 longer and rearrange position This breaks the flow. When i was mapping i made them exactly like you said, but i didn't like them
[01:37:557] (7,8,9,10) i personally think this pattern is overused You're right, changed in 01:44:414 (7,8,9,10)
[02:16:771] this part is same as [Normal], the contrast between normal part and soft part is a bit too much for me Remade sections, as i said
[03:41:842] (5,6,7,8) like normal-normal-clap-normal better You're just too used to all those 2/1 claps that i hate :P
[03:43:556] (5,6,7,8) ^ ^

star~
Sorry for denying so much...
You suggestions were pretty solid, but most of them just went against my own intentional choices. (I like weird things)
Also, this modding made me notice that some sections' volumes were off.
Armin





....



swish
:)
Andrea
[Overall]

You have to add an "approachcircle.png" and an "hitcircle.png" if you're going to use an "hitcircleoverlay.png". Remember to full submit after this fix.

That's all, I'll rank when the fixes are applied.
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osuplayer111 wrote:

[Overall]

You have to add an "approachcircle.png" and an "hitcircle.png" if you're going to use an "hitcircleoverlay.png". Remember to full submit after this fix.

That's all, I'll rank when the fixes are applied.
You didn't read when i replied to Krisom.
I'm not adding them.

Feel free to ask why.
Andrea
Then, if you don't want to add them force the default skin or remove the "hitcircleoverlay.png".

Read this if you want to know why I'm forcing you to do this.



Anyway, I'm pretty sure that I know why you don't want to add them. You want to keep same skin objects like Al-Azif's Kokoro, right? ;)
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osuplayer111 wrote:

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that I know why you don't want to add them. You want to keep same skin objects like Al-Azif's Kokoro, right? ;)
Exactly.
I perfectly know why there's the need of having all three of them.
Even so, i'm not removing the overlay and i'm not adding a hitcircle.png.

Even if it's pointless, i'm just leaving this here:


Unless someone uses a retarded skin, this is what happens, and this is what i want to happen.
Andrea
Well, I guess this time we can let it pass then.

Ranked~
Kurai
Yeah :D
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I should say, this was unexpected °°

Thanks btw.
Andrea
;)
Heatherfield
what an LOL song ww
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