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Bad Apple, English remix. It's good, very good.

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Zetta
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Zetta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owFulRTR1Sc

Fukkin. Sick.

Her voice familiar? Well of course it is, that's because she's a professional Voice Actress who has an actual interest in shit like this.

I'm actually surprised this hasn't been mapped yet but guddaaaaaaamn. Good song.
YuiiMugii
70 posts
Joined July 2010
YuiiMugii
Oh, Christina Vee's dub?

It's been out for a while now.
Everyone already knows about.
Pokebis
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Pokebis
But it's Bad Apple.
It can't be good or very good.
adam2046
1,653 posts
Joined April 2008
adam2046
Old news in the wrong place.
Can anybody say wasteland?
Sleep Powder
1,540 posts
Joined October 2008
Sleep Powder
I've mapped her version of Super Driver~

I just haven't submitted it on osu! yet. If you want I can map Christina Vee songs.
IppE
IppE

Pokebis wrote:

But it's Bad Apple.
It can't be good or very good.
imo as a song its pretty good, its just getting bit old cause of constant repeating...
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
This is old...

I know 3 people who have already mapped it but yet to submit it.

Yeah...
Jarby
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Jarby

MarioBros777 wrote:

I know 3 people who have already mapped it
RandomJibberish
osu! Alumni
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RandomJibberish
Why am I the only one who thinks the vocals here are horribly over the top and painful
Mogsy
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Oh god, not this shit again. Third time in three days I've been shown this.

This version of Bad Apple is horrendous. Sure, I don't even like Bad Apple to begin with, but that's not influencing my opinion in any way. The lyrics seem more like faux-emo-poetry from a high school emo's journal than any semblance of actual sorrow (I'm sorry, but the actual translation of Bad Apple is much deeper than this English version could ever hope to be). The vocals are horrible; they are overproduced and even distract from the backing music, but that could be blamed on the mixing of this recording, seeing how you can barely fucking hear the background when in the original they merged so well together. As far as the vocals go, it felt much too legato. If you want to bring your own interpretation to something, sure, that's fine, but don't make an interpretation that sounds like shit. Not every note needs to flow together as if this were a ballad, honey, Bad Apple had separated-sounding vocals to begin with.[/rage]
Lilac
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Lilac
Ephemeral actually said the opposite...

He found the English one better than the Japanese one because the English lyrics fit with the song more than the 'Japanese Touhou crap' (paraphrased)

Something like that anyway.
Mogsy
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I honestly hate both versions, but lyrically, the English version sounds much too flowery. Word choice is key when writing any form of poetry (coughcoughsongwritingcough), and is usually very deliberate. This is one of the reasons why translations/lyrical re-writes to fit rhythms after translation seem to fail; translation usually does not pick up on the possible hidden meanings behind the word choice. This is no exception, and most of the lyrics come across as contrived and forced into these rhythms.

Please keep in mind, again, that I do not find Bad Apple good, nor do I find the straight translation of its lyrics to be phenomenal. I just find it more tolerable than the forced lyricism of this interpretation.

o no mogsy bein srs bout muzak wut haz dis wrld cum 2
NotShinta
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NotShinta
Those vocals are shit, Japanese ones fit better and actually sound better.
Jinxy
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Joined February 2009
Jinxy

MarioBros777 wrote:

Ephemeral actually said the opposite...

He found the English one better than the Japanese one because the English lyrics fit with the song more than the 'Japanese Touhou crap' (paraphrased)
I can't see how that works when the only thing touhou is the stuff that remains, the music.

Well, and the removed video is touhou too, I guess.
Xgor
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Xgor
Why does she sounds so much like a vocaloid :o
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
"Bad Apple"

"Good"

what.
dNextGen
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dNextGen

NotShinta wrote:

Those vocals are shit, Japanese ones fit better and actually sound better.
second
Mogsy
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Mogsy

Xgor wrote:

Why does she sounds so much like a vocaloid :o
Because it was terribly mixed. She applied the same effects that were on the vocals in the original, but thanks to terrible mixing, it's much more obviously disgusting-sounding.
YuiiMugii
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Joined July 2010
YuiiMugii

Xgor wrote:

Why does she sounds so much like a vocaloid :o
Because Cristina Vee literally sounds like a vocaloid whenever she speaks.
GladiOol
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GladiOol
Wow, this sounds even more horrible than the original, and that shit is HORRIBLE.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
These lyrics are so cliché they hurt my ears.
Babble
230 posts
Joined July 2009
Babble
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY EARS
Zetta
334 posts
Joined December 2009
Topic Starter
Zetta

GladiOol wrote:

Wow, this sounds even more horrible than the original, and that shit is HORRIBLE.

babble wrote:

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO MY EARS

Wojjan wrote:

These lyrics are so cliché they hurt my ears.

NotShinta wrote:

Those vocals are shit, Japanese ones fit better and actually sound better.

....Well I like it. :)
Mogsy
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It's not that we're trying to change your opinion, we're just offering our own input. I still think both versions are fucking awful.
Lilac
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Lilac
The only good version is the German one.

</thread>
Randy96
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Randy96

MarioBros777 wrote:

The only good version is the German one.

</thread>
You know, that fit quite well in my opinion.
Mara
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Mara

CDFA wrote:

"Bad Apple"

"Good"

what.
This.
Mogsy
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MarioBros777 wrote:

The only good version is the German one.

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Still not so good stylistically and this is, in terms of vocal ability, the worst out of all of them.
Neo@lex
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Neo@lex
This doesn't deserve its own topic.
Also my opinion > your opinion.
Bad Apple is kawaii.
Cuddlebun
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Cuddlebun

Mogsworth wrote:

It's not that we're trying to change you're opinion, we're just offering our own input. I still think both versions are fucking awful.
turn in your badge mogsy
Mogsy
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What are you talking about? :V
SpacemanSpiff
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SpacemanSpiff
This song is the exact reason why I have a problem with the following:

1) English VAs. Some aren't terrible, but Christina Vee is one of the most earbleed-inducing ones I've had to deal with. In all honestly, she belongs on youtube doing bad fandubs because that's what I feel like I'm listening to. Her voice just feels too underwhelming for what she voices. She sounds like the right age group, but it just feels a bit too forced. I'll give her credit for what she does, but all I can say is I wish someone else did it.

2) The English language / lack of accents in the language. It really shows in this song how dissonant and distorted the vocals of the English language are in the more natural accent (I suppose I sound like an ass to any other English-native country, but I will go on the assumption it isn't "too" different vocally between the US and any other English-natvie country.).

A good amount of European languages and virtually all Asian langauges have really good accent harmonics, even in English (I'll go ahead and say it's a hit or miss, on the far ends of the spectrum). It's hard to explain beyond that. Just compare some good English songs you listen to with other languages and take note of the words and accents, there tends to be a notable difference, at least to me.

Maybe my #2 was a bit biased, I generally take a lot of concern for my vocal harmonics. If case #1 didn't exist, I probably would have said nothing besides saying the generic "leave it in Japanese please".
Buni_old
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Buni_old
no one is forcing you to listen to the English fandub.
SpacemanSpiff
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SpacemanSpiff

Buni wrote:

no one is forcing you to listen to the English fandub.
No, but I do have to listen for a few seconds out of sheer curiousity. I also feel the need to justify disliking something. "It sounds bad" doesn't seem to validate anything, at least to me it doesn't.
Firo Prochainezo
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Firo Prochainezo

Buni wrote:

no one is forcing you to listen to the English fandub.
Instant rage.
Buni_old
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Buni_old

mrmike503 wrote:

Buni wrote:

no one is forcing you to listen to the English fandub.
No, but I do have to listen for a few seconds out of sheer curiousity. I also feel the need to justify disliking something. "It sounds bad" doesn't seem to validate anything, at least to me it doesn't.
I know right
Andriani
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Joined January 2010
Andriani
I like the original more, the english is one is just too weird :)
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
lyricizing anything to another language is going to lose some of its original meaning in the process as the inherent way music is written factors into account how a language actually sounds with the music. granted that bad apple's lyrics are pretty hard to translate because of the strange way that the darker topics are sung about in japanese music, the fact that CV managed to sing something that keeps some semblance of the ordinary song in tone and presence is an admirable effort

however, the fucking moron which created her 'karaoke' backing for the song needs to be shot and burned because the stupid motherfucker used center channel extraction which makes the entire thing sound like chipmunks are playing with pots and pans in the background

it certainly isnt better than the original, but it is about as close as you'll ever get to hearing an equivalent in the english language.
Faust
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Faust
I want to throw these things at someone now.
Firo Prochainezo
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Firo Prochainezo

Faust wrote:

I want to throw these things at someone now.
Nekoroll
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Nekoroll
For the first half minute I didn't think it was that bad. Then I kept listening for the next minute and started noticing how she almost makes herself yell when trying to hit the higher notes and all that voice straining made my ears say "FUCK THIS SHIT".

Or I could just say that it sounded fine up until she started singing. :V

Faust wrote:

I want to throw these bad apples at someone now.
Faust
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Faust

Nekoroll wrote:

For the first half minute I didn't think it was that bad. Then I kept listening for the next minute and started noticing how she almost makes herself yell when trying to hit the higher notes and all that voice straining made my ears say "FUCK THIS SHIT".

Or I could just say that it sounded fine up until she started singing. :V

Faust wrote:

I want to throw these bad apples at someone now.
You know it ;)
Jarby
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Jarby

Nekoroll wrote:

it sounded fine up until she started singing. :V
Not even!

Ephemeral wrote:

however, the fucking moron which created her 'karaoke' backing for the song needs to be shot and burned because the stupid motherfucker used center channel extraction which makes the entire thing sound like chipmunks are playing with pots and pans in the background
Disregarding that, the main thing that bothered me about the vocals was the fact that she didn't breathe at all in the song. Is that petty of me? I think the way breathing is handled really affects the feel of the song and dismissing it altogether was the downfall of this cover. Well, that and the fact that she's all herpderphow2dynamics.
Two_old
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Two_old
I like it
Rena-chan
Rena-chan
Having read through this thread before listening, my expectations were rather low...

Sadly, I overestimated it and mostly listened to it because Ephemeral found it good.
Closed the tab after the first line of lyrics here.
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