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Nyukai
[Doyak's Easy]

  1. 03:28:185 (1) - I'd suggest to finish the map until the end in all diffs, not only this one. Anyways, if you keep this, make spinner finish at 03:30:659 - it fits better with music imo.
[Normal]

  1. What about adding claps sound in some sliderticks like in Easy? I don't know if you get what I mean ><
  2. You chose rhythms well here, good job.
[Hard]

  1. 00:49:370 (1) - imo this NC is not necessary, this is not too hard to read, if you add it due to sudden decrease add it here 00:48:597 (4) - o3o
  2. 01:41:484 (4) - o3o? I can't hear a stream here xD
  3. 02:05:143 (5,1) - Swap NC for consistency please~ And same here 02:06:380 (4,1) - :c
[Fortune's Hyper]

  1. 00:29:576 (1,3) - Swap NC maybe?
[Ufw's Insane]

  1. 00:29:576 (5) - NC due to SV change?
  2. 01:14:576 - Make break start here like other diffs?
  3. 01:28:958 (5) - Same as first point
  4. 01:38:700 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - While I testplayed the diff I didn't expect this so I did fail, this is just a Normal Insane not Light or Insane+ so I might consider adding just sliders or change this pattern somehow ;_;
  5. 01:48:288 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same as before tbh, this diff is hard enough, with slider streams like this 02:18:597 (4,5) - is fine imo
  6. 03:06:535 (3,4) - Kinda overmapped at least for me, if you were following the vocal snap it correctly but I'd just add 1/2 sliders or just circles
[Fortune's Insane]

  1. 00:29:576 (1,3) - Swap NC maybe?
  2. 03:39:319 (1) - I noticed your flow and I think this would look better if you add Ctrl+G there o3o But it's just my opinion
[Chocolate Heaven]

  1. 00:42:875 (2,3,4,5,1) - Somehow this looks weird for me... Maybe move 00:43:339 (5) - a bit up in front of slider's end?
  2. 00:48:442 (5) - More or less like before, I'd prefer to move it more to the right ;w; You can keep the spacing anyway.
  3. 01:09:009 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary o3o You did many jumps without new combo so it should be fine.
  4. 01:24:937 (3,4) - Ctrl+G them?
  5. 01:42:566 (1) - NC feeling alone, you can remove it :c
  6. 02:41:020 (8,1) - Somehow I don't like this unstack, I think it bothers the pattern but idk lol
That's all for me, call me and I'll rebubble, otherwise Habi can rebubble and I'll qualify. Your choice.
Topic Starter
Len

Inyuschan wrote:

[Chocolate Heaven]

  1. 00:42:875 (2,3,4,5,1) - Somehow this looks weird for me... Maybe move 00:43:339 (5) - a bit up in front of slider's end? maybe i fixed (?
  2. 00:48:442 (5) - More or less like before, I'd prefer to move it more to the right ;w; You can keep the spacing anyway. move a bit
  3. 01:24:937 (3,4) - Ctrl+G them? i changed pattern
  4. 02:41:020 (8,1) - Somehow I don't like this unstack, I think it bothers the pattern but idk lol i think its fine to play....
That's all for me, call me and I'll rebubble, otherwise Habi can rebubble and I'll qualify. Your choice.

fixed other stuffs! thanks <3
Nyukai
I asked a QAT about metadata to be sure.

IamKwaN wrote:

Hi,

Just glanced through the original video, I believe the current artist is fine, it's a common practice to have the singer to be filled in the artist field if it's a cover.
However, the romanised title should be all small caps as shown here:

Agree? lol

Good luck!

Reference:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24976551
http://exittunes.com/cd/exit_tunes/qwce00288.html
So... if it's currently fine, call me again.
Doyak

Inyuschan wrote:

[Doyak's Easy]

  1. 03:28:185 (1) - I'd suggest to finish the map until the end in all diffs, not only this one. Anyways, if you keep this, make spinner finish at 03:30:659 - it fits better with music imo. I'll follow what Fast did on Normal, Hard, thanks!
패스트님 노말 하드에 하신 것처럼 제 이지에도 03:28:185 - 에 스피너 지우고 (248, 235)에 뉴콤으로 피니시 써서 노트 추가하는 걸로 끝나게 바꿔주세요.
Sylphi

Inyuschan wrote:

[Ufw's Insane]

  1. 00:29:576 (5) - NC due to SV change? Okay
  2. 01:14:576 - Make break start here like other diffs? Fixed
  3. 01:28:958 (5) - Same as first point Okay
  4. 01:38:700 (3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - While I testplayed the diff I didn't expect this so I did fail, this is just a Normal Insane not Light or Insane+ so I might consider adding just sliders or change this pattern somehow ;_; Changed stream to repeat slider.
  5. 01:48:288 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same as before tbh, this diff is hard enough, with slider streams like this 02:18:597 (4,5) - is fine imo Changed stream to slider.
  6. 03:06:535 (3,4) - Kinda overmapped at least for me, if you were following the vocal snap it correctly but I'd just add 1/2 sliders or just circles Tried to change.

That's all for me, call me and I'll rebubble, otherwise Habi can rebubble and I'll qualify. Your choice.
Thanks for modding :3

To be honest, i don't like my map.

Ufw's Insane
osu file format v14

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Topic Starter
Len

IamKwaN wrote:

Hi,

Just glanced through the original video, I believe the current artist is fine, it's a common practice to have the singer to be filled in the artist field if it's a cover.
However, the romanised title should be all small caps as shown here:

Agree? lol

Good luck!

Reference:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24976551
http://exittunes.com/cd/exit_tunes/qwce00288.html

i changed title to caramel heaven (all small caps)

and upd !
Nyukai
Okay, let's try again. I prefer to rebubble since many important stuff was checked and applied, anyways this is absolutely ready for me. Good luck with qualifying <3 Habi pls /me runs
HabiHolic

Inyuschan wrote:

Okay, let's try again. I prefer to rebubble since many important stuff was checked and applied, anyways this is absolutely ready for me. Good luck with qualifying <3 Habi pls /me runs
Ok.
Reol
올 축하
Satellite
too Fast w congrats !
Acylica
흐잌 벌써 퀄파라니 ㄷㄷ
Norman
축하드립니다
Sangzin
축하합니다!!
Topic Starter
Len
really thanks.........................................................
zyoi
Congratz baka Fast o3o
love you pls
/me slaps
Nyukai
Oh my, I'm so happy this got qualified <3 Hope everything is fine tho ^^' Gratz!
caren_sk
gratz!!!
BABA
omedetou.......
Topic Starter
Len
arigatou
Enon
ㅊㅊ
Nakano Itsuki
gratz~
yuiko <3
Beomsan
ㅊㅋ
접는다고 들었는데 나중에봅시다
xChippy
yisss moar yuikonnu
gratz ww
Dreamtwolf
i expected the sliders from the other caramel heaven to be here but it would take away from its originality
Good job!
Topic Starter
Len
tyty
Deltmin
Nice captial letters
super fun stuff :^)
riffy
I'm sorry, but I don't think the easiest diff is quite ready to go.

[Easy]
  1. 00:21:071 (2,4) - players can clearly see (4)'s approach circle while they're still hitting (2). This brings unnecessary confusion and should be avoided in the easiest difficulty. Consider unstacking.
    Note: there are more of them, 00:33:442 (2,4) -
  2. 00:29:267 (3,1) - 1/2 gaps on high BPM songs are too extreme. Please, avoid them. If you want some examples, you can try this.
    Note: and these sliders appear pretty often, so be sure to consider replacing all of them! 00:58:339 (3,4) - 01:28:648 (3,1) - 01:57:721 (3,4) - and so on.
  3. 03:26:329 (2,4) - as a side note, the overlap here might feel unpleasant to beginners and is also a bit tricky for them. Consider avoiding it. Example
Please, be sure to adress the issues listed here. So, we can re-qualify it as soon as possible.
Sonnyc
이지 맵 좋네요.
01:48:597 - 음악에 드럼위주로 진행되는데, 여기서는 명확한 포인트가 없어서 클릭 처리가 좀 어색하게 느껴졌어요. 차라리 드럼 구간이 확실히 시작되는 01:48:288 부터 슬라이더를 처리하시는게 애매한 중간부터 슬라 시작하는것보다 더 자연스럽다고 생각합니다.

(2,4) 노트 스택은 그냥 바카리 개인 취향인거 같은데.. 흠
Deltmin
put a captial C on caramel and H on heaven as well pls it's kinda a title and needs these things yuikonnu i think as well
Topic Starter
Len

Deltmin wrote:

put a captial C on caramel and H on heaven as well pls it's kinda a title and needs these things yuikonnu i think as well
u can see


IamKwaN wrote:

Hi,

Just glanced through the original video, I believe the current artist is fine, it's a common practice to have the singer to be filled in the artist field if it's a cover.
However, the romanised title should be all small caps as shown here:

Agree? lol

Good luck!

Reference:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24976551
http://exittunes.com/cd/exit_tunes/qwce00288.html





gg
Deltmin

Fast wrote:

Deltmin wrote:

put a captial C on caramel and H on heaven as well pls it's kinda a title and needs these things yuikonnu i think as well
u can see


IamKwaN wrote:

Hi,

Just glanced through the original video, I believe the current artist is fine, it's a common practice to have the singer to be filled in the artist field if it's a cover.
However, the romanised title should be all small caps as shown here:

Agree? lol

Good luck!

Reference:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24976551
http://exittunes.com/cd/exit_tunes/qwce00288.html





gg
cool my bad gl with re qualify ;_;
Doyak
To be honest, I don't like how the current community determines which is good or bad. Let's see the issues you said.

Bakari wrote:

  1. 00:21:071 (2,4) - players can clearly see (4)'s approach circle while they're still hitting (2). This brings unnecessary confusion and should be avoided in the easiest difficulty. Consider unstacking.
    Note: there are more of them, 00:33:442 (2,4) -
You're right, it might be confusing, but only little. Stacking is one of osu!'s elements, and should be considered to be making some kind of difficulty. Why should I remove every difficulty-making elements only because it's the easiest diff? The easiest diff is to be played by people who are learning this game. If those notes are too close then it should be pretty 'hard', but you know,

On this point players should already have decided to click 'now'. You can barely see (4) at this point. When they become able to see it "clearly", it should be "after" that note. Human brains cannot perceive things on real time, they need a little more. Even though they're newbies, they know this is not AR11 speed. So how is this be 'that' much confusing to be disqualified?

Next one,

Bakari wrote:

  1. 00:29:267 (3,1) - 1/2 gaps on high BPM songs are too extreme. Please, avoid them. If you want some examples, you can try this.
    Note: and these sliders appear pretty often, so be sure to consider replacing all of them! 00:58:339 (3,4) - 01:28:648 (3,1) - 01:57:721 (3,4) - and so on.
1/2 gaps are hard on this bpm, yes, it's true. But Easy is obviously a difficulty. They can have their peak point, which is the hardest on the whole map. Are those REALLY that hard so it shouldn't exist AT ALL on this diff? I don't think so. It's even a slider-to-slider 1/2 gap which doesn't require much accurate timing to hit.
And think of the relation to Normal. Normal has "a bunch" of 1/2 gaps, even 2 clicks-in-a-row. Those 1/2 gaps I used on Easy appears only a few times, with even more easier ones. So, is it that wrong to put some of them? I hope you and the community would please think it over.

Bakari wrote:

  1. 03:26:329 (2,4) - as a side note, the overlap here might feel unpleasant to beginners and is also a bit tricky for them. Consider avoiding it. Example
Same here, it could be a little unpleasant, but by doing that, 03:26:329 (2,3,4,1) - these made a great pattern (at least for me, you might not think it's a good shape). Again, I don't think it's that much confusing to be the easiest difficulty and it's easy enough compared to Normal.

Consequently, I don't really agree with your opinions. This community requires (if not only you) too stereotyped criteria and are not seeing how it actually works.

Anyway I will fix them since you require that... so wait a second, thanks. (will fix today, but too busy right now)
Sonnyc
Doyak, you are misunderstanding something here.

The disqualification of Bakari is not a "community determines which is good or bad" nor "this community requires too stereotyped criteria". Rather think as an opportunity to improve your beatmap's quality. None of the points Bakari stated are directly UNRANKABLE, but they are at least worth considering regarding your difficulty's quality. Sure quality is a subjective notion, and that is why a community exists to discuss and make a consensus about such issues.

Instead of just sticking to your thoughts while defending your decision, please try to understand once an experienced modder pointed out those stuff as an issue. I know you are a mapper who makes things with plenty of intentions, but there must be a reason when an expert than you mentions about your work.

Such attitude towards the modding community won't be something healthy for you in the long run.
Doyak
I know... I'm in a bad mood today... sorry for being rude.

But those are my opinions. I think these elements that Bakari pointed out can, and should exist on some Easies, because all Easies shouldn't have the same difficulty, and this is quite enough to be played by the beginners, I think.

So yeah... I'm sorry again. I'll relax myself and fix those.
Nyukai
Fix that and call me.
riffy
Please mind the BPM. Some of the patterns might work well for low BPM tracks, but turn into a living nightmare for newbies as they get faster and require quick actions or rather quick comprehension/reading skill. Therefore, while mapping 165+ BPM tracks you have to weight every decision and patterrn. Some things are simply no-go.

I'm open for all kinds of questions if you still have any.
Topic Starter
Len
doyak: pls throw codes on here when u done
Doyak

Bakari wrote:

I'm sorry, but I don't think the easiest diff is quite ready to go.

[Easy]
  1. 00:21:071 (2,4) - players can clearly see (4)'s approach circle while they're still hitting (2). This brings unnecessary confusion and should be avoided in the easiest difficulty. Consider unstacking.
    Note: there are more of them, 00:33:442 (2,4) -
  2. 00:29:267 (3,1) - 1/2 gaps on high BPM songs are too extreme. Please, avoid them. If you want some examples, you can try this.
    Note: and these sliders appear pretty often, so be sure to consider replacing all of them! 00:58:339 (3,4) - 01:28:648 (3,1) - 01:57:721 (3,4) - and so on.
  3. 03:26:329 (2,4) - as a side note, the overlap here might feel unpleasant to beginners and is also a bit tricky for them. Consider avoiding it. Example
Please, be sure to adress the issues listed here. So, we can re-qualify it as soon as possible.
So yeah... I fixed all. I adjusted them in an other way than the link you showed (the latter one is broken or something). I'd like to discuss more with Bakari, but I also don't want to make Fast wait for more. So I just fixed them all to be safe.

Thanks for the disqualification and I apologize again for being out of my mind.

Doyak's Easy
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ArtistUnicode:ゆいこんぬ
Creator:Fast
Version:Doyak's Easy
Source:
Tags:megpoid gumi vocaloid utaite Fortune Doyak Underflow Last Note
BeatmapID:816748
BeatmapSetID:366884

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:2
CircleSize:2.5
OverallDifficulty:2
ApproachRate:3
SliderMultiplier:0.9
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
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//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Topic Starter
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Nyukai
Should be fine, good luck this time.
Doyak
앗 죄송합니다 손닉님 모딩을 안 고쳤었네요.

Sonnyc wrote:

이지 맵 좋네요.
01:48:597 - 음악에 드럼위주로 진행되는데, 여기서는 명확한 포인트가 없어서 클릭 처리가 좀 어색하게 느껴졌어요. 차라리 드럼 구간이 확실히 시작되는 01:48:288 부터 슬라이더를 처리하시는게 애매한 중간부터 슬라 시작하는것보다 더 자연스럽다고 생각합니다. 고쳐보았습니다.

(2,4) 노트 스택은 그냥 바카리 개인 취향인거 같은데.. 흠 그래도 일단 고쳐봤어요 ㅠㅠ
모딩 감사합니다~

그리고 제 난이도 업데이트하면서 터져도 리버블은 받을 필요 없대요. 바로 퀄파 가시면 됩니다.


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389,93,202308,2,0,P|429:53|467:38,2,90,8|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
350,174,203236,6,0,P|264:226|195:200,1,180,4|2,1:2|0:3,0:0:0:0:
68,154,204319,2,0,L|52:288,1,135,4|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
110,357,205092,1,2,0:3:0:0:
244,348,205556,6,0,P|280:299|287:225,1,135,4|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
247,146,206329,1,2,0:3:0:0:
160,249,206793,2,0,P|124:200|117:126,1,135,4|8,1:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
189,73,207566,2,0,P|229:54|273:57,1,90,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
356,94,208185,5,4,0:0:0:0:
Topic Starter
Len
upd........................................
riffy
I'm more or less fine with the set now. Issues were fixed, so I do think it's good to go. I'll just restore the bubble and let Inyus qualify it.

Rebubbled!
Doyak
Bakari, the chat screenshot I posted is that Sonnyc said after self-pop you don't need rebubble before qualification, so you can't just qualify it now?
IamKwaN
The bubble is being self-popped so you need someone to rebubble before moving it forward.
Doyak
LOL Sonnyc gave me a wrong information again... sorry Fast :(
Nyukai
Enjoy.
Topic Starter
Len
really thank you ....
Nakano Itsuki
Regratz
BeoMu
Congrats ~

- @.< -
GreyWarrior
Worst map i've played since 2012.. really looks like 2015 map, bad mapping tbh, srry
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