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B1rd
Chat! Chat! Chat! confirmed much harder to aim than Remote Control.
Momi
give reading or I sad
Yuudachi-kun
Im rank #7 global stamina but today I failed defenders because the streams were too stamina for me

4k is better
CCsP
Pretty good and for real my stamina >.<
Shiro
Can you add a way to search scores by value ? I'm looking to improve my aim and it would be great if I could find all maps that give say between 550 and 650 aim score
snyviper

Shiro wrote:

Can you add a way to search scores by value ? I'm looking to improve my aim and it would be great if I could find all maps that give say between 550 and 650 aim score
If I'm right, this was written somewhere as the goal of osu!Skills, to be able to show people how much a map would award for each skill... but some months ago I was confused (I still am) because I just couldn't find it written anywhere again... Is my mind just tricking me, or any of you developers really wrote it somewhere?
snyviper
Also, the IAHN map is broken on osu!skills, and you all probably know that. It wouldn't normally become ranked due to the way it was mapped, but it did reach ranked due to that mapping contest. What about disabling it on osu!Skills, at least for reaction and agility, so ranking would be more... fair?
TheLordKiwi
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/108296

This map is not supported, it don't exist when I want to add it and the ID is consider invalid

Please fix this.Thanks
fieryrage

snyviper wrote:

Also, the IAHN map is broken on osu!skills, and you all probably know that. It wouldn't normally become ranked due to the way it was mapped, but it did reach ranked due to that mapping contest. What about disabling it on osu!Skills, at least for reaction and agility, so ranking would be more... fair?
they're not going to remove it, they're adding loved maps in the future which would break agility / reaction even moreso due to the amount of 2B maps already in the category

not to mention the literally-only-aim-maps that are in it as well LUL
abraker

fieryrage wrote:

they're not going to remove it, they're adding loved maps in the future which would break agility / reaction even moreso due to the amount of 2B maps already in the category
Theoretically you can't break something that is already found broken :P

I have submitted a fix for the reaction skill, which should put it more closer to the other skills.

TheLordKiwi wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/108296

This map is not supported, it don't exist when I want to add it and the ID is consider invalid

Please fix this.Thanks
Use the /b ID not the /s one. I manually submitted it for you:

Icyteru
Is there a reason why aim values are not affected by CS?
TheLordKiwi

abraker wrote:

Use the /b ID not the /s one. I manually submitted it for you:

Ok, thanks :)
fieryrage

Icyteru wrote:

Is there a reason why aim values are not affected by CS?
cs factors into precision, not agility
snyviper

fieryrage wrote:

snyviper wrote:

Also, the IAHN map is broken on osu!skills, and you all probably know that. It wouldn't normally become ranked due to the way it was mapped, but it did reach ranked due to that mapping contest. What about disabling it on osu!Skills, at least for reaction and agility, so ranking would be more... fair?
they're not going to remove it, they're adding loved maps in the future which would break agility / reaction even moreso due to the amount of 2B maps already in the category
I mean, as a temporary fix... When they add the loved beatmaps (if they do add them), they would have probably reworked agility and reaction, so they can activate the IAHN map again with no issues.
fieryrage

snyviper wrote:

I mean, as a temporary fix... When they add the loved beatmaps (if they do add them), they would have probably reworked agility and reaction, so they can activate the IAHN map again with no issues.
i hope so but i mentioned this issue as soon as aspire was ranked with it giving too much agility/reaction

and besides, that's not the reason i'm saying loved maps will break agility, cuz 90% of them are aim maps
Icyteru
Precision is broken though - it pretty much only takes into account CS. It makes no sense for airman HR to give the same aim as airman nomod, and airman HR to give the same precision as some random TV size with HR.
Scarlet Evans
Why is HD highly underweighted, when it goes to Reaction?

Comparing mine and other people FCs' I noticed that the same AR10.87 scores what are worth about 884 reaction points with HR,DT, are worth only 816 reaction points with HD,HR,DT.

The same with playing AR11: the very top people in Reaction ranking have +HR,DT plays and avoid HD on purpose, to farm more points.

Could someone explain why playing without Hidden requires much more reaction than while playing with HD?
abraker

Scarlet Evans wrote:

Could someone explain why playing without Hidden requires much more reaction than while playing with HD?
In HD the note fades in much faster than no mod, so you see it sooner. Same with mods. This makes HRDT harder to react to than HDHRDT

With HD enabled, objects are fully faded in after 40% of the AR window (so on ar10 with 450ms, it's faded in after 180ms). Without HD enabled, fade-in time is a static 400ms.
Scarlet Evans
But in both cases approach time, the real time you have to react, is 450 ms, right? Isn't taking fading into account by player more like memorisation and predicting when you should click the circle, while the time you have to react is the same? Or I don't understand the subject properly? I mean, even if it fades faster, it appears in the same time, so you have the same time to react, right?
abraker

Scarlet Evans wrote:

But in both cases approach time, the real time you have to react, is 450 ms, right? Isn't taking fading into account by player more like memorisation and predicting when you should click the circle, while the time you have to react is the same? Or I don't understand the subject properly? I mean, even if it fades faster, it appears in the same time, so you have the same time to react, right?
Nope.

In the example provided:
so on ar10 with 450ms, it's faded in after 180ms
It's fully faded in at 180ms, leaving you with 270 ms reaction time requirement on HD assuming you suddenly see the object at 100%. Code uses somewhere between 40-60% iirc (am on mobile so will need to check, so will use 40% for this example). That means that the object is 40% faded in at 72ms giving us with a 378ms reaction time requirement. On no mod, the object is fully faded in at 450ms, meaning it's 40% faded in at 180ms, giving us a 270ms reaction time requirement.

40% fade-in @ NM: 270ms reaction time
40% fade-in @ HD: 378 ms reaction time

The sooner you see the circle the sooner you have to realize where it is located, the more time you have to react and move the cursor there. While both start fading in at the same time, HD fades in faster, allowing you to percieve the note sooner.
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