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Camellia - Dreamless Wanderer [Taiko]

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bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2016年1月2日 at 4:08:13

Artist: Camellia
Title: Dreamless Wanderer
Tags: drumstep d&b dubstep kamelcamellia cametek c87 かめるかめりあ
BPM: 174
Filesize: 5483kb
Play Time: 05:10
Difficulties Available:
  1. Taiko Oni (5.66 stars, 1709 notes)
Download: Camellia - Dreamless Wanderer
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Original super gimmicky version. Contains kiai fountains and increased SV changes.

Taiko Oni is a heavily modified version of that, made for ranking. The map's still very reading intensive though. If you want to play with HD... you're going to have a rough time.

Enjoy! :3

Last edited by bananannian , edited 26 times in total.
tasuke912
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2018
1,347 posts
Joined June 2013
tasuke912
Hi. from M4M.
[ General]
  1. drain time is less than 5min.
  2. Kiai time is too many. remove some green line.
[ Sonder]
  1. 00:40:405 Delete Green line. kiai is not needed here.
  2. 00:44:543 (42,43,44,45,46,47,48) - Remove green lines. it's not needed. and sv should be x1.00.
  3. 01:05:491 add k?
  4. 01:06:439 (186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194,195) - Remove green lines.
  5. 01:28:681 Remove green line. ^
  6. 01:49:026 to 01:51:353 -, SE Vol is too small.
  7. 01:56:727 (450) - I think k is better. ddkkkkd pattern is not common.
    02:07:761 (549) - ^
  8. 02:24:888 why don't you put note here to follow the drum?
  9. 02:31:439 (753,754,755,756,757,758,759,760,761,762,763,764) - it's too fast. remove scroll changes.
  10. 02:32:819 (765) - this is unrankble. you should delete redline. bpn is not changed here.
  11. 02:57:818 SE Vol is too small. and it's not kiai.
  12. 04:00:864 (1399) -, see above.
Good luck. :)
bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian
lol I'm sorry tasuke that you had to go through that mess of kiai fountains, the map's not really made for rank as of right now.


Edit: But now it is.
bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian
RIP Gimmick version
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Camellia - Dreamless Wanderer.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 108422
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Normal
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 1
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 0.9
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.5

[Metadata]
Title:Dreamless Wanderer
TitleUnicode:Dreamless Wanderer
Artist:Camellia
ArtistUnicode:かめりあ
Creator:bananannian
Version:Inner Oni [Gimmick ver.]
Source:
Tags:drumstep d&b kamelcamellia
BeatmapID:727883
BeatmapSetID:328108

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:4
CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:5
ApproachRate:5
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

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DarkDunskin
1,875 posts
Joined April 2009
DarkDunskin
Hi M4M!

"d" = Note
"k" = Note + Clap
"D" = Note + Finish
"K" = Note + Clap + Finisch
"->" = change to
"^" = see before

[Inner Oni]
    1. 00:16:957 (11) - Move note to 00:16:957 (11) - You might have wanted to get that tone didn't you?
    2. 01:05:836 (194) - Maybe delete that note to get more emphasis on (195,196)?
    3. 01:07:129 (206,207,208) - dkd -> k_D?
    4. 01:25:836 (255) - d -> k because of higher pitch?
    5. 02:28:250 (733) - k -> d to emphasize the higher pitched 1/6?
    6. 04:02:904 (1432) - k -> D?
    7. 04:10:232 - How about d k d on the red and white marks to get the dubstep effect?
    8. 04:30:922 - I'd add a d here and map along that stream sound, also change d -> k at 04:31:267 (171) -
    9. 04:33:681 - ^
    10. 04:36:439 - ^ and so on.

    Very experimental and fun Taiko.
    Patterns and rythms are quite dynamically but overall very fitting to the music.

    That's indeed all I have to say,
    good luck and have fun mapping~
-Kazu-
687 posts
Joined June 2011
-Kazu-
Queue request :D

Inner Oni
- Is CLSW intended to be on tags? Delete it if not
- I personally think HP should be at least 6, this map isnt hard at all and it is anyways intended to be played by people who already arent going to get more than 10 or 5 misses (or fc first try lol)
- Avoid use of any slider velocity over 1.5x , even if the song is slow because it fatigues the sightread unnecesarily (Also, makes it so that its hard to read the slowdowns with Hidden and the speedups with Hard Rock.)
- 00:34:198 - ~ 00:42:474 - this section is REALLY messy, i got like everything x100 as i didnt know exactly what i was following. Please sort better these notes in order to follow max 2 things (as you where first following the hihats, then one of the synths then both+hihats ). Strongly recommend to avoid these blueline-snapped notes because they are what makes this part really awful
- *Suggestion* Smoothen this part by making every green line grow up by x0.02 or x0.03 instead of x0.05 , as it is too sudden (while the song had a transition from part to part)
- 00:48:939 - *Suggestion* add dd d starting from this line, to make consistency with 00:47:560 (71,72,73) -
- 00:58:163 (139,140,141,142) - change to kkkk , it doesnt ask for a dkdk at all
- 02:35:232 - add kkdkD (if you are in doubt with this one, remember that finishers after 1/4 are permitted if the previous note is opposite [kD / dK ]. Do so you have consistency with the following parts where you actually mapped it (02:38:163 - , 02:40:750 - , 02:43:336 - , 02:46:267 - ). If not totally sure, just add kkd if you want
- 02:49:198 - *Suggestion* The more i hear this part the more i think thats not a pitch up or down but just three of the same note XD so change it to kkk
- 03:10:060 - those ddk ddk ddk 1/6 arent following well what i *think* you want to do. Instead, make it so you have this pattern xxxx xxxx xxxx starting from 03:10:175 - and finish here 03:10:922 - ( use whatever pattern you think is better, i think kkkd kkdd kddd could work, but the point is that to follow those wub wub wub these are the periods of time they are sounding on)
- 04:19:543 (92,93,94,95) - same as before, those doesnt ask for dkdk so change it to kkkk
- 04:21:267 - this sound is so explicit that is hard to realize that there are any notes here (If i was playing this for the first time and considering how much sv you already used, I'd think there is a ninja note at 10000bpm coming so id hit my dons there LOL)
- 04:50:750 - I'd leave this as the last note , or even make it a spinner until the end but any notes from here feels unnecessary ...

Quick comment: Its mapped in a cool way, you followed the dubstep sounds nicely and its fun to play, but the sv usage is a bit too overwhelming that you should probably delete all multiple greenline sections and reduce the slider velocities that get past 1.5x . Its fun to see the notes coming up fast, especially if they are 1/6 wub-following notes because you can read it better, but generally you abused too much of this so it becomes hard to read it without alien HR skills

Good luck :)
bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian

DarkDunskin wrote:

Hi M4M!

"d" = Note
"k" = Note + Clap
"D" = Note + Finish
"K" = Note + Clap + Finisch
"->" = change to
"^" = see before

[Inner Oni]
    1. 00:16:957 (11) - Move note to 00:16:957 (11) - You might have wanted to get that tone didn't you? Actually I didn't, but I do now.
    2. 01:05:836 (194) - Maybe delete that note to get more emphasis on (195,196)? The sfx actually stops at that point, so I want to have a stream of k before that. Emphasis is not needed here imo.
    3. 01:07:129 (206,207,208) - dkd -> k_D? Sure! I also changed the note before that to k.
    4. 01:25:836 (255) - d -> k because of higher pitch? Nice catch, done.
    5. 02:28:250 (733) - k -> d to emphasize the higher pitched 1/6? Made it d d k dkkd instead.
    6. 04:02:904 (1432) - k -> D? This note is already d.
    7. 04:10:232 - How about d k d on the red and white marks to get the dubstep effect? This particular sfx is purposefully unmapped. I want this particular section to be heavy on the pauses, and by not mapping this part I can even out the spacing of those pauses a bit.
    8. 04:30:922 - I'd add a d here and map along that stream sound, also change d -> k at 04:31:267 (171)
    9. 04:33:681 - ^
    10. 04:36:439 - ^ and so on.
      There's no stream sound?

    Very experimental and fun Taiko. Thanks! :3
    Patterns and rythms are quite dynamically but overall very fitting to the music.

    That's indeed all I have to say,
    good luck and have fun mapping~
    You too, and thanks so much for the mod!

-Anhedonia- wrote:

Queue request :D

Inner Oni
- Is CLSW intended to be on tags? Delete it if not
LOL I basically copy-and-pasted the tags from Skystar's standard map, sorry for that XD

- I personally think HP should be at least 6, this map isnt hard at all and it is anyways intended to be played by people who already arent going to get more than 10 or 5 misses (or fc first try lol) Seriously doubt FC first try, the map's quite heavy on the reading. But anyways, HP6 is a go! :D

- Avoid use of any slider velocity over 1.5x , even if the song is slow because it fatigues the sightread unnecesarily (Also, makes it so that its hard to read the slowdowns with Hidden and the speedups with Hard Rock.) Did something to reduce the SV a bit.

- 00:34:198 - ~ 00:42:474 - this section is REALLY messy, i got like everything x100 as i didnt know exactly what i was following. Please sort better these notes in order to follow max 2 things (as you where first following the hihats, then one of the synths then both+hihats ). Strongly recommend to avoid these blueline-snapped notes because they are what makes this part really awful
Nope. When the player first goes into the map, I want them to already start being prepared for a reading-intensive map; hence, a tricky rhythm right from the get go should build some tension. This part is mapped as such even in the standard map by Skystar, I think taiko players can definitely sightread it fine.

- *Suggestion* Smoothen this part by making every green line grow up by x0.02 or x0.03 instead of x0.05 , as it is too sudden (while the song had a transition from part to part) Hmm I can see how this part is a bit abrupt, but I want the SV to go up to 1.2, so unfortunately I think I need to keep it for now. I'll poke at it a bit to see if there's anything I can do.

- 00:48:939 - *Suggestion* add dd d starting from this line, to make consistency with 00:47:560 (71,72,73) The pause is very much intentional and I want to keep it; those two things are completely different sfx's?

- 00:58:163 (139,140,141,142) - change to kkkk , it doesnt ask for a dkdk at all But I like dkdk ;_; kkkk really doesn't capture how that sound feels at all. Again, I'll poke it to see if I want to change it.

- 02:35:232 - add kkdkD (if you are in doubt with this one, remember that finishers after 1/4 are permitted if the previous note is opposite [kD / dK ]. Do so you have consistency with the following parts where you actually mapped it (02:38:163 - , 02:40:750 - , 02:43:336 - , 02:46:267 - ). If not totally sure, just add kkd if you want Opted for kkd, just to be on the safe side.

- 02:49:198 - *Suggestion* The more i hear this part the more i think thats not a pitch up or down but just three of the same note XD so change it to kkk It definitely is a pitch up, I checked. And also I want the d to match the snares completely, so no change.

- 03:10:060 - those ddk ddk ddk 1/6 arent following well what i *think* you want to do. Instead, make it so you have this pattern xxxx xxxx xxxx starting from 03:10:175 - and finish here 03:10:922 - ( use whatever pattern you think is better, i think kkkd kkdd kddd could work, but the point is that to follow those wub wub wub these are the periods of time they are sounding on)
Ehhhhhhhh tried your suggestion and hated how it sounds, does it play better? Currently I have it matching the melody with the three k and just filled in some d inbetween for rhythm and wubs, and I think it plays fine. I'll make sure to ask others' opinions on it.

- 04:19:543 (92,93,94,95) - same as before, those doesnt ask for dkdk so change it to kkkk Same as above.

- 04:21:267 - this sound is so explicit that is hard to realize that there are any notes here (If i was playing this for the first time and considering how much sv you already used, I'd think there is a ninja note at 10000bpm coming so id hit my dons there LOL)
Precisely why there's nothing here :P

- 04:50:750 - I'd leave this as the last note , or even make it a spinner until the end but any notes from here feels unnecessary ...
Five minutes drain time though, unfortunately I have to map it or the map won't get approved.

Quick comment: Its mapped in a cool way, you followed the dubstep sounds nicely and its fun to play, but the sv usage is a bit too overwhelming that you should probably delete all multiple greenline sections and reduce the slider velocities that get past 1.5x . Its fun to see the notes coming up fast, especially if they are 1/6 wub-following notes because you can read it better, but generally you abused too much of this so it becomes hard to read it without alien HR skills
Thanks for the mod! I'll make sure to tone down the SV just a bit more. Did you check out the gimmick version I had originally? It had like 2x SV lol

Good luck :)

YAY MODS
EdamaMe411
512 posts
Joined April 2014
EdamaMe411
From my queues :)
GoGo~ :D
Color comment is strong suggestion!!
Inner Oni
00:36:784 (33,34) - these follow sound don't fit in your map's flow,,,so,00:36:612 - 00:37:301 -00:38:163 - add notes!!

00:38:939 (43,44,45,46,47,48) - Mysterious rhythm(your select rhythm is match in the music,but flow of the map sooooo bad :? ),,,,more simple pattern please,,, :( for example 00:39:112 (45,46) - 1/4 right

00:40:577 (50) - delete,,,,,you should follow only piano sound in this point


00:41:870 (55,56) - 1/4 right,,,,same above sound :)

00:46:784 - add note,,,considering for flow of this map..
00:48:250 (81) - d and 00:48:595 (85,86) - ctrl+G,,,,sound pitch,,,

00:48:853 - 00:49:198 - 00:49:370 - ADD NOTES!!!! Your rhythm sooo　Hard to beat　　these notes match in the music but please Don't forget you make taiko map((Please thinking of player :o )

00:54:198 - add d

00:59:888 - 00:59:888 - add notes

01:06:526 (210) - I hear not mainly sound,,,so delete?

01:16:095 (236,237) - 1/2 left!! consistency with 01:14:543 (232,233) -
01:18:681 - add note
01:19:715 - ^
01:22:474 - ^ a little lonely :(
01:25:232 - ^

01:27:215 (275) - move to 01:27:129 - and add 01:27:474 - ,,,to fix your map's flow ;)

01:28:508 - 01:28:681 - you can add notes

01:51:267 (436) - k!! to protect your flow (ex.01:50:577 (429) - 01:50:060 (424) - 01:49:543 (419) - )
02:01:698 (528) - add note?

02:05:060 - add d?
02:11:353 (612) - 1/4 left..


02:35:577 (796) - To stand up this point 02:35:405 (795) - is k!!!


02:38:163 (799,800,801) - ddk or kkk

02:39:026 (802) - d?

02:40:835 (808) - k.....this point sound high pitch

02:41:698 - add d,,,,sound Synth!
]
02:44:370 (824,825) - change to 1/3

provisional finish~

I'll come back to see mod later :)

GL!!
bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian
Just a quick comment: keep in mind that the map's deliberately hard to read and anti-flow, with lots of pauses, syncopations, doubles and quads, 1/6s, etc. It is an experimental and technical map, so remember to mod it as such. Flow is of less importance to me compared with fitting to the music.
KamizonoShinobu
722 posts
Joined October 2011
KamizonoShinobu
hi from modding queue
General
HP6 is too high for this song i guess? player will lost a lot of HP when miss :o
-> better to change it to HP4 (~5)
Inner Oni
I guess it is not good to say it is inner oni as you dont have a oni diff here, rename diff name as Oni?
00:44:543 (57,58,59,60,61,62,63) - SV change too significant, hard to read. Reduce SV change scale?
^ same problem in 01:50:750
01:07:388,01:07:991 these 2 line can be combined into 1 line in 01:07:345
01:29:284 i guess this line is not doing anything?If so, delete plz
01:59:543 d
02:04:888 kkdkd -> kdkkd
02:06:526 add a note here to fit sound effect in music?
02:11:353 (593) - move to 02:11:267 and become k
this will fit sound effect more i guess?
02:51:783 (843,844,845,846,847) - kkddd
03:00:319 line move to 03:00:405
03:27:904 (1150) - k (high pitch)
03:29:026 (1160,1161) - swap (pitch goes up here) -> 03:30:404 (1172,1173) as well
03:39:888 (1252,1253,1254,1255,1256,1257,1258,1259,1260) - will be better if connected with more 1/4 note (SE is continuously 1/2 here)
SV in 03:41:957~03:45:922 is quite unnecessery... if u exist putting those green lines , it should not be in asending order, it should be desending order because pitch is going down here
04:51:439 (228) onward should place notes like at the beginning, following remaining SE
05:10:060 (240) - I think a spinner is more suitable here (to 05:15:577)
lol, long map to mod, hope these mod can help u. Good luck
bananannian
393 posts
Joined June 2014
Topic Starter
bananannian

Chocola_2287 wrote:

hi from modding queue
General
HP6 is too high for this song i guess? player will lost a lot of HP when miss :o
-> better to change it to HP4 (~5) Map's aimed at skilled players anyway, so HP4 is too low; changed to HP5.
Inner Oni
I guess it is not good to say it is inner oni as you dont have a oni diff here, rename diff name as Oni? Lol that makes sense, done.
00:44:543 (57,58,59,60,61,62,63) - SV change too significant, hard to read. Reduce SV change scale?
^ same problem in 01:50:750 Sure.
01:07:388,01:07:991 these 2 line can be combined into 1 line in 01:07:345 Done.
01:29:284 i guess this line is not doing anything?If so, delete plz Actually it was doing something, I just messed it up somehow. Fixed.
01:59:543 d Sure.
02:04:888 kkdkd -> kdkkd Sure.
02:06:526 add a note here to fit sound effect in music? Nope, sound effect already matched with previous K.
02:11:353 (593) - move to 02:11:267 and become k Did something else.
this will fit sound effect more i guess? Well you're like the third modder to tell me to change the first one to ddk, so I'll try it out to see if people like it better.
02:51:783 (843,844,845,846,847) - kkddd Ehh I want every onbeat to be d here, the drums are more important than synth pitch.
03:00:319 line move to 03:00:405 Kiai time is slightly extended to ensure no shenanigans occur where people hit the note early and the bonus points from the kiai is not applied to that note.
03:27:904 (1150) - k (high pitch) Sure.
03:29:026 (1160,1161) - swap (pitch goes up here) -> 03:30:404 (1172,1173) as well Nope, I want each k to match melody.
03:39:888 (1252,1253,1254,1255,1256,1257,1258,1259,1260) - will be better if connected with more 1/4 note (SE is continuously 1/2 here) Tried it already, didn't really like it... I think I want the constant triplet rhythm more, but I'll see what other modders say.
SV in 03:41:957~03:45:922 is quite unnecessery... if u exist putting those green lines , it should not be in asending order, it should be desending order because pitch is going down here No, because the song is building up in intensity here, and the SV accelerates up to the climax of the kiai. It's a gimmick that I like, and I'll keep it for now.
04:51:439 (228) onward should place notes like at the beginning, following remaining SE I want the note density to be as low as possible here, so no.
05:10:060 (240) - I think a spinner is more suitable here (to 05:15:577) I think not lol
lol, long map to mod, hope these mod can help u. Good luck Good luck to your maps too!
Thanks for the mod!
mintong89
3,698 posts
Joined July 2011
mintong89
Hello you request a mod from my queue, so here we go!:

[General]

Offset +10? you can hear in 25% playback speed that stanza is so early compare to beat of song.
Kiai time is too much, almost of 1/3 song are kiai time. Consider reducing it.
How about rename as "Taiko" since it just one diff?
I'd prefer if you change to HP4 because generally the map is quite challenging for general player (even the skilled).

[Oni]

00:17:646 (12,13,14) - These note are too off to the song, try to find a better timing-er to check the timing?
00:39:370 - I think you miss a sound at here, add a note?
00:48:163 - => 00:48:681 - I've played three times and I still feel the pattern is too anti-flow. I know you are doing experimental but this can be fix easily by changing pattern to kkddkkd.
00:48:853 - & 00:49:198 - add note? The song explain itself, the sound is so loud at here.
00:49:370 - add note too cuz if you closely you can hear the piano sound.
00:50:232 - => 00:50:750 - These can be change to kdkdkkd for a better flow and it wouldn't hurt your pattern I guess.
01:05:836 (202) - Change this to d for better flow.
01:45:922 - => 01:48:681 - Just said I really like this <3 great job
02:43:336 - => 02:43:853 - I'd say ddkdkkk is fit more to the song.

Other than these, I guess it's fine especially in kiai time.

Good luck :)
iloveyou4ever
825 posts
Joined September 2014
iloveyou4ever
Hi
Random mod here owo
Just few points

[General]
I think this map is mapped according to the background music
and the it's harder
so I think it's good to name as Inner Oni or Tatshjin
[Taiko Oni]
01:05:760 - listen carefully,it's low pitch,I suggest change to d

01:12:829 - a bit low pitch compare to the previous note

01:13:432 - sound here?

01:47:829 - change to d?

02:01:018 - no pitch change here,remain ddd?

02:12:139 - lonely and empty here ;w;

02:14:725 - change to k

02:17:225 - change to d

02:25:760 - change to k

02:32:570 - this and next note change to k(high pitch)

02:44:323 - high pitch,change to k

03:10:415 - change to kkd fits the music and more challenging 8-)

03:32:484 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4347010 according to the music,should change like this

03:40:415 - high pitch,to k

04:36:277 - change to d,next to k

04:44:811 - no sound here,remove this

Nice dubstep map
Good Luck :)
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