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Neil Watts

Karia wrote:

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  • General
  1. Hmm, isn't it unrankable using the no-sound sliderslide and no-sound slidertick at the same time? It's ok iirc, as long there's an audible beginning/end of slider
  2. I don't know the no-sound hitnormal hitsound is rankable even if it is in spinner I don't see any problem with it
  3. I recommend change the source to "CLANNAD" and move that katakana to tags hmm, gonna ask a BN for that

  • 5 mins
  1. OD 8 but I like my od7.5 :(
  2. 00:09:412 (1,2) - Not bad with music. But some players(include me) can't read this 3/4 rhythm at first cuz of DS(with sv) .. @3@ I think it's possible at first try if the player is attentive, not gonna change that
  3. 00:25:912 (4) - Ctrl g is better flow Indeed, but the distances are broken and if I rearrange them, it will get worser than the actual flow imo
  4. 00:30:626 (7,8,9) - Reduce the DS a bit? Nope, this is a warning for the player, and the pattern is easy and readable
  5. 00:44:448 - add a note? it is better imo I don't feel like placing a note here
  6. 00:54:626 (5) - try (48 || 224) or somewhere for unstack ok
  7. 01:12:841 (2,3) - stack for your stack consistency I don't feel like following stack consistency for this part, so much stacks may be boring to play, I think it's ok
  8. 01:17:126 (4,5) - ^ same
  9. 01:19:912 (2,3,4) - Compared with music, they are a bit far.. They are following distance/jumps consistencies though, gonna leave that
  10. 01:46:270 (10,11,12) - nazy, 1ms unsnap aaaaaa indeed
  11. 02:01:912 (6) - NC for consistency yep
  12. 02:32:983 (1) - give more DS for emphasizing the music and slow-slider indeed
  13. 02:56:126 (3) - (276 || 236) is better for me. But it's up to you cuz that is just my style :p I prefer how it is currently :(
  14. 03:00:198 (4) - NC yep
  15. 03:06:198 (3) - change to streams ok
  16. 03:08:555 (6) - (356 || 44) for same DS? there shouldn't be a 2.0x jump here
  17. 03:19:269 (3) - Recommend NC here cuz too long ;w; no, the HP is low enough to let this
  18. 03:20:983 (4) - end at 03:22:269 - here. It feels better in-playing inconsistent
  19. 04:14:126 (1) - feels weird stack. How about stack this on next (2)? ok

gl
Thanks for the mod!
sheela


Hey Neil Watts! Sorry about the late mod! I completely forgot about this map. But anyway, here's my mod!

General

  1. After checking the last mod, according to the Ranking Criteria, having silent sliderslides and sliderticks together is unrankable: http://puu.sh/j4mDy/ac61166f0f.png
    Some of the sliders that have a slidertick can be sounded as a clap. For instance, 01:03:841 (1) and 02:32:983 (1) have their ticks landed on a drum beat. You can use the file you use for this kind of beat (soft-hitclap.wav) and rename it to soft-slidertick<number>.wav. Then you add an inherited point on the tick with the corresponding sampleset.
    While others don't hit anything in the music, and you can adjust the volume using the Timing Setup Panel. The sliders are in the section 03:15:841 to 03:25:483 .
  2. About the source, whether the name of something is provided can be put in the field. CLANNAD and クラナド are both fine.

Kotomi

  1. 00:05:126 (3) - I think if you move this circle out of the head of the slider, and move it next to (2)'s tail, the jump between 00:05:126 (3,4) will emphasize the strong beat where (4) is starting. There are other more like 00:08:555 (3,4) and 00:11:983 (3,4) but may be a pain in the butttock to change every pattern. But this is my preferences, you can apply or not.
  2. 01:21:412 (5) - In my opinion this jump between both previous and following circles don't fit with the current beats, as they're no strong beats. You can go for x:201 y:27 to get a mini jump between 01:21:412 (5,6) because (6) is slightly higher than (5).
    This also applies to 01:24:841 (5) .
  3. 01:29:341 (1) - Currently it doesn't sound very nice. I suggest you start a 1/1 or 1/2 slider on 01:29:555 so the players can click the first beat of the measure. It fits better.
  4. 01:31:912 (7,8,9) - Similar to a point; smaller distance would fit here since there's nothing changing in the music.
    This also applies to 01:39:412 (7,8) - 01:24:841 (5,6) - 03:28:269 (3,4,5) .
  5. 01:35:555 (3) - No beat in the music is landed on the downbeat. The triple should start on 01:35:662 . How about this rhythm?
  6. 03:25:698 (3) - The circle is not fitting with the rhythm and music, and it doesn't sound very nice. I'd reduce the length of 03:24:412 (2) to 03:25:055 and add a repeat to get the violin sound.
  7. 03:28:698 (5) - Add a new combo? The section got intense because of the snap used.
  8. 04:05:983 (2) - I'd have a circle on 04:05:983 and on 04:06:198 because the current rhythm doesn't sound nice to me.
  9. 04:58:483 - How about adding a circle on this tick? It feels empty before the spinner comes.
This should be it! Overall I think the patterns could be polished a bit. Not my taste to be honest, but the map still looks good.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate asking them! Good luck with your map!
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

sheela901 wrote:



Hey Neil Watts! Sorry about the late mod! I completely forgot about this map. But anyway, here's my mod!

General

  1. After checking the last mod, according to the Ranking Criteria, having silent sliderslides and sliderticks together is unrankable: http://puu.sh/j4mDy/ac61166f0f.png Alright... I tried both and it sounds ugly as firetruck, but I'm gonna use sliderticks with less volume.
    Some of the sliders that have a slidertick can be sounded as a clap. For instance, 01:03:841 (1) and 02:32:983 (1) have their ticks landed on a drum beat. You can use the file you use for this kind of beat (soft-hitclap.wav) and rename it to soft-slidertick<number>.wav. Then you add an inherited point on the tick with the corresponding sampleset. Nice idea, but for the sliders you pointed out, I was mapping the symbal so I don't feel like adding a clap in hitsounds here. It's different in the last kiai, because I made the pattern higher
    While others don't hit anything in the music, and you can adjust the volume using the Timing Setup Panel. The sliders are in the section 03:15:841 to 03:25:483 . seems like I can't adjust the volume or it'll be considered as slient and it's unrankable :( so sad, because it sounds so ugly
  2. About the source, whether the name of something is provided can be put in the field. CLANNAD and クラナド are both fine. ok

Kotomi

  1. 00:05:126 (3) - I think if you move this circle out of the head of the slider, and move it next to (2)'s tail, the jump between 00:05:126 (3,4) will emphasize the strong beat where (4) is starting. There are other more like 00:08:555 (3,4) and 00:11:983 (3,4) but may be a pain in the butttock to change every pattern. But this is my preferences, you can apply or not. This is a nice idea and I can understand it, but I think my pattern is a bit more readable and playable. I suppose it's more a matter of preferences/tastes than anything, but anyway, I'm not gonna change them :P
  2. 01:21:412 (5) - In my opinion this jump between both previous and following circles don't fit with the current beats, as they're no strong beats. You can go for x:201 y:27 to get a mini jump between 01:21:412 (5,6) because (6) is slightly higher than (5).
    This also applies to 01:24:841 (5) . Indeed. Adjusted to 1.80x instead of 2.00x. Also applied to 01:28:269 (5) - to fix consistency.
  3. 01:29:341 (1) - Currently it doesn't sound very nice. I suggest you start a 1/1 or 1/2 slider on 01:29:555 so the players can click the first beat of the measure. It fits better. Yeah, this slider is a bit annoying, but I wanna keep it because it really fits to the flow imo. I changed the pattern so the slider doesn't end on a downbeat anymore. I hope the pattern will fit.
  4. 01:31:912 (7,8,9) - Similar to a point; smaller distance would fit here since there's nothing changing in the music. I don't understand, the normal distances are used here, for normal patterns in this part (=no jumps, 1.40x) so there is no reason to use a lesser distance here imo
    This also applies to 01:39:412 (7,8) - I feel the flow nice here, and the part is a bit more difficult so I'm gonna leave it 01:24:841 (5,6) - Already pointed out before iirc, so fixed 03:28:269 (3,4,5) - nope, because it warns the player for an incoming hard part, and it isn't too hard to catch so I think it's ok
  5. 01:35:555 (3) - No beat in the music is landed on the downbeat. The triple should start on 01:35:662 . How about this rhythm? I don't really understand the problem here, and this pattern is consistent towards the other patterns like this one during this part, using your suggestion will break this consistency
  6. 03:25:698 (3) - The circle is not fitting with the rhythm and music, and it doesn't sound very nice. I'd reduce the length of 03:24:412 (2) to 03:25:055 and add a repeat to get the violin sound. I'm not feeling like changing this pattern, the circle appears indeed suddenly after this slow part and changes significatively the rhythm, but it's here to avert players to the incoming hard part. Also, it fits to the rhythm in background , already mapped before (03:07:055 (1,2,3,4,5) - 03:09:626 (3,4,5,6,7) - etc)
  7. 03:28:698 (5) - Add a new combo? The section got intense because of the snap used. indeed
  8. 04:05:983 (2) - I'd have a circle on 04:05:983 and on 04:06:198 because the current rhythm doesn't sound nice to me. It may be a bit tricky indeed, but it fits imo, and it's the hardest part of the song
  9. 04:58:483 - How about adding a circle on this tick? It feels empty before the spinner comes. nope, the rhythm should slow down at the end because of the song. There's 1/1 between (5) and (6), so 1/1 between (6) and the spinner.
This should be it! Overall I think the patterns could be polished a bit. Not my taste to be honest, but the map still looks good.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate asking them! Good luck with your map!
Great mod, thanks! :)
I had questions about the rankability of silent slider slides and slider ticks "silenced" with green timing points, but I asked Cherry Blossom and I think everything's ok now, if my slider ticks are hearable enough (and also ruins the calm part :( ).

Thank you ! If you need a mod in return, don't bother to ask me ^^
Monstrata
[Kotomi]

  1. 00:04:483 (2,3) - This jump was really unexpected for me. You don't use this kind of spacing for your other patterns: 00:07:912 (2,3) - 00:11:341 (2,3) - .
  2. 00:09:412 (1,2,3) - These were really unexpected too. They are 1/4 in terms of spacing but you've mapped them to seem like 1/2 jumps. This is very misleading xP. P
  3. 00:18:198 (2,3,4,5) - Potential for some spacing change here to create emphasis. Having a slightly bigger spacing onto 3 and 5 would play very well imo.
  4. 00:25:912 (4) - How about Ctrl+Ging? A jump from 3>4 would make sense, and Ctrl+G'ing would help with flow.
  5. 00:30:626 (7,8,9) - This spacing is really large... and it isn't really supported by the song imo. Can you reduce it to something more reasonable? (I understand if you don't want to stack them).
  6. 00:36:841 (4,5) - Try Ctrl+G'ing this rhythm. Having 00:37:055 - clickable is better than 00:37:269 - imo.
  7. 00:40:698 (5) - This circle doesn't seem very audible for me... I think a 1/2 slider would be better on 00:40:483 (4) -
  8. 00:41:983 (2,1) - Ehh, stack them?
  9. 00:43:698 (3,4,5) - This rhythm is rather misleading... How about making 3 a 1/2 slider? usually this kind of rhythm helps make these polarity-changing rhythms much more manageable and straightforward.
  10. 00:44:448 - No triplet here?
  11. 00:56:555 (5,1) - Could you make the curve of slider 1 flow a bit better from 5?
  12. 00:58:483 (8) - Making this a triplet would play a lot better imo. I really wanted to click on 00:58:698 - xD
  13. 01:03:841 (1) - I think 0.75 SV is a bit too big... considering you are using 1.15x SV multiplier not 1.00. Maybe use 0.85x instead? It would also ease with the transition into 01:04:698 (2) - . Right now the sliders look like theyre having seizures cuz there's such a large SV discrepancy.
  14. 01:38:983 (4,5,6) - This is actually very feint. I think using 1/4 repeat sliders would be better.
  15. 01:47:555 (4,5,1) - There is a nice pitch increase from 4>5>1. So how about moving 5 left a bit. That way theres a smaller jump from 4>5 and a bigger jump from 5>1. It would fit the music very well imo.
  16. 01:50:983 (4,5,1) - ^Same idea.
  17. 01:59:662 (4) - It's always better to have a directional change mapped to something on a stronger tick (White preferably, and if not, then red ticks). Right now the directional change doesn't reflect anything in the music. Change direction on 3 instead of 4?
  18. 02:13:162 (6) - ^Same thing. A directional change on circle 7 would be better
  19. 02:17:983 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This spacing was suddenly really big compared to your usual DS...
  20. 02:20:555 (5,1) - I think you could increase the DS here for the emphasis onto 1.
  21. 02:32:983 (1) - Mentioned this earlier, I think theres still a large DS jump from 1.40 down to 0.8. Maybe try 0.95?
  22. 02:53:126 - Ahhh, map this?? It's very audible!
  23. 02:56:555 - ^
  24. 03:06:198 (3,4,5,6,7) - As pretty as this stream is, it's a very sudden and large diff jump from your previous pattern. If you want to keep the shape at least nerf the spacing :C.
  25. 03:14:983 (1,2,3) - Hmm... This rhythm just doesn't work for me because the drums are emphasized only on the white ticks.
  26. 03:15:841 (1,2) - Lets improve this blanket? :D 03:17:341 (2) - Move to 409||99
  27. 03:19:269 (3) - 277||48
  28. 03:28:698 (1,2,3,4) - Tbh, when playing these kinds of patterns, having a zig-zag kind of arrangement to them makes them really fun to play.
  29. 03:53:341 (7,1,2) - You've been emphasizing the clap on the 2nd white tick a lot so I would reduce spacing from 7>1 and increase the jump from 1>2 to be more consistent with: 03:50:126 (1,2) - and 03:52:055 (2,3) -
  30. 04:00:198 (1,2) - Try Ctrl+G'ing this rhythm. 04:00:412 - Clicking here would be nice.
  31. 04:10:055 (8) - I guess this is okay for a directional change... but theres a very noticeable beat on 04:09:841 (6) - that would capture the directional change a lot better imo.
  32. 04:22:698 (1) - Yaaa still a bit too extreme ahh i keep pointing them out, I know it's your style, and i'm fine with the SV decrease, i just think it could be less drastic haha. Try 1.05 here?
  33. 04:33:412 (1,2,3) - Yea tbh this is what i wanted to see, not 00:09:412 (1,2,3) - . xDD
  34. 04:54:626 - From here and onward... it sounds like there's some BPM change or something going on... maybe. Did you get this checked out by someone already? If not, could you double check just in case? Its just like the last 6 seconds~
Alright, call me back when everything's sorted out :D. Poke me in-game please, if you have any concerns :D.
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

monstrata wrote:

[Kotomi]

  1. 00:04:483 (2,3) - This jump was really unexpected for me. You don't use this kind of spacing for your other patterns: 00:07:912 (2,3) - 00:11:341 (2,3) - . ok, arranged
  2. 00:09:412 (1,2,3) - These were really unexpected too. They are 1/4 in terms of spacing but you've mapped them to seem like 1/2 jumps. This is very misleading xP. P Reduced the jump a bit. I still wanna keep some distance or there will be no effect
  3. 00:18:198 (2,3,4,5) - Potential for some spacing change here to create emphasis. Having a slightly bigger spacing onto 3 and 5 would play very well imo. I think the 0.60x spacing added for jumps is already quite much. Also, I'll have to report these distances into all the same other jumps for consistency, and my other jumps are already big enough imo. Your example looks nice too, but the distances between 3 and 4 are inconsistent towards the other jumps (it should be a jump distance)
  4. 00:25:912 (4) - How about Ctrl+Ging? A jump from 3>4 would make sense, and Ctrl+G'ing would help with flow. well... Somebody already pointed this out, but I said no because of jump consistency... The jump will be 3.00x but all the jumps are 2.00x :( In the other hand, the rhythm is a bit different in the song, so I think an inconsistency shouldn't be a problem... applied
  5. 00:30:626 (7,8,9) - This spacing is really large... and it isn't really supported by the song imo. Can you reduce it to something more reasonable? (I understand if you don't want to stack them). :( can't reduce it much here, the spacing isn't so high and it's largely readable... reduced to 1.00x
  6. 00:36:841 (4,5) - Try Ctrl+G'ing this rhythm. Having 00:37:055 - clickable is better than 00:37:269 - imo. >flow >jump consistency >nope :/
  7. 00:40:698 (5) - This circle doesn't seem very audible for me... I think a 1/2 slider would be better on 00:40:483 (4) - yep!
  8. 00:41:983 (2,1) - Ehh, stack them? nazi oO"
  9. 00:43:698 (3,4,5) - This rhythm is rather misleading... How about making 3 a 1/2 slider? usually this kind of rhythm helps make these polarity-changing rhythms much more manageable and straightforward. would fit bad to the rhythm :( your slider end is mapped on nothing in the song. I like how my current pattern is, and I think it's playable and readable even without these polarity things :I but if you find a better pattern which fits to the song, I still can apply it
  10. 00:44:448 - No triplet here? nope, I think
  11. 00:56:555 (5,1) - Could you make the curve of slider 1 flow a bit better from 5? Improved
  12. 00:58:483 (8) - Making this a triplet would play a lot better imo. I really wanted to click on 00:58:698 - xD I think my current pattern fits better with 00:58:055 (7) -, wanna keep it
  13. 01:03:841 (1) - I think 0.75 SV is a bit too big... considering you are using 1.15x SV multiplier not 1.00. Maybe use 0.85x instead? It would also ease with the transition into 01:04:698 (2) - . Right now the sliders look like theyre having seizures cuz there's such a large SV discrepancy. I think the player will be able to handle it without problems
  14. 01:38:983 (4,5,6) - This is actually very feint. I think using 1/4 repeat sliders would be better. I like this pattern orz - will change it if it's REALLY a problem...
  15. 01:47:555 (4,5,1) - There is a nice pitch increase from 4>5>1. So how about moving 5 left a bit. That way theres a smaller jump from 4>5 and a bigger jump from 5>1. It would fit the music very well imo. I agree, but abusing of the jumps would be a bad idea, it's already quite hard... Increased the distances between 5>1 of 0.10x.
  16. 01:50:983 (4,5,1) - ^Same idea. same
  17. 01:59:662 (4) - It's always better to have a directional change mapped to something on a stronger tick (White preferably, and if not, then red ticks). Right now the directional change doesn't reflect anything in the music. Change direction on 3 instead of 4? ok, changed!
  18. 02:13:162 (6) - ^Same thing. A directional change on circle 7 would be better done
  19. 02:17:983 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This spacing was suddenly really big compared to your usual DS... nope, 2.00x, the jump distances used during all this kiai - maybe you had this impression because I didn't used jumps for some seconds of mapping before these patterns
  20. 02:20:555 (5,1) - I think you could increase the DS here for the emphasis onto 1. 1.00x more distance? what? not sure to understand
  21. 02:32:983 (1) - Mentioned this earlier, I think theres still a large DS jump from 1.40 down to 0.8. Maybe try 0.95? same as before
  22. 02:53:126 - Ahhh, map this?? It's very audible! nope, I'm mapping the violin here
  23. 02:56:555 - ^ same
  24. 03:06:198 (3,4,5,6,7) - As pretty as this stream is, it's a very sudden and large diff jump from your previous pattern. If you want to keep the shape at least nerf the spacing :C. ok, spacing - 0.20x, can't make it smaller
  25. 03:14:983 (1,2,3) - Hmm... This rhythm just doesn't work for me because the drums are emphasized only on the white ticks. I don't see the problem, and I like my three 1/3 sliders D:
  26. 03:15:841 (1,2) - Lets improve this blanket? :D 03:17:341 (2) - Move to 409||99 ok!
  27. 03:19:269 (3) - 277||48 same
  28. 03:28:698 (1,2,3,4) - Tbh, when playing these kinds of patterns, having a zig-zag kind of arrangement to them makes them really fun to play. I received a lot of comments about the difficulty of these 1/8 sliders so I reduced the difficulty, I won't change ;w;
  29. 03:53:341 (7,1,2) - You've been emphasizing the clap on the 2nd white tick a lot so I would reduce spacing from 7>1 and increase the jump from 1>2 to be more consistent with: 03:50:126 (1,2) - and 03:52:055 (2,3) - improved!
  30. 04:00:198 (1,2) - Try Ctrl+G'ing this rhythm. 04:00:412 - Clicking here would be nice. remapped this part!
  31. 04:10:055 (8) - I guess this is okay for a directional change... but theres a very noticeable beat on 04:09:841 (6) - that would capture the directional change a lot better imo. ok imo
  32. 04:22:698 (1) - Yaaa still a bit too extreme ahh i keep pointing them out, I know it's your style, and i'm fine with the SV decrease, i just think it could be less drastic haha. Try 1.05 here? nah :[
  33. 04:33:412 (1,2,3) - Yea tbh this is what i wanted to see, not 00:09:412 (1,2,3) - . xDD absolutely not the same rhythm in the timeline uwu
  34. 04:54:626 - From here and onward... it sounds like there's some BPM change or something going on... maybe. Did you get this checked out by someone already? If not, could you double check just in case? Its just like the last 6 seconds~ Shiro made my timing, and I don't think she's wrong, I checked myself D:
Alright, call me back when everything's sorted out :D. Poke me in-game please, if you have any concerns :D.
Thank you very much :)

EDIT: BSS sucks atm, gonna retry to upload later
Monstrata
[Recheck]

  1. 00:08:769 (4,1,2,3,1) - This spacing is still way too big. Problem here is, your 1/4 jumps like from 00:09:412 (1,2) - look just the same as the spacing from 00:08:769 (4,1) - and 00:10:269 (3,1) - Even though they are 1/2 gaps. This is going to cause readability issues. There is no indication as to what spacing is 1/4 and what spacing is 1/2.
  2. 00:43:055 (1,2) - Ctrl+G this rhythm? Nothing really on 00:43:483 -
  3. 00:44:448 - There's a triplet here tho, and 00:44:876 - . But meh i guess you don't want to map them?
  4. 02:17:126 (6,7,1) - When i pointed out the spacing, i meant, why did you use like 1.40 here and then 02:18:626 (6,7,8) - 2.00 here :S.
  5. 02:53:126 - It doesn't sound like you're only mapping the violin... Like, parts like 02:50:555 (2,3,4) - and 02:54:626 (3) - Clearly aren't violin-based. You can afford to map more than just one sound too, instead of just focusing on one instrument. You'll make people click early because you've stacked 02:52:912 (4) - Ontop of a slider so players don't have any spacing reference to think "okay this is spaced really far, its probably 1/1" also, there is clearly a note here, which can make players click early thinking its that note.
  6. 03:06:198 (3,4,5,6,7) - Did you change this? :S. This section is really quiet. Tbh a stream shape like this just doesn't fit for me because they are actually very difficult to play because of the amount of motion needed to play them (full circle) instead of just a line, or a simple curve. I really don't think this works
  7. 03:15:412 - You don't get to emphasize this part or even make it clickable.
  8. 01:04:644 - Might want to silence the slider-ends of these sliders since you've extended them even past the blue tick into 1/8... I think leaving them on blue ticks is safer honestly
  9. About your style:
  10. 01:42:841 (7,8,1) - The problem with your consistent spacing style is that places like this, where there is clearly more emphasis onto slider 1 aren't mapped to a larger jump or something so as to create emphasis on that note. Because every note is given the same spacing here, nothing is emphasized. 01:42:841 (7) - Like this note for example, is very soft, almost silent, yet it has the same spacing as 01:43:269 (1) - .
  11. 01:50:555 (3,4,5) - Stuff like this is good, because you use different DS to create more emphasis onto 5.


I want to hear your thoughts on the point I made about your spacing choice before I consider pushing this forward xPPP. Tbh, the more I look at this map the more I think quality could be improved xPPP. Sorry for giving you this false hope, i feel bad now xP, but our styles as you see, are very different lol. Anyways, let me know what you think.
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

monstrata wrote:

[Recheck]

  1. 00:08:769 (4,1,2,3,1) - This spacing is still way too big. Problem here is, your 1/4 jumps like from 00:09:412 (1,2) - look just the same as the spacing from 00:08:769 (4,1) - and 00:10:269 (3,1) - Even though they are 1/2 gaps. This is going to cause readability issues. There is no indication as to what spacing is 1/4 and what spacing is 1/2. Ok, let's ruin my mapping... Here's a new pattern, it should fit now... Very ugly though :(
  2. 00:43:055 (1,2) - Ctrl+G this rhythm? Nothing really on 00:43:483 - what, ctrl+g? and the flow? :(
  3. 00:44:448 - There's a triplet here tho, and 00:44:876 - . But meh i guess you don't want to map them? Just noticed when listening at 25%... well...I prefer my current pattern, but i'll remap this
  4. 02:17:126 (6,7,1) - When i pointed out the spacing, i meant, why did you use like 1.40 here and then 02:18:626 (6,7,8) - 2.00 here :S. I feel like the first pattern sounds less stronger than the second, and also for consistency (with 02:02:983 (4,1) - and 02:04:912 (6,7,8) - )
  5. 02:53:126 - It doesn't sound like you're only mapping the violin... Like, parts like 02:50:555 (2,3,4) - and 02:54:626 (3) - Clearly aren't violin-based. You can afford to map more than just one sound too, instead of just focusing on one instrument. You'll make people click early because you've stacked 02:52:912 (4) - Ontop of a slider so players don't have any spacing reference to think "okay this is spaced really far, its probably 1/1" also, there is clearly a note here, which can make players click early thinking its that note. Indeed, this is not full violin. Basically, I was trying to map only violin because it's inconsistent -> rich to map because the rhythm of the violin isn't the same during all the part ; but the part wasn't difficult enough with only the violin mapped, and it felt empty. So I decided to map a bit of the background sound, which is consistent (just a basic 1/2 sound which is the same during all the part and isn't interesting to map) to fill the blank parts. But I absolutely wanna leave a bit of inconsistency in these patterns, else it will sound boring and uninteresting, because there will be no rhythm variation. Moreover, if you add just a circle stacked here 02:53:126 - and here 02:56:555 - , it will sound overmapped and misplaced... I'll probably have to remap all the part to make a change I won't like... So I'm not gonna change this pattern. >:(
  6. 03:06:198 (3,4,5,6,7) - Did you change this? :S. This section is really quiet. Tbh a stream shape like this just doesn't fit for me because they are actually very difficult to play because of the amount of motion needed to play them (full circle) instead of just a line, or a simple curve. I really don't think this works I already reduced the distances of 0.20x. I can't reduce it anymore. I already used courbs in the other patterns, so this is the minimum of originality the Ranking Criteria should allow me. However if you find another original pattern I like which I didn't already used, I'm ready to use it instead of this pattern. But I think this pattern shouldn't be a problem for the players, except the farmers/"2015 only" players, maybe.
  7. 03:15:412 - You don't get to emphasize this part or even make it clickable. I don't understand what you're meaning... This pattern is perfectly playable imo, a 1/3 won't kill the players....
  8. 01:04:644 - Might want to silence the slider-ends of these sliders since you've extended them even past the blue tick into 1/8... I think leaving them on blue ticks is safer honestly won't be an issue for players imo
  9. About your style:
  10. 01:42:841 (7,8,1) - The problem with your consistent spacing style is that places like this, where there is clearly more emphasis onto slider 1 aren't mapped to a larger jump or something so as to create emphasis on that note. Because every note is given the same spacing here, nothing is emphasized. 01:42:841 (7) - Like this note for example, is very soft, almost silent, yet it has the same spacing as 01:43:269 (1) - . I agree on this. Gonna reduce the distances between (6) and (7) and increase between (7) and (8).
  11. 01:50:555 (3,4,5) - Stuff like this is good, because you use different DS to create more emphasis onto 5. ok :3


I want to hear your thoughts on the point I made about your spacing choice before I consider pushing this forward xPPP. Tbh, the more I look at this map the more I think quality could be improved xPPP. Sorry for giving you this false hope, i feel bad now xP, but our styles as you see, are very different lol. Anyways, let me know what you think.
Thanks for the recheck. :)

Well... I have more or less the feeling that my mapping style is disappearing a bit of my map...
Do you think my map can be ranked without being just "ranking material" ? I didn't made my map ESPECIALLY for ranking, so yes, I'm using my own patterns, it's basically not always flat and 100% safe, even if I think I'm not using very risky patterns...
I know that I had to fix a lot of patterns in order to make it ranked, but should my mapping style be 100% flat and uninspiring to be ranked?
Monstrata
I don't think you're losing your mapping style. I think your style is still growing. People's mapping styles change even after they've had multiple ranked maps. As you mod more and understand more approaches to mapping, your style also changes even if only a little. At the same time though, I don't want to force you to change your current style, no one should do that. Only you should decide when to change your style and approach to mapping.

If you'd like to make further changes, please let me know so I can recheck. As of right now, after going through your map, I find nothing objectively unrankable, so I will push this forward.
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

monstrata wrote:

I don't think you're losing your mapping style. I think your style is still growing. People's mapping styles change even after they've had multiple ranked maps. As you mod more and understand more approaches to mapping, your style also changes even if only a little. At the same time though, I don't want to force you to change your current style, no one should do that. Only you should decide when to change your style and approach to mapping.

If you'd like to make further changes, please let me know so I can recheck. As of right now, after going through your map, I find nothing objectively unrankable, so I will push this forward.
Thank you very much!! :D

My mapping style is indeed different from what it was on my other ranked maps... I hope it's good enough for the QAT now :P
Cherry Blossom
00:26:341 -
00:27:198 - and many more...

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Hitsounds from notes and sliders must be audible. These provide feedback for the player, and having them silent in a rhythm game doesn't make much sense. If you don't like the default sounds, then find replacements rather than silencing notes. You can use hitsounds from the Custom Hitsound Library or easily find others online. Lowering the volume of a few notes to provide a dampened effect is usually fine, but complete silence is always unacceptable. The end of a spinner (or even the entire spinner) the sliding sound of a slider, and the end of a slider can be silent, but only do it if it makes sense. Finally, you cannot silence both slider ticks and slider slides together.
jonathanlfj
[General]
what CB said is true, you are safer raising the tick volumes to 20%, this way they are still audible but does not destroy the game play experience
I think combo 3 could use a little more greenish colour, given that the majority of the BG is in green

your first red line and green line lands on the same place but have different volume settings, you need to make them the same

[Kotomi]
00:17:448 - a circle here to catch the synth would be nice
00:25:698 (3,4) - this angle plays really weird, you might want to rotate the slider counterclockwise a bit
01:03:841 (1) - this slider should end at 01:04:591, you can move the repeat sliders a bit furthur to fix the spacing
01:45:412 (5) - NC
02:25:483 (5) - move this up a bit to form a smoother arc with 02:25:698 (6,1)
02:32:983 (1) - same as 01:03:841 (1)
03:19:269 (3) - NC
03:37:912 (1,2,3,4,5) - give it a little more spacing to rid the overlaps
03:42:948 (11,1) - bring these a little closer, i read this as 1/2 and let go of 11 too early
04:22:698 (1) - the sudden slow down in sv is a bit unexpected, would be great if you can bump it to 1.0x to have a smoother transition

yeah let me know afterwards
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

Cherry Blossom wrote:

00:26:341 -
00:27:198 - and many more...
monstrata told me it isn't a problem :(
well, reverted. every slider tick is now 20% volume (instead of 5%).

jonathanlfj wrote:

[General]
what CB said is true, you are safer raising the tick volumes to 20%, this way they are still audible but does not destroy the game play experience done!
I think combo 3 could use a little more greenish colour, given that the majority of the BG is in green Fully remade the combo colors.

your first red line and green line lands on the same place but have different volume settings, you need to make them the same
Alright, placed a new green timing point on the spinner before the red timing point
[Kotomi]
00:17:448 - a circle here to catch the synth would be nice A triplet already? Too early in a calm song and a bit overmapped imo
00:25:698 (3,4) - this angle plays really weird, you might want to rotate the slider counterclockwise a bit ok, just reversed the last ctrl+g
01:03:841 (1) - this slider should end at 01:04:591, you can move the repeat sliders a bit furthur to fix the spacing ok!
01:45:412 (5) - NC ok
02:25:483 (5) - move this up a bit to form a smoother arc with 02:25:698 (6,1) fine
02:32:983 (1) - same as 01:03:841 (1) yep
03:19:269 (3) - NC okay
03:37:912 (1,2,3,4,5) - give it a little more spacing to rid the overlaps added more spacing. Can't increase too much though.
03:42:948 (11,1) - bring these a little closer, i read this as 1/2 and let go of 11 too early alright
04:22:698 (1) - the sudden slow down in sv is a bit unexpected, would be great if you can bump it to 1.0x to have a smoother transition The player should know the rhythm after two kiais, the sv is also a bit superior than in the previous kiais, no changes

yeah let me know afterwards
Thank you very much! It's been a long time I accepted so much items in a mod...
Monstrata
Rebubbling.

Sorry it took so long xPP.
jonathanlfj
alright #2
Topic Starter
Neil Watts
Thank you very much :)
Pereira006
we did irc is was fix some whistle only last kiai

this mapset look good and funny play

(too many qualified maps over the last 24 hours! (6 max)) waiting .... lol

Will edit when this map get qualify
Topic Starter
Neil Watts
Thank you Pereira o/

(here's the IRC log of our modding session, if needed)

SPOILER
[15:40] <Neil_Watts> please tell me if you fine anything bothering owo7
[15:44] <Pereira006> they really perfect, hitsound,m everthing look good
[15:44] <Pereira006> and I wonder players can catch jump 1/8
[15:45] <Neil_Watts> oh well
[15:46] <Pereira006> only this part, 03:28:698 (1,2,3,4) -
[15:46] <Neil_Watts> 1/8 can be a bit hard, especially on last kiai, but they're still playable imo - and I can't really map 1/4 on this part D:
[15:46] <Pereira006> made me worry, I'm not pro player but can't catch this... other i can...
[15:47] <Pereira006> hmm ok then lol
[15:47] <Pereira006> 03:29:983 (2) - you need whistle in begin ?
[15:47] <Pereira006> other parts doesn't have but the song are "loop"
[15:48] <Pereira006> like in 03:36:841 (2) - the music is repetive but doesn't have whistle orz
[15:48] <Neil_Watts> 03:28:966 - I already reduced a lot the spacing in this part, knowing that it should be the hardest part for the song, I can't reduce it much more :/
[15:48] <Pereira006> only last kiai, i can see there missing whistle
[15:49] <Neil_Watts> the whistle isn't a tick
[15:49] <Neil_Watts> it's quite irregular, and in background
[15:50] <Neil_Watts> oh, indeed!
[15:50] <Pereira006> i don't know, believe or not, i don't see background....
[15:50] <Pereira006> i mean the music,
[15:50] <Pereira006> ho you know now lol
[15:51] <Neil_Watts> oh wait, I'm not sure there is a whistle in 03:36:841 (2) -
[15:51] <Neil_Watts> nope there isn't
[15:51] <Pereira006> if you listen clouser this music, that 03:36:412 is repetive in 03:29:555
[15:52] <Neil_Watts> so there should not be a whistle on 3:29 I suppose
[15:52] <Neil_Watts> gonna try to hear
[15:52] <Pereira006> lol, you choice, remove whistle 03:29:983 (2) - or add whistle 03:26
[15:52] <Neil_Watts> yup
[15:52] <Pereira006> i just wanna make sure you style hitsounds is consistency
[15:53] <Pereira006> I'm not destroying...
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> no, no, I know, there is an inconsistency here
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> This whistle is just hard to hear lol
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> but yep, there isn't a whistle here 03:29:983 (2) -
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> gonna remove it
[15:53] <Pereira006> i can hear LOL
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> you can hear it ? D:
[15:53] <Pereira006> yup
[15:53] <Neil_Watts> ORZ
[15:54] <Neil_Watts> compare 03:29:983 (2) - and 03:30:841 (6) -
[15:54] <Pereira006> if you wanna consistency
[15:54] <Pereira006> i will put only important
[15:54] <Pereira006> 03:41:983 (2) - remove whistle
[15:55] <Pereira006> yea, I like said, is you choice... put whistle or remove
[15:55] <Pereira006> every tick white short, is repetive, just saying
[15:55] <Neil_Watts> or is there really a whistle there
[15:55] <Pereira006> let me know if you fix that
[15:55] <Neil_Watts> but the song is just inconsistent itself LOL
[15:55] <Pereira006> lol
[15:55] <Pereira006> better blame autor
[15:55] <Pereira006> *artist
[15:56] <Neil_Watts> TAM is a nice violinist :(
[15:56] <Pereira006> hitsound won't affect DQ
[15:56] <Pereira006> is just when i play
[15:56] <Pereira006> Hear whistle then some missing i was like
[15:56] <Pereira006> "what the" lol
[15:57] <Neil_Watts> I didn't put whistles everywhere else
[15:57] <Neil_Watts> on the same rhythm in the kiai
[15:57] <Neil_Watts> so I guess I only heard a whistle there
[15:57] <Neil_Watts> well, gonna remove it anyway, for consistency :p
[15:58] <Neil_Watts> too much instruments to know anyway lol
[15:58] <Pereira006> lol, if me, i don't care, put aldready consistency
[15:58] <Pereira006> so then BN instant bubbe or qualify KLOL
[15:59] <Pereira006> because the easy BN give you bubble or qualify only you have to do is consistency orz
[15:59] <Neil_Watts> well, no one noticed that whistle problem before you :P
[16:00] <Neil_Watts> updated, thanks!
[16:00] <Pereira006> really ? whistle is really high here... i still can hear
[16:00] <Pereira006> well maybe jsut me
[16:00] <Neil_Watts> there is still no whistle on the other ones D:
[16:02] <Neil_Watts> I compared 03:29:983 - and 03:30:841 - after removing all elements in this part
[16:02] <Neil_Watts> the second is a whistle, the first isn't, I think
[16:04] <Pereira006> alright, is fine, I can't find more issues and some
[16:05] <Pereira006> they really perfect for me
[16:05] <Pereira006> well, ready ?
[16:05] <Neil_Watts> uhhh, yep, I think everything should be fine now :P
Pereira006
Approve

Congtraz :D
Raiden
Uhmm... not to be a party popper or anything but






Might be a bug, idk.
Pereira006

Raiden wrote:

Uhmm... not to be a party popper or anything but






Might be a bug, idk.

Is bug because the Spinner, the real lenght is 5:06 and mp3 have 5:13.
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

Pereira006 wrote:

Approve

Congtraz :D
Thank you very much :D/

Raiden wrote:

Uhmm... not to be a party popper or anything but






Might be a bug, idk.
Yep, website-side bug. The ingame draining time is different :)
Okoratu
Gz Neil :D
Nozhomi
It's happening !
Secretpipe

Nozhomi wrote:

It happened
fix'd
Gamu
Hello!

We have found some potential issues that we feel are important enough to address before continuing:

General

Wrong Source:

  • "クラナド" is way of reading, so it should not be added as source. Add to tags instead.
    According to the following images and site, the source must be CLANNAD
  1. Image: http://puu.sh/jQnUi/c7af7e8853.png
  2. Image: http://puu.sh/jQnV3/e4b5635d8f.png
  3. Official site: http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/clannad1/06special/special.html
Wrong Artist:

  • "たむ" is way of reading, and he have been using "TAM".
    According to the following images and site, the artist must be TAM if you want to use his name.
    Otherwise, I would like to recommend that you use the doujin circle name (TAMUSIC).
  1. Image: http://puu.sh/jRjzb/ce4ba9cce9.png
  2. Image: http://puu.sh/jRjB6/a4cf5f9da0.png
  3. Official site: http://tamusic.jp/

If you disagree with these suggestions, please reply to this thread justifying why so we can discuss alternatives.

Otherwise, please reply to this thread when these issues are resolved.

Thanks for working with us towards higher quality beatmaps, we hope to see your beatmap ranked soon!

###B
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

Gamu wrote:

Hello!

We have found some potential issues that we feel are important enough to address before continuing:

General

Wrong Source:

  • "クラナド" is way of reading, so it should not be added as source. Add to tags instead.
    According to the following images and site, the source must be CLANNAD
  1. Image: http://puu.sh/jQnUi/c7af7e8853.png
  2. Image: http://puu.sh/jQnV3/e4b5635d8f.png
  3. Official site: http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/clannad1/06special/special.html
Wrong Artist:

  • "たむ" is way of reading, and he have been using "TAM".
    According to the following images and site, the artist must be TAM if you want to use his name.
    Otherwise, I would like to recommend that you use the doujin circle name (TAMUSIC).
  1. Image: http://puu.sh/jRjzb/ce4ba9cce9.png
  2. Image: http://puu.sh/jRjB6/a4cf5f9da0.png
  3. Official site: http://tamusic.jp/

If you disagree with these suggestions, please reply to this thread justifying why so we can discuss alternatives.

Otherwise, please reply to this thread when these issues are resolved.

Thanks for working with us towards higher quality beatmaps, we hope to see your beatmap ranked soon!

###B
OH WELL
For the first time I'm serarching the most exact possible sources to avoid DQ, I'm getting DQ'ed for "too much metadata"... ORZ

For the artist's japanese name, I used the official website (http://tamusic.jp/about/tam/)
For the source, I basically used Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clannad_% ... l_novel%29)...

The DQ reason is a bit stupid imo, since all the japanese names in the metadata are used on official websites, but well, alright, gonna change this, debating on metadata would be useless anyway :')
And I'm not japanese to know which terms are the most used by the artists themselves.

Alright, here's the list of changes:
  1. "TAM" set as Artist
  2. "Romanised Artist" field deleted
  3. "CLANNAD" set as Source
  4. "clannad" deleted from the tags, "たむ" (tamu) and "クラナド" (kuranado) added
Map updated!
Sorry monstrata, jonathan and Pereira, I'm noob orz
Pereira006
It's ok Neil, call me when this get bubble
Gamu
If you are worried about the metadata or would like me to check, feel free to call me anytime via the PM in order to avoid such metadata issue :3
Topic Starter
Neil Watts

Pereira006 wrote:

It's ok Neil, call me when this get bubble
Alright, thanks!

Gamu wrote:

If you are worried about the metadata or would like me to check, feel free to call me anytime via the PM in order to avoid such metadata issue :3
Thank you Gamu, I will think about it the next time :)
Monstrata
We doublechecked the metadata + doublechecked the title + romanized title just in case.

We checked using this site: http://tam3.name/TAM3-0028.html

The first track is Megumeru.

#1
shARPII
rank or riot please :D
Secretpipe
atoz
Topic Starter
Neil Watts
Gonna PM jonathanlfj about it.
I'm a bit busy in this period of the year, so it may take some time before the rank.
Jonathan also looks busy, as he said in his userpage.
lit120
welp, i did an IRC mod with Neil about hitsounds only, but sadly, it's not complete yet D:

IRC MOD
00:43 -Hakurei-: hi watts
00:43 -Hakurei-: i heard that all chat moderators and support team have changed into GMT
00:43 -Hakurei-: well played
01:03 Neil Watts: hi
01:03 Neil Watts: yep :D
01:03 -Hakurei-: yep
01:03 -Hakurei-: late for 20 minutes to reply
01:04 Neil Watts: sorry, I was outside :P
01:04 -Hakurei-: pfftt
01:04 -Hakurei-: btw
01:04 *-Hakurei- is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/712691 TAM - Megumeru]
01:04 -Hakurei-: i found out that this one is DQ
01:05 Neil Watts: yeah... not for a long time though (I hope)
01:05 -Hakurei-: yeah
01:05 Neil Watts: some metadata issues
01:05 -Hakurei-: ask KwaN or other QATs for that
01:05 *-Hakurei- is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/712691 TAM - Megumeru [Kotomi]]
01:05 -Hakurei-: gonna check hitsounds for in case =w=
01:06 Neil Watts: oh, thanks ^^"
01:06 Neil Watts: well, this time I really think everything is ok
01:06 -Hakurei-: nope
01:06 -Hakurei-: not really
01:06 Neil Watts: (hurr, that's what every mapper thinks before the dq lol)
01:06 -Hakurei-: i found something
01:06 Neil Watts: oh ? :O
01:07 Neil Watts: Is it about hitsounding ?
01:07 -Hakurei-: yes
01:07 -Hakurei-: i told you
01:07 -Hakurei-: "gonna check hitsounds for in case =w="
01:07 Neil Watts: uguu
01:07 -Hakurei-: can you do a fix now?
01:07 -Hakurei-: if not, i'll do a mod in thread
01:08 Neil Watts: yeah, I can go ingame if needed
01:08 -Hakurei-: let's go then
01:08 -Hakurei-: 00:37:698 (7) - remove clap
01:08 Neil Watts: what D:
01:09 Neil Watts: I can hear it
01:09 Neil Watts: same as (6)
01:09 Neil Watts: oh wait
01:09 -Hakurei-: nope
01:09 Neil Watts: no, it's weaker indeed
01:09 -Hakurei-: 00:37:483 (6,8) - only this one is the same :p
01:09 -Hakurei-: not the (7)
01:10 Neil Watts: but it fits quite well with (7) :(
01:10 -Hakurei-: 00:41:126 (6) - here too
01:10 -Hakurei-: nope, not for me
01:10 -Hakurei-: --> just want to make the hitsound correct
01:11 -Hakurei-: 00:44:126 (5) - here, you need finish
01:12 Neil Watts: oh, yep, indeed
01:12 Neil Watts: gonna lessen the hitsounding volume though
01:12 -Hakurei-: ayy, it'll do
01:12 Neil Watts: because the finish is weaker here
01:13 -Hakurei-: ok
01:14 Neil Watts: hmmmrr sounds inconsistent
01:14 -Hakurei-: welp, you may deny that
01:15 Neil Watts: gonna add the finish because there's really something here
01:15 Neil Watts: but can't reduce the volume, placing a timing point to change the volume would be inconsistent here :[
01:16 -Hakurei-: lol ok
01:16 -Hakurei-: this is weird
01:17 Neil Watts: not gonna change my previous hitsounding pattern though, with "o-o-ooo" claps
01:17 Neil Watts: 'cause I like them =w=
01:17 -Hakurei-: 00:50:876 (3) - remove clap
01:17 -Hakurei-: since on some kiai parts like that, you didn't even add clap
01:18 Neil Watts: oh, I remember I added it after a mod
01:18 Neil Watts: these two claps?
01:18 Neil Watts: or just the (3) ?
01:18 -Hakurei-: (3)
01:18 -Hakurei-: just (3)
01:18 Neil Watts: alright, fixed!
01:19 -Hakurei-: 02:33:412 - well, i would do something on this note if i were you
01:19 Neil Watts: 01:03:841 (1) - like here?
01:19 -Hakurei-: correct
01:19 -Hakurei-: wait
01:19 Neil Watts: Well, I've done something on the last kiai
01:19 -Hakurei-: nvm
01:20 Neil Watts: but not on the two firsts
01:20 -Hakurei-: that's just me lol
01:20 -Hakurei-: didn't even realize
01:20 -Hakurei-: 02:33:841 (2) - 3rd part clap
01:21 -Hakurei-: i think i want to complain something about your song choice on this map
01:22 -Hakurei-: it makes me sleepy ya know D:
01:22 Neil Watts: you don't like violin ? :(
01:22 -Hakurei-: well i do
01:22 Neil Watts: gonna fix the (2) everywhere, thx
01:22 -Hakurei-: 03:14:983 (1,2,3) - for me...
01:23 -Hakurei-: i think you need additions into "Drum"
01:23 -Hakurei-: ow nvm
01:23 -Hakurei-: didn't realize the hitsound stuff
01:24 Neil Watts: that drum hitsound set idea was interesting
01:24 -Hakurei-: 03:29:126 (3) - first part, clap
01:24 Neil Watts: but I think I prefer my soft custom hitsounds
01:25 -Hakurei-: 03:29:341 (4) - first part, clap (soft)
01:25 Neil Watts: wow, my hitsounding sucks so much lmao
01:25 -Hakurei-: lmao
01:25 -Hakurei-: you should recheck everything on hitsound stuff kawkwkw
01:25 Neil Watts: hmmm not gonna add the last one, sounds like inconsistent on a drum part
01:26 -Hakurei-: i see...
01:26 Neil Watts: I already rechecked some times but idk, I just didn't noticed D:
01:26 -Hakurei-: 03:30:841 (6) - clever idea by adding whistle + clap =w=)b
01:26 Neil Watts: :D
01:27 -Hakurei-: 03:36:091 (7,9) - umm, did you set this from violin part?
01:27 Neil Watts: yep
01:27 -Hakurei-: ok
01:28 Neil Watts: like here 03:39:841 (1,2,3,4,5) -
01:29 -Hakurei-: 03:42:948 (11) - 3rd part, whistle
01:30 Neil Watts: omg how can you hear that
01:31 Neil Watts: do you have bionic ears ? oO"
01:31 -Hakurei-: wtf hell no
01:31 Neil Watts: ok i'm just deaf :')
01:31 -Hakurei-: i can tell that there is 1 pause part there
01:31 -Hakurei-: so, i can tell that the 4th part doesn't need whistle there
01:32 -Hakurei-: 03:56:769 (11,12) - lel, wrong hitsound
01:32 -Hakurei-: (11) should be whistle, not (12)
01:33 Neil Watts: indeed!
01:33 -Hakurei-: 04:10:483 (12,13) - same thing from what i said before
01:34 -Hakurei-: again lmao
01:34 -Hakurei-: 04:13:698 (6) - remove whistle at tail
01:37 -Hakurei-: 04:16:698 (6,7,8,9) - ohh boy. here i go for the hitsound check
01:38 Neil Watts: sorry, my internet crashed
01:38 Neil Watts: and I have to leave D:
01:38 -Hakurei-: wtf
01:38 Neil Watts: please write me a mod
01:38 Neil Watts: thank you for what you've pointed out :P
01:39 -Hakurei-: aye ok

and here's the additional mod in case whether it was not written on your view since your internet was crashed ._.

[Additional Mod]
  1. 00:37:698 (7,9) - remove clap
  2. 03:56:769 (11,12) - lel, wrong hitsound. (11) should be whistle, not (12)
  3. 04:10:483 (12,13) - same thing from what i said before
  4. 04:13:698 (6) - remove whistle at tail
  5. 04:16:912 (7) - first part, whistle
  6. 04:20:769 (7) - remove whistle
  7. 04:24:212 - i'd add a note here (finish) for better and epic if i were you
  8. 04:24:412 (1) - clap
  9. 04:33:412 (1,2) - what a quite sound from the tail XD
  10. 00:31:269 (1) - umm, finish here (with a different custom hitsound)
  11. 00:38:126 (1) - ^
check the hitsounds again, for in case :p. GL!
Topic Starter
Neil Watts
@Hakurei: Sorry for the sudden interruption of our ingame discussion, I had some IRL unexpected problems.
Thanks for the hitsounding mod, gonna check that tomorrow asap before jonathan's #2 (if he wants to do it).


EDIT: Alright, here I go :

[Additional Mod]
  1. 00:37:698 (7,9) - remove clap Already said it during our IRC mod, I think I'm gonna keep this because it fits well imo. If I remove hitsounds here it will feel empty. :(
  2. 03:56:769 (11,12) - lel, wrong hitsound. (11) should be whistle, not (12) alright, fixed
  3. 04:10:483 (12,13) - same thing from what i said before ^
  4. 04:13:698 (6) - remove whistle at tail yep
  5. 04:16:912 (7) - first part, whistle alright
  6. 04:20:769 (7) - remove whistle ^
  7. 04:24:212 - i'd add a note here (finish) for better and epic if i were you hmmm, it doesn't sound like following the rhythm imo
  8. 04:24:412 (1) - clap oh, nice idea
  9. 04:33:412 (1,2) - what a quite sound from the tail XD Yeah, I muted the slider end for these two sliders to fit with the song.
  10. 00:31:269 (1) - umm, finish here (with a different custom hitsound) I don't know which custom hitsound I may use, and honestly I think adding too much finish at the beginning of this song may ruin the calm of the map. Also I don't think the finish in the song here is important enough to be mapped. Gonna stay with my soft hitsounds and use finishes wisely, except on kiai where I can add more sounds :D
  11. 00:38:126 (1) - ^
^

Even if the map was in a quite advanced state in modding, you improved it a lot. Thank you very much :)
jonathanlfj
sht been too busy lately sorry

#2
Pereira006
Je me appele est Pereira006 O/

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Topic Starter
Neil Watts
Thank you very much, you two :D
Thanks monstrata too :3/

Gonna edit the map description this weekend!
Jenny
Preface: This is not a full mod since I understand you would not want to change the majority of a map that is already qualified in one way or the other - this doesn't mean the map is bad, this just means I will hold back on very workload intense improvements that I see possible, or will only address them briefly rather than going into detail on every occurance.

Please keep in mind that most examples pointed out in this post will be reoccuring phenomenons, so you should check your map for whether they occur more often, and fix them accordingly if you so see a reason in doing so. If you have trouble finding them or are unsure, you can usually PM me on IRC during weekdays, afternoon time GMT+1.


A brief overview of the issues I see with this map, and areas I see it being able to be improved upon rather easily (elaborations follow in their own boxes below):

  1. hitvolume tweaking (sliderends should have lower volume than their starts, as they do not represent strong player input, and this makes for a more clear alignment of playing and hitsounding rhythm, helping to make the map more intuitive. a general rule of thumb is to reduce a sliderend's hitvolume by around a third to half the volume of the start, in order to fit it more into the background)
  2. passive hitsounding issues (elaborated upon further and in the linked thread, also relates to the previous point)
  3. pressure delivery and beat intensity (strong beats should usually be more spaced-out, rather than stacked on top, even if they are just hitsounds or it is the same sound repeating twice - sharp angles and turns can also help with emphasis on these. relates to beat patterning and passive hitsounding)
  4. beat patterning (the way you break up beats into patterns, i.e. if you'd be mapping as a triangle what in the song is two pairs of two, then you'd be going against the beat patterning and pairmotion that is given in the song - basically, try to structure your map as the song does it)

Rhythm Conflicts in Map vs Song



There's a few examples of what I call passive hitsounds in this map, so I'll address a few examples - if you are unsure about what this means, please try to understand from the description below or read up here; alternatively, you can just ask me on IRC, that works too.


Here's a few examples of these:

00:58:055 (7,8) - I don't exactly like using kicksliders like this, since what you are doing is you are turning 3 1/4 notes, of which the strongest one in the song is the last on each of them, into two 1/2 hold notes; that means that only the first beat is pressured, and that doesn't make any sense here since the strongest beat of the slider is the one that is at the end

00:58:912 (1) - similar example, this slider starts on a weak note (and a red tick) and ends on a 2/1 clap, which is counterintuitive and makes map and song rhythm clash unneccessarily

01:01:055 (3) - similar, but not as severe - you basically just turn the 3*1/4 pattern into 2*1/2 here, which is not too nice, but it doesn't have too much an impact when compared to the other examples; what you need to be aware of is, however, that you are obscuring the clicking rhythm versus the actual song's rhythm, which can be tricky to handle properly and is generally discouraged

00:31:698 - this is pretty clear; you have a clap here, which is the strongest hitsounds of these sections, yet you have no active player input (read: click) associated with it at the time. just using circles would fit better with the claps (and the drums that they are based on)



Pressure Delivery and Beat Intensity



In some parts of the map, you use sub-optimal spacing and/or angling on important beats, hence not actually delivery a lot of gameplay impact on what is a strong beat and/or hitsound in the song, and therefore should also be more present as such in the map.


A few examples here:

00:18:626 (3,5) - this is a pretty good example of how to emphasize important and stand-out beats - you have a calm section that is mostly sliderbased, and then you switch into having a triple click with a back and forth-swaying jump. the important part is that on both claps, you have an actual player input (click) happening, which aligns the hitsounding rhythm with the gameplay much more pleasantly and fitting, though it'd be more optimal if 3 had a stronger angle going from 2, since that'd cause a more active turn and player motion towards the first clap of the pattern

00:20:769 (10,1) - here you have two strong beats, yet you stack them on top of each other - that's the opposite of what you did before, and what worked perfectly fine; in this scenario, you have two strong beats, and not only that, you also have the new combo starting on the second of them, so losing out on the minijump and snap onto 1 actually costs you a fair bit of emphasis here. optimally, I'd suggest a turn to the bottom left (around 429|240) in order to get both a snapjump and slightly increased spacing into the new combo. works well.



Beat Patterning



Pretty much explained in the introductory part - if the song's rhythm goes in a pattern of X, you should attempt to follow this rather than making up rhythm or pattern Y.


Examples:

00:30:841 (9) - due to the fact that there is a strong beat on the red tick of this slider (00:31:055), it makes more sense to split it up into two kicksliders, each either 4/8 or 3/8, if you want to be more lenient. having the click on the red tick will definitely help with rhythm emphasis and align playing and song rhythm a lot more here. you actually do this later on, so doing it here would only make sense for consistency's sake.

00:33:412 (4,5,6,7,8) - this doesn't work. firstly, there is a double piano sound here, covered by both the start and end of 4, which (as elaborated in the rhythm conflicts section) isn't too good for rhythm accuracy and emphasis. then, secondly, 5 is overmapped - there is nothing there to put a beat on. now, 5-6-7-8 don't make a whole lot of sense as a pattern to begin with, considering you reuse one triangle point, which you should rarely ever do (point being that if you do, you are probably mapping a pattern of four, for which a square would be much more fitting - if you want to stick to geometrical shapes anyway; back and forths are a valid option) - however, due to the fact of 5 being overmapped, this doesn't matter. 6-7-8-1 are fine like this, though.


Again, I don't dislike this map (it's actually really fun to DT, with EZ and without), but I'd like to see it in a more refined state to actually realize more of the song's (and map's) potential - if you have any questions or need further explanation or examples, feel free to PM me as stated in the start.

Also, on a personal note, I'd like to see the AR to be somewhere between 7.8-8.2 as I don't feel like ARs above that really fit the soft tone and pace of the song too much, and it makes DTing more pleasant to non-AR10 players.
Topic Starter
Neil Watts
Alright, thanks based Jenny. :)

I started to answer to every item you pointed out, but I noticed I was writing almost the same thing everytime, so I'm just gonna leave a global answer.

I suppose I'm far from the pro level in mapping you are, sometimes I think what you pointed out is useless or insignificant, sometimes I just don't understand what's wrong. ex. here:

hitvolume tweaking (sliderends should have lower volume than their starts, as they do not represent strong player input, and this makes for a more clear alignment of playing and hitsounding rhythm, helping to make the map more intuitive. a general rule of thumb is to reduce a sliderend's hitvolume by around a third to half the volume of the start, in order to fit it more into the background)
As you wrote, it looks like I would have to place a green timing point on every slider... Well, I suppose I'm still too noob in mapping to understand that, and it seems that 99% of the recently ranked maps are doing exactly the same (the remaining 1% is Cry Thunder, and maybe some mappers who got inspired by your mapping style).

Anyway, I know your mapping style is very advanced and professional and mine looks like shit compared to yours, but I'm sorry, I like how is currently my map and I don't feel like editing it again. What you pointed out looks like "how to change this map to make it looking like a Jenny map", and it's still interesting to read, but it doesn't improve (significantly enough, at least) the map in my point of view.

Sorry, and thanks anyway for the long mod :)
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