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ON/OFF - Rinne-Rondo (TV Size)

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Clare
530 posts
Joined October 2009
Clare
hihi~
i find two ON/OFF - Rinne-Rondo (TV Size) in pending maps OTL,you'd check it,ask BATdelete it :D
check all kiai line is not in the note

[Easy]
00:36:438 (1) - this spin begin in 00:36:196? end 00:38:131

[Normal]
00:12:970 (T) - this line before note
00:20:228 (X) - add note?
00:36:438 (1) - this spin begin in 00:36:196? end 00:38:131
00:41:519 (3) - begin in 00:41:277 ? end 00:43:696

[Hard]
00:01:357 (T) - use first red line,and delete this green line
00:09:583 (T) - this line before note
00:16:851 (T) - delete this line? didn't use
00:21:448 (T) - ^
00:22:648 (T) - ^
00:38:131 (1) - it's 1/3
01:10:551 (8) - new combo? but i think change slider is better

[Armin's Insane]
fine :D
nice diff!

good job!
star!
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
fartownik
2,189 posts
Joined December 2008
fartownik
The timing feels off, get someone to check it.

Make kiai time the same on all diffs.

[Armin]

01:16:962 (1,1) - Unrankable spinners (less than 2000~ on auto).

[Hard]

00:02:164 (3,4) - Inconsistent spacing.
00:38:131 (1,2,3) - Spacing. Also this part sounds weird, please remap it.

[Normal]

01:23:615 (2,3) - Spacing.
01:23:857 (3) - This slider should be made in 1/3 too. Please edit it with 1/3 snap divisor and move its start point to 01:23:938.

[Easy]

Slider tick 2 sounds odd. Decrease it to 1.

00:38:857 (1) - Sounds better moved 1/2 back. Also add a circle here 00:39:099 for the consistency.
00:43:696 - Why is here a break? There's not any in previous diffs. Map this part.
00:50:228 (2,3) - Spacing.

+star
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks you Beuchi, for a mod IRC.
And thanks for your star ~
Licnect
Elite Mapper
367 posts
Joined May 2010
Licnect
☆ :)
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks Licnect for your star.
lepidopodus
3,548 posts
Joined November 2009
lepidopodus
Basically mines are all suggestions, as I'm not good at modding...
(grid = tiny grid if I didn't mention it.)

Easy
00:05:228 (3) - move slider end 1 grid down, then move entire slider to 1 grid left?
00:10:067 (1) - kinda lots of slider returns, how about split this?
00:12:970 (2) - ^
00:12:970 (T) - You should put this uninherited section slightly faster than the note, cause if you hit the slider slighty earlier, the sound effect does not take effect if you put the section like this.
00:16:841 (1) - move middle of the slider 2 grid left?
00:18:293 (3) - how about make this slider like this?
SPOILER
00:20:712 (1) - move 1 grid left?
00:24:583 (1) - move both points of the middle of the slider to 1 grid right?
00:27:970 (2) - make the slider one beat long?
00:29:422 (2) - move middle & end of the slider 1 grid up, and remove whistle from slider body?
00:39:583 (3) - I think you can adjust the slider looks better...
00:41:519 (4) - ^, and adjust spacing?
00:57:970 (2) - make it linear to make more readable?
01:13:938 (3,4,5) - I think this part is confusing for begginners. how about adjust placing of the notes?
01:24:583 (3) - same as 00:05:228 (3).

Normal
00:05:228 (1) - how about make this symmetric?
00:10:067 (4,5) - maybe linear slider would be better
00:11:519 (1) - move slider end 1 grid down?
00:18:535 (4) - try to make this have better shape
00:20:228 (6) - move slider end 1 grid down?
00:27:244 (6,1) - how about.... this?
SPOILER
00:33:172 (x) - add a note here?
00:33:293 (6) - and move to 00:33:414, and make 3/4 beat long?
00:42:244 (6) - how about... this?
SPOILER
....ok, I'll make double post because of attachment limit.


lepidopodus
3,548 posts
Joined November 2009
lepidopodus
continue modding....

00:51:196 (3) - how about like this?
SPOILER
...or somewhat better than this.
01:00:873 (1) - I don't think this looks good, how about adjusting this?
01:02:567 (4) - ^
01:04:744 (1) - remove clap from start & end of slider
01:06:922 (4) - move this to 01:07:164, and make it a beat long?
01:14:422 (1,2,3) - uh... note placement seems not that good. think about adjusting this.

Hard
00:01:357 (1) - make this linear?
00:02:809 (5) - ^
00:03:938 (3,4,5,6) - hmm.. how about adjusting these symestric?
00:05:712 (2) - hmm... I'm not sure, but we should consider spacing here...
00:17:083 (2) - remove whistle?
00:17:567 (4) - remove whistle from the end of the slider?
00:18:777 (8) - ^
00:29:906 (1,2) - replace to finish?
00:30:873 (3) - remove finish?
00:38:777 (1,2,3) - I think 1/3 doesn't make sense....
01:15:510 (3) - make this similar to 01:15:148 (2)?
01:18:535 (8) - how about linear slider?
01:20:712 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - adjust like this?
SPOILER
...or something better than this. I don't think even this one isn't that good. try to adjust to pentagon shape.

Armin's Insane
NICE
00:32:325 (6) - replace to clap in the end of the slider?
01:14:906 (1) - replace to finish?
01:15:994 (8) - clap?
01:20:470 (1) - lower the volume here?

Ok, I'll star.

Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Azure_Kite
osu! Alumni
3,217 posts
Joined February 2009
Azure_Kite
Here's my mod. Hope it helps

Blue = Suggestion Red = Check this

[Easy]
00:12:970 (5) - move the timing section here back 1/4 note so that if the player clicks early the soft hitsound will still be heard on the beginning.
00:49:260 (1) - Same problem here. It'll be better to make a new timing section 1/4 earlier with soft hitsounds than to move the kiai one back 1/4. I also noticed this timing section is 10ms ahead of the timing. make it 49,260 instead of 49,270.
00:57:002 (1) - Change the offset of this timing section from 57,012 to 57,002.
01:05:228 (1) - Same thing here. Subtract 10 from the current offset.
01:10:067 (1) - Respace this.

It's an easy. Good job.

[Normal]
I'm just going to tell you to move timing sections back 1/4 if they start ON a note and change the hitsounds in any way. This applies to all diffs.

I can't say there's too many technical problems here.

[Hard]
Same Timing suggestions here
01:21:519 - Note here?

Not many here, either.

[Armin's Insane]
Absolutely fantastic.

The maps are sound, really timing sections were all I could suggest you improve. Have a star for your efforts.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks you.

Fixed.
Sure
4,220 posts
Joined February 2009
Sure
[Easy]
00:06:922 (1) - start at 00:07:164
00:49:260 - start kiai time at here
00:50:551 (3) - start at blue tick(00:50:591) and adjust slider length
00:51:680 (5) - end at blue tick(00:52:527)
01:08:615 (4) - new combo
01:10:067 (1) - remove new combo
01:26:035 (1) - finish


[Normal]
01:23:938 (3) - no return. just end at 01:24:260
01:24:906 (1) - start at 01:24:583 and set finish hitsound
01:24:583 - start kiai time at here


[Hard]
00:33:051 (1) - spacing


[Armin]
Fine!


I think your map needs more modding.
Good luck!
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks you yk.

Fixed.
Last edited by Yuji Tokaji , edited 1 time in total.
Mok
1,226 posts
Joined August 2009
Mok
Updated Mod's Info:
Mine are all suggestions. You're free to follow or not this mod :3
If I found a beat who must be added, i'll write it.
Remember to check spacing after all modfies :3
If my mod was helpful, feed me with kudosu.

[Hard]
00:02:002 (2) - Spacing.

<3
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Mafiamaster
osu! Alumni
3,460 posts
Joined July 2008
Mafiamaster
[Easy]
00:50:591 (3) - Don't follow the vocals here. It looks too much like it would've been a 1/2 tick that goes along with 1 and 2.
00:51:680 (5) - Extend to the blue tick at 00:52:527.

[Hard]
This has a different playfield background color than the others. (The others being the default color)
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks Mafiamaster.

Fixed.
Mafiamaster
osu! Alumni
3,460 posts
Joined July 2008
Mafiamaster
Bubbled.
Tatsuo
575 posts
Joined January 2009
Tatsuo
A bubbled beatmap :o
I'm not gonna mod this xD
Go find another BAT~
yaya
osu! Alumni
1,164 posts
Joined November 2008
yaya
[Hard]
00:01:357 (1,4) - i prefer use 1/3 beat
00:38:131 (5,1,2,3) - bad rhythm
some spinners are bad imo.
00:21:357 (1) -
00:28:212 (1) -
etc.
it's better to use something else
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
yaya
osu! Alumni
1,164 posts
Joined November 2008
yaya
[Hard]
00:28:293 (1) - bad
00:38:131 (5,1,2,3,4,5) -
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Saten ruiko
196 posts
Joined November 2009
Saten ruiko
I'm sorry to have kept you waiting. I was sleeping last night :o , and I just notice what you said in the morning...Then I checked your map. Good map, and here's my mod.
[Hard]
00:08:615 (1,3) - clap
00:26:760 (7) - use whistle instead?
00:27:728 (9) - add a repeat
00:29:422 (4) - newcombo, clap
00:29:906 (1) - remove newcombo
I'm not a pro modder, hope my mod can help you.
nice map ~ star~
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
yaya
osu! Alumni
1,164 posts
Joined November 2008
yaya
not bad
Irato
6 posts
Joined August 2009
Irato
Nice song and map suits perfect :D
Have a star !
Kii-Sakurada
49 posts
Joined February 2010
Kii-Sakurada
love this song, i suggest making the numbers of the skin a little more elegant like an italic font or stg, star for you :3
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.
Shinxyn
osu! Alumni
1,179 posts
Joined June 2008
Shinxyn
Pop!

Easy-
waaay too many 1/2 notes, it breaks the Easy feel of the map...

Normal-
00:10:067 (4,5) - slider ends are not snapped!

Hard-
00:01:357 (1) - this is supposed to be a 1/3 slider!!
00:28:454 (1) - shouldn't this be 1/4? (if you're following vocal)
00:38:131 (5,1,2) - 5 sounds like its 1/3, and 1,2 is 1/4!

Armin's-
For some reason.. the hitsounds sounded really... "sharp" to me.. too loud maybe?

@_@ why'd you pick such an oddly paced vocal song! D:! I had a hard time telling the timing... there were 1/3 and 1/4 notes @_@;
Not sure about rebubbling this tbh, could use a bit more work in some parts :x
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Shinxyn
osu! Alumni
1,179 posts
Joined June 2008
Shinxyn
Quick recheck-

Easy is better now, but please double check the spacing
Normal is okay now
Hard... like I said, try matching 00:49:986 (2,3,4)'s pattern more (during the kiai)... note note doublenote note doublenote (0 0 00 0 00 with claps on the bold notes) >_< not good at explaining like this, and the rest of the maps okay... kinda plain since its almost all 1/2 notes though
Armin's... volume is a bit better, but... the claps irk me... they don't fit well T_T

>_< since you changed your patterns a bit, ask for more mods please?~
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Shinxyn
osu! Alumni
1,179 posts
Joined June 2008
Shinxyn
After a few more irc re-checks...

Still could improve a bit, but its a lot better than it was before...
Rebubbling~
Armin
osu! Alumni
2,454 posts
Joined May 2009
Armin
Why did you remove the custom-hitsound in my diff D:
That sfot-clap sound very bad...
Shinxyn
osu! Alumni
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Shinxyn

Armin wrote:

Why did you remove the custom-hitsound in my diff D:
That sfot-clap sound very bad...
O.o there were custom claps? huh...
And yes, I did think the claps sounded bad, but it seemed on purpose, so left it like that.... hmm, tell me if you pop this for the custom hitsound fix
Gens
osu! Alumni
3,485 posts
Joined August 2008
Gens
Well, it does seem weird that Armin's difficulty has Custom Sampleset 2 enabled and there are no hitsounds in the folder.

[General]
  1. You need an approachcircle in the folder too. Might want to add the default one.
  2. Don't you think you're using a bit too much Kiai? It would be better if you removed some. Personally, I only see 01:04:744 - 01:20:228 fit for Kiai.
[Timing]
  1. Use 1,357ms for the offset.
[Easy]

01:20:712 (1,2,3) - Flip this horizontally? So it's, you know, not exactly the same as the beginning. Doesn't matter that much anyway. =[

[Normal]

00:10:551 (5,6) - Not stacked correctly.
00:22:890 (1) - This spinner feels a bit short.

~ ~ ~

Overall, the map feels very cramped up. Lacks distinctive patterns and hitsounds... you should get more modding before ranking, or if you're more experienced now remap this with different slider velocities and Distance snap multiplier between difficulties. Seriously, how come [Normal] has a higher slider velocity than [Hard]? =[

Also, try to avoid using too many spinners and going out of rhythm. Some of the spinners felt unnecessary, but that might be just me...

I'm not complaining about Armin's difficulty. As usual, I love it.

By the way, don't rage at me for popping it. Remember that ranking is not everything in your osu! life, and quality comes before ranking.
So... that's what I have to say.

EDIT: Forgot, you could also make the hitsounds consistent between difficulties.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Okay, Thanks.
Armin
osu! Alumni
2,454 posts
Joined May 2009
Armin
Okay, offset fixed, also:

fartownik wrote:

The timing feels off, get someone to check it.

Make kiai time the same on all diffs.

[Armin]

01:16:962 (1,1) - Unrankable spinners (less than 2000~ on auto).


Since they seem rankable, I restored them. ><

Download: ONOFF - Rinne-Rondo (TV Size) (Slanox) [Armin's Insane].osu
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Okay, done.

All fixed.
Gens
osu! Alumni
3,485 posts
Joined August 2008
Gens
I must say some stuff looks much better. However, I still have some problems with the current difficulties. I will point them out all to be more clear.
I have colored my personal opinions differently.

[All Difficulties]
  1. Use the claps more... synced with the beat, perhaps? Every second white tick seems to be a good guideline.
  2. I really suggest you to use more Normal finishes. They can fit pretty well on spinners, as a general idea.
[Easy]
  1. Hm, you could try to make the sliders more symmetrical so the map looks better.
00:27:970 (2) - A slider tick in a strong beat (largest white tick) doesn't seem fitting most of the time.
00:43:453 (1) - Practically the same as above.
00:45:873 (1,1) - There's a pretty short time to recover after the spinner... you could increase it.
00:50:712 (2) - Maybe change it for something more fitting...?
01:03:293 (1) - A bit short for an Easy difficulty.
01:16:357 (1,1) - Short time to recover after the spinner...
01:20:712 (1,2,3) - Not flipping it vertically?

[Normal]

00:01:357 (1,2) - This doesn't follow the lyrics, while 00:03:292 (3,4,5) seem to follow them more. Change them.
00:17:203 (2) - This doesn't seem to follow the lyrics either.
00:20:227 (1) - Any reason for the new combo?
00:22:647 (1) - Not a good place to put a spinner... it fits but it doesn't play that well.
00:41:276 (4,5,6,7) - The rhythm seems to 'dissapear' around these parts; I wouldn't advise you to copy paste this from before.
00:45:390 (1,1) - Why not merge the two spinners?
00:59:663 (2) - Doesn't seem to fit that much. I'd advise you to extend it by 1/2.
01:01:598 (2) - Doesn't seem to fit either.
01:03:534 (5) - Having more than one repeat in a short slider is a bad (or not-good) mapping technique... it's best to stop using them from the start.
01:06:195 - A beat seems to be missing here.
01:08:131 - Same as above.
01:09:341 (2) - Doesn't fit either.
01:10:793 (1) - Same as the other spinner... I think it fits but doesn't play well. Generally, I wouldn't put spinners like that in a Normal.
01:17:567 (4) - You could split this into three beats.
01:19:019 (1) - Yeah. Another spinner.

[Hard]
  1. This map doesn't seem to go much to 1/4 divisor, thus the beatmap feels a bit dull. Why not try to follow something more than the rhythm?
  2. Also, assuming you use distance snap, why not try to increase the multiplier? Feels clustered in general.
00:01:357 (1 and so on) - Maybe try a more solid pattern? Here's an example: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18850 (decreased OD for all the sliders to be visible)
01:11:277 (1) - This spinner feels a bit forced in the difficulty.

~ ~ ~

I always encourage the use of patterns like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/18851 ; that's essentially where the creativity in beatmapping comes in. Why not give it a try?
Oh, and also, another tip: generally, if you want your sliders to look prettier, use less waypoints (unless you're pro).

That's it for now.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Okay, thanks.

Fixed.
Gens
osu! Alumni
3,485 posts
Joined August 2008
Gens
[Easy]

00:49:260 (1) - There should be a beat at 00:49:744, not a tick...
01:08:615 (1) - Like above, but at 01:09:098.

[Normal]

00:03:292 (1,2) - Weird spacing change.

[Hard]

00:12:486 (8) - Removing one repeat would help for the impact at 00:12:969.

I love how many things were ignored. You just want another ranked map, am I right? That's the wrong way, man. =[
Anyway, the map looks a bit better now.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks.

Fixed.
Cyril Scarlet
osu! Alumni
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Cyril Scarlet
ヾ(●´▽｀●)ﾉ彡
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Thanks for your star ^^
Gens
osu! Alumni
3,485 posts
Joined August 2008
Gens

Gens wrote:

[Normal]

00:03:292 (1,2) - Weird spacing change.
With this, I meant the red combo, not the white one...
Also, I really (REALLY) recommend you do the change at 00:01:357 (1) in [Hard]. The actual placement doesn't matter, as long as they're only sliders with a repeat. I hope you get what you mean. It plays and looks really awkward right now.
Last edited by Gens , edited 1 time in total.
Yuji Tokaji
776 posts
Joined March 2009
Topic Starter
Yuji Tokaji
Fixed.
Gens
osu! Alumni
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Gens
I guess I can't really force my suggestions in others' beatmaps. Just keep it in mind when making your next beatmap. =L

Anyway... rebubble. I'm sure you've been waiting for that all this time.
Andrea
Beatmap Nominator
16,650 posts
Joined August 2008
Andrea
[Overall]

Add an "approachcircle.png" and full submit. I know on my map there isn't but this doesn't mean you shouldn't add it.

[Difficulties]

[Armin's Insane]

00:10:913 (1) ~ 00:14:663 (11) - As I said already long time ago to Armin, why only this section has a different spacing from the others? Looks bad to me, use the same spacing here too please.

I'll rank after you fix.

EDIT: Ranked~
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