2015-04-14 20:02 pkk: hey there, it's good to see that you're taking an interest in mapping
2015-04-14 20:02 Fell92: Thank you
2015-04-14 20:02 pkk: currently your song is incorrectly timed so i'll fix it for you lol
2015-04-14 20:02 Fell92: Oh lol
2015-04-14 20:02 Fell92: Well all i learnt
2015-04-14 20:02 Fell92: is from youtube, and osu guides
2015-04-14 20:02 Fell92: no help yet
2015-04-14 20:03 Fell92: are u changing on the bpm or?
2015-04-14 20:03 pkk: yea BPM should be 174, you were close
2015-04-14 20:03 Fell92: ohh ok
2015-04-14 20:03 pkk: going to change offset though
2015-04-14 20:03 Fell92: but dont u think that the beatmap will be like..
2015-04-14 20:03 Fell92: totally fked up
2015-04-14 20:03 Fell92: if u change the bpm xD?
2015-04-14 20:03 pkk: LOL
2015-04-14 20:03 pkk: yea you'd have to manually resnap everything afterwards
2015-04-14 20:03 pkk: which is why you have to make sure timing is right before you start
2015-04-14 20:04 Fell92: aww :-(
2015-04-14 20:04 Fell92: alright
2015-04-14 20:04 Fell92: but backwards or forwards? lol
2015-04-14 20:04 Fell92: sorry for these noobie questions
2015-04-14 20:04 pkk: what do you mean by backwards/forwards
2015-04-14 20:04 Fell92: like you just said, re-snap
2015-04-14 20:05 Fell92: idk how to explain
2015-04-14 20:05 pkk: it depends on what beat your notes should land on
2015-04-14 20:06 Fell92: How do you know that the bpm is 174 btw?
2015-04-14 20:06 Fell92: I just tapped tbh xD
2015-04-14 20:06 Fell92: and got up to 175
2015-04-14 20:06 pkk: alright so usually when you think you got the bpm, skip to some parts into the song
2015-04-14 20:07 pkk: if your bpm is off usually your timing will eventually be off from the rhythm
2015-04-14 20:07 Fell92: oh
2015-04-14 20:07 Fell92: i see
2015-04-14 20:07 pkk: ok I have your new offset, go into timing setup panel and change BPM to 174, offset to 5805
2015-04-14 20:08 pkk: since you changed BPM, your sliders / notes will become unsnapped so now you should go through the map and drag notes to where they're supposed to be
2015-04-14 20:09 Fell92: im going through the song after the bpm and offset changes
2015-04-14 20:09 Fell92: it sounds exactly the same
2015-04-14 20:10 pkk: LOL
2015-04-14 20:10 Fell92: i swear
2015-04-14 20:10 Fell92: exactly same
2015-04-14 20:10 pkk: not quite
2015-04-14 20:10 pkk: if you had used 175 bpm, each beat would not have landed on the white ticks
2015-04-14 20:11 pkk: since you're using 174 which is correct, when you tap to the music, you'd end up tapping to the white ticks
2015-04-14 20:11 pkk: since the white ticks represent beats
2015-04-14 20:11 Fell92: i see
2015-04-14 20:11 Fell92: but can i just
2015-04-14 20:11 Fell92: highlight it all
2015-04-14 20:11 Fell92: and just drag it a lil bit to the side?
2015-04-14 20:11 pkk: this would only work if you changed only offset
2015-04-14 20:12 Fell92: hmm
2015-04-14 20:12 pkk: since you lowered BPM, objects would be closer/further apart from each other
2015-04-14 20:12 Fell92: what do you suggest me to do?
2015-04-14 20:12 pkk: manually go through the song on the timeline and drag objects to where you think they should be
2015-04-14 20:12 pkk: only way to fix it lol
2015-04-14 20:12 Fell92: so basically
2015-04-14 20:12 Fell92: playing with the bpm
2015-04-14 20:12 Fell92: changes where i put the notes?
2015-04-14 20:13 pkk: yea
2015-04-14 20:13 Fell92: or did i misunderstand xD
2015-04-14 20:13 Fell92: oh
2015-04-14 20:13 Fell92: but the timing sounds exactly the same tho ;o
2015-04-14 20:13 pkk: ok try setting bpm to 175 for now
2015-04-14 20:13 Fell92: alright
2015-04-14 20:13 pkk: now go to here 1. Offset: 5,805ms BPM: 174.00
2015-04-14 20:13 pkk: oops, i meant 00:51:493 -
2015-04-14 20:14 pkk: notice how the metronome doesn't 'tap' in time with the beat
2015-04-14 20:14 pkk: change it back to 174 and you should see it lines up
2015-04-14 20:15 Fell92: you're right.
2015-04-14 20:15 Fell92: i saw the difference now
2015-04-14 20:15 Fell92: :p
2015-04-14 20:16 pkk: xD
2015-04-14 20:16 Fell92: do you see any potential in this bm xD?
2015-04-14 20:16 Fell92: or is it another thrash xD
2015-04-14 20:17 pkk: the reality is, everyone's first map is trash
2015-04-14 20:17 pkk: mine was pretty bad
2015-04-14 20:17 Fell92: true, but thats because they don't read right :p
2015-04-14 20:18 Fell92: i read about it for like a week
2015-04-14 20:18 Fell92: before i even just started
2015-04-14 20:18 pkk: LOL
2015-04-14 20:18 Fell92: yea xD
2015-04-14 20:18 Fell92: trying to learn everything :p
2015-04-14 20:18 pkk: well I think mapping is one of those things where you should just practice a lot
2015-04-14 20:18 Fell92: yeah definitely
2015-04-14 20:19 pkk: you can look at ranked maps to see how other people map and stuff
2015-04-14 20:19 Fell92: yeh ive looked at like least 20 of them
2015-04-14 20:19 Fell92: its pretty amazing
2015-04-14 20:20 pkk: it really depends which ones you look at since different songs can be mapped differently, in addition to mapping 'evolving' over the years
2015-04-14 20:20 Fell92: well that's true, i just chose something that has a rhytm and something that sounds nice
2015-04-14 20:21 Fell92: I have a question btw.
2015-04-14 20:21 pkk: ok
2015-04-14 20:21 Fell92: In order to actually get your map ranked, i heard you need some kudosu or something?
2015-04-14 20:22 Fell92: Current Priority: +0 (1211 maps higher on the list)
2015-04-14 20:22 Fell92: like..
2015-04-14 20:22 Fell92: thats just sick
2015-04-14 20:22 pkk: well you shouldn't worry about any of that now since you have a long way to go
2015-04-14 20:22 pkk: do you know what modding is?
2015-04-14 20:22 Fell92: well that has alot of meanings tbh xD
2015-04-14 20:22 Fell92: but in what subject?
2015-04-14 20:23 pkk: on osu
2015-04-14 20:23 Fell92: modding a beatmap?
2015-04-14 20:23 pkk: ye
2015-04-14 20:23 Fell92: I do, i think
2015-04-14 20:23 pkk: yea you basically give suggestions on a map
2015-04-14 20:23 pkk: so the mapper can improve it
2015-04-14 20:23 Fell92: Oh right,
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: Well, I've gotten none
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: lol
2015-04-14 20:24 pkk: anyways when you mod someone's map and post on the forums, the mapper gives that person one kudosu
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: Ohhh
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: I see.
2015-04-14 20:24 pkk: then the modder can use that kudosu to shoot at maps to increase the star priority
2015-04-14 20:24 pkk: by default when you give someone kudosu (i.e. when someone mods your map) your star priority for that map goes up 1
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: That explains it.
2015-04-14 20:24 Fell92: So i need like 1200 stars
2015-04-14 20:25 Fell92: LOL
2015-04-14 20:25 pkk: LOL no fk that
2015-04-14 20:25 pkk: technically you only need 12 for it to become rankable
2015-04-14 20:25 Fell92: I see.
2015-04-14 20:25 Fell92: Do you have any ideas/suggestions on how to improve this beatmap allthough?
2015-04-14 20:26 pkk: kind of hard right now since timing is messed up lol
2015-04-14 20:26 Fell92: damn
2015-04-14 20:26 pkk: but one thing i should point out is spacing
2015-04-14 20:27 pkk: 01:28:371 (1,2,3) -
2015-04-14 20:27 pkk: 01:25:804 (2,3,4,5,6) -
2015-04-14 20:27 pkk: stuff like this where you have varying spacing, you usually want a good reason to use different spacing
2015-04-14 20:27 Fell92: spacing as in where i put the notes?
2015-04-14 20:27 Fell92: like use more room?
2015-04-14 20:27 pkk: yea the space between notes
2015-04-14 20:27 Fell92: you want the size to be bigger right
2015-04-14 20:27 pkk: since you're just starting out, I suggest you have distance snap on
2015-04-14 20:28 pkk: no I mean your spacing should be somewhat consistent
2015-04-14 20:28 Fell92: well tbh, im starting to figure out the whole system, but about that "grid snap" thing... idk, its just weird
2015-04-14 20:28 pkk: oh you don't need grid snap at all
2015-04-14 20:28 Fell92: I mean distance snap
2015-04-14 20:28 pkk: oh
2015-04-14 20:28 pkk: do you know why spacing is important
2015-04-14 20:29 Fell92: No idea :p
2015-04-14 20:29 pkk: LOL ok give me a sec
2015-04-14 20:29 pkk: [http://i.gyazo.com/981258915f42cc9a4af8b71d1433bbdb.png ok look at these four notes]
2015-04-14 20:30 Fell92: yep
2015-04-14 20:30 pkk: if you were playing the map, you'd probably expect them to be the same time apart
2015-04-14 20:30 pkk: so lets say all these notes happen in one measure (four beats in a measure), you'd assume they are 1 beat apart from each other
2015-04-14 20:30 pkk: BUT what if they actually weren't? let's say there's 0.5 seconds between each note, but between notes (3) and (4) there was actually a whole second
2015-04-14 20:30 Fell92: yes sir
2015-04-14 20:31 pkk: it'd be very hard to tell since they're spaced equally
2015-04-14 20:31 Fell92: like.. to fit in with the song, i understand
2015-04-14 20:31 pkk: it's like tricking the player
2015-04-14 20:31 Fell92: the only reason i would actually do that is to make the clicks fit in with the rhytm of the beat tbh
2015-04-14 20:32 pkk: anyways spacing is a tricky thing to master
2015-04-14 20:32 Fell92: yeah kind of xD
2015-04-14 20:32 pkk: but try not to have too much variation in spacing
2015-04-14 20:33 pkk:
http://i.gyazo.com/c4c821c3b97cff794c3879af3751c750.png2015-04-14 20:33 pkk: lets say the top two notes are 1 second apart, and the bottom is the same
2015-04-14 20:33 pkk: usually you'd want to avoid using both in the same part because the spacing is so different
2015-04-14 20:34 Fell92: i see
2015-04-14 20:34 Fell92: haha ive been trying to improvize with the notes tbh xD
2015-04-14 20:34 Fell92: trying to make it look cool haha
2015-04-14 20:34 pkk: LOL, don't worry too much about the 'rules' of mapping and stuff
2015-04-14 20:35 Fell92: really?
2015-04-14 20:35 Fell92: ive been trying to follow them, but.. at some point
2015-04-14 20:35 pkk: like stuff that i said
2015-04-14 20:35 pkk: if it sounds overly complicated just ignore it and yolo
2015-04-14 20:35 Fell92: you just wanna do something that suits u xD
2015-04-14 20:36 Fell92: the thing is, i would love to go yolo
2015-04-14 20:36 Fell92: but..
2015-04-14 20:36 Fell92: i want the map to be played by others too
2015-04-14 20:36 Fell92: not just by me
2015-04-14 20:36 Fell92: thats why ill personally follow guidelines
2015-04-14 20:37 Fell92: i bet all these pros will go HD HR anyways..
2015-04-14 20:37 Fell92: lol
2015-04-14 20:37 pkk: well
2015-04-14 20:37 pkk: when you're just starting out try to get a feel for it
2015-04-14 20:37 pkk: then apply the rules later
2015-04-14 20:37 Fell92: owell :p
2015-04-14 20:38 Fell92: do you think theres something else btw?
2015-04-14 20:38 Fell92: that i need to improve with
2015-04-14 20:39 pkk: idk
2015-04-14 20:39 pkk: just map and map and map
2015-04-14 20:40 Fell92: idk what else to do tbh XD
2015-04-14 20:40 pkk: you can always map new songs
2015-04-14 20:40 pkk: or new genres of songs since rhythms are usually different
2015-04-14 20:40 Fell92: that's true, but i really really wanna finish up this one first
2015-04-14 20:40 Fell92: now since ive gotten this far
2015-04-14 20:41 pkk: oh yea your hitsounds are kinda loud
2015-04-14 20:41 Fell92: no idea how to edit that xD
2015-04-14 20:41 pkk: you almost never put hitsound volume at 100% in timing setup, usually around 60% depending on the song
2015-04-14 20:41 Fell92: o
2015-04-14 20:41 Fell92: timing setup.
2015-04-14 20:41 pkk: just press f6 to select your timing point, then go into the audio tab
2015-04-14 20:41 pkk: it's based off your timing points
2015-04-14 20:42 Fell92: also...
2015-04-14 20:42 Fell92: u know like
2015-04-14 20:42 Fell92: whenever i want a note to use whistle, finish or clap
2015-04-14 20:42 Fell92: the regular click sound comes along with it
2015-04-14 20:42 Fell92: how do i remove that
2015-04-14 20:43 pkk: when you add hitsounds, they're added in addition to the normal hit sound
2015-04-14 20:43 pkk: so if you add a clap, you'll hear the regular hit sound plus the clap
2015-04-14 20:43 Fell92: so thats not remove-able I think
2015-04-14 20:44 pkk: you can remove the normal hit sound by using custom hit sounds
2015-04-14 20:44 Fell92: Ah yeah, I read about that.
2015-04-14 20:44 Fell92: I bet there are sound packs at osu!'s webpage
2015-04-14 20:44 pkk: i just take them from random maps lmao
2015-04-14 20:45 Fell92: xD
2015-04-14 20:46 Fell92: What was grid snap again btw? Its always been on, like basically on every single note
2015-04-14 20:46 Fell92: Should i turn it off?
2015-04-14 20:46 pkk: yea turn it off
2015-04-14 20:46 pkk: basically it snaps your notes to certain positions since there's a grid
2015-04-14 20:47 pkk: it's really annoying when you want circles/sliders to be placed a specific way since it'll snap it to the grid
2015-04-14 20:47 Fell92: OHHH
2015-04-14 20:47 Fell92: Thank you so much
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: I appreciate it alot man, really
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: You've been so useful
2015-04-14 20:48 pkk: lol no problem
2015-04-14 20:48 pkk: if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: Since you helped me out atm, can I give you kudosu for that ?
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: or
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: xD
2015-04-14 20:48 pkk: well i'd have to post in the forum thread
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: ah
2015-04-14 20:48 Fell92: I see
2015-04-14 20:48 pkk: usually you need some sort of proof that people helped so i'll post the chat log there
2015-04-14 20:49 Fell92: Alright
