[added] Make Co-op mod in mania unrankable mod

PyaKura

Joined January 2013

PyaKura 2015-03-10T18:47:14+00:00

Blaizer wrote:
I still don't think that playing a song meant for one person is easier with two people. Each key does not have its own rhythm. People are not used to playing without a good sense of rhythm, so naturally it'll be harder. They can get used to it, but I doubt many people will try.

uuuh playing without sound is pretty doable for anyone used to the keys placement (which means anyone past the beginner stage).
Tbh I would even say that playing without sound might be beneficial in some cases, co-op wise.

lenpai

Beatmap Nominator

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Joined December 2014

lenpai 2015-03-11T14:50:05+00:00

Better just do this:
8k co-op will have two 8k windows with the same notes for both windows.
7k blah blah blah
Ditto for 6 and below.
Problem solved.

I'm pretty sure this will be a lot of work for the code though.

Ryu Sei

2,879 posts

Joined October 2013

Ryu Sei 2015-03-11T21:34:29+00:00

[ S a k u r a ] wrote:
It might be useful for you and you are playing by yourself, but someone else may take advantage of this mod and get a better score which is not fair to someone playing by their self.

~~So you're assuming that this mod isn't helpful for other user?~~

And---yah, as most users are saying this;

Co-Op mode encourages the bad behaviour

I'm agreeing to make Co-Op unrankable, but why we didn't make another "split-stage alike" config on osu!mania ? The current skinning method is hard for new skinners.

Redon wrote:
It's not hidden, it's documented
It's not an exploit, it's a feature
It's not for multiplaying, but for players to break up lanes into sections if they prefer reading it that way, and for more ways to customize skins

I'm agreeing and disagreeing the last line. If we reverse the sentence into this;

It's not for players to break up lanes into sections if they prefer reading it that way, and for more ways to customize skins, but for multiplaying

then I'm disagree. There are so many pros and cons on stage splitting mod, but think about this once again;
- Is multiplaying on one client needs a splitted stage?
- Are we actually needs to break up lanes to two stages, so we could keep it up which hand that hits a note?

PyaKura wrote:
Blaizer wrote:
I still don't think that playing a song meant for one person is easier with two people. Each key does not have its own rhythm. People are not used to playing without a good sense of rhythm, so naturally it'll be harder. They can get used to it, but I doubt many people will try.
uuuh playing without sound is pretty doable for anyone used to the keys placement (which means anyone past the beginner stage).
Tbh I would even say that playing without sound might be beneficial in some cases, co-op wise.

Playing without sound is very easy if you're used to remember the song.

Tanomoshii Nekojou

503 posts

Joined November 2010

Tanomoshii Nekojou 2015-03-13T05:05:58+00:00

UNRANKED MODE PLEASE. *frustration*

TomoAlien

13 posts

Joined January 2010

TomoAlien 2015-03-14T09:48:46+00:00

I guess renaming it to "Double Play" should do the trick. I use this feature only to have 2 lanes going as it improves readability in my case. Also, there are 2-lane levels for one player in StepMania and bemani ports, so why osu! shouldn't have those or have them banned from rankings?

This modifier is cosmetic for the most part, and the excuse of "But co-op is forbidden!", while true, doesn't make sense because you can still do it without the mod, and unranking it would only cause those who find having 2 lanes helpful (like me) to get discouraged from playing the game.

From what I know most people use it for the same purpose as I do: Two-handed play.

Anyways, i am AGAINST this decision. It's based only on the implication that the name of the modifier brings, which can be solved by renaming it to "Double Play", which has existed in BM98 and exists in StepMania too.

-Maus-

571 posts

Joined August 2013

-Maus- 2015-04-04T16:23:32+00:00

TomoAlien wrote:
From what I know most people use it for the same purpose as I do: Two-handed play.

Because without the mod you have to play single-handed right? xD

About the suggestion, this just has to be done.

TomoAlien

13 posts

Joined January 2010

TomoAlien 2015-04-05T00:54:24+00:00

Transformau5 wrote:
TomoAlien wrote:
From what I know most people use it for the same purpose as I do: Two-handed play.
Because without the mod you have to play single-handed right? xD

About the suggestion, this just has to be done.

I get my hands mixed up without it. I just feel more comfortable with one lane per hand. I'd rather have it just split the lanes instead of doubling he amount of lanes (It's annoying to have to set up 3k + co-op mod just to get 6k two-laner). Yeah maybe we should replace it with a cosmetic "split" mod and just have the key amount modifier go up to 18k or whatever is the limit. IMO that'd be nicer.

If having 2 lanes becomes bannable then I'm going back to Taiko.

-Maus-

571 posts

Joined August 2013

-Maus- 2015-04-05T14:48:59+00:00

>Mixing hands up on 4k
Aw shit, 8k players can't relate lol
Get a good skin that makes the lanes easier to distinguish or stuff

Eden333

61 posts

Joined June 2013

Eden333 2015-04-09T12:49:55+00:00

I would want that if you play with "Co-Op Mod" that your score should be ranked with 1.00x score BUT you should not get PP for it
like the same with "Half Time Mod"

Back in the days, it was the same
If you played a map with "Half Time" your score was Still low BUT you got the same amout of PP as you would get in "Full Time"

So i would say thats an idea

Edit: AND you should see when someone played with "Co-Op Mod" in the Ranking-list
Example:

PyaKura

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Joined January 2013

PyaKura 2015-04-10T10:51:12+00:00

Just rename the mod, problem solved. It's not like 2 or more players couldn't play on the a same keyboard before that was implemented...

LeiN-

452 posts

Joined December 2012

LeiN- 2015-04-11T15:51:03+00:00

It should be unrankable asap. Seriously, it's most stupid thing I ever seen in osu -_-

and some people saying playing cooperatively mania was available even it hasn't update co-op mod.

yes, it's theoretically possible. but It's much harder than w/ co-op mod(splitting lanes).
in other words, co-op mod is not the way as same as normal play. (even easier than normal)

more important thing is this mod encourage people to play co-play... It's against with the rule of account usage.

so plz don't make any bullshits more. it is already cheaty enough

abraker

Global Moderator

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Joined July 2014

abraker 2015-04-11T22:57:38+00:00

My belief was that the co-op mode for mania is still in development, seeing how the standard game mode received and no other game mode. Co-op should be a multilayer only thing, while the single player mod should just have the standard 10k -18k keymodes mod in single player.

Bottom line, I'm against making higher keymodes unranked and this mod created a wrong idea that people can play together in single player.

and this

PyaKura wrote:
Just rename the mod, problem solved. It's not like 2 or more players couldn't play on the a same keyboard before that was implemented...

Spy

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Joined November 2011

Spy 2015-04-12T10:29:11+00:00

I'm very surprising that how can it be rankable.
Since mania is just a single person's game.
Of course, if you mean like as Double Play in IIDX, I can accept it. But it should be independent. And it honestly such mod is not standard in formal mania games.
It should be fun only.
I mean, it should be UNRANKABLE.
Try to imagine there is a player coop with his/her friends to beat top players in 8K maps. It's very unfair.

JamesHappy

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Joined January 2014

JamesHappy 2015-04-12T11:19:33+00:00

LeiN-

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Joined December 2012

LeiN- 2015-04-12T16:39:13+00:00

JamesHappy15 wrote:

this is my record that played with co-op.

abraker

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abraker 2015-04-12T18:25:30+00:00

JamesHappy15 wrote:
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I hope it's disabled temporarily, at least make up to 12k rankable. Why such luck for this mod?

PyaKura

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Joined January 2013

PyaKura 2015-04-12T20:59:31+00:00

Spy wrote:
I'm very surprising that how can it be rankable.
Since mania is just a single person's game.
Of course, if you mean like as Double Play in IIDX, I can accept it. But it should be independent. And it honestly such mod is not standard in formal mania games.
It should be fun only.
I mean, it should be UNRANKABLE.
Try to imagine there is a player coop with his/her friends to beat top players in 8K maps. It's very unfair.

I misunderstood the purpose of this mod at first as well, thinking it was for encouraging players to play on a same PC, but it's merely an attempt at doing something similar to DP as you say. The issue here is how the mod has been named. DP was intended for "co-op" play at first, but people ended up single-playing with it. It should be the same here and I believe this is what smooogi (or whoever came up with it) wanted to do. I can't imagine someone from the staff implementing a mod which is against osu!'s ToS to begin with.

And I'll just repeat myself and what many others have said before me, it's not like people didn't do actual "Co-op" before this mod was implemented.

Renaming the thing should do the trick.

YunoFanatic

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Joined April 2013

YunoFanatic 2015-04-12T23:13:24+00:00

Beep boop fuck the mod.

As i read through out i might be agreeing no more less than pyakura,
Renaming this shit might be the solution.

TomoAlien

13 posts

Joined January 2010

TomoAlien 2015-04-17T20:06:36+00:00

*sigh* The worst solution was accepted, of course.

Gotta get used to it I guess. Thanks a lot