Am I the only one that feels this way?
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MATs are pretty useless.
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not really I support this
How would I clean my shoes when I enter osu! then, if there was no mat.
F is the best MAT manager EVER!!1
Change M to B would be better 
Imho, active BATs are not enough and can't keep up with the MATs.
That's why MATs may seem useless.
That's why MATs may seem useless.
I think there are too many MATs, and they're usually so lenient with protobubbles. I've seen so many protobubbled maps that have a lot of mod posts after the protobubble post... Imo this is what makes MATs useless.
[offtopic]I'm not even sure if they really pubbled a map or not
there's no logo or pic that says they've done so.[/offtopic]
I guess the number of BAT members should increase (not the MAT members) so that they could keep up with all these maps.
there's no logo or pic that says they've done so.[/offtopic]
I guess the number of BAT members should increase (not the MAT members) so that they could keep up with all these maps.
The number of active BATs has descreased, and from what I can tell hardly any of them are utilizing the protobub log. I think one of the main issues with MAT effectiveness is that we don't have forum integration so we can't give pubbles that users/BATs can see, thus giving them less of an impact. (I also think MATs should be able to pop bubbles)
A purple bubble logo next to the map's title would be cool. I also think that pubbled maps should be moved next to the bubbled maps. (In the Pending beatmaps forum) Not all high-priority maps have pubbles
I still don't know what MAT is supposed to be. It has no solid future in my eyes, to say the least. That said, things are changing soon so it's probably best to avoid this potential conflict. If you are going to continue this discussion please avoid starting a flame war and stay constructive.
hehehe, I <3 Modding, and i'm no MAT, wouldn't need it to do what i need to do
and IMO that's what made this thread useful. The OP was far more useless than anything else discussed in the thread, having made a statement with no justification behind it.Beuchi-chan wrote:
I've seen so many protobubbled maps that have a lot of mod posts after the protobubble post... Imo this is what makes MATs useless.
EEeee wrote:
hehehe, I <3 Modding, and i'm no MAT, wouldn't need it to do what i need to do
Topic Starter
This is how you start discussions/troll.awp wrote:
The OP was far more useless than anything else discussed in the thread, having made a statement with no justification behind it.
Like someone else has said, imo, The main reason why the MAT's seem useless is because the p-bubbles they give are not visible, because of how they are not integrated into the site, and instead are listed in a massive list, called the protobubble log. Of course, it seems that integrating them into the site is not an easy task, as well as it generally being low priority, so that likely won't change soon, so most people won't even know if a map has been protobubbled, which is why they seem useless.
tl;dr - imo, MAT's are not all that important currently.
tl;dr - imo, MAT's are not all that important currently.
Fixed.JarJarJacob wrote:
This is how you troll.awp wrote:
The OP was far more useless than anything else discussed in the thread, having made a statement with no justification behind it.
If you want to start a discussion, actually have some fucking justification behind it in the OP.
sometimes it takes a troll's message to get others to really talk about what needs to be done.
I mean WTF is the MAT. It really doesn't do anything, it's just a Gaint subfourm of meaningless waste, most of the pubbles I have looked at are to be popped and it's like they give them out like stars.
I mean WTF is the MAT. It really doesn't do anything, it's just a Gaint subfourm of meaningless waste, most of the pubbles I have looked at are to be popped and it's like they give them out like stars.
Topic Starter
Or I could provoke a response in a thread by forcing a direct message. At the moment, I really don't know what to think about the MAT. I'm seeing what the community has to say and that, I thought, was the best way of doing it.Mogsworth wrote:
If you want to start a discussion, actually have some fucking justification behind it in the OP.
Since MAT is something between mapper and BAT, don't expect perfect results. If you find a pubble that should be popped, just mod it and bubble it later, it's a proto-bubble after all. Too many guys are popping pubbles but don't take care of the map afterwards.ztrot wrote:
sometimes it takes a troll's message to get others to really talk about what needs to be done.
I mean WTF is the MAT. It really doesn't do anything, it's just a Gaint subfourm of meaningless waste, most of the pubbles I have looked at are to be popped and it's like they give them out like stars.
Well, at the end of the day, it worked.JarJarJacob wrote:
I'm seeing what the community has to say and that, I thought, was the best way of doing it.
I told you so 
I think the concept behind the MAT team is good: an experienced modder (MAT) gives map proto-bubbles to show the BAT team that someone who knows what they are talking about deems the map as quality. This in theory would make the BAT's lives easier since they would be able to focus on maps that have already passed through a quality assurance check, which means less modding and more bubbles/ranks.
Unfortunately, with the limited resources given to the MATs the execution of this system hasn't really flown.
Unfortunately, with the limited resources given to the MATs the execution of this system hasn't really flown.
most likely because the map is no where near bubble standardsDangaard wrote:
Since MAT is something between mapper and BAT, don't expect perfect results. If you find a pubble that should be popped, just mod it and bubble it later, it's a proto-bubble after all. Too many guys are popping pubbles but don't take care of the map afterwards.ztrot wrote:
sometimes it takes a troll's message to get others to really talk about what needs to be done.
I mean WTF is the MAT. It really doesn't do anything, it's just a Gaint subfourm of meaningless waste, most of the pubbles I have looked at are to be popped and it's like they give them out like stars.
Beuchi and 0_o pretty much summed up my opinion on this matter: There are too many MATs that are pubbling non-bubble-worthy maps; There is no visual impact for normal users.
This.Derekku Chan wrote:
Beuchi and 0_o pretty much summed up my opinion on this matter: There are too many MATs that are pubbling non-bubble-worthy maps; There is no visual impact for normal users.
Essentially, I feel like there should either be less MATs or more strict MATs, since if the maps being pubbled are not bubble-worthy , the problem lies with the MAT.
I left mat team because there's no use for anybody to be in it.
Awesome to see a topic about it now (:
Awesome to see a topic about it now (:
purple name is the new trend around here
oh, we have to mod?
dammit
I do see some potential for the MAT, but I can't deny there are faulty pubbles sometimes. Wasn't there any kind of penalty for MATs when a pubble is popped?
Also the visual icon etc., everything else has already been discussed.
oh, we have to mod?
dammit
I do see some potential for the MAT, but I can't deny there are faulty pubbles sometimes. Wasn't there any kind of penalty for MATs when a pubble is popped?
Also the visual icon etc., everything else has already been discussed.
btw this may not have been established but the MAT should be a resource for mapping, not just for getting shit ranked. If you have a mapping-related question that isn't answered in the FAQ, your first instinct should be to ask a MAT.
In retrospect when you think about it, the MAT are doing their job? They're modding a lot and providing good advice, right? Let's move forward with that assumption instead of doing research. If that's the case, it's a success. They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
People these days are all rank, rank, rank.
Though given how common pubbles are being distributed, I am also led to believe that MAT are overlooking common grievances.
In retrospect when you think about it, the MAT are doing their job? They're modding a lot and providing good advice, right? Let's move forward with that assumption instead of doing research. If that's the case, it's a success. They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
People these days are all rank, rank, rank.
Though given how common pubbles are being distributed, I am also led to believe that MAT are overlooking common grievances.
Topic Starter
I wasn't aware that the MAT were supposed to help people like that and I haven't seen other people approach them simply because they are MATs. Perhaps that should be made more clear somehow?
I agree that it's very ambiguous. I propose a change to the team name.JarJarJacob wrote:
I wasn't aware that the MAT were supposed to help people like that and I haven't seen other people approach them simply because they are MATs. Perhaps that should be made more clear somehow?
Topic Starter
Hey, no need to be like that, Derekku, because there's really nothing that the MAT does in that way that regular users don't.
I'd say the main thing is that "MATs can give potential bubbles" but obviously that's where the problem lies.JarJarJacob wrote:
there's really nothing that the MAT does in that way that regular users don't.
They help me a lot. I can't expect any help from BATs without a pubble ;_; Unless the map is good, but it happens rarelyJarJarJacob wrote:
Am I the only one that feels this way?
Shohei Ohtani
I think I might have mentioned the fact of MATs being a MAPPING ASSISTANCE TEAM in my MAT application, but I'm not sure ~.
Anyways, I'm personally fine with the MAT team, I just feel that we need to promote some of them to BATs, as I've seen a lot of people going "omg no bats i hatsune hat u ;~;~;~;"
But yes a symbol that showed pubbled maps would be really helpful ~.
Also, multiple pubbles would be nice. The star system can be abused like hell so crap maps can get high star rankings. Having multiple pubbles will be hard to abuse, as the people pubbling are actually experienced.
Anyways, I'm personally fine with the MAT team, I just feel that we need to promote some of them to BATs, as I've seen a lot of people going "omg no bats i hatsune hat u ;~;~;~;"
But yes a symbol that showed pubbled maps would be really helpful ~.
Also, multiple pubbles would be nice. The star system can be abused like hell so crap maps can get high star rankings. Having multiple pubbles will be hard to abuse, as the people pubbling are actually experienced.
awp wrote:
They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
So that means modders don't assist mappers?Zekira wrote:
awp wrote:
They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
Personally I think the Quality Assurance Team (QAT) would be more accurate than Mapping Assistance.
Zekira wrote:
awp wrote:
They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
I really agree with this, as the name implies MAT (Mapping Assistance Team) They are experienced modder that assist mapper with their map0_o wrote:
I think the concept behind the MAT team is good: an experienced modder (MAT) gives map proto-bubbles to show the BAT team that someone who knows what they are talking about deems the map as quality. This in theory would make the BAT's lives easier since they would be able to focus on maps that have already passed through a quality assurance check, which means less modding and more bubbles/ranks.
If the name change to Quality Assurance Team won't that mean they really have to be more carefull with giving pubble0_o wrote:
Personall I think the Quality Assurance Team (QAT) would be more accurate than Mapping Assistance.
I think that something like this needs to be put into place to eliminate the excessive pubbling...Gens wrote:
Wasn't there any kind of penalty for MATs when a pubble is popped?
If this were to happen, it should only happen when something serious is missed. Pubbles are popped for trivial reasons all the time.Derekku Chan wrote:
I think that something like this needs to be put into place to eliminate the excessive pubbling...Gens wrote:
Wasn't there any kind of penalty for MATs when a pubble is popped?
I don't know how much difference a name change would make in reality, but even if it did have some subconscious influence, being more careful is a good thing, right?Sallad4ever wrote:
If the name change to Quality Assurance Team won't that mean they really have to be more carefull with giving pubble0_o wrote:
Personall I think the Quality Assurance Team (QAT) would be more accurate than Mapping Assistance.
I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that in the introduction page for them, their purpose was to speed up and refine the process of ranking. If I'm wrong, then ignore me.awp wrote:
They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
*cough *cough
I agree with the fact that MAT shouldn't be used to get shit ranked, I really get annoyed when a BAT tells me they won't mod my map unless it's pubbled -_-, i mean, really......
I agree with the fact that MAT shouldn't be used to get shit ranked, I really get annoyed when a BAT tells me they won't mod my map unless it's pubbled -_-, i mean, really......
Shohei Ohtani
Just like 0_o said in his last post, CDFA0_o wrote:
If this were to happen, it should only happen when something serious is missed. Pubbles are popped for trivial reasons all the time.
In a way, MAT are very usefulll because they actually help mapper, I think a MAT is useless if they not doing any help to every mapper either beginner or pro, not because of the pubble
Please, tell me where you drew the conclusion "Because A, not B." Because the MAT are something, nowhere is it stated or implied that anything else isn't.Blue Dragon wrote:
So that means modders don't assist mappers?awp wrote:
They're for assisting mappers, not for speeding up the ranking of a map.
Your inability to process your own flaws in logic actually offends my brain.
SPOILER
A = MATs assist mappers
B = modders assist mappers
B = modders assist mappers
The whole idea about the MAT is that it was, from the start, a team designed to bridge the gap between the BAT and the general community.
The whole idea didn't flow because those in the MAT position are either not capable, or cannot be bothered to enforce the standards that they are expected to enforce.
In that sense, maybe these MATs should try harder or leave altogether.
Mapping is a constantly evolving thing and hence, so are the rules bounding it. We've collectively turned mapping into an art form of sorts, so let's keep it that way.
MATs will not be useless if they do what's already expected of them to do. But as of present I agree with topic title.
The whole idea didn't flow because those in the MAT position are either not capable, or cannot be bothered to enforce the standards that they are expected to enforce.
In that sense, maybe these MATs should try harder or leave altogether.
Mapping is a constantly evolving thing and hence, so are the rules bounding it. We've collectively turned mapping into an art form of sorts, so let's keep it that way.
MATs will not be useless if they do what's already expected of them to do. But as of present I agree with topic title.
You can't blame the ineffectiveness of the MAT soley on the people in it. Most of us are actually very capable of the position; several are even BAT worthy. Sure there may be a few "weak links", but honestly, the reason why the system isn't working is because of the lousiness of the current makeshift pubble system. The fact that the active MAT brutally outnumber the active BAT right now doesn't help either - our not-so-useful pubbles are piling up faster than BATs can look at them (and not all of them do).Pasonia wrote:
The whole idea didn't flow because those in the MAT position are either not capable, or cannot be bothered to enforce the standards that they are expected to enforce.