EVs and IVs were introduced in Generation III and little tweaks here and there have been throughout. The formula is always similar, but there are a lot more in-depth changes to the mechanics than you may think. And the main goal is pretty much guaranteed to be beat Elite Four, Catch 'Em All, Fuck Bitches, but there's always been little side stories in all of them. Saying each new Pokemon set is a carbon copy of the last unto Red and Blue is ignorant and silly. If you don't like the game in general or are sick of a similar formula just don't play it. If I really wanted too, I could use the same argument against the Disgaea series, which I know you like. The stories are always similar and they play the same way. I know you could go on and on about the changes that were made and the actual different story lines, but it's the same deal in pokemon. It's true in both cases each way.awp wrote:
Is this the version of Pokemon that's actually supposed to be different from Red/Blue?
That is the problem in a 1v1 match. If you focus on training just one super powerful character you're going to be way ahead of the curve level-wise and will be able to muscle your way out of most battles. It's pretty much left to status ailments to bring you down at that point.Ekaru wrote:
If you use one Pokemon then there is little variety and it's also a bit on the easy side of things. -_-;
You're joking, right? Sinnoh had the worst story out of all of them. In fact, despite the formula improvements made, Sinnoh is hands-down my least favourite region. A shit story, a team that wanted world conquest for no adequately explored reason, Cyrus was vague to the point of not giving a shit, and the mud/snow routes trump any frustrations I may have had with Hoenn's water routes. It may be Hokkaido, but movement speed should not be hampered down that much to artificially lengthen the game.Ekaru wrote:
And a better story, please. Pt had the best story yet, but it still could be improved.
Focus Sash + Endeavor + Quick Attackawp wrote:
That is the problem in a 1v1 match. If you focus on training just one super powerful character you're going to be way ahead of the curve level-wise and will be able to muscle your way out of most battles. It's pretty much left to status ailments to bring you down at that point.
Don't know why this is strikethroughed, but I agree. It had the best balance of a villanous team, legendary Pokémon, and becoming the best trainer. Unlike Gens III and IV, where the first two combined to overshadow the third, the main goal of Gold and Silver remained as getting all the badges and becoming the best trainer ever.Mogsworth wrote:
despite being tacked on to Kanto, I say Johto finally maintained its own identity this generation with its own intriguing story and probably the best mythology out of the series
My other problem with this is legendaries. What the fuck are they going to do now that they've done Time, Space, and GOD?Remember how Mew was supposed to be the ancestor of all Pokémon due to the fact that it learned absolutely everything? They could retcon Arceus or something. Or move in a more allegorical direction like they were with the Lake Trio.
Also, if anything, I'd like to see an upgrade in the enemy AI. They need to learn to anticipate switches and then you add in the AI used in the later stages of the Battle Frontier. Then maybe people will stop complaining about how easy the game is.People complain how easy Pokémon games are? They're games for children. Next they'll be complaining that Mario doesn't have enough swearing. If you want a challenge, the offshoot games (Colosseum and XD) and the Battle Frontier are there for you.
The whole 'kiddy game' thing is what's pissing me off, honestly. There's a difference between being kid-friendly and then just being downright stupidly easy, which D/P/Pt were. Besides, they need to more frequently advertise the Battle Frontier. The challenge I experienced in Colosseum/XD was minimal, too, besides for the later stages of the Colosseums.K2J wrote:
Also, if anything, I'd like to see an upgrade in the enemy AI. They need to learn to anticipate switches and then you add in the AI used in the later stages of the Battle Frontier. Then maybe people will stop complaining about how easy the game is.People complain how easy Pokémon games are? They're games for children. Next they'll be complaining that Mario doesn't have enough swearing. If you want a challenge, the offshoot games (Colosseum and XD) and the Battle Frontier are there for you.
I'm sticking with Hoenn. The whole plasticky, fake feel of the region, plus the endless sea of Tentacool and Wingull trumps any minor mobility annoyances.Mogsworth wrote:
In fact, despite the formula improvements made, Sinnoh is hands-down my least favourite region.
Obviously Cyrus was manipulating them to reach his delusional goals of restarting the universe. The rest of the team was like "for the betterment of mankind, but we have no effing clue how Cyrus is getting us there."Mogsworth wrote:
a team that wanted world conquest for no adequately explored reason
This ought to have been expanded on. For instance, more on his backstory than just what was said by that one lady from Sunyshore.Mogsworth wrote:
Cyrus was vague to the point of not giving a shit
It was improved greatly in Platinum where you can actually see which patches stop you. Platinum fixed many of the flaws of D/P, including the achingly slow battle scenes. In many ways, D/P weren't ready for release, but they had already been in development for years, and holding them back any further would have been a big mistake. Play Platinum if these annoyances are getting to you.Mogsworth wrote:
and the mud/snow routes trump any frustrations I may have had with Hoenn's water routes.
I heard this too. I'm sure they'll find many areas for improvement while leaving the core essentials intact. But if you hate Pokémon for always being the same damn thing, eg. turn-based battles, 4 moves, sprite art, stop following this now and prepare for your disappointment.awp wrote:
Actually I recall hearing someone quote one of the game's designers saying they're "re-inventing pokemon" which is why I'm actually curious.
Perhaps if Pokémon from your own OT became disobedient at around 10 levels above the threshold for traded Pokémon, and if they became more likely to disobey during trainer battles.Ekaru wrote:
You know what they really need to do?
Level scaling. I mean non-sucky level scaling. If you raise many Pokemon then the difficulty is well-balanced and fun. If you use one Pokemon then there is little variety and it's also a bit on the easy side of things. -_-;
You'd be surprised. My nephew, 7, couldn't get through Paper Mario without my help. There should always be an easy mode available for the kids, but something better for those of us with brain cells. Competitive (or at least Battle Tower quality) sets, Battle Tower AI on important trainers, an AI that actually switches, and a steeper level curve would all go a long way.Mogsworth wrote:
The whole 'kiddy game' thing is what's pissing me off, honestly. There's a difference between being kid-friendly and then just being downright stupidly easy, which D/P/Pt were.
Agreed. This sense of one-upmanship developing in the series is the real problem. Each game insists on being bigger, better, and badder than the last, which is a dead end route. You reach the top, as they have with Arceus. Now what?Mogsworth wrote:
but I'm feeling like they need to just do something else that's awesome while not one-upping MOTHERFUCKING GOD.
If you're going to make a region out of this area of Japan, the water routes would be inevitable. Not to mention the fact that Hoenn felt a lot like a real region to me, since not every city in the world has a gigantic purpose nor does every city have some sort of ridiculous out-of-place sight (I personally found the Mahogany Gym to be out of place, since it's such a rural town).MetalMario201 wrote:
I'm sticking with Hoenn. The whole plasticky, fake feel of the region, plus the endless sea of Tentacool and Wingull trumps any minor mobility annoyances.
MetalMario201 wrote:
Obviously Cyrus was manipulating them to reach his delusional goals of restarting the universe. The rest of the team was like "for the betterment of mankind, but we have no effing clue how Cyrus is getting us there."
The vagueness of it all just kept me from caring, and the lack of a genuine backstory for most Pokemon villains just gets me to stop caring about the story. Maybe if they just spent more time doing proper storytelling (Pokemon is capable of doing this, look at the Gamecube titles), then it wouldn't suck.MetalMario201 wrote:
This ought to have been expanded on. For instance, more on his backstory than just what was said by that one lady from Sunyshore.
I do play Platinum, and while the changes are nice/welcome, I must say that the snow/mud routes are still absolutely irritating. Even in Platinum I felt like they were just merely wasting our time. At least the roundabout-ness of Sinnoh was also fixed in Platinum, with you being able to defeat Fantina right away (you still have to trudge through the middle of the map more times than I would like, but it's the whole Saffron City Syndrome that's present in most Pokemon titles).MetalMario201 wrote:
It was improved greatly in Platinum where you can actually see which patches stop you. Platinum fixed many of the flaws of D/P, including the achingly slow battle scenes. In many ways, D/P weren't ready for release, but they had already been in development for years, and holding them back any further would have been a big mistake. Play Platinum if these annoyances are getting to you.
I definitely want to see multiple difficulty levels in a Pokemon title. That should help remove some of the 'kiddy game' stigma it has (since most do not check out the Battle Frontier).MetalMario201 wrote:
You'd be surprised. My nephew, 7, couldn't get through Paper Mario without my help. There should always be an easy mode available for the kids, but something better for those of us with brain cells. Competitive (or at least Battle Tower quality) sets, Battle Tower AI on important trainers, an AI that actually switches, and a steeper level curve would all go a long way.
Agreed and agreed. This is where the refining of Pokemon's mythology should take place story-wise, and the quality of the game should not be compromised to achieve the good story that we so desire. Yet again, I will mention the Gamecube titles as something the portable titles should learn from, because the game had a compelling story with fun gameplay. If they could do something like that while still maintaining the gym-badge-collection and actual-wild-Pokemon-catching traditions of old, then they've got a winner.MetalMario201 wrote:
Agreed. This sense of one-upmanship developing in the series is the real problem. Each game insists on being bigger, better, and badder than the last, which is a dead end route. You reach the top, as they have with Arceus. Now what?
If instead of trying to outdo something else, they'd focus more on making a good quality game, the series would stay fresh and be more enjoyable.
If you truly enjoy a game, those comments shouldn't get to you. Sure, it has a certain social 'stigma' most places, but I proudly play Pokemon.Pasonia wrote:
/me wants a Pokemon game that adults could enjoy without feeling the guilt of being called kiddy.
Regardless of the story though, the competitive part of pokemon will always be there and I don't see myself stopping pokemon any time soon for that reason alone.This.
Not really a flame war as much as there is a lot of TL;DR.Rolled wrote:
I have barely read any of this flame-war. Just saying that I personally did not enjoy any pokemon game after ruby, maybe. Could possibly be because I got older, could possibly be because the story is stale. Regardless of the story though, the competitive part of pokemon will always be there and I don't see myself stopping pokemon any time soon for that reason alone.
I WANTED TO JOIN TEAM ROCKET SO BADLY I MUST HAVE HIT YES AT LEAST FIVE TIMES IN A ROW BEFORE I GAVE UP I WAS SO ANGGGGRRRRYYY!K2J wrote:
Bulbapedia article, referring to a reveal on the JP website.
I'm thinking there'll be a morality system of some kind. Remember how much we wanted to join Team Rocket at the end of the Nugget Bridge in the original games? Yeah...
^ thisAlso, Pasonia wrote:
/me wants a Pokemon game that adults could enjoy without feeling the guilt of being called kiddy.
Moreso me and Mogs co-operatively flaming Gamefreak for their old habits that won't die.Rolled wrote:
I have barely read any of this flame-war.
I had a Version Ruby with the character named Ruby. Gosh I'm so original.NoHItter wrote:
I hope the names of the characters won't be Black or White....
/me looks at Red, Blue, Gold and Silver...
I don't-; I can't-; What the Hell.K2J wrote:
That's at least better than all the people who are naming themselves Ash on the Global Terminal.
I kinda do that, except some have variations and that, for the different types of Pokemon...Azure_Kyte wrote:
By the way, does anyone name their boxes 1-30, 31-60 etc. and try to catch one of every pokemon to fill them? That's kinda how I had my Ruby version and trying with Platinum. Fun fun.
fffff-YGOkid8 wrote:
eg. There are 2 different types of Shellos, so there would be 2 Shelloses instead of 1
and I had a box called Unown, just for UnownsNoHItter wrote:
Unown
Stop copying my idea >.>YGOkid8 wrote:
and I had a box called Unown, just for Unowns
Not an original idea.NoHItter wrote:
Stop copying my idea >.>YGOkid8 wrote:
and I had a box called Unown, just for Unowns
YGOkid8 wrote:
and I had a box called Unown, just for UnownsNoHItter wrote:
Unown
Oh, a Living Pokédex? Sheesh, I don't even have time to fill out the regular Pokédex (450ish / 493 at the moment).Azure_Kyte wrote:
By the way, does anyone name their boxes 1-30, 31-60 etc. and try to catch one of every pokemon to fill them? That's kinda how I had my Ruby version and trying with Platinum. Fun fun.
There's not much new info on the games so there's not much to talk about.MetalMario201 wrote:
This thread's gone sooh off-topic.
So it has a name? yeah, that. "Waste of time and box space"? they give you enough boxes to do it, and usually leave you 1 1/2 boxes left over to fill with whatever battling pokemon you want to use.K2J wrote:
Oh, a Living Pokédex
I sort by type as well. I also change the wallpaper to match the type of the box. :3Pokebis wrote:
There's not much new info on the games so there's not much to talk about.MetalMario201 wrote:
This thread's gone sooh off-topic.
And I sort by type.
That's nowhere near enough space for my battle-ready Pokemon. Then again, I do have somewhere around 7 boxes filled with fully-EV trained/beneficial nature/good IV Pokemon of varying movesets.Azure_Kyte wrote:
So it has a name? yeah, that. "Waste of time and box space"? they give you enough boxes to do it, and usually leave you 1 1/2 boxes left over to fill with whatever battling pokemon you want to use.K2J wrote:
Oh, a Living Pokédex