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Deleting SB's in beatmaps for the sake of score increasing..

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mekadon_old
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mekadon_old
A rant, actually.
Okay, I wrote this topic because I have the doubt of people deleting SB files in order to not get distracted for the sake of his/her ranking of the map.
An example of irritating SBs are this: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/5774
As you know, this song above does have cute SBs which might throw some players off.
HOWEVER, to avoid this, a certain user just deletes the SB and play it like no one cares< (Actually you can just delete all image files in that song)
This make the cheater gets a higher rank than the person who play it fair and square.
If anyone who does this most of the time, please stop it..
I'm okay with people who have low processing power since they might experience lags from SBs but not to the people who delete SB images for the sake of ranking and scores.
Besides, you can just pass or FC this song by playing continuously and practice hard even without doing that.
That is all.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
This will not be possible with osz2 anymore.

Maps with intrusive storyboards shouldn't be ranked in the first place, hence why SP is approved, not ranked.

The more you know.
Jarby
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Joined August 2008
Jarby
Bad luck if you're epileptic, right?
The_Priest_In_Yellow
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Joined September 2008
The_Priest_In_Yellow
Be careful who you're calling a cheater.

What about the novid mod ?
Or skins for that matter.
Ph0X
1,043 posts
Joined March 2009
Ph0X
I've always played SP with the SB and never really found it THAT annoying except two little part which are so easy that it's hard to get distracted.

Now, about the actual discussion, people always say "you won't be able to do that with osz2 anymore!" and all I can say to that is "well too bad for the mapper because I, for one, won't ever play that map then, and many more won't either".

So pretty much, watch our before putting annoying skins, or people will just not play your map. That is, if you even care about people playing your map.

Although, having it on the easy difficulty only would be a good compromise.
Natteke
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Joined August 2009
Natteke
Yeh, I couldn't pass "Ass up!". Deleted sb and images and fucking passed it with first try.
Black background rocks!
RemmyX25
osu! Alumni
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RemmyX25

The_Priest_In_Yellow wrote:

What about the novid mod ?
Videos actually have the ability to lag some PCs (take Eph's Bad Apple! for example)

The_Priest_In_Yellow wrote:

Or skins for that matter.
Distracting skins shouldnt be ranked either.
GladiOol
4,475 posts
Joined August 2008
GladiOol
Some SB make me lag. I have to delete it.
Am I a cheater now?
The_Priest_In_Yellow
319 posts
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The_Priest_In_Yellow

mekadon95 wrote:

I'm okay with people who have low processing power.

RemmyX25 wrote:

The_Priest_In_Yellow wrote:

What about the novid mod ?
Videos actually have the ability to lag some PCs (take Eph's Bad Apple! for example)
Truth, but that being taken out of the equation what I was implying was; this discussion is pretty pointless.

When the time comes for osz2 this won't be a problem if sufficient effort is put into notifying mappers of annoyances or resource intensive sb's. Deleting an sb is not cheating, it is playing the map in a way the mapper didn't intend to (much like the novid mod, which was why I mentioned that), that much you can argue. But it is not cheating.

I am however curious as to how the epilepsy issue will be handled, Todesengal had the brains to push for an epilepsy warning iirc. But with the future of osz2, will mappers be encouraged forced to refrain from flashyflashy 1000 flickers per second ? Or... actually I can't think of a reasonable alternative atm, so I'll leave it at that.
awp
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awp

Gladi wrote:

Some SB make me lag.
update ur osu!

after b1425 or something like that storyboards became so damn efficient that I get higher fps on an SB'd map with 10 moving objects than I get on the main menu.
Orkel
osu! Alumni
450 posts
Joined September 2008
Orkel
I delete distractive SBs. They distract me (surprise). If they aren't distracting, and fit the map, I let them stay. There's a novid mod, so there should also be a noSB mod, but as there isn't one yet, I just "use" it manually with the help of the delete key.

Osz2 will piss me off for the sole purpose of forced skins. It'll kill off personal custom skins because so many maps even now in the current osz use custom skins (which I always remove, as I want to use my skin as it was meant to be used, not the mapper's skin)

And if maps use bad custom skins or SBs in ozs2 it'll be a guaranteed 1 rating from me unless I like the song.
Cuddlebun
965 posts
Joined August 2008
Cuddlebun

JarJarJacob wrote:

Bad luck if you're epileptic, right?
yeah what if I actually need to delete the SB not because it's intrusive but because it's a medical issue and I want to actually play the map
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old
If you don't like the SB, don't play the map. And bitch at the person who included the SB.

If you don't like the skin, don't play the map. And bitch at the person who included the skin.

If you don't like the map, don't play the map. And bitch at the person who included the map in the set.

mekadon, I have no fucking clue where you get the idea that deleting a SB increases your score. Sounds like you're making up facts to support your argument that people who legally delete elements of a beatmap are "cheaters".

Oh, and if your computer sucks, good for you. Don't bitch at Valve that their games can't run on your shit computer. They won't listen to you. I understand SB's which are too intensive and causing too much lag for the map to be played on minimum-spec computers, but you have the option to not play that map, and those SB's are too rare to be a major problem ("oh osu! mappers hate me D=").

On medical problems with SB's: there's an epilepsy warning for beatmaps now (so says the changelog), which will hopefully eliminate the problem for all but the stupidest players, assuming it's translated.
GladiOol
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GladiOol

awp wrote:

Gladi wrote:

Some SB make me lag.
update ur osu!

after b1425 or something like that storyboards became so damn efficient that I get higher fps on an SB'd map with 10 moving objects than I get on the main menu.
I actually got lag on a very small SB, so it's kind of silly, since I never had lag before on SB'd maps. (Only a few~) xD
anonymous_old
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anonymous_old

Gladi wrote:

I actually got lag on a very small SB, so it's kind of silly, since I never had lag before on SB'd maps. (Only a few~) xD
What map is it? Sounds like a definite problem. (Here is probably not the best place to post ... maybe help/support, or a PM to moi.)
Cuddlebun
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Cuddlebun
yeah I know about the warning, I'm talking about deleting the files that cause the epilepsy so that I can actually play the map.
Gabi
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Gabi
by the way, is there a reason why we shouldn't be allowed to delete the images in the actuall folder`? i mean shouldn't we, the players be allowed to play a map the way we feel it is comfortable? i don't get why we are forced(considering osz2) to play with a skin we don't like or we find difficult to use. Everyone would be happy this way, and no one will get hurt lol.
Bestelle
395 posts
Joined November 2009
Bestelle
Don't know why, but after looking through here I merely thought "NoSB" and "NoBG" mods. Eh. It's no big deal for me, although I will admit some skins give me trouble. But I manage to get around the problem... sometimes.
bagnz0r
bagnz0r

mekadon95 wrote:

A rant, actually.
Okay, I wrote this topic because I have the doubt of people deleting SB files in order to not get distracted for the sake of his/her ranking of the map.
An example of irritating SBs are this: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/5774
As you know, this song above does have cute SBs which might throw some players off.
HOWEVER, to avoid this, a certain user just deletes the SB and play it like no one cares< (Actually you can just delete all image files in that song)
This make the cheater gets a higher rank than the person who play it fair and square.
If anyone who does this most of the time, please stop it..
I'm okay with people who have low processing power since they might experience lags from SBs but not to the people who delete SB images for the sake of ranking and scores.
Besides, you can just pass or FC this song by playing continuously and practice hard even without doing that.
That is all.
I'm not against it, though I'm not doing it.
Now, can I be against disabling all effects in osu?
Those are distractions as well, yet so many users have them turned off.
Doesn't that just make this thread "funny" in some way?

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Also lol @ 404 post count.
Natteke
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Joined August 2009
Natteke

Gabi wrote:

by the way, is there a reason why we shouldn't be allowed to delete the images in the actuall folder`? i mean shouldn't we, the players be allowed to play a map the way we feel it is comfortable? i don't get why we are forced(considering osz2) to play with a skin we don't like or we find difficult to use. Everyone would be happy this way, and no one will get hurt lol.
^ So true
Torran
724 posts
Joined November 2008
Torran
I think it's great to emboss your maps with SB's and custom skins and all that, but I don't want it shoved down my throat. Nor do I think anyone else does for that matter. Or I could be wrong, hm.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
rust45
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Joined May 2009
rust45
I put the images in Don't Stop Me Now in another folder so the last spinner wouldn't lag like it always did for me, but now I'm thinking of putting it back and keeping it that way, after all, it's how enjoyable it is that matters, not our score. At least that's how I think.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
I deleted the SB on DSMN even if I get 2000fps.
peppy
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peppy
Time to end this again with the standard peppy response.

Storyboards are part of a map. They are not a throwaway-if-no-likes addition; they form what is the creativity of a map. If it is a performance issue with a particular storyboard that you are using as the reasoning behind disabling/deleting them, then report it in the support forum. If not, either choose to play the map or don't.

Also keep in mind that every storyboard you delete will mean another map which needs to be redownloaded before you can play it after osz2 introduction. They will effectively be corrupt otherwise.

Yes I like to give the community a say in shaping the future of osu!. No I will not budge on this matter. No it is not "unfair" or anything else; this is how the game system works and it is how it will always work.
Wizard Of Orz
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Wizard Of Orz
then i don't understand why videos are given a choice to take off
Nakata Yuji
471 posts
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Nakata Yuji
peppy does have his reasons, and rather good ones at that. I can completely agree with his argument. However, I think the skins should at least have a toggle. If I have a custom skin, and I play a map that has only a few forced pictures, then sometimes the skin looks really weird.

I wouldn't mind storyboard off, but peppy seems to stand firm on this.
Cuddlebun
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Cuddlebun
REALLY WHERE DID YOU GET THAT IDEA FROM
Nakata Yuji
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Nakata Yuji
come again
Glass
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Glass

Natteke desu wrote:

Yeh, I couldn't pass "Ass up!". Deleted sb and images and fucking passed it with first try.
Black background rocks!
lol those ecchi backgrounds

I admit I oftenalways delete custom stuffs especially spinners like these cause they're fucking irritating cause I can barely see my cursor unless I spin at like 200 rpm
Wizard Of Orz
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Wizard Of Orz

Nakata Yuji wrote:

I agree with peppy but I disagree.
bagnz0r
bagnz0r
peppy's right. People who are doing distracting storyboards are doing this ON PURPOSE.
You are deleting it - gameplay quality goes down. You play game for fun, not really for score.
Though i'd like storyboards to have their limits in sprite size and sprite count.
awp
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awp

supergarlic wrote:

then i don't understand why videos are given a choice to take off
Videos aren't created by the user (in general. I mean, in the 1000+ maps I've seen, the video has not been original) and are not geared toward the beatmap. They're not part of the actual map, there's just something to watch during breaks.
peppy
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peppy
The video toggle is actually there from the days when osu! didn't have video support built-in. It used to require external codecs, causing problems on many systems. Then there is also the download filesize increase of videos which is usually several times larger than a large storyboard. This is the reason for a video disabling option.
bagnz0r
bagnz0r
Also i'd like to add that i'm deleting SKINS when i'm playing on taiko mode.
It's just "impossible" to play with customs.
RandomJibberish
osu! Alumni
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RandomJibberish
Totally in agreement with peppy here. An SB or Skin is a part of a map - it's like deleting all the beat patterns you don't like. I'm not really concerned with others doing it but I would never do it myself.
Centerpointless spinners should be unrankable though :/

BagnoGamer wrote:

Also i'd like to add that i'm deleting SKINS when i'm playing on taiko mode.
It's just "impossible" to play with customs.
Not that I play Taiko but I'm not sure how having different hitbursts really changes a huge amount.
NotShinta
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NotShinta
I don't consider deleting SB's cheating. Nobody's stopping you from doing it yourself.

Also, StrangeProgram lags my computer so much that I literally can't do anything else but watch a very lagging window. If I was skilled enough to play it but couldn't overcome that, well that's not that fair. Or if I was epileptic. Saying it's 'just for a higher rank' is little but stupidity.

As for a less extreme example, I always nearly fail at the spinner in DSMN due to my computer and the storyboard, which obviously was not meant to distract. I've had to delete a bit of it so this doesn't happen.

Also, due to my minor OCD, I have to delete combobursts that have something wrong with them like wrong proportions etc. that aren't brung up in modding. Yeah, I'm really against osz2.

If there was a No Storyboard mod, which I know there will never be, people should be able to choose whether their storyboard can be disabled or not. That way, it's not taking anything from the map.
peppy
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peppy

IAmNotShinta wrote:

If there was a No Storyboard mod, which I know there will never be, people should be able to choose whether their storyboard can be disabled or not. That way, it's not taking anything from the map.
As you again miss the point. The SB *is* part of the map. If it is disabled, that *is* taking away part of the map.

Locking thread because I believe no further discussion is required. PM if you don't agree and we'll argue there.
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